You ask any normie about Moby Dick and they’ll say “that’s the one where the guy is hunting a whale.” You can quote it, you say “call me Ishmael” and everyone knows that’s from Moby Dick. There are songs based on Moby Dick, even slop like Family Guy and Star Trek reference Moby Dick.The only time you’ll see Ulysses referenced is in a list of greatest novels. There’s no great Ulysses quote which everyone recognizes, and when asked why it’s so great, fans just talk about how great the things it references are (Odyssey, Hamlet, Bible, etc.)
Because it is pretentious gibberish with no coherent story.
>>25286851I guess it's the kind of thing you'd love as an English major.
>>25286851What's the impact of The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady or Late Spring on broader culture ?The average person is a retard that listens to Taylor Swift and watches capeshit.Case in point>>25286854
>>25286851>There’s no great Ulysses quote which everyone recognizes"Stately, plump..." sisters...
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>>25286851Well anon, it's not exactly easy to bring up masturbating in front of a girl on the beach to casuals.
>>25286851Moby Dick is American, so obviously Americans (including the American creators of whatever dogshit TV shows you mentioned) will be more familiar with it than some Irish book that was banned in America for several years, seems pretty fucking obvious why that is the case. Moby Dick is also infinitely easier to read and thereby much easier to quote, no matter what country you're from.
>>25286872i dont know who she is but she needs to be my dommy mommy
>>25286851This anon is partially right>>25286854>no coherent storyPlotfaggotry is a disease that overwhelmingly affects normalfags, and moby dick does have a story that you can at least reference in pop culture, be it pagemaster or fairly oddparents. You can repackage moby dick as an adventure story. Ulyasws does not benefit from that, much like madame bovary doesn't in spite of its enormous impact on literatureAlso moby dick is taught in school. Could it be that the only line people can quote from it is the very first line they'd inevitably encounter during their curriculum?
>>25286944“Plotfaggory” isn’t some arbitrary complaint. The point of storytelling itself is to communicate a coherent tale in a reasonably efficient manner. In early human times if you tried to tell a story like Dickens or Joyce around the campfire, you would be strangled and killed and thrown in the fire after the 3rd irrelevant tangent.
Reminder that Bloom isn't even Jewish and that he helps start Sinn Fein, making him one of the biggest Chuds in literature.
>>25286962Dickens? Dickens is pretty straightforward. That’s why everyone alive knows A Christmas Carol
>>25286971Great Expectations took 1000 pages to say what could have been said in one scene. Wow the homeless criminal is actually the kid’s dad. Thanks, Chuck.
>>25286962>The point of storytelling itself is to communicate a coherent tale in a reasonably efficient manner.Why and says who?
Spokane, Washington has some kind of bloomsday thing.
>>25286981Humans with finite life spans.
>>25286851of course it's not on family guy lol. there's nothing to quote. the book is the inside of a head for 700 pages. heads don't quote. methods don't quote. the entire literary novel after 1922 runs on it and you can't see what you're inside of, that's the whole bit, that's been the whole bit for a century. nobody read it. you didn't read it. i read maybe 200 pages of it and lied about the rest. it's fine.
>>25286985>I must absorb knowledge as efficiently as possible I'm going to die all art is purely utilitarian I must extract value i must consoom Miss me with that gay shit. I'll be over here rereading proust for the third time
>>25286986>im smart and i belong here
>>25286968he's half jewish or something
>>25286851Normies are capable of reading Moby Dick (though they generally don't.) They are incapable of reading Ulysses. Vanishingly fewer people have read the latter than the former, which is why it never gets quoted or recognised.
>>25286851Thinking influence in terms of normies ability to quote your material is shallow. The true art life is when your work pioneers many of the techniques used by artists, writers and creatives throughout the 20th century, but all the normies know about you is you are that le fart sniffing man.
>>25287016>Miss me with that gay shit.Why do you talk like this
>>25286981"brevity is the soul of wit."the central figure of the western canon never wrote any individual piece over 30k words.
>>25287466Nta but It’s almost as if the play and the novel are entirely different mediums or something. Theres no reason why a novel needs to limit itself to the constraints of the stage, since they’re so particular to that mode of storytelling (ie, getting all of your ideas across in a 2-3 hour performance).I wouldn’t claim that Joyce is a better writer than Shakespeare, just that he is able to bring his ideas to fruition at a much larger scale. He does thins with the novel that simply aren’t possible in drama, or even in verse.
>>25287466>"brevity is the soul of wit."This is a quote by Polonius who is a huge fool and routinely mocked for saying hollow and shallow platitudes
>>25286962Homer disagrees.
>>25287428What influence does Ulysses have? What techniques did it pioneer which didn’t exist before and were used after?
>>25286979Thinking a story could have been shorter is not the same thing as it not being straightforward. Great Expectations has a plot, it was serialized in installments and was very popular. Great Expectations is not comparable to James Joyce fartsniffing and digressions and playing with literary techniques with no story
>>25286920>akshually it's a logical fallacy to dislike UlyssesNot helping your case there
>>25287588Oh, the irony.
>>25287592Do tell!
>>25286872Taylor Swift was good through Evermore
>>25287466why do normies who clearly dont read love quoting these glorified fortune cookies lmao
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>>25287620Lmk precisely what you meant with your first reply then so there can be no misunderstanding
>>25286854my god you want to sound smart so bad lmao
>>25286851Because Joyce is so unapologetically 20th-century Irish that you have to be intimately familiar with the context of 20th-century Ireland and it's multifaceted plethora of slang, history, and culture long before you even begin to comprehend Joyce.You don't need to be familiar with ships, the ocean, or hunting whales to pick up Moby Dick and know what it's seemingly about.Basically, what I'm saying here is fuck Joyce.
>>25287707Moby Dick is filled with arcane cultural references, I remember at one point Melville referring to a whale's "Monadnock hump" which I only understood because I'm from New England
>>25287707you havent read either book so no one cares what you think
>>25287712> Typing in all lowercase letters Fuck off back to getting groomed over discord, pantywaist
>>25287564it’s literally considered the defining modernist novel. Pound, Elliot, Beckett, etc. all have talked about Joyce’s influence on them. It’s not that the techniques he used didn’t exist (William James was already talking about stream-of-consciousness a decade earlier), just that he was able to synthesise so many of them at such an impressive scale, even while maintaining narrative cohesion. The people claiming the book has no story just get lost under the sheer weight of the language but it’s there, you can plot out Bloom’s entire route through the city.
>>25287764Why are you leaving out the key part that Joyce also pioneered fart porn? That's important too, you know
>>25287718so you haven't read either, kek
Because MD is grossly overrated by american hack readers
>>25287840Everyone has already read Ulysses and Moby Dick. You are not special, unique, or even remotely interesting. Stop acting like you're enlightened because you've read the most well-known, influential books in all of literature just like everyone else.
>>25287865you have never read either and you never will. maybe anime and video games are more your speed
>>25286851It's like one of those highly produced videos of an effeminate European guy playing guitar in some crazy technical fashion that *should* blow your mind but doesn't because it's an empty exercise in pure technique totally devoid of communicable meaning. Also I haven't read it.
>>25286851because moby dick is the greatest work of literature
>>25287802Just wait until you read Johnathan Swift>As mutton cutlets, prime of meat,>Which though with art you salt and beat>As laws of cookery require,>And toast them at the clearest fire;>If from adown the hopeful chops>The fat upon a cinder drops,>To stinking smoke it turns the flame>Pois’ning the flesh from whence it came,>And up exhales a greasy stench,>For which you curse the careless wench;>So things, which must not be expressed,>When plumped into the reeking chest,>Send up an excremental smell>To taint the parts from whence they fell.>The petticoats and gown perfume,>Which waft a stink round every room.>Thus finishing his grand survey,>Disgusted Strephon stole away>Repeating in his amorous fits,>Oh! Celia, Celia, Celia shits!Scat has a long and colourful tradition that goes all the way back to Chaucer and Rabelais. Know your shitstory
