"In the prince and the discourses taken together there are 14 uses of the word form, and 51 uses of the word matter. That tells you immedistely, because 14 and 51 are multiples of 7 and 17, that this is a question of nomos and physis, of custom and nature, because the greek philosophers used 7 to indicate nomos or what was customary or legal, and 17 to indicate what is natural.For machiavelli what hes saying is that what is natural is only matter, and not forms. Forms are put there by custom or by politics or by the prince""Of course, 14 and 51 when added are 65, which is a multiple of 13, and 13 is machiavellis number, indicating this is me, this is my enterprise, this is what im doing. He is saying that my enterprise is to understand form and matter as conventional political forming of matter"Do they really believe this shit?
We do
i noticed you havent disproved him
>>25287284The numbers are already wrong, form (forma) is used 23 times across the Prince and Discourses
>>25286907Straussians are the most limp wristed weaklings in the world.
>>25286907This is a Mansfield preoccupation I don't really get. Strauss brings up numerology for about a page in Thoughts On Machiavelli, calls it speculative, and then drops it and never brings it up again. I don’t think I've seen any other Straussian use it either besides Mansfield, the rest think it’s silly or embarrassing (including big names like Zuckert and Bruell). I'm not even sure where he gets the idea that, what was it, 17 is the number of nature? According to the Greeks? Where did he get that?!
>>25286907Classical Hobbesian Realism is better than Straussians and Neocons.>>25287321So are Marxoids with their anti white racism and support of the great replacement theory in Europe
Numbers aren't real. Grow up.
>>25286907Like it or not West Coast Straussians are currently providing the intellectual under-girding of the Trump administration.Honestly not sure how connected they are to numerology because their entire enterprise is just kind of boring to me, though.
>>25287752Pretty sure Jewish messianic eschatologicalism has more to do with the trump admin rather than ant Lincolnian constitutionalism.
>>25287793Midwit take. Back to /pol/.
>>25287537You are retarded and questionably literate. Certainly unread.
>>25287796Not an argument. Name 1 West Coast Straussian in the trump admin. Even if you can find a single one in a top position the rest of them are all agents of ZOG.
>>25287752Imagine thinking this when Trump hasn't read a single book in his life.
>>25287796https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/03/us-israel-iran-war-christian-rhetoric
>>25287752I don't think so, or at least not the way they sorta were at the start of the first administration. Anton was only in until last September, Eastman's been pardoned but has no position, pretty sure the others are more baffled by what to make of our war with Iran, since they loath world policing.
>>25287752Can you name one other than Theil?
>>25287846Thiel's not even a Straussian, he's a Girardian.
>>25287816Huh. I admit I've been somewhat out of the loop lately. Has there been any other group of similar influence in the second term (including or other than the Israel lobby)?
>>25287854He's a Straussian reader of Girard
>>25287854> thiel is a giardian
>>25287926Michael Pettis was a big influence on the tariff policy last year, but an influence without any direct line to the admin (he hasn't approved of how the tariffs have been rolled out in practice). And then it's really just Thiel (obv) and Alexander Karp, but they're closer to Vance then anyone else.>>25288788I don't see it. His "Straussian Moment" essay is pretty much "Strauss is interesting, but Girard is the real deal."
>>25287537>umm actually I'M the real victim you guys
>>25287796retarded ignorant fuck
>>25288852>he fell for exoteric meaning Ngmi
>>25286907no, but I am
>>25286907Straussians are similar to originalists in constitutional theory where they insist they have some secret window into the author's thoughts but when you read their reasoning it's projection at best and tea leaves at worst. Essentially what technical analysis is to stocks or phrenology is to medicine, Struassianism is to philosophy, a completely quack dispcline.
>>25289903They're not worse than anyone else in tradition reading their precursors, and they're often better. Descartes and Bacon on Aristotle? Machiavelli on Aristotle and Plato? Diderot and Rousseau on Machiavelli? Rousseau on Plato's Republic? Lessing on Spinoza, and Jacobi on Lessing? The Neoplatonists in their commentaries? Nietzsche and Heidegger on anyone at all? Russell and Wittgenstein on anyone at all? The Straussians at least pay the high compliment of treating a text seriously, even if the writer was retarded.
>>25287846anton
>>25286907Straussian Analysis is bad but Quantitative Literary Analysis & Stylometry (which totally isn't the same thing under a thin veneer of "science") is a real and valid
>>25288846he's an anti-Girardian which is the same thing
>>25286907Not retarded; cluster A. This is runaway association, a key trait of schizoid, schizotypal, and schizophrenic disorders. Its one of the main pillars that links all three together. In the past, we used to put these people in funny hats, and let them tell stories in the tavern, or on ships, where they'd travel from village to village, and everyone would come out to greet the crazy people until they left for their next voyage. Later, we put them in asylums. Then we gave them degrees and access to accredited publishing, and now here we are.
