technolo/g/y is not bad because you can't stop progress
>b-but the kids are retarded women are whores men are incels it's over the west is collaps-
technology is not bad and each generation just adapts to their circumstances, kids today might have shorter attention spans but they are much better at multi-tasking, if each subsequent generation was truly lazier and more retarded than the previous generation then our species would have gone extinct centuries ago
one day your old ass will seethe about kids having fun in AR/VR environments and there's nothing you can do about it

>>25288382
I'm not seething about technology, I'm literally reading his manifesto I downloaded using the internet on my phone

Reminder that he wrote two more books in prison that go into deeper detail, the manifesto was just a quick overview of his thoughts on humanity intended for mass consumption.

>>25288382
I wouldnt say people are lazier but in the west there is a consciousness and awareness of thr self and their worth. Which is why we have this "oh immigrants are so hard working" because they have a culture wherr you need to work 12 hours a day for a pittance to survive. Someone that's born in the west in the 2000s isnt going to live in a house share with 20 other people and work 12 hour shifts for shit money, the society and country their ancestors built created an environment where they dont have to, its just being circumvented by "them"

>>25288386
I know, I'm addressing those who actually think that
>dude technology is le bad
luddites always lost
>>25288390
nobody except 50+yo boomers is complaining about people being lazy, their opinion is irrelevant

>>25288390
Immigrants only work hard because they aren’t familiar with local labour laws and are scared if they aren’t working their arses off they might lose their job. Once they’ve been educated in the matter they slow down and start taking advantage of their employee entitlements.

>>25288382
>le "progress" is real maymay

>>25288380
>dude today I feel like posting a giant strawman and I'll make sure to include "le bad"
>that'll make the author of the book look stupid for sure

>>25288393
>dude im a complete slave to my phone and the grid and if either goes down I am totally fucked
You are a retard. Imagine saying any of this nonsense you are when trillions are being spent on AI to literally make humanity redundent. Read Lewis Mumford.

>>25288380
If you weren't such a retard jumping to conclusions you'd figure out he was very critical of utopian thinking.

The Truth About Primitive Life: A Critique of Anarchoprimitivism by Ted Kaczynski:
>But this time it should be sufficiently clear to the reader that what the anarchoprimitivists (and many anthropologists) are up to has nothing to do with a rational search for the truth about primitive cultures. Instead, they have been developing a myth.

>6. I’ve already had occasion at several points to mention violence among nomadic hunter-gatherers. Examples of violence, including deadly violence, among hunter-gatherers are abundant.

>>25288380
>technology bad
>society bad
>anarchism bad
>communism bad
>fascism bad
>liberalism bad
>primitivism good
>but primitivists bad
>environment good
>but environmentalists bad
>therefore I need to bomb random library clerks

I think this guy was just a retarded schizo ngl

>>25288380
Looking forward to seeing all the anarcho-primitivists seething ITT, despite the fact that they've "sworn off" technology.

>>25288839
I don't lean one way or the other, but I am absolutely seething at the degenerate rhetorical methods and stale memes used by OP and many anons.
>le bad
>muh
>b- but
Hang yourselves. At least the wojak era seems to finally be over.

Tech is good but what's with all the taxes? I should be able to build my own tech utopia on my own sovereign land without some faggots showing up demanding I liquidate it to pay for immigrant welfare. Therefore blowing up librarians is virtuous.

why the industrial revolution and not the agricultural revolution?

>>25288380
>OK and what's the proposed solution?
He made it pretty clear there isnt any solution. It is a warning to stop making new technology and becoming aware that it all comes with a price we have to pay at some point.

>>25288380
>uhhhh let's all live on utopian farms that'll always be perfect forever bro
How about reading the book you're criticizing first?

>>25288382
>technolo/g/y is not bad because you can't stop progress
*laughs in peak oil*

>>25288380
wrong
his solution was to live in jail

Even shoes and oxen plows are technology.

Threads like these are always a good wake up call of how low brow and vulgar the average poster here is.

>>25289156
Political institutions are social technologies and are directly interdependent with and molded by the wider technological complex

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>>25289096
I always found this questionable as well. The agricultural revolution was the worst of both worlds, and on top of that it was bad in its own way. It didn't eliminate physical suffering, it created the tedium, boredom and lack of freedom of modern life, it was terrible for hygiene and nutrition. The population boom it created wasn't remotely impressive either.

>uses technology to distribute manifesto
>uses technology to make bombs
>uses a car
Hypocritical retard can't even follow his own "beliefs"

>>25289430
>lived in a wooden shed
>used the bare minimum amount of technology to spread his message
>did not own a car, you made that up

He was right, but there is no solution. Fatalism is the only sensible philosophical position.

I'm not cool with shitting in a bucket Ted

>>25289430
You're an illiterate subhuman who doesnt understand the several orders of magnitude of differences between primitive, basic, and personal technics vs the global industrial machine thats committing global ecocide and threatens to enslave humanity. Kill yourself, useless eater.

>>25289517
You'll get used to it

>>25289469
How do you think he DROVE the bombs you retard

>>25289537
He took the bus you complete moron.

>>25289534
No, I will just continue to use indoor plumbing.

>>25289537
Americans are incapable of even thinking about life without a car.

>>25288380
>OK and what's the proposed solution?
The solution is to gain total power over the entire globe and kill and enslave and pacify everyone who isn’t capable of taking responsibility for maintaining industrialism without using the new scale of power for evil.

>>25289517
But you're okay with polluting the entire ocean with mountains of feaces

>>25288380
It doesn't matter if there's no solution. Any self respecting person would fight to the death against his own enslavement and abuse, whether the likelihood of victory were high or not. Technology is obviously a soul destroying poison that acts slowly and erodes everything good, beautiful, and true in life. It eliminates even the possibility of conceiving a happy life, never mind actually having one. We must direct all of our bodily and spiritual energies against it, even if the fight is futile, because it is killing us. The only other alternative is suicide.

It doesn't matter. The oil will run out eventually and all this 'progress' will crash like it never even started

>>25289629
Yep.

>>25289537
Supreme bait or supreme retardation

this book works as a board's thermometer, you get always and increasingly more the same kind of prefab reply, everyone apart from the culprits knows what I'm talking about even if it's hard to put your finger on its essence, but you recognize it when you see it, a snarky dismissive comment based on a strawman of some Ted position
a while ago there was a dedicated guy who often directly quoted a refutation of those strawmen from Ted's books just to prove they don't know what they are attacking even

>>25289807
To be fair, that's every thread. Most people on here don't really read, they just come on here to jerk off intellectually in order to cope with their neuroses.

reminder that he was a fed

>>25289807
I suspect that 99% of discussion about him and the work are from people who haven't read anything

tranny that acked himself lol

>>25288380
Two things:
1. I got the feeling he was aiming towards hunter and gatherer societies, not agricultural.

2. He never claimed it would be a utopia. He actually criticized other primitive-anarchists for trying to portray it as a utopia. It was about being in an environment where you have full autonomy over your life.

>>25289430
t. Didn't read his book

>>25288382
>kids today are better at multitasking
This isn’t true

>>25288382
You're coping on the behalf of kids who don't want you to cope on their behalves. They're referring to what they're doing as brainrot and are angsty and cynical about AI.

>>25289096
>But the removal of civilization itself is a far more difficult proposition, because civilization in its pre-industrial forms does not require an elaborate and highly-organized technological structure. A pre-industrial civilization requires only a relatively simple technology, the most important element of which is agriculture.
How does one prevent people from practicing agriculture? And given that people practice agriculture, how does one prevent them from living in densely-populated communities and forming social hierarchies? It is a very difficult matter and I don’t see any way of accomplishing it.
I am not suggesting that the elimination of civilization should be abandoned as an ideal or as an eventual goal. I merely point out that no one knows of any plausible means of reaching that goal in the foreseeable future. In contrast, the elimination of the industrial system is a plausible goal for the next several decades, and, in a general way, we can see how to go about attaining it. Therefore, the goal on which we should set our sights for the present is the destruction of the industrial system. After that has been accomplished we can think about eliminating civilization
from Answer to Some Comments Made in Green Anarchist

>>25289629
It's people who don't have access to advanced technology who do that (india), in first world countries we have sewage plants

>>25288380
you didn't read it sperg

>>25288382
>you can't stop progress
You can. We stopped cloning and mirror life. The AI race would be harder to stop, to be fair. You would need robust hardware controls and mass surveillance in addition to the international treaty because of open source models.

>>25291247
Holy shit, that smart motherfucker addressed my biggest gripe. Still, I don't see why anyone would want to return to an agricultural society.

>hyper capitalism and the destruction of the soul via the industrial revolution have destroyed society
Well everyone agrees there
>therefore i will bomb this random building to prove my point
Uhhh...aren't you supposed to be an intelligent professor?

>>25292614
If he didn't, you wouldn't be discussing his manifesto right now. He already addressed this.

>>25292672
Oh I see, bombing a random building got him attention and totally solved everything

>>25292673
Obviously he wasn't going to reverse technology. He would've failed regardless. Bombing shit didn't hurt his cause.

>>25292614
It's literally stated in the manifesto that the bombing was a means to get published, not as a means to destroy the system.

Why do people keep making this meme post?

>>25292680
retard normies can't stomach the fact that this guy was much smarter than them and more relevant than they'll ever be because he found a way to gain attention that they can't access, so they feign ignorance of his motivations at any turn

>>25288380
You can't reject humanity because you are also a human being

>>25292708
And a real hero

>>25288380
>finally read this manifesto that has been hyped up for decades online
>think it will contain some incredible insights about technology
>90% of it is just defining in a very subjective way what "le left" is and getting angry at it

>>25288382
>if each subsequent generation was truly lazier and more retarded than the previous generation then our species would have gone extinct centuries ago
Not true. The retardation and laziness simply hasn't reached a point that dramatically impacts the birth/death ratio, because industrial society has propped up the birth rate being higher than the death rate.

>>25288839
people who agree with Kaczynski or at least think he has a point aren't necessarily anarcho-primitivists. see:
>>25288679
Furthermore, congratulations for posting the most midwit or lazy anti-tech criticisms.
>you hate paying taxes, and yet you still pay them using infrastructure paid by others' taxes.
>Curious.

>>25290086
>I suspect that 99% of discussion about him and the work are from people who haven't read anything
I'm not a total Randroid, but it's a similar annoying dynamic any time Objectivism is discussed.
her novels are autistic and overly long, desu

>>25288380
He was an unironic transexual.

>>25292893
*she

>>25292893
I know this is bait but it's important to note that a lot of rejected men feel this way (all the trannies that are popping up now) and are pushed and groomed into it. He had an IQ high enough to realize, after just a few days, that it was because of rejection and there was nothing wrong with himself.

Either way he had great ideas, and experiences from when he was like 16 shouldn't be held against him.

>>25292850
Read Lewish Mumford and Ellul instead, Ted was entirely down wind of them.

>suffering builds character
>therefore we should increase the ammount of suffering
This is the Jigsaw philosophy.

>>25289807
it has gotten too repetitive and /lit/ has gotten too shit for me to spend a lot of time here anymore. all i have to say is really just
>didn't read it
over and over.

>>25292701
I just don't see how how anyone could support an ideology that permits bombing people. How horrible!