Who was in the wrong here?
You for posting low-quality, off-topic bait
Stirner for thinking the individual precedes society when the individual is an emergent property of society
>>25288821You are brown and gay
>>25288821you sound like a chink. if this is true then you must believe society is organic or pre eminent.
>>25288786Stirner was wrong. His philosophy in good if practiced in moderation (much like hedonism). But ultimately it succumbs to the reality of the situation which Marx aptly pointed out.
>>25289082>which Marx aptly pointed outamazing how people believe this. faith is truly an amazing thing.
>>25289086You’re an unread retard
>>25289086>Muh faith>Muh religion>0 arguments like always. You must project your intellectual disability and dogmatic view of life onto others because you are incapable of engaging with the subject matter.
>>25289082>vague social proof with poor grammarspoken like a true marxist
>>25288786Both, they are hylics
>>25288786Stirner has not written anything, how could he be right or wrong?
the one whose ideas achieved concrete application outside of piling up in manchildren's bookcases
>>25289236So Stirner?
>>25289082>it succumbsWhy?
Stirnerfags can occasionally be funny so I'm giving them the nod.
Both, but Marx moreso.>If we just do to them what we think they're doing to us then everything will be heavenlyis obviously retarded but Marxists look past this and other obvious fables like>the state won through armed conflict and slaughter will just dissolve itself and will totally be different than every other state ever because [reasons]because they're religiously invested in their ideologies. And their minds are like mason jars they're so hopelessly guarded and impenetrable
>>25289090>>25289091there is no amount of evidence that can turn a marxist away from their faith. marx and lenin wholly reject empiricism. marxism-leninism is an interpretive lens through which people view the world. any event can be explained away through their ideology, and it totally fails to make any predictions. any failing is just reinterpreted. >just read morestop navalgazing and you might eventually come back to reality.
I've never seen a Stirner tranny say anything of value on here. They just pop into a thread and say X is a spook and nothing else. Just worthless.
>>25289070>Aristotle was a chinkYou deserve physical assault for your retardation.
>>25289544>studying the evolution of productive forces and its relations with class and society is navalgazingThis is why people hate you.
>>25289552>>studying the evolution of productive forces and its relations with class and society is navalgazingone day you might realize this very sentence bakes all the conclusions into its premise. marx leaves all his readers totally incapable of answering the question, "what if this isn't correct about X,Y, or Z?"
>>25289548Not a fan of him, but the few things Stirner has to say outside of trolling Hegelians, that is to say, his own insights on pedagogy, I find pretty worthwhile. "The purpose of teaching is not to pass on information, but to reinforce the individual nature of the pupil." is something I can agree with, as far as individualism goes. You can't teach someone who doesn't especially want to learn, so why not start by teaching them how best to be themselves? Every young person wants to learn that.
>>25289571Sounds spooked
>>25289568You are cattle and deserve the techbro boot on your neck.
So what would a Stirnerite society look like? Sounds like the Mongol Empire with marauding gangs of warlords raping everything
>>25289577did you have a fit? why would i support techbros?(rhetorical question. you're not fit to talk anymore)
>>25289574Have you played Knights of the Old Republic 2? It's written by Chris Avellone, who is considered perhaps the best video game writer of all time, and has this Obi-wan like mentor character, Kreia.Kreia is a good demonstration of what I mean. She is literally Max Stirner In Space. She believes the Force is a spook, terrorizing conscious beings with callous and ruthless destiny which only pretends to be meaningful, and wants you to make your own decisions, whether you're going to be a Jedi or a Sith. A very funny character, just like Max himself was very funny, but she does leave the impression of having had something to say to most players, despite them being the ones to make most of the statements in their conversations.
>>25289568Good smearing your boogers across your keyboard just to type out something that meant literally nothing.
>>25289577Least dogmatic Marxist
>>25289577Marxists say shit like this and then gain power and introduce "the people's techbros"
>>25288821>when the individual is an emergent property of societySo why was Marx a lazy bum while most of his peers, from his society, worked?
>>25289586You're telling on yourself.Answer this: do you know what a hypothesis test it?
>>25289614Dr. Prager power
>>25289614He was an ethical egoist deep down. Why work when other wagies can do that for you?
>>25289544>marx and lenin wholly reject empiricism. Not quite, Marx and Lenin changed their theories when communism failed. Marx became less humanists after the revolutions of 1849 failed, and Lenin abandoned communism quickly after the revolution because war communism was a failure.Marxists reject empiricism because they've never read either.
>>25288786God please grant me the power to throw all Marxists in one of those giant industrial shredders.
>>25289628True, he even used the death of Engel's girlfriend to beg for rent money and to cloth and feed his children because he refused to work and pay bills.Society forced him to have kids, cheat on his wife, smoke a lot, not work and not take care of his own responsibilities.
>>25289633Keep sucking that Orange Penis and one day your wish may be granted
>>25289614>>25289641Where did this bizarre myth about Marx not working come from? Was it a specific youtube video or something? Never saw it before the last couple months and now it's everywhereIn reality he was infamous for his insane work schedule
>>25289649>Bizarre mythIt's such a bizarre myth that Marx had to regularly beg people for money and pawn off his belongings. You fucking retard.
>>25289649writing leaflets that no one buys is not "work"
>>25289659It's a reoccurring thing, but most modern communist parties are built the same way. They're often just ponzi schemes and scams that profit off membership dues and giving out leaflets no one buysThey're all over universitiesA lot of commies are usually college kids who got groomed by them and wise up when they get older
>>25289649The invented biographical anecdotes are even stranger, there was a thread the other day where someone was claiming Marx wrote the 1844 Manuscripts in response to his father cutting him off for skipping school... Marx's father died in 1838 and he finished his doctorate in 1841
>>25289157The only correct answer itt
>>25289157thats cute kid but adults are talking here
"The portable Marx?" That's what I've been trying to achieve for decades. -- EngelsIt's a joke about Marx's abscesses.
