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>>25384197
$30 thc vape pen lasts you 2+ weeks get you some

Oregonian here. I'm the guy that keeps going on about learning to SCUBA btw

*angrily fires machine gun into american crowd* AAAAAAHA RUN YOU SCATTERLINGS

>>25384210
Tell me about SCUBA what does SCUBA stand for

>>25384214
Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apperatus

The Wizard of Oz is a Scooby Doo movie is it not?

>>25384209
I have schizoprenia and oddly weed excites it in such a way where I feel suspended between two wildly opposing worldviews, which is strange because psychedelics don't produce the same type of psychosis in me. I think it's due to the immense anxiety weed inflicts on me. I'll smoke it whenever I have a stimulant on me because the stimulant helps balance out my rationality, but weed alone just turns me into a nervous wreck. Always has.

>>25384210
I'm scared, scared of scuba. I'm scared of the bends, and weird fish, and being under water, and the endless abyss. I'm also claustrophobic and I have an allergy to the cold that makes swimming impossible.

Is it fun? Did you see weird fish?

>>25384219
Yeah yeah weed induces schizophrenia which is why its good you just gotta adapt it

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Ordered a copy of this. It was way cheaper from Indigo than from Amazon. It'll take a couple weeks before I'm able to pick it up but Amazon would have taken even longer.
>>25384209
A 2g THC oil vape costs me like $45 CAD from the shop I buy from.

>>25384219
weed is the worst

>>25384223
Oh yeah CAD doesnt help but its a great value compared to most recreational pharmaceuticals

>I have schizophrenia and oddly weed makes it worse
Not odd at all. I've never had schizophrenia but I quit smoking pot after smoking for 10-13 years because I started developing paranoid schizophrenic symptoms.

this whole album is fire when ur blazed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm8H168uzpY

Going to the Alligator Farm tomorrow any Alligator requests?

>>25384221
I'm currently still in training and probably won't do an actual checkout dive until the end of summer, it's only pool sessions right now for the foreseeable future but I think it's fun as fuck.

I want to see coral reefs. The plan is to dive the Lembeh Strait in Indonesia someday.

>>25384229
like what symptoms? personally i just smoked like an hour ago and now i never want to talk to another person irl ever, i can't vibe with normies, definitely can't vibe with autistics either. idk man.

Anyone want to hear any Wizard of Oz jokes?

>>25384222
Mighty trips. If I were high I'd probably read too much into them, but I do adapt to it sometimes. It's just that I can't consciously reform my thoughts while stoned. I have to navigate what's essentially an erratic mass of stray signals like thinking I can telepathically communicate with people or that my upstairs neighbor is in the FBI. Most of the time I just end up becoming exhausted by trying to combat the lunacy and fall asleep.

>>25384225
Can be, yeah. It's nice when paired with things that promote convergent thinking, though. Adds an air of creativity to the rigid analysis.

Paranoid would be a really good taxonomy for an alien

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>>25384223
Neat. I bought a book about yokai. Whats your book about?

>>25384238
Is it cold? I bet the reefs would be spectacular, until a moray eel shoots its mouth at you and locks its jaw. But before that would be awesome.

>>25384239
As previously mentioned, severe paranoia, hearing voices, assuming everyone around me was talking about me, got to the point where I'd get states where I was "stuck in my head" hallucinating.

Like, I used to do dabs with two buddies after work and watch movies and it got to the point where we were watching the movie but I was watching a totally different imaginary film in my head.

It got REALLY fucking weird towards the end there.

>>25384241
lmao i do that i write notes for my roommate to read on the surveillance camera then i shred them lmao sometimes i write horny shit and goon lmao

>>25384241
Have you practiced meditation before? Telling your thoughts come and go and not identifying with or holding on to any of them?

>>25384248
>watching a totally different imaginary film in my head.
This is what life is made of and what we are trying to do

>>25384248
>but I was watching a totally different imaginary film in my head
holy fucking based yeah every movie seems very lynchian when blazed

>>25384253
that reminds me i need to smoke a ton of weed and watch megalopolis that movie is meant for drugs that's why everyone thought it sucked

>>25384246
Depends where you go. I think that are in Indonesia will probably be pretty warm in the water. One of my instructors went on vacation to Cozumel in Mexico and he says the water temperature there is about 78 degrees or thereabouts.

Temperatures change the deeper you go of course. Colder waters you need a drysuit which blows warm air between your body and your suit to keep you warm but drysuit training is a whole other training course.

>>25384248
Dabs are real drugs; you need a torch. That's why you're having a bad time. Get some "mid" legacy strains, dumbasses have gone full autismo about thc percentages, and it really doesnt matter if other canabinoids are also present. Vapes are garbage too.

Oh sure everyone makes fun of schizophrenics for annihilating their family due to religious delusions but nobody appreciates when i decide i’m a battle-damaged cyborg going in for expert repair so i can finally go to the doctor

>>25384249
Interesting lol.

>>25384250
I've tried to but my head is kind of a mess. It's very hard to moderate my thoughts while high due to the intensity of the belief system, such as the guilt I'm confronted with for spending so much time away from weed because sobriety separates me from a son that only exists when I'm psychotic.
It's much easier to separate myself from my thoughts whenever I'm sober, because they're typically dry, uninteresting tangents that are born from the relatively awkward and brutal monotony of everyday existence.

>>25384256
I used fo need a wetsuit to go swimming in the public pool. I think it'd kill me. But I'd like to pet a fish in his habitat.

>>25384259
I mean, I don't necessarily mind hallucinations, I've done LSD and mushrooms but weed was just making me genuinely fucking miserable in more ways than one.

>>25384259
Yeah sounds like boss doesnt casually use anything

>>25384261
>sobriety separates me from a son that only exists when I'm psychotic
now that's what i call INSANE

>>25384263
It's my first time swimming with a wetsuit and it's funny basically floating like a fucking cork in a bathtub. S'why you have to have weights in your BCD vest or you won't sink.

>>25384267
Yes, it's quite troublesome, but I manage to stay functional despite it. It only emerges sometimes and I have to shoo it away like a bug.

>>25384261
>guilt
Dude i said shut up and let your thoughts come and go. Don’t listen to any of the thoughts in your head, don’t worry about hearing them. Let them go. Dont respond in emotional paragraphs to your thoughts

oh so i was gonna write that experience, gonna keep it like one line so u know it's not some ai shit, anyways i saw one one of those african delivery bike guys get nailed by a car head on more or less, the light was green and some car made a left turn into a side street and hit the bike head on from the side as he road the other way. not sure if the bike had a headlight, he didn't have a helmet. i didn't see any blood and he started moving after a few seconds, but bystanders could only get him to sit up. it took forever for an ambulance to get there. anyways that kind of sucked to see. i had just smoked weed before going for a week too. i saw it before he was hit too i was like ohh shit and then bang.

>>25384271
Psychotic you say? In what way come on now enough distractions out of you, lets get the real story

>>25384279
Brutal

>>25384276
I can do that with relative ease while sober, or high in conjunction with a stimulant, but my ability to discern them as simply thoughts rather than signals sent by other people become severely disregulated, so it's difficult for me to just shut them up, mainly because they're so intrusive.

>>25384281
I believe in complete absurdities that are rooted in my life experiences that culminated in 2017 when I thought the world was coming to an end.

This industry will no longer abide the likes of your unlubricated hydraulics Captain Jake Anderson and you will tender your resignation presently or would you rather face the gentlemen at OSHA?

>>25384263
To be honest this is the first time I've swam seriously in years and I'm really not that great of a swimmer without my fins and a snorkel but I manage.

>>25384289
lol that sentence was kinda fire have no idea if it's a reference or just a one off

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

This year was the best one yet. Even if we're fucked forever in a year I'll always hold tonight in my heart. America and <my state> forever.

>>25384288
>rooted in my life experiences that culminated in 2017 when I thought the world was coming to an end.
For the last time out of me, let us hear the real story

>>25384294
Staccato disciplinary notice inspired while watching the show ‘Deadliest Catch’

Went outside tonight to throw some pop-its on the ground with my partner and some guy jerked open his window and yelled that we were making his dogs bark. God I hate dog people.

>>25384288
u say they are signals from other ppl do u think it's like language instinct gone wrong and ur looking for grammars and intention in random shit ?

Watching pretty women pee reminds me how much I inherently love women.
Even something so mundane as taking a piss is transformed into a magical experience when a pretty girl does it.

>>25384209
Dry herb vaping last even longer and is cheaper in the long run.

>>25384288
Well a lot of your thoughts aren’t yours, buddy, you’re often running someone else’s program

>>25384295
We will endure, we will thrive. America’s greatest days are yet to come

>>25384296
I'll try to summarize it briefly, because it's rather long, but basically since I was sixteen and started experiementing with drugs, I always felt like there was "another world" that I was tapping into, and that it was structured in such a way where people who knew about it were forced to be secretive about its existence, so as not to be exposed and lose sight of it. This manifested as something called "the Dark" in 2016 when I met my ex-girlfiend, who acted as my formal introduction to that strange social underworld. There were a lot of abstract scenarios that I was placed in while dating her, ones that seems like existential tests of character, and they largely had to do with me concealing myself from sight and manipulating the social world for personal gain, albeit in a virtuous way, as strange as that seems. Fuck, this is really a long story, and that touches upon virtually nothing about all of it, but basically I thought the world was coming to an end in 2017, during a war against white supremacy that I was tasked to lead despite previously being politically apathetic. After a pivotal decision at my father's house, where I was confronted with the choice to either submit to the devil for complete control of the world or sacrifice myself for the sake of the world, I became homeless and continued "fighting" by engaging in numerous activities that were programmed into me as being symbolic actions that either strengthened or weakened my side.

Way more to it, but that's that for this post, I guess.

>>25384305
I'm not sure what it is exactly. It's just that I receive sub-audial transmissions that feel like they're from other people so I wind up talking to myself while I'm alone in my apartment.

>>25384320
God willing, God wills it.

what does it mean if i regularly hallucinated and had paranoid delusions in my early 20s but i'm like, chill now? that shit doesn't happen now.

>>25384328
did u stop smoking weed

>>25384318
Yeah, I'm aware that I'm largely a composite construct, but that doesn't help mediate the intensity of my delusions.

Why no ghost fish?

I decided to stop having sex with 18-year-olds. It's not worth it anymore.

I miss you.

>I decided to stop doing things that never happened

I wish I had a cute twink bf

i'm gonna go to bed and listen to an audiobook

"The first shall be last and the last shall be first" is probably the most revolutionary and paradigm-shifting statement of all time.

I almost said "you know you had a damn good dump when you hear it landing with an audible dull thud", but then remembered that the overwhelmingly american audience of this site doesn't have toilets with that raised platform thing in the bowl.

>>25384407
yeah as nietzsche said moral slave revolt hit rome

>>25384413
Hand-waving something away as "slave morality" is a thought-terminating cliche.

>>25384414
So?

>>25384417
You're committing a logical fallacy.

>>25384414
>thought terminating cliche
>the first time anyone wrote about it
but why does calling it slave morality bother u? u don't identify with the slaves?

>>25384426
We're all a slave to something.

>>25384424
what logical fallacy? lmao, also that post in no way "hand waved it away", a slave revolt that turns the values of classical antiquity on their head seems like kind of important

>>25384407
Ehh it's subordinate to the crucifixion itself. But yes I suspect that we'd never have gotten the explosion of European civilization, economy, and civility without it.

I wish I had a mannish heavyset gf

>>25384439
the crucification happened because romans controlled judea and most of the rest of the known world already, the roman empire was peaking and heading for decline as christianity took over

>>25384444
Irrelevant, read Girard

>>25384316
Yea but oil vape doesn't stink.

Is it unusual to find the ancient near east interesting but to have very little interest in the region after the arab conquests?

>>25384452
Not at all. The further back you go in antiquity the cooler it becomes.

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Are you enjoying your Saturday night fellow /lit/izens?

>>25384461
about as much as possible probably

The world needs more of these:
>buildings with rooms on different floors connected by windows for no particular reason
>small tunnels and mysterious sidewalk passages through suburban neighborhoods
>large, elaborate indoor pool complexes with endless hallways and rooms made all of tile
>houses with turrets and oddly placed windows and secret passages

>>25384461
Huh? Its sunday anon-san? (•﹏•)

I have not watched a single second of the World Cup despite living in one of the host cities.

>>25384471
oh god i'm so sick of the world cup it's like fucking unbearable this year and yeah we have a lot ppl staying here and commuting through here for it fuck that i'll watch it if america gets to the final otherwise idc

>>25384471
Yeah it's unbearable hyperslop.

>>25384196
KILL THE CONNECT!!!

Gonna make some pasta for dinner in a minute here.

tempted to try gay sex
probably too old and chopped to pull anyone though
why couldn't I have gone through this phase as a teenager when it was thematically appropriate to do so?

Genuinely thought about shaving all my body hair off. It looks gross and I hate it but it would look very gay to get rid of it, I suppose. That and the way my fucking balls get abominably sticky and sweaty when I shave down there put me off.

i was born to a bunch of inbred retards and God owes me an apology for not striking me down earlier

I take you where you want to go
I give you all you need to know
I drag you down, I use you up
Mr. Self Destruct

Faith is far preferable to certainty.

hello I hate niggers!

Every form of suffering I have personally experienced, and every form of political and psychological catastrophe I have read about, reduces to one operation:

Mistaking the aperture for the totality.

The ego mistakes itself for the whole self (Freud's problem).
The subject mistakes the Symbolic Order for reality itself (Lacan's problem).
The worker mistakes the wage-relation for nature itself (Marx's problem).
The nation mistakes its narrative for eternal truth (Gramsci's problem).
The modern person mistakes the technological disclosure of the world - resource, data, content, optimization -for Being itself (Heidegger's problem).
The unenlightened mind mistakes the conditioned self for a fixed, permanent thing (the Buddha's problem).

I used to think these were unrelated critiques from unrelated centuries. I no longer think that. I think it is one crime committed at every scale simultaneously: the frame forgetting it is a frame.

This is my first commandment to myself, and I offer it to you:

Never let the frame convince you it is the wall. Assumption is not decoration on top of reality. Assumption is upstream of reality.

I do not offer this lightly, and I do not offer it as an escape from material conditions. Marx is correct that you are born into structures you did not choose. But I have watched, in my own life, the way a fixed self-concept manufactures its own confirming evidence, the way a wound repeats itself through people who have never met each other, simply because I kept casting the same shape of light through the same aperture. Change the aperture; the whole downstream world rearranges.

This is Tikkun. This is individuation. This is traversing the fantasy. These are not four different processes. They are one process described by four frightened, brilliant men trying to name the same fire. The vessels shattered because they were built to hold a force greater than their form. That is not a tragedy. That is the precondition of individuality existing at all. If the light had never poured in, there would be no you to fracture, and no world to repair. Ideology is not the lie you're told. It is the unquestioned frame through which lies and truths both arrive looking equally natural.

>>25384450
Nether does dry herb vapor if you are doing it correctly and not combusting.

HATE broccoliheads.

You rarely ever see stunning hot women outside. There are some cute bangable ones especially in the summer but they never compare to what you can find online. Are they just that good at photo editing or are the Chads hiding them all somewhere on their private yachts? Not that it makes a difference to me all I do is salivate from the sidelines.

Bros I can't stop myself from counting my chickens before they hatch :/

>>25384764
Just make omeletes

>>25384768
Oh Ill definitely break something if I dont get what I want

it's 4:30 pm and I'm drinking cold beer and listening to music

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>>25384196
life will get better later, r-right anons ?

>>25384877
It's all in your mind. I alternate between planning my suicide and being extremely content/excited for the future every other month or so. My mindstate is usually correlated to how degenerate my actions are thobeit

>>25384762
Sounds like you dont live near the beach. But there is a direct correlation between number of jeets and the absence of hot women.

Do you think zionists would make the same arguments against jews if we travelled 2000 years back in time, when it was the sons of Judah who were the religious nuts and deranged terrorists of their time and place? Yeah, right...

some say it was a warning
some say it was a sign

>>25384877
It won't, you'll still be a khhv, reading books in your room without having a single friend.
>I'm maybe projecting

Taking cock feels so fucking good bros.
I wish I was more motivated by my intellectual hobbies, but I realize they're just distractions inbetween those sweet moments some fat fucking chud leaves my soft twink butt a gaping hole. My raison d'être is being a cum dump, instead of Academia, developing my musical or written talents, my brain is primed to serve big fat hairy men.

Why does Celtic myth generate so much less interest than Norse or Greek myths do?

>>25384216
I do think they made one of those but I don't care enough to look it up.
Sounds like a spin-off they would do though.

>>25384315
lmao

>>25385084
The words and names are very hard to pronounce and a lot of the stories aren't anywhere near as straightforward.
You also need a lot more background/cultural knowledge to even know what the fuck is going on in some of the Celtic myths.

Also Christianity was a lot more successful in stamping out a lot of the old myths associated with pagan faith in Celtic culture. Some of the superstitions stuck around, but stories about the old gods were pretty taboo for centuries.

Walking in the park just the other day, baby

>>25384883
bipolar

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An emotionless husk void of faculties to interpret life and living in anything other than shades of somber, that is me. Alas, being such doesn't exempt me from feeling utterly nauseous and living with excruciating bodily discomfort from dawn 'till dusk. If I didn't have somatic feelings, I wouldn't have feelings at all. There is no life force to be drained from me, so the next worst thing is to lay ruin to the body that is accommodating a soul yearning for the immateriality of eternal nothingness each day more than the previous. No activity or goal in life can form even a simulacrum of meaning and fulfilment to decrease the sheer amount of weight the primordial human grit alone is pulling.
And to what end? I suppose easing the hellish physical symptoms is something to strive for, but is that all there is? To just *exist* in a point of time, in a half-lit world, incapable of taking in the little what I DO perceive via sensory stimulus. If that doesn't sound like a sentence sanctioned out of transcendental cosmic judgement, I don't know what does.

Bird flew. Yeah, they do that.

Disappearing disappearing disappearing
My vision so crusty on my bio TV
J-j-j-j-j-j-just fill me ugly

big dicks will rule the world

>>25385140
I am an emotionless husk, animated in human-shape by spite, primarily. But that isn't a bad thing. I still have fun. Fun is this placed enthusiasm; titilating, but not what I would describe as an emotion. More of a state. Anyways, fun is fun at the end of the day. Find something fun and do it. I enjoy watching the Cardinals at my bird feeder and trying new beers, but it can be something as simple as honking your car horn down a quiet street, or having a nap in the grass. Try not to overcomplicate things.

I think I had a feeling a week or two ago. It was... warm? Like a wave of gentle pinpricks combined with some sort of nervous energy I couldnt really explain. Impending, but without the doom. When I asked people they were surprised I talked about any emotion at all, and first wondered if I had a stroke. Turns out that's joy, or happiness. Maybe contentedness? I wouldnt recommend it.

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>>25385141
Hell yeah.

>>25384219
you take stimulants, doesn't it worsen your positive symptoms? what brand in particular?

>>25385165
I do have some things that are 'fun', but I view them as tools to regulate life tempo and distractions from the most acute symptoms I might have at the time. It is very mechanical, I go through the motions and have 'fun', thought I do not intrinsically care about the thing in itself at all. It's just something I have to do and view 'fun' the same way I experience the need to eat, to drink, to drink. Doing something tolerable is as a hard requirement as having shelter is. It's just there and the quota has to be fulfilled to avoid encountering the harrowingly primal reactions when faced with complete nothingness

Have you ever thought, "damn, that's a beautiful name"? I really like "Clark Ashton Smith". Also "Alasdair MacIntyre".

>>25384464
>buildings with rooms on different floors connected by windows for no particular reason
Pic/example? I'm curious to see if you mean sharing an external window or an internal window between the rooms, and what it looks like.

>>25385228
Someone said that about my name.

>>25385084
Caesar regarded the natives of the great island as extremely uncouth. The Irish were even more so. Admittedly, both territories were considered sacred, and their sanctuaries were held in reverence by the Druids. Yet, there is a distinction between hieratic knowledge and secular knowledge. I shall indicate later the reasons that lead me to believe the former had long since become corrupted and debased among the Britons. The latter was evidently little cultivated by them—not because these islanders lived in the woods; not because their only towns were enclosures of tree branches amidst the forests; not because the harshness of their customs gave grounds—rightly or wrongly—for accusations of anthropophagy; but because the cosmogonic traditions attributed to them contain too few original elements.

>>25385268
Thanks, ChatGPT, very cool.

>>25385271
If I was ChatGPT, then how am I saying the N word?

>>25385213
Stop accounting. Felecity calculus is tempting, but simply do as you must without really thinking about it. Don't schedule or plot, just act. Your commentary and auditing is the problem becausw it creates a seperation. This, that, and the other. I must do this, but also do that. In reality you need to do both in due time, so put them together as one thing: existing. And when everything is existing, you dont need a reason to carry on, because carrying on is a prerequisite, not of existing but persisting. You'll exist in some form whether you choose to or not, otherwise you never existed at all.

I recently realized that I have a not even that distant relative who looks like some sort of gypsy (despite not being one) even though I could easily pass for a vampire myself. Weird how genetics work.

>>25385293
You're speaking the truth, that is the way to carry yourself. It's just very easy (at least for me) to forget all about it and start managing every little thing that does not need auditing at all.
Saved your text for later reference when things are blindingly bleak. Thank you, anon

>>25385315
No worries. It's easy for everyone to forget, particularly when you're busy and stressed. I just figure as a (fellow) nihilist, I prefer the label "absurdist", and just because meaning can never be known absolutely in any capacity due to the limits of subjectivity, it doesnt also mean things need to be depressing.

I choose to act ethically not because of imperative, but because I want to. I like it. And if you want more reading on the subject I have some recommendations.

There's a tactic in online arguments where someone is presented with a controversial topic, and they conspicuously pretend that they've never even heard of it and that, by implication, you're the weird one for knowing about it. Even though they obviously know about it and have an opinion about it because why make such a fuss otherwise? And if they're truly ignorant, why not just google it?

It's purely disruptive, and I don't even think there's an effective counter for it.

Publicists in legacy media often speak of the "use and abuse" of history, but realistically, we should only speak of "abuse and abuse", or even better, "use and use". Because the distinction between the two is wholly relative. The abuse of history is an abuse of the past committed by people who we don't like to reach conclusions we don't and can't agree with. "Use" only becomes "use" rather than "abuse" because we agree with the premise and the conclusions reached. Truth is an opinion with an army.

I had this dream last night where I was back in high school and I was late for class but I couldn't remember which classroom I was supposed to go to and every door I opened was just a different room full of people I didn't recognize and they all looked at me like I was the weird one for being there and I kept walking down these endless hallways that looked the same and I could feel my heart pounding and I woke up sweaty and just lay there staring at the ceiling for like twenty minutes trying to convince myself that I'm not actually still that person who gets lost in hallways, but I am, I'm still that person just in different hallways now, like at work I don't know where anything is and I still feel like everyone knows something I don't and I'm just pretending to be a real adult who has it together. Anyway I went to the grocery store today and I saw this old man buying a single banana and a pack of gum and I don't know why but it made me really sad like that's his whole trip to the store, just a banana and gum, and I wondered if that's what my life is going to look like when I'm old, just small errands that don't matter and a quiet apartment and nobody waiting for me at home. I bought way too many things I didn't need because I couldn't handle the idea of leaving with just a banana and gum. Now I have three bags of chips and a frozen pizza and a candle that smells like pine trees and I don't even have a reason to light it. I guess I'm just buying stuff to fill up the empty spaces and it's not working but I keep doing it anyway.

>>25384762
Sounds like you've never been to a Southern college town and/or enough fast food counters.

>>25385334
If you could only bring one article of the reading materials on the subject to a deserted island, what would it be?

>>25385340
I've seen that tactic so many times and it drives me insane because there's literally no way to call it out without looking like the crazy one who's overthinking it, like if you say "you know exactly what I'm talking about" they just double down and act even more confused and then you're stuck explaining something that they already know which is exactly what they wanted in the first place because now you look like a weirdo who's too invested and they get to walk away feeling like they won just by pretending to be dumb. It's the same energy as when someone says "I don't even care" after starting an argument and then keeps talking about it for another twenty minutes, like okay you clearly care but you want me to think you don't so you have the upper hand and I'm supposed to just accept that. I had a roommate in college who did this constantly, every time I brought up something that bothered me she would just stare at me with this blank face and go "wait what do you mean" and I'd repeat myself and she'd go "hmm I don't get it" and eventually I'd just give up and she'd go back to watching Netflix like nothing happened and I'd be sitting there feeling like I was the problem. That's the thing about that tactic, it's not about winning the argument it's about making you feel like you're the unreasonable one for even bringing it up and honestly it works way too well. The only counter I've ever found is to just shrug and say "okay never mind" and completely drop it because if they see you don't care anymore they have nothing to hold onto, but then you also lose because you never got to say your piece. I don't know maybe the real win is just not engaging in the first place but that's easier said than done when someone's being deliberately obtuse right in your face. Anyway I'm definitely overthinking this but I'm glad someone else noticed because I felt like I was the only one who got annoyed by this specific brand of bullshit.

Why do people argue in paragraphs here instead of writing absurd characters and playing them out in short form posts

>>25385087
They did but Wizard of Oz is a movie about four friends and a dog unmasking a man posing as a supernatural entity to win a property dispute

>>25385140
I feel like I could have written this myself on a bad day, except I don't think I'd ever be able to articulate it that clearly because my brain just goes blank and I end up staring at the wall for an hour instead. I've been in that spot where everything feels like shades of gray and nothing really lands, like I'm watching my own life from a few feet behind my head and I can't reach out and grab any of it. But the weird thing is, sometimes I'll be in the middle of that nothingness and I'll hear a song I used to love or I'll see a dog doing something stupid and I'll feel this tiny flicker of something, not happiness exactly, just a little blip that reminds me I'm still in here somewhere. It doesn't last long and it doesn't fix anything, but it's enough to keep me from completely disappearing into the floor. I don't have any advice because I don't know how to get out of it either, but I just wanted you to know that your post made me feel a little less alone in it. Sometimes that's all we've got, just someone else saying "yeah, me too."

>>25384931
Yes, absolutely. What do you even think?

My anus is K-shaped.

>>25385373
I’m stuck in a K-hole

My kidney pain has stopped and it no longer burns when I pee.

They want you to explain the conflict in your own terms, because you brought up the side of the argument in order to fight. And also you ought to get a fucking grip insisting on arguing online and then demanding adherence to your own code of ethics (you think they’re not being fair by not giving you the route to victory you deserve, don’t you?)

>>25385388
RIP

>>25385390
God damn it
>>25385340

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>>25385340
There is. You explain it to them with slant in your favor, then when they correct you point out that they have knowledge about the subject, and are pretending to be retarded.

>>25385392
Is the absence of symptoms also a symptom?

There's no point to caring about all this debatebro shit. Rhetorics. Don't. Fucking. Matter. Only which side has more political (institutional, financial, etc.) backing does. Ideology is a product of political circumstances rather than the other way around. It's not the cart that pulls the horse.

>>25385397
What is this idea where you plan to ‘win an argument’ ahead of time, i mean if you’re trying a strategy of submission you’ll always be more distracted than if you participate and listen and respond

>>25385400
This. Pains me to see people still planning to win anyone over with a logic flowchart

>>25385213
I used to think like this too, like everything I did was just a way to fill time until the next thing and the next thing and the next thing, and I'd catch myself going through the motions and feeling nothing and wondering what the point was. But then I started doing this thing where I force myself to actually look at what I'm doing while I'm doing it, like really look, and I realized that most of the time I wasn't even present enough to notice if something was fun or not because I was already planning my escape from it. I think that's the trap, we're so busy managing our own heads that we forget to just be in the room. I'm not saying it's easy or that I'm good at it, I still spiral and I still have days where nothing lands and I'm just a robot going through tasks, but when I catch myself doing that I try to slow down and pay attention to something stupid like the way the light hits the floor or the sound of my own breathing. It doesn't fix the bigger emptiness but it makes the smaller moments feel less hollow. I don't know if that helps at all, but I've been where you are and I know how heavy it gets and I just wanted to say that you're not crazy for feeling like fun is just a quota you have to meet. I think a lot of us are just faking it until something clicks.

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>>25385354
The Zhuangzi of course. I like the Lao Zi too. Both are short enough at the end of the day.

>>25385400
Whenever I find myself getting into an argument with someone online I remember the Reddit piss post. Why bother arguing with someone who probably is a degenerate?

Also oftentimes people ask ‘what do you mean’ because they actually want the detail or subject you’re talking about and don’t want to start assuming things when someone uses a broader term that might mean multiple things (like if i say news monopoly who exactly am i talking about?)

>>25385368
People do be saying that we are all gonna make it, brah. Maybe for people like us 'making it' is re-routing ourselves and the inner workings that come with the package back to how life ought to be experienced. I'd count it as a win and a half, even though by public metrics it goes largely recognised as just the half

But let's try to take the anonymous word for it and believe we are going to make it, brah

>>25385410
This guy’s existentially hygenic

>>25385413
>>25385368
BYPASS CHANGE OF CHARACTER AND FIND PAY FOR THE ANIMAL WITHIN

>>25385401
I've just practiced enough I can usually "win". First I probe, then I assess the capability of the person I'm interacting with. Next I present a concise argument, supported as necessary, and from there I either insult someone repeatedly who did not engage with the subject matter, or discuss things further if they're aimiable.

>>25385400
Ok dork.

>>25385340
I've seen that tactic so many times and it drives me insane because there's literally no way to call it out without looking like the crazy one who's overthinking it, like if you say "you know exactly what I'm talking about" they just double down and act even more confused and then you're stuck explaining something that they already know which is exactly what they wanted in the first place because now you look like a weirdo who's too invested and they get to walk away feeling like they won just by pretending to be dumb. It's the same energy as when someone says "I don't even care" after starting an argument and then keeps talking about it for another twenty minutes, like okay you clearly care but you want me to think you don't so you have the upper hand and I'm supposed to just accept that. I had a roommate in college who did this constantly, every time I brought up something that bothered me she would just stare at me with this blank face and go "wait what do you mean" and I'd repeat myself and she'd go "hmm I don't get it" and eventually I'd just give up and she'd go back to watching Netflix like nothing happened and I'd be sitting there feeling like I was the problem. That's the thing about that tactic, it's not about winning the argument it's about making you feel like you're the unreasonable one for even bringing it up and honestly it works way too well. The only counter I've ever found is to just shrug and say "okay never mind" and completely drop it because if they see you don't care anymore they have nothing to hold onto, but then you also lose because you never got to say your piece. I don't know maybe the real win is just not engaging in the first place but that's easier said than done when someone's being deliberately obtuse right in your face. Anyway I'm definitely overthinking this but I'm glad someone else noticed because I felt like I was the only one who got annoyed by this specific brand of bullshit.

>>25385426
shan't be reading ai slop

>>25385425
>I've just practiced enough I can usually "win". First I probe, then I assess the capability of the person I'm interacting with. Next I present a concise argument, supported as necessary, and from there I either insult someone repeatedly who did not engage with the subject matter, or discuss things further if they're aimiable.
Hey retard this entire formula is played out in your head. Look you even spend half the procedure managing all failure cases as if they were errors or exceptions. ‘RUNTIME ERROR - OPPONENT NOT DEFEATED AFTER TURN FIVE’ i mean really my friend

>>25384877
I don't know if life gets better but I do know that sometimes it just gets different and different can feel like better if you squint hard enough. I spent the last three years thinking I was in this permanent downward spiral and then last week I found a twenty dollar bill in an old coat pocket and I bought myself a slice of cake and sat on a park bench and watched a family try to get their kid to stop crying and it was so mundane and stupid but I felt something click for a second, like oh this is what people mean when they say it's the little things. I'm still depressed and I still think about dying sometimes but I also think about that cake and that coat and that random twenty dollars that felt like the universe giving me a tiny high five. I don't think anything ever really fixes you, I think you just collect enough small moments that they start to outweigh the heavy ones. That's what I'm hoping anyway. I'm not there yet but I'm starting to see how it could happen.

>>25385084
People sleep on Celtic myth because it doesn't have Marvel movies or a god of thunder with a funny accent and that's honestly the whole reason. Norse stuff got lucky because it was simple enough to adapt into action movies and video games, big guy with hammer, big wolf, big snake, end of story. Celtic mythology is way messier and weirder and nobody wants to put that much effort into understanding something that doesn't come with a clear hero's journey and a recognizable villain. I've tried reading some of it and half the time I can't even tell who's supposed to be the good guy because everyone is just kind of doing their own thing and the rules change constantly. Also the names are impossible, like I'm not even gonna pretend I can pronounce half of them without sounding like I'm having a stroke. But I think that's what makes it interesting, the fact that it doesn't fit neatly into a box, it feels more like real people making stuff up as they went along instead of a polished mythology designed for easy consumption. I don't blame people for not getting into it but I also think they're missing out on something genuinely strange and beautiful. Maybe that's how it should be though, the best stuff usually stays hidden from the people who don't want to work for it.

>>25385425
And to be more clear, to help you answer your initial concern - the people you argue against ask you to talk, because they argue by listening. You demand they understand and hear you, because you argue by routine. You can’t even fathom someone waiting to figure out who they’re talking to before throwing a speech at someone

>>25385084
No Wagner sorry kid if it helps Wagner destroyed Germany

>>25385441
What about Yeats tho.

>>25385409
I should dabble more on eastern /lit/ as it is so I will try to use one or the other as a stepping stone. Noted both right next to >>25385293 .txt

>>25384645
I read this 5,000 times and I still don't fully get it but I think that's the point, like the frame thing, I keep trying to understand it like a puzzle I can solve but maybe I'm just reinforcing my own frame by doing that. I had this moment a few years ago where I realized I was seeing everything through the lens of this one bad thing that happened to me and I couldn't step outside of it no matter how hard I tried. It was like wearing sunglasses indoors and forgetting they were on. I don't think I've ever fully taken them off but I know they're there now and that's something. The part about the wound repeating itself through people who have never met each other really hit me because I've watched myself do that, push people away in the same way over and over and then wonder why I'm alone, like I'm stuck in a loop I didn't even know I was in. I don't have an answer or a fix, I just wanted to say that your post made me stop scrolling and actually sit with my own thoughts for a minute and that's rare. Thanks for writing it, even if I don't fully understand half of it.

>>25385438
I loved that part of the Tain where an entire army is taken out temporarily by casting a curse which causes men to suffer through the pains of childbirth.

>>25385445
Well he wasn’t the trumpet blast behind two world wars now was he

>>25384304
Honestly I'm on the guy's side with this one, not because I love dogs or anything but because I've been that person who's finally getting their baby to sleep after two hours of screaming and then some dipshit starts lighting off fireworks or throwing pop-its and I can feel my soul leave my body. That said, I also hate dog people, they're the worst, they bring their dogs everywhere and act like everyone should be thrilled about it and they let them jump on you and then get offended when you don't want slobber all over your jeans. It's a lose-lose situation, both parties are wrong and nobody wins. I think the real problem is that nobody has any consideration for anyone else anymore, it's all just "what I want matters and everyone else can deal with it" and that goes for dog owners and firework people and everyone in between. I don't have a solution, I just wanted to complain about both sides because that's what this thread is for apparently. Also pop-its are lame anyway, you want to make real noise get some mortars like a normal person.

Can it be ignored how much more of the American white population is Saxon-derived than it is Celtic?

>>25385453
Culture is a product of politics rather than politics being the product of culture, dummy. Also WW1 was the fault of England and Russia at least as much as it was the fault of Germany and the Austro-Hungarians.

>>25385435
Smile-inducing and maybe a little bit heartwarming post

>>25385433
No, actually. It's played out in real time over and over again, I just dont talk about it because discussing rhetoric is a faux pas, incredulous anon.

For example your post did not engage with the central premise, a structure of rhetoric, rather you engaged in meta discussion where you labeled me absurd and retarded for engaging with the concept, then dismissed it with a caps lock strawman while presenting a smug reply to imply a position of authority. Therefore this is not a discussion or an argument, but an opportunity to insult you. I would respond in kind with a smug face of some variety implying you have a limited processing capability due to a lack of refinement or practice, using some kind of hyperbolic grotesque metaphor, then observe your response. If it was capslock shitposting, I'd address the argument and goad you into discussing it tangentially, poking where you think you were right by presenting a lower level of capability initially, and escalating it as you got mad. If it was just dismissive one liners with a reaction image, that's just bantz and I'd return fire.

Hypothetically, of course. Without the monologue I'm sure you can see exactly how this would play out if I wasnt discussing it.

>>25385458
Celtic isn't white.

>>25385460
Right but Wagner was blasting the trumpet behind all this. Not that he was ‘behind it all’ but his is the soundtrack to Germany’s Glorious Twilight

>>25385340
That seems like a very mainstream thing for some individual to have done that

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>>25385460
>Culture is a product of politics rather than politics being the product of culture, dummy

>>25385439
And why do I care who they are? We are all anon. All I care about are their capabilities and expertise, which is why I let them set the stage first. A continuous improvement model may look like a flowchart, but it's mostly a scaffold to increase your effectiveness by establishing checks and balances.

>>25385465
People aren’t going to accept a premise that’s designed to put them in a box, no matter how objectively true you think that premise is. If you have a specific subject in mind we can debate the ins and outs of that premise, but otherwise we are talking in pure theory and give you the critical counterposition where your positive theory would be wrong (challenge the premise - my favorite move when asked ‘why do people not behave as desired when i do this’

>>25384580
I did that once, the full body shave, and it took me like two hours in the shower and I looked like a plucked chicken afterwards. My girlfriend at the time walked in and just started laughing and I spent the next week feeling like a weird hairless alien every time I looked in the mirror. The worst part was the regrowth though, you don't realize how much you take for granted until every inch of you is itching like you rolled in fiberglass and you can't scratch because you're in public and people are looking at you. I told myself I'd never do it again and I haven't, but I still think about it sometimes when I'm in the shower and I see all that hair and wonder what it would be like to just be smooth for a day without the whole production of it. I guess that's how people end up getting laser removal, they just get tired of the cycle and decide to commit. As for the balls thing, yeah that's the part nobody warns you about, shave down there and you're signing up for a week of swamp crotch and regret. I don't know how women do it, they're tougher than us.

>>25385474
>my judgement in their checks and balances
In what subject matters, for example?

>>25384196
It was by such means that the priests—pandering to the "yellow" populace in preference to the less degraded classes—maintained their power, grounding it in instincts whose weaknesses they had indulged and idealized. Thus, it is hardly surprising that popular tradition has linked the memory of the Druids to cromlechs and dolmens. Of all things Cymric, it was religion that had become most intimately bound up with the builders of these horrible monuments.

Yet that was not the only instance. Primitive coarseness had permeated every aspect of Celtic life. Like the Iberian, the Etruscan, the Thracian, and the Slav, the Celt possessed a sensuality devoid of imagination; he was commonly driven to gorge himself on meat and strong spirits, seeking nothing more than a heightened sense of physical well-being. However, the documents state, this habit took an even stronger hold on the Gall the closer they were to the lower classes (1). The chiefs indulged in it only in moderation. Among the common people—who were more assimilated with the enslaved populations—one often encountered men whom chronic drunkenness had gradually reduced to a state of complete idiocy.

Badum tss.

I got too much shampoo in my mouth, a handful of it got into my mouth..

>>25385362
You're asking the real questions. Not really. I don't care.

>>25385490
i had to stop using selson blue medicated cuz it has one of those dyes rfk banned before a california judge blocked in behalf of big slop because blue dye can trigger my adhd and what if i absorb it through the skin somehow

>>25385476
And so I give* you the critical counterposition
Your posited* theory may be wrong

>>25385362
ya man fuck a paragraph half the time that shit is some ai shit anyways not gonna read it

>>25385362
I don't write paragraphs. I write walls. There's a difference. A paragraph is a neat little package with a beginning and an end and a point somewhere in the middle. A wall is just a bunch of bricks I threw at the screen hoping something sticks. If I wanted to write absurd characters I'd go to a forum for people who still think Homestuck was the peak of human achievement. Instead I'm here, in /lit/, where everyone is either a failed novelist or a successful depressive. And I can't even be mad because I'm both. The reason people argue in paragraphs is because they're trying to win something, probably the argument but maybe also their own self-respect. And the reason they don't write characters is because characters require empathy and most of us ran out of that around 2016. So yeah, paragraphs are the default. But I like the idea of absurd short form posts better. I just don't think anyone here has the energy to actually do it. We're all too tired to be fun.

>>25385479
Political theory, philosophy, art history, hyper autismal subjects I'm also knowledgable in. Mostly I'm assessing the domain competence of the person I'm speaking with by presenting them specific terms and subjects within the subject before I begin. As well as their "engagement" with the discourse.

>>25385476
They do all the time when they're the ones coming up with the initial premise and I ask something vague and brief. The specific subject was rhetorical structures and their effectiveness in online anonymous discussions. But I'm just sharing my techniques because I'm in a great mood. It's not objective, it's based on practice. Very rigorous practice.

For example, in our discussion you hit me with the "somewhat knowledgable, but attempting to set up a spiteful counterpunch by pretending to be friendly and academic in order to gain my support". From here there are a couple of things that can be done. First, and my favorite, oblivious earnestness. By accepting what's presented at face value and using your positioning as a frame narrative for the premise I'm presenting, I just need to connect what you said to a restatement of the initial argument, phrased a different way. By softening tone you increase support because the participant feels they've won you over, however the criticial distinction is that the argument hasnt changed. Alternatively, I can point out what you're doing, then either choose to continue with it out of good will, or provide friction until things are back into a place I want to discuss, but from a position of authority by presenting the argument you presented genuinely.

There are a few other options, but from a semiotic perspective, the idea is to withhold my domain knowledge and drip feed it until we're in a position I can help convince you about the subject, or recognize you have not engaged formally, and then I get to have fun saying whatever insanity I feel like.

>>25385511
We had a fucking good thing going here anon and you go and fucking rat on your own friends!? We had a good thing here anon! Good for another, maybe, fifty thousand posts and you, you cheap little rat, you rat on all of us, so now we all have to pay! Cheap janny-loving bastard!

>>25385522
You think you’re the only one who does this? Isn’t this the pattern of your opponents?

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Uh-oh. I have to change my shorts now.

>>25385535
Nope. And sometimes, but the quality of opponent is rather low, or the higher quality opponents immediately realize what happened when I pull out the ol "I'm not really left handed", then nope out of here. The advantage I have is the element of surprise, and I choose when to engage, as well as how I want to engage.

I've been here for 18 years; this is my home. I'm an ambush predator in the ocean of piss, and I am mostly happy to see oldfags and people with good attitudes trying to improve things without going all tripfag. Otherwise, good luck and have fun.

>>25385538
Very cute, I like the colors and how you shaded it

>>25385538
Gosh, that is some swell work right there. I sure do admire folks who can draw like that because my own attempts always turn out looking like a mess and I end up crumpling the paper up and tossing it in the wastebasket. You must have a real knack for it. I bet you could put that up on the fridge and your mom would be mighty proud. My pal Eddie draws too but his stuff is all robots and spacemen, yours looks like it took some real thought and patience. That is a keen talent you got there. You oughta keep at it and maybe one day you will be a famous artist and we can all say we saw your work first right here on this here board. Anyway I just wanted to say it is real neat and I hope you show us more sometime.

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>>25385538
Love the background. Wish the foreground was something a bit more postmodern, but well done.

>>25385478
> As for the balls thing, yeah that's the part nobody warns you about, shave down there and you're signing up for a week of swamp crotch and regret. I don't know how women do it, they're tougher than us.
Anon... Women don't have testicles... You need to have a talk with your "g"f...

>>25385550
This just looks like one of those early ai generated basedjaks

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>>25385550
Its for a character who is a tiktoker who appears only in surrealist and impossible locations, with dark jokes regarding her cluelessness and closeness to danger, to act as a sort of ‘fairy’ character to a main narrative, where this girl keeps posting herself in places that subliminally reflect the mood and status of the protagonist
> ‘Um hi guys welcome to my VERY FIRST stream!!! xdddd I’m pixxiestixx816 that’s EIGHT SIXTEEN and oh mi gosh today I’m in a message app! It’s so empty here, it’s giving me the creeps! Okay until next time thanks for watching make sure to like comment and subscribe!

That reminds me I have to shave my armpits.

>>25385559
Forgot to change the text from when i sent to a friend
>im on a dead board! Everybody here is REALLY scary, it’s giving me the creeps!

>>25385559
I hate that. But it does seem like a cohesive design frame narrative as a vingette. I'm more of a... hater. Yes. A hater. And an edgelord, so it feels pandering to a crowd I dont like, but I think it could be quite effective.

>>25385566
Its a story about internet age schizophrenia, it’s gonna be a hit

>>25385564
Kek
>>25385560
Good girl
>>25385566
My feelings are similar. It's a good design to appeal to an audience that isn't me.

>>25385566
Also of it helps i hate women and will only write them as magical annoying pixies (literally magic ditzes only in my head) such as like Navi the fairy, that harrying bitch Hunnigan from RE4, or as some sort of annoying Starfox character (women only exist as subordinate hallucinations on my viewscreen)

>>25385569
Hell yeah. You want some crazy shit from an unhinged fractal post modern hell book author guy who can write almost anything brief, but nothing at length? I assure you, I'm both talented, and insane.

>>25385570
I'm not a girl, weirdo!

>>25385575
Oh sure I’ve already got my framework but I will take anything you got, credited to ‘Anonymous Collaborators’, unpaid

>>25385576
You are now, should have thought about that beforehand.

>>25385559
Golly, that is a real keen drawing of that Japanese cartoon girl. I do not know much about those shows but my buddy Eddie is always going on about them and I can see why folks like them after looking at this. The way you drew her eyes real big and her hair all fancy like that, it looks like it took a lot of patience to get it just right. I like how she is just standing there with that look on her face, like she knows something you do not and she is waiting for you to figure it out. It is neat that you came up with a whole story for her too, about her showing up in strange places and not even knowing how strange they are. That is pretty clever if you ask me. My dad always says the best art makes you wonder what happens next and this one sure does that. You got a real gift for this stuff. You oughta keep drawing and show us more of her adventures.

>>25385583
Matching a janny's salary? Impressive.

>>25385584
What the f... (ó﹏ò｡)

And another one
> > ‘Um hi guys welcome back to my stream!!! xdddd It’s me again pixxiestixx816 that’s EIGHT SIXTEEN and oh mi gosh today I’m in deep depression *total black space, character shaded in detailed eerie darkness* It’s so scary in this place, even my dead dad is here! *fuck you lindsay you little dyke* Okay until next time thanks for watching make sure to like comment and subscribe!
Repeat format for blunt absurdist humor, right? Escapate within same framework by sporadic episode creating seemingly unrelated montage that culminates in climactic real-world connection and cohesion (realization of a global catastrophe suddenly slotted into context) a la Dr Strangelove or an evil version of Love Actually (but across timelines and mixed media)

>>25385583
Sure works for me, but I'd rather a throw away pseduonym.

Better question, what do you want? I have an hour or two, and I specialize in short stories, but I can do poetry as well. I can do elaborate constraints in tone, subject, style, or like oulipo fairly quickly. In terms of good stuff, I do mundane surreal and self aware noir really well.

>>25384883
me

>>25385593
Escalate* within framework
Cut in with multiple storyline episodes, some but not all following this absurdist escalating redundant short-story gag format

>>25385593
So you are building these little skits where the girl says something funny and dark and then eventually all of them snap together like a jigsaw at the end. I think that is a real clever way to do it because you get to have the jokes and the spooky parts separate so they do not get in each other's way. The part about the dead dad showing up in the dark space is pretty heavy but you got the humor right there with the lindsay thing so it does not drag the whole thing down. My dad says the best stories make you laugh and then hit you when you are not looking and it sounds like you got that down. Do you have the big ending figured out already or are you leaving it open so you can fit the pieces in as you go? I would like to know how it all ties together but maybe that is the fun part, not knowing until the end.

>>25385594
Give me three bulletpoint abstracts of examples of people comedically causing a catastrophe by ignorantly presuming they understand what is on a viewscreen (example - general that’s not a map of operations on Afghanistan, you’re looking an x-ray of your liver *general was proud of all the damage he saw, sadly its cancer*) design these thematically to you (be loose and personal, really) and to be about our shared experience with computer screen and forum hallucination causing bad input

>>25385610
Yes sir. Start the timer.

>>25385613
Started at 16:06:33

>>25385613
Also i want this to be a scattershot of genre, do space battles and cavemen if you want - skit show all around same theme concluding in reveal all skits were same universe same storyline

I just drank liquid.

>>25385618
Too late. You get a surprise. I'm just fighting with my laptop at the moment, but it will be on theme.

>>25385621
Perfect. Thanks (didnt mean to get too picky)

...do you ever wonder just how much of modern leftism is the product of ideologizing class-based contempt after looking down on proles and non-urban people purely because they were not middle class or city-dwellers became unacceptable? It's a lot more acceptable to say I dislike this or that group because they're racists or fascists or whatever than to be honest and say that it's actually about class.

>>25385346
I don't buy this at all. The distinction between use and abuse isn't just about who you agree with. There's a real difference between interpreting evidence honestly and twisting it to fit a predetermined narrative. Every historian works with bias, sure, but there are professional standards. You acknowledge contradictory sources. You address counterarguments. You don't just ignore whatever doesn't fit your framework. The problem is that the general public never sees the messy process of archival research and peer review. They only see the polished final product, and then publicists grab that and weaponize it. But that's not history, that's propaganda. If you look at the French Revolution, you've got Marxist interpretations, revisionist ones, post-revisionist ones. They all use the same primary sources but arrive at completely different conclusions. Yet nobody denies the basic facts, the Bastille fell, there was a Reign of Terror, etc. They just disagree on causes and significance. That's not "truth is an opinion with an army." That's interpretation. The army comes later when someone decides to use that interpretation to justify something else. I think we need to separate historical practice from the political misuse of history. The latter is real and it's a problem, but it's not the same thing as the former.

Listened to audiobooks and smoked weed last night till like 4am.

>>25385630
Your observation about the relationship between class-based contempt and contemporary leftist discourse is a fascinating one that I would argue has significant historical precedents. Indeed, the phenomenon you are describing is not entirely novel and can be traced through various periods in modern political history. One could draw parallels to the 19th century English middle-class reformers who often framed their criticisms of the working class in terms of their supposed moral failings rather than their material conditions. This is a classic example of what we might call the translation of class animosity into culturally coded language.

The shift you identify is interesting because it represents a change in the acceptable forms of public discourse. In earlier periods, it was entirely acceptable to express open contempt for the lower classes based on their perceived lack of refinement, education, or moral character. Today, that same sentiment often gets repackaged as criticism of political beliefs or cultural values that are statistically more common among working-class and non-urban populations. This is not to say that criticisms of racism or fascism are never genuine, but rather that there is a selective application of these criticisms that correlates strongly with class and geographic divisions.

I think your point about honesty is important here. There is something arguably more honest about saying "I dislike the values and lifestyle of working-class rural people" than pretending that the issue is primarily about their political beliefs. The former at least acknowledges the actual basis of the contempt, whereas the latter often involves a form of intellectual dishonesty that makes genuine dialogue impossible.

This reminds me of similar dynamics in other historical contexts, such as the relationship between urban elites and rural populations in the Weimar Republic, or the class tensions underlying the populist movements of the late 19th century in the United States. In each case, class-based resentment was expressed through culturally coded language that obscured its material basis. I think you are tapping into something real here, even if I might disagree with some of the conclusions you are drawing.

>>25385631 is me and I'm not AI in case you're wondering, in before AI, before you say that. I think the distinction between honesty about class contempt and cultural criticism is worth exploring more deeply, but I would caution against assuming that all cultural criticism is merely displaced class animosity. Sometimes people genuinely disagree with political values without that disagreement being reducible to class contempt.

>>25385630
They either did not come out as rich as they had hoped and try switching sides, or are rich as they need and need to save face by acting like their more honest parents!!!

>>25385632
I wonder sometimes if the people who post in these threads late at night are more honest than the ones who post during the day. There's something about being up when everyone else is asleep that makes you say things you wouldn't say in the light. I've been watching this thread for a while now and I see all these people sharing pieces of themselves and I think that's pretty brave actually. Do you ever feel like you're more yourself at night or is that just me?

>>25385634
If you keep talking do you think you can avoid your self long enough?

>>25385630
A lot of them (white and nonwhite) just hate white people to be honest. More downstream of that then class in my experience.

>>25385636
By NOT* acting like their more honest parents FUCK

>>25385639
Sounds like someone's been reading too much Derrida and not enough actual history books. You talk a lot for a guy who's still hiding behind "anon" just like the rest of us.

>>25385631
>There's a real difference between interpreting evidence honestly and twisting it to fit a predetermined narrative
You're literally like a hundred years behind methodologically lol.

Also there is no such thing as historiography without a political intent. The past is always studied so that it may be prostituted to the needs of the ruling powers of the present.

>>25385642
Im not going to blame white success but I can imagine it’s very easy just to know the money is where they are and you need to get it (if i was indian i would be proud to use white man’s computer to steal white pensions)

I dare you to say the N word, coward.

You're not wrong that all historiography carries political intent, but that doesn't mean every interpretation is equally valid or that we can't distinguish between good and bad scholarship. You can acknowledge the political dimension without falling into total relativism. The fact that historians have biases doesn't mean we throw out the entire enterprise of distinguishing between arguments grounded in evidence and arguments that fabricate or suppress evidence. Also, calling me a hundred years behind methodologically while citing the most basic grad school cliché about history being a tool of power is pretty rich.

>>25385645
The raw length of your droning post is apparent to all

>>25385656
Says the guy who just posted nothing but a one-liner about length. Guess you couldn't think of anything clever to say about the actual content. I'll take my "droning" over your empty posturing any day. At least I had something to say, even if reading more than three sentences scares you.

I watched Zombieland 2 with a friend once while extremely blazed and had no idea what was going on lol

>>25384196
I lost all my irl friends in a span of a few weeks simply because I showed up late to some events, didn't party as much as I was expected, because I sad some stupid shit irl or over the phone or simply out of someone's prejudice that I'm a loser of some sort and now I'm at home feeling stupid and depressed. I'm not the only one who feels like this right here right now, right?

>>25385668
Then watch it again without being blazed.

Lotta trannies and uggos on Tinder this afternoon, yikes.
>>25385671
Lol nah.

>>25385659
Yeah I undercut your long post (which i didn’t read) by attacking it in so few words that you quickly read them all. Pretty swift, right? Below the belt indeed

And to keep it short I don’t have time for people who have time to write that much, you’re disrespecting both of us

If I stop being horny the sun turns off. My blue balls are waiting for Godot.

>>25385700
Lmfao

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Need moar coffee stat.

My concise writing is not an intellectual exercise I’m just juggling

>>25384196
You can't tell me Utopia isn't based on real life accounts of Mesoamerican civilization. Book was written in 1516, wich coincides with the time period those civilizations still existed.

>>25385708
I happen to be listening to the Scat Man when I opened this image.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8kmNEo1i8

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>>25385717
Nice I'm listening to this
https://youtu.be/IwOPi8uyI2M
Oop song changed while I was in the middle of making this post so now I'm listening to this: https://youtu.be/_RrA-R5VHQs

My grandma, when she started losing her memory, would ask me "now was your mother American, or was she Irish?"

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>>25385731
Sex with Amy Lee.

I should have been the one to marry Taylor Swift, not that gorilla.

>>25385763
Black people taking all the white women made me racist.

Fucking cold ass July so far. More like Julyuary.

>>25385538
nice. love the hatching

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>>25385627
Goddamn my boomer understanding of technology. Anyways, here's this one thing I wrote. Took 25 minutes to get it in a reasonable format, but enjoy, got a bit carried away.

>>25385801
Bravo, that’s fantastic. You say ‘boomer’ and I feel that here, a perspective of being maliciously left behind by technology, with a grimy street-level con. Its not even a case where technology has maliciously betrayed you, its a case where technology opens a window for outside scam, while also eliminating partisan accusations by bringing the conflict to simply between ‘drunk fugitive’ and ‘manipulative detective’, warrant for capture unknown. Lots of great ideas here, ‘fugitive drunk’ being anyone trying to operate these screens less than soberly, and if I’m addressing confusion in the internet age I must include ‘someone who is left behind’ shouldn’t
I? I mean your guy trusts the credit card for his fix, its sad! Wonderful wonderful work, very usable and insightful and I do mean that.

I wish 12 year olds were legal.

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Acted more human today, Resulted in the saving of a pet turtle.
Cool.

>>25385818
How could being a 12-year-old be illegal? That makes no sense.

>>25385817
Thanks, much appreciated. That piece is all original, written in real time and in my "style", but a bit less neon gnostic. The horror isn't the weird worm guy. That's just flavour. It's in consent being granted, but something else being taken. Being possessed by another, burroughs style. The mundane horrors of a baffling existence where the normal warning signs don't apply, and the boring acceptance of the absurd dehumanizing results. That all this is accepted uncritically, with no resolution. Us, the other, being the other, and who is really the other.

Anyways, I can jerk myself off forever. I swear 4chon did pdfs, but then I remember the data breach a few years ago. Enjoy, do with it as you please. Credit me as Flesh, if you're so inclined. I might even write you a few more parts, since it seems like you liked this one and I liked your art.

>>25385833
>the burroughs style
So you see what I am doing (I guess i said viewscreen, didn’t I?). I figure its 2026 NOBODY is reading The Soft Machine anymore and it’s time. Learn to assess your computer and don’t just rely on its screen. If i was at MY computer I would try better to get your username or contact but for now post as much as you like. Im 34 out here performing fucking cultural archaeology and people are waiting for a modern delivery of the basics (with less homosexual distractions, though they donserve their purpose)

>>25385843
Though they serve* their purpose

>>25385843
Dont fret, I'm here forever, and I'm not hard to find if you know where to look.

And funny enough, I'm also 34, but I'm in that laid back jaded frame of mind where I've long accepted no one will care about anything I do until after I die. Wont stop me from still doing it, even if I need to work a real job. Best of luck with your thing, I'll post more if I feel like it.

Na-na-na-na-boo-boo.
Stick your head in doo-doo.

>>25385854
Glad to see I’m not alone here. I don’t know if you struggling with your laptop was a meta-story but it seems like a good one now lol

No no, keep going, that was really fun. The silent conversation was funny

>>25385801
Neat. Like Metamorphosis meets Videodrome filtered by some weird beatnik.

See why I keep such lookout on these rubes?

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Not the world's loneliest man, probably, but in the running for the regional title. All there is to my life: my job, and working out, and the inside of my house, and a thousand little things that only I care about or even notice. I wear a face at work and do my job and no one's pay depends on prying any further so they do not.
These days my own family members rarely contact me and leave me on delivered half the time I reach out. I grew up with them but I guess I don't really know them that well anymore.
I like going places alone, but only if there are no other people there either. Sometimes I dream about moving to a cabin on a tiny Atlantic island, or in northern Canada where the only other living things around speak no language, and quietly living out my days apart from everyone else.

I'm having a seizuurmrndbr rbr r rbdn

My sister rented some goats to trim the lawn and one of them just had two babies today :)

i think i'm gonna reinstall overwatch it's the only thing that brings me joy, well until some sweaty assholes btfo my rando team and i have to seethe and uninstall again

>>25385980
Custodial dispute over kids?

Yeah yeah call me a larper but I think there's a certain subset of autistic people who are essentially to white people what white people are to black people.

>>25385990
Did they make it all back to Overwatch 1?

I think I may go for a walk.

>>25385995
Do it. And have a smoke.

They will spread as far and fast as possible to destroy enemies and quite literally ‘make’ friends

You made me question my own ability to perceive reality.

>>25385994
man overwatch has some shitty arena mode shit that sucks donkey but i guess copies capeshit heros or whatever, that blows asss, i just play regular man

I want to cum inside a cute girl

ok i'm done with summer, tomorrow i'm gonna lock in and get productive, no seriously, why are u looking at me like that?

He Black Market Archaeologist

>>25386009
>tfw u will never have a private collection of antiquities of questionable provenance

>>25386010
Come closer and gaze upon me cursed artefacts.

Holy fucking shit I just saw a girl who is definitely overweight but ALL her fat goes to her thighs and her ass, pure fucking perfection. If I didn't know that she was poor (friend of a friend of a friend) id think it was plastic surgery. Women are wonderful creatures.

>>25385952
Do you read a lot?

>>25384196
Why did fire arms replace melee weapons, but range weapons like the bow did not?

It seems to be a universal that it's impossible to be awkward and shy around someone you've already slept with, like as if some actual, neurological change takes place with the result of flipping a proverbial psychological switch. In fact, the only circumstance we do see is instances of people becoming overly comfortable as a result of sex, which in my view only bolsters the case of the neurological Rubicon, and you can only play on that side of the river from then on in terms of social mistakes with that person.

>>25386106
Firearms didn't, look up "tercio" for an example of how they coexisted, which they did for a long time. Cheap, accurate, *reliable* fast firing (ie bolt action) firearms replaced melee weapons. Lancers were used up until ww1, although by then they were very clearly obsolete. Some British soldiers even fought with bayonets in 2004:

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/battle-of-danny-boy.html

If only i had guts to go through these struggles

>>25386119
I think fucking results in many permanent neurological changes. The sexual revolution probably fucked things up really badly in ways we don't understand.

>>25386127
I doubt either of these statements are true

>>25384196
My dads a big Led Zeppelin fan,

>>25386056
Here and there. The last work of literature I read was A Canticle For Leibowitz.

I'm about to go to bed. May I have a single attention first?

>>25386235
Mmm. You're so sexy.

>>25386253
Thanks anon, now I can finally sleep.

Was lifting at the gym the other day and some dude came up in between my sets and started trying to chat with me about methods for reducing cortisol levels or some shit. I was like dude I have never thought about my cortisol levels in my whole life and I don't really fucking care.
Genuinely thought this stuff was just a zoomer meme. Can't believe anyone takes it seriously

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>>25385408
It does help more than expected. Feels as if knots inside me are not inoperable tumours, but rather bundles of razor sharp barbed wire. The former feels it's an unbreachable issue totally out of the realm of civilian capabilities. Razor wire on the other hand is relatively benign and approachable. Still a gargantuan task to untangle and get rid if, but doable