sword of the morning editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>25394349
Rhaegar was gay for JonCon
>>25420001is this true
>>25420001i can't believe i stuck up for him, i feel like i've been stabbed in the heart
You want compromise? How's this? 15 years on 4chan. I wanted the Winds of Winter. I compromised. I watched 8 seasons of Game of Thrones. I wanted to see Stannis and Roose Bolton battle in the ice. But I compromised. I watched House of the Dragon on streaming sites. You see where I'm going?
Lemoncakes? Ovah here!
Jon is Ned and Ashara's son. He had to pretend they never got married later on, so that he would be able to marry Cat and secure the badly needed Tully swordsmen for Robert's Rebellion.Young Griff is Rhaegar and Lyanna's son smuggled out of Westeros, this is consistent with his age. He's not Aegon (who is dead) but he's nonetheless a Targaryen. The two newborns were swapped in Dorne.Ashara is still alive and posing as Septa Lemore, she faked her suicide (nobody ever found the body) and has stretch marks because she gave birth to Jon a long time ago.There, this explains everything
>>25420001>>25420194Openly contradicted by King Lardass in a 2011 interview
>>25420303Lies we do tell for love...
Anon writing the /lit/'s convoluted schizophrenic K’dath theory here. It's basically done, just a few sections left and then re-reading editing making sure I don't miss obvious errors. Now I have avoided headcanon speculation unless it very strongly connects to something on a thematic level. Only using hard facts from the world book and mains series texts and following ideas to their logical conclusion for something as bizarre as Deep Ones that became lizardmen that had a giant Weirdwood tree in K’dath they made sacrifices to via impalement like a shrike which somehow involves Nagga. And all this has a deep connection to the Ironborn and the Grey King. But despite my best efforts its grown from five thousand words to over ten thousand words. I really hope to keep it under 11,000 words I really am sticking to the text as much as I can. Anyway anons wanted me to make a video for it but I think it would be better if (you) read it gave your opinions and feedback and point out any obvious mistakes in logic I didn’t see. Would people prefer to read it or would a youtube video really be a much better format for it.
Rate my theory from previous thread: >Brandon and Lyanna were in a secret relationship >Benjen knew but he was told to keep hush act as a witness in case any fallout happens because he caught them in the act >Lyanna is crowned by Rhaegar but he learns Lyanna is pregnant with Jon he acts as if it is his kid because he's secretly gay for Jon Con but just wanted to appease Targs and Dorne due to tradition and continuing the Targ line>Rhaegar is a cool guy and goes along with it for his own public image and to protect Lyanna's honor >Roberts Robellion happens and Rhaegar takes Lyanan down to Dorne to give birth to Jon Robert builds his protest on a lie>Lyanna tells Ned the truth about Jon's real parentage before dying(promise me, Ned!)>the war is over Ned goes home with Jon citing him as his bastard meanwhile Benjen exiles himself to the wall out of grief hoping to take the secret with him to the grave I feel this would be an incredibly ironic twist giving how Ned ended up after discovering Jaime and Cersei's incest
>>25420500>>25420565get cancer and die slow
>>25420500get happiness and live lovely
>>25420565Rhaegar and Lyannas love/destiny child was Dany actually.Jon is Brandons and Ashara baby out of wedlockFAegon is a Blackfyre nephew of Varys and son of Illyrio.Illyrio has tricked Ashara into thinking Faegon is Jon.
Sounds like it's getting confirmed in this week's episode of HotD that Alys and Aemond are the founders of House Whent, thus Catelyn and all of the Stark kids are the descendants of STRONG GREENS.
The stage play premiers tomorrow, and George is attending. What do you expect?
>>25420692lame
>>25420880>hey everyone>how about that Dunk and Egg show haha>75% done btw
>>25420692Based, I hope this pisses off twitter blacks
>>25420880>what do you expect?Nothing
>>25420639What if Aegon/Faegon is somehow a twin of Danaerys
>>25420880It will be nice to see an aemond one eye descended whent character, that guy was the chosen one
>>25420880He's not, he pulled out a few days ago
>>25421090Fake news
>>25420565Dumb, R+L=J is so embedded into the books that doing anything else at this point would be a twist for twist's sake.
Daenerys is a secret Blackfyre(drogon symbolism)Aegon is a secret Stark(reflected in his blue/white hair as a nod to the Stark banner colours)>>25420301I don't think Lemore is Ashara since Tyrion would've noted her purple eyes. I think she's actually Wylla who will be the key to everything.Also Daenerys red door has been in Starfall this entire time this will be how the Daynes could be more prominent in the later books with Daenerys returning there.
V+I=VVal+Ilyrio=Valyria
>>25420885Get fucked blackfag
>>25420692That would imply the Whents were just fucking around for a century before getting the Harrenhal. Ok, it doesn't really matter.
>>25420692It makes sense the more I think about it. Everything out of aemonds mouth is some edgy dark humor quip, and oswhell whent was known for his dark humor
I swear I heard someone talk about visiting George's house and finding out that while he is writing, he's writing literally anything BUT Winds, including pages upon pages of niche lore about characters who only have one scene. I can't remember where I found it. It feels kind of confirmed by this tweet but I'm slapping myself for not keeping a good log of every instance of people claiming shit about George's inability to write.
>>25421493tfw when hedge knight series will end up better than ASOIAF because all his experience with ASOIAF will go into it
Are Squishers real
>>25421493I'm pretty sure what you're talking about is this Reddit comment written by another author
>>25421493I wish I knew what inside source he knows about and 'deleted'. Honestly, Carmine has admitted to engaging in heavy clickbait behavior, could all just be pure attention grabbing... but I can't help but think they do know people on the inside.
>>25420001
>It's been 21 years>We still have no idea what Littlefinger meant by thisIs he going to make Sansa a queen? And somehow he knows about Daenerys?
>>25421594
>>25421672isn't littlefinger in the scene at the small council meeting where jorah's report arrives and they find out daenerys is pregnant and robert puts a bounty on her? he would definitely know about her
i can't find the winds of winter anywhere
>>25421235>Daenerys is a secret Blackfyre(drogon symbolism)No, she's some random dragonseed. Even her nickname is a clue (Stormborn).Reminder that no one, absolutely no one recalls a storm that destroyed an entire fleet.
>>25422118>Even her nickname is a clue (Stormborn)Is she one of Robert's Sixteen?
>>25422122No, I think her parentage will never be revealed.
Can anyone link me to the Winds of Winter "leaks" someone posted?
>>25422131You mean the chapters released so far? https://thehawke.github.io/twow-excerpts/
>>25421493>>25421594I believe this, and have similar thoughts as my personal theory.Rothfuss:>Considers himself above the medium>Actively exploited and lied to fans (the crowdfund in exchange for a chapter, he never released)>Pretends to be the wittiest writer ever>Realises it's actually trash and refuses to admit he's just not skilled to finish his trash>GRRM>Cant help but expand scale and scope>Gets the adaptation of a lifetime>It fucking burns>Fans hate the ending, of which the two core points (King Bran, Mad Dany) probably came -from- GRRM>Slump, but still put out side-content, still writes some and puts out previews>Covid, realises he HAS to write and he most likely DOES>hostility, even if partially earned, saps morale>Get another amazing adaptation, at first>Producer fucks it up yet again>Depression>Possibly had to throw out/redo a lot in between>Slump again, cant figure out how to stick the landing>Probably realises AWoW and ADoS aren't enough to finish it all, probably needs a third book (ATfW)>goes on a little pilgrimage, blogs about legacy, visits Tolkiens grave, writer friends are dying off>Gets a 10/10 adaptation>everyone loves it>showrunner seems to not be planning to fuck it up>inspiration brightens his life>finally getting back in the spirit and decides to at least finish the small-scale adventures of Dunk and EggI have hope we'll get at least She-Wolves of Winterfell around the time of AKOTSK S2, if reporting is accurate. AWoW, who knows, maybe after HOTD finishes.ADoS and ATfw? Not by Martin's hand, at least. Elio and Linda, perhaps.
>>25422131You mean this? https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24987208
>>25422198>I have hope we'll get at least She-Wolves of WinterfellAnon, that novella was fully completed and pulled out of publishing at the last minute. Nobody knows why, though the speculation is that it spoiled some big reveal for the mainline series.
Jons birth is what led to the Others reawakening. They sense the threat.
>>25422198>>Fans hate the ending, of which the two core points (King Bran, Mad Dany) probably came -from- GRRMI think the Others/White Walkers being defeated at Winterfell is another big one. I 100% believe that Winterfell is where their invasion is going to be stopped, though obviously it won't play out exactly like in the show (there being no Night King in the books). So many people expect some huge, apocalyptic world war against the undead, which is not gonna happen.
>>25422204What, I didn't know about that. Any sources?She-Wolves, the other novella, whatever. I'm just hopeful and a bit confident we'll get a new Dunk and Egg sometime in the near future, year and a half or so.>>25422308That, and Jon killing Dany, and Melisandre reviving Jon.Personally, I think it'd go>Melisandre attempts Kiss of Life>Jon is in Ghost for a bit, revival doesn't take>End of Winds has the "big twist" of Jon's revival, but he comes back -different-.Things in-between happen. fAegon takes King's Landing and is loved, Dany roasts him, gets the Rhaenyra treatment, shows red flags of madness. Others breach the wall, battle at Winterfell, then Dany threatens to burn down Winterfell with Drogon.Jon eventually puts a sword through her heart ("Love is the death of duty, duty is the death of love."), revealing him to be the prince who was promised, Azor Ahai, blablabla. Either forges a new pact of ice and fire and becomes the Stark in Winterfell, or whatever ending with him riding Rhaegal (dragonfire is Lightbringer) or an actual sword becomes Lightbringer (either Longclaw or he finds the first Ice).I do think GRRM messed with some original plans; personal theories include that Lady Stoneheart was supposed to place Robb's crown on his head and give him the Kiss, transfering her 'fire' to him, dying for real in the process.Or Dany becomes the new Night's Queen, and Jon her Night's King. Clever inversion of Fire and Ice.Yknow, occasionally it's a good thing GRRM never finished his books. Lets us work out these silly theories. Like Visenyon being Jon's Valyrian name and I refuse to accept any other.
>>25422391>>25422204>What, I didn't know about that. Any sources?There aren't any, it's a bullshit fandom myth. GRRM did have a contract to write She-Wolves of Winterfell by 2012 for a short story anthology, but he didn't write shit, and had to submit a fragment of what would become Fire and Blood instead. He only started working on She-Wolves of Winterfell in 2025, as per his own words in the Hollywood Reporter interview from January.>"The big issue is that I have only written three novellas, and I have a lot more stories about Dunk and Egg in my fucking head,” Martin says, looking a bit shamefaced. “I’ve got to get them down on paper. I began writing two at various points in the past year. One is set in Winterfell and one set in the Riverlands …"
>>25422391Jon and Daenerys are going to try and lure The Others to Winterfell where there are underground thermal vents and volcanic activity takes place. You know what else is possibly hidden in Winterfell? Dragon eggs. I think there's a cache there that Daenerys will try to hatch using the vents as a source of heat maybe she and Jon try to recreate whatever happened at Summerhall but are actually successful but Jon still stabs Daenerys and they both die in the heart of the explosion that wipes out the entire Other army and taken out a few other key characters who are there defending.
>>25422204>Anon, that novella was fully completed and pulled out of publishing at the last minute.no, it wasn'tthe amount of fake news you niggers spread is astounding
>>25422308>I 100% believe that Winterfell is where their invasion is going to be stopped, though obviously it won't play out exactly like in the show (there being no Night King in the books).The Others are so powerful that they can only be stopped by killing the final boss like a video game, as happened in the tv show.
The solution to stopping the walkers is burning every weirwood tree
>>25422573That’s the nissa nissa sacrifice
>>25422419My one issue with Winterfell's possible egg is, unless it hatches fully grown, what use is it in this part of the story?And even if it did, wouldn't it be a MASSIVE draconis ex machina? Egg hatches, burns the Others, world is saved?Dunno, just doesn't seem GRRM.
>>25422795Theon did see that image of a dragon flying away rom Winterfell as he burned it. if that was real and not a hallucination, there could absolutely be more eggs there. Maybe the dragon(s) will hatch and immediately bond with Jon, recognizing his dragonlord blood, which will cause Daenerys to trust that he really is a fellow Targ? Or maybe provide him with dragons with which to later on at the very end, fight against Daenerys when she goes mad?
>>25422391>>25422419I theorize that Azor Ahai/Nissa Nissa will get gender-flipped, with Dany killing off Jon Snow to forge Lightbringer. It feels like the sort of thing GRRM would do.>>25421677ahh, suicidegirls, havent looked them up in a minute. nice dubs btw>>25422573Doubtful. Also, it seems Melisandre is focused on burning the icons & effects of the Seven, rather than the Old Gods. Besides, the weirwoods in the south were mostly chopped or burned long before, even in the godswoods (except the Isle of Faces), that should be enough.
Jon and dany are also going to play a gender-flipped night king and and his corpse wifeI believe jon is indeed going to be dany's nissa nissa
Wage slaving is boring work and I wanna read the books to kill timeIs there a definitive edition somewhere or are all editions more or less the same?
>>25423342All editions are the same, just grab any file/copy and you'll be fine
The play was cancelled again. First five days were all cancelled. Never ever at this rate.
>>25423342get an xteink x4 ereader, game changer for getting more reading in, especially outside home
>>25422407>I have a lot more stories about Dunk and Egg in my fucking head,” Martin says,I'd rather have them anyways.
>>25423070>Melisandre is focused on burning the icons & effects of the Seven, rather than the Old GodsMelisandre is dumb and wrong about most things
>>25423552This isnt talked about enough, I think because the show especially made her seem right about everything
is there still no new audiobook for the series? i guess they want to hold out for the chance of the last 2 books coming out (lol) so they can do them all with the same reader but i just do not like this Roy Dotrice guy's reading
>>25421672>I had hoped to have four or five quiet years to plant some seeds and allow some fruits to ripen.Is this a meta-reference to GRRM's desired timeskip after A Storm of Swords
Alright it's finished, the 3,000 character limit per points means I'm not going to make 17 different posts for the whole theory. Pastebin for reading long things suck. So I made a gofile link to a word document so that should be easiest for anyone interested to read. I may make a youtube video reading it out so other people make come across it, I've listened to a lot and no one else has ever touched this theory. I hope you anons enjoy it and find it interesting! Its all thanks to those anons who pointed out that their was a drowned priest named Shrike and why shyrkes are called that if they're lizard people everything kinda clicks into place, if you're open minded enough.Here is /lit/’s Convoluted Schizophrenic K’dath theory>https://gofile(dot)io/d/ct6HNF
Lyanna Stark is a horseKhal Drogo is a horseTyrek Lannister is a horseHonor is a horse
If you could remove POV status and give it to another deserving character who would you select? Hardmode: no one like Varys, Littlefinger, Illyria,etc. Since they would reveal too much I'd remove either Hotah or Oakheart and maybe combine their role into Balon Swann
>>25424487I get the complaints about Dorne, but Areo Hotah is mentioned in the appendices of the first book, and that arc seems to be building towards something or other (or it would, if the fat man weren't a constipated procrastinator).That said, I would delete Quentyn, and tell his story through other characters, which would cut a bunch of fat in one fell swoop.As I've said before, the prologues/epilogues are among my favorites, alongside other anons, and I think one-off POVs would've been interesting, and also helped keep the plot progressing by reducing the number of threads to weave.Theon getting buckbroken into Reek kind of annoys me, it feels like GRRM wanted to punish the character for some reason and write torture porn, and had him act like a retard so he could get captured and become a POV in occupied Winterfell. My version would have him flee with Asha, letting other factions fight over the castle, and then there'd be a few chapters from Ramsay, which would be disturbing in tone but informative.
>>25424851>Theon getting buckbroken into Reek kind of annoys me, it feels like GRRM wanted to punish the character for some reason and write torture pornYeah I remember watching the show and feeling like theons actions came out of nowhere
>>25424889i think the only real issue is that it seems like he does an about face out of nowhere. he grew up with Robb, considered him kin, and he's in the Iron Islands for 5 minutes and decides to betray Robb and try to gain his father's approval even though he hates his father and his father is a huge dick and his sister is a twat? i'm assuming in the books this is handled with a little more tact. (i have read through clash of kings but it's been years and i've forgotten a lot of the non-show stuff)
>>25424957>he grew up with Robb, considered him kin, and he's in the Iron Islands for 5 minutes and decides to betray Robb and try to gain his father's approval even though he hates his father and his father is a huge dick and his sister is a twat?Yeah this was the exact problem. Little things like this, is why I have never been as high on the show as other people were, even up until season 4, which is actually where I stopped watching the show because I just didnt think it was good, which is funny since season 4 is considered peak to many. I dont remember the specifics of what made me dislike the TV show, but I do remember not liking the theon stuff. Which is good because it meant I could go into the books without the baggage of the show.
>>25424975it feels like the showrunners/writers were blindsighted by this as well as they didn't really do enough to show any distance between Theon and the Starks. like by all accounts it seems Theon was treated with more dignity and respect than Jon ever was and he was (allegedly) the son of the Lord of Winterfell.
Theon ramble. Theon by all accounts was entirely loyal to Starks (until Clash of course) and they still treated him pretty shittily. He's had to live with people who were part of the cause that killed his brothers, and who will chop his head off (and no, Ned wouldn't hesitate just because he's a child) if his dad (who hates him and is a moron) tries to rebel again. Catelyn, Jon and even Bran don't like him literally for just being kind of smug and annoying, and even Robb doesn't seem to get on that well with him (reading Thrones and Clash again I honestly don't see many instances of them enjoying each other's company). After 10 years they still have him followed around by guards, even though Ned seems to be doing fuck all in the way of actual parenting. Like, what on earth was Ned doing letting him go around fathering potential claimants to Pyke with every other woman in Winterfell (and since he was what, 12?), when he raised all his real sons to be chaste and responsible.The show changes his character a LOT. Funnily enough, show!Theon is actually one of the few characters whose arc is satisfying and functional over the whole course of the series, so I honestly don't mind the changes. A lot of book Theon's character relies on seeing inside his head, so I understand why. They dumb him down a lot, because it is easier to explain his actions as stupidity rather than delusional insecurity and brewing discontent. Book Theon is half romanticist, half nihilist, and projects his romantic side onto the women around him so he can feel above it. It is his delusion and romantic notions which cause all of his downfall; if he truly just wanted Ironborn admiration, he would have sacked Winterfell and fled, instead he crowns himself Prince and is genuinely surprised when everyone tells him to fuck off.There is also his other side: Reek is not something invented, it is the distillation of his nihilism, and in this state, without the romanticism to cloud his judgement, he is pretty perceptive and manipulative, able to convince Victarion's men to come with him, and is instrumental in the escape from Winterfell. Once he escapes and Reek "dies", he becomes Theon again, and swings back into full romanticism. The fall becomes a flight, he is the hero who saved the princess, and giggles away at Stannis who holds his life in his hands.I think Theon is the character most associated with duality in general. With gender, in how he is heir and therefore family to the Starks by virtue of being male, and how he deals with emasculation. With House, in how he spends half his years with the Greyjoys and half with the Starks (even his name, Theon Greyjoy takes half from a Stark and half from the Ironborn). With his character, in how he is half delusional romantic and half bitter nihilist. This is made even more obvious through color, the black of the Greyjoy sigil vs the white of Stark, and his hair changing colour.
What are your favourite what-ifs/theories?>Robb gets the Kiss of Life (with Grey Ghost's head), comes back as the Wolf King.>Jon takes Stannis' offer, marries Val, orders the gates of the Wall open to fleeing wildlings and settles them, places the Watch under Winterfell's authority ("temporarily"), eventually becomes the Winter King of the North and Freefolk.>Jon gets recognized as Lyanna's son, has to marry Sansa for legitimacy to claim Winterfell.
Did anyone watch the new SlopD episode? The showrunners made Alys Rivers the Lady of the Lake (God's Eye) with hidden dragon eggs (which are probably the ones Daenerys hatches) basically being Excalibur (probably also Light Bringer). It sounds like something straight from Martin.
>>25420880Apparently cancelled 3 hours ahead of curtain call
>>25425098>With genderdo you ramsay would've feminized theon if estrogen pills were a thing in westeros?
>>25425893gay ash hell blud
>>25425893no because ramsay is a repressor
It fills me with joy that George has to watch his legacy destroyed by the people he sold his books to, twice, while letting us all hung out to dry. Hope they also crash and burn AKOTSK you lazy OAF.
>>25425787Don't want to watch it (might binge it later), but it makes sense. I've always subscribed to the theory that the Azor Ahai story is a metaphor for the creation of the dragons, and not about making a literal magic sword.
>>25425098It's kind of neat how Arya and Theon's journey mirror each other a little. They are both displaced schizophrenics thrusted into unfamiliar environments and cultures that don't really accept them. Maybe it's Theon who is the one that helps Arya regain who her true self is before she's fully consumed by her Facelesss Man training. >>25425225Never liked the one with Robb coming back with the Wolf's head for some reason. I like the idea of Daenerys being a secret Blackfyre because it'd add a lot of irony to Barristan's character but we all know GRRM won't go there.
Baratheons are a younger house than the Freys.Walder Frey and all of Westeros should sneer and spit on this upstart, nouveau-rich house.
>>25426658Funny how they came along with the Targs and they had Lyonel talking shit about them and then Robert getting rid of them altogether
>>25424957>i'm assuming in the books this is handled with a little more tactnot really, the only differences I remember is that Theon isn't as openly mocked by his crew in the books and he isn't betrayed by them either, he is the one opening the gates instead of getting knocked unconscious
>>25426658Baratheons are just renamed Durrandons
>>25424851>I would delete Quentyn, and tell his story through other characters, which would cut a bunch of fat in one fell swoop.George already did this
>>25426015Ramsay is 100% gay. He was a bit too eager and nonchalant to touch Theon's dick, and he cut it off because he's terribly insecure about his own virility
>>25427965show made ramsay look too normal and good looking which is funny because i bet the actor was picked to be uglyshow ramsay gives off "normal looking guy who's a psycho" look. book ramsay is supposed to look so ugly and brutish that he naturally passes as somebody who could be named reek
>>>/tv/222111059
>>25425225>Robb gets the Kiss of Life (with Grey Ghost's head), comes back as the Wolf King.This sounds like multiple spells in one go>Jon gets recognized as Lyanna's son, has to marry Sansa for legitimacy to claim Winterfell.That's, uh, incest
>>25428007Theon has two great lines about Ramsay ("Reek")>do you always smell so bad, or did you just finish fucking a pig?>his lips look like two worms fuckingIt was his own mistake taking a known degenerate into his service and then letting him leave
>>25428144Oh yeah and in the books Ramsay is a necrophile (or at the very least forces Reek to fuck corpses as "his turn"). This guy is probably the most vile character I can recall from recent fiction. Ugly inside and out. The show gave him a massive glowup.
>>25428144The dumbest thing Theon ever does is not killing Ramsay/Reek while he can because "he knows how to write, so he might have written down compromising things about me".Like, does Theon seriously think that the Northerners would only want him dead if such a document were leaked?Too dumb to survive, I guess
>>25428161Yeah that was fucking retarded. But then again it's part of such a link of unlikely events that George might as well have just written "fuck the Starks because fuck em"People mock Ramsay's "twenty good men" line (and rightfully so) but overlook how George had fifty dudes take an impregnable fortress with grappling hooks
No way Dany is Aerys' daughter.Do you guys really expect me to believe this 53 yo weirdo was fertile and stable enough to reproduce?All while he was despairing about a massive rebellion?
>>25428091>That's, uh, incestdo people in westeros even care if it's like cousins or whatever or have the targs turned everyone of from it completely? i know with Cersei/Jamie a lot of it is because it directly ties to the question of ascension to the throne.>>25428182Al Pacino is almost 80 and he just had a kid.
>>25428173Also Lady Dustin is either a genius or a fucking retard. You hate the Starks so you support Bolton huh? What happens when the Bastard kills his father and you're standing there in front of him? You get skinned alive. All your little games won't mean shit at that point.
So, Aerea . . . what do you guys think happened there?>ValyriaIt's possible, but that was only Septon Barth speculating
>>25428187Aerys was 53 and Rhaella was 36. They shouldn't be able to conceive so casually>>25428173A fortress can be taken by just about anyone so long as it's virtually empty, unless you give the few defenders a phone call in advance and throw away the surprise element
>>25428211woman moment
>>25428187in westeros first cousins is chill, joanna was tywin's cousin
>>25428140I don't get this bad Tumblr joke, almost laughed towards the end at the Asha part, until the democracy point.
>>25428148>The show gave him a massive glowup.For fucking real
>>25428161George has a surprising amount of convenient "character does inexplicably dumb thing that doesn't make sense for how smart they should be" moments in the books
>>25428182>53 yo weirdoHe was born in 244 AC and died in 283 AC at 39 years of age thoughbeit.
>>25428212>Aerys was 53 and Rhaella was 36. They shouldn't be able to conceive so casuallyhuh?
>I have seen it in the flames, read of it in ancient prophecy. When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone. Dragon-stone is the place of smokeand salt.Doesn't this confirm that Azor Ahai is Daenerys? Only she fits the prophecy.
>>25428358She fits it too well which is why she likely isn't it.
>>25428381GRRM is a man with solid writing principles behind him even if I don't always agree with his writing
>>25428358Yeah. It's also pretty clear that Light Bringer is just a metaphor for the dragons. GRRM's subversion will probably be that the savior/Azhor Ahai will be a group effort with Daenerys, Jon, and maybe Arya taking the central role. Like Arya will shank the Night King with Dark Sister after Dany and Jon with the dragons do the heavy lifting against the wight army or some shit. Daenerys is Martin's take on King Arthur. Wakes the dragons from stone = Arthur pulling the sword from the stone. Jon is Morgause and she will get killed by Ayra (moRgAn le fAY/mordred). Jon takes the blame and gets exiled to the wall like in the show.
>>25428391>It's also pretty clear that Light Bringer is just a metaphor for the dragons.Why couldn't the prophecy just mention a dragon instead of a sword?>Arya will shank the Night KingI very much doubt a NK-like figure (basically Arthas with no long hair) will appear in the books because GRRM is paranoid about distancing himself from Tolkien
Azor Ahai, born from smoke and salt, is secretly a traditionally-made ham from Dragonstone that can give anyone who eats it the power to defeat the Others.We all know Martin is a foodie after all
>>25428442Why couldn't the House Targaryren motto just be "human sacrifice grants magical power needed to hatch petrified dragon eggs during a magical dry spell" instead of the vague "fire and blood" which led retards like Aerion to misinterpret it and drink wildfire? Shit and details just get lost to time and misinterpreted.
>>25428442>Why couldn't the prophecy just mention a dragon instead of a sword?GRRM was inspired by Arthurian legend and wanted to make Danereys a le epic reference to King Arthur with the dragons as Excalibur. Excalibur isn't the sword Arthur pulls from the stone but you can say that he blended them together for simplicity. >I very much doubt a NK-like figure Yeah idk. Maybe Ayra will discover something crucial about dealing with the Others after meeting Lady Stoneheart. Both Lady Stoneheart and the Others seem to be chimping out because at some point a pact or trust was broken and they want restitution.
>>25428442anon prophecies are a plot device and are vague by design. they're not supposed to spell out the end of the story point by point like GPT.
>>25428500>>25428507Maggy's prophecies were very straightforward though, and the Ghost of High Heart was relatively literal as well
>>25428554>24 year old prophecy vs 5,000 year old prophecy
Wouldn't it have been a certified gamer move if the Lannisters had explicitly disavowed the Red Wedding after ordering the Freys and the Boltons to pull it off, by citing the blasphemy of guest right violations?At that point they could have gained Riverland and Northern loyalty by promising the surviving Stark loyalists to punish the Twin Towers and the Dreadfort for the (officially grassroots) betrayalCertainly, the Boltons could have fled north of Moat Cailin, but they would have only outrun Lannister armies, not the Manderlys or the Northern clans.In such circumstances, nobody in the North would declare for Stannis
>>25428381He's looking so much... smaller
>>25428381She is the second coming of azor ahai, but the first azor ahai was just a fraud who didn’t really end the long night. He was a conquering warlord who lived last apocalypse, she’s a conquering warlord who is here for this apocalypse. Histories and religions will remember her a savior either way, that’s the nature of charismatic cult leaders
>>25429110>she’s a conquering warlordWe know how the story ends buddy. Dany is just another doomed pretender and a blip in history before Bran takes over Westeros.
>>25429176I know, I should have said failed conquering warlord
>>25428578i don't think that gamer move would work until Joffrey dies.
Just started reading the books, my favorite thing is the warcries I thought it was silly when ser rodrik shouted "winter fell!" before charging the mountain tribes but whispering wood changed that, when Robb shouted "winterfell!" before descending on kingslayer I shed a little tear
>>25426454>Never liked the one with Robb coming back with the Wolf's head for some reason.It's one of those things that I shouldn't be part of the -main- story, but is a perfect what-if for fanfics, video games, etc.
The Mad King play starts in less than 10 minutes
>>25429503no it doesn't, it'll be cancelled again
>>25429521looks like it's happeningsome of the actors have confirmed on their instagram stories
>>25429503Waiting for the first leaks
>>25429585>>25429503Fuck I want that script. Someone record a "slime tutorial".
>>25429585nope 60 seconds before curtain call George will tell them to cancel it, can't let us have anything, ASOIAF must be continual edging and disappointment with no satisfying conclusion ever
>>25429602i was just doomer/shitposting but now i'm imagining his tubby ass trying to do some phantom of the opera shit waddling around wheezing red faced trying to sabotage each performance so the play is never fully performed
Intermission just started a few minutes ago. We should get some spoiler info when the play ends in 2 hours.
>>25429990Howland Reed is featured prominently in the play, and Elia is close friends with Ashara.
>>25429990no.... NO!!!!!!
SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!>Lyanna confirmed as The Kinght of the Laughing Tree>Lyanna gets together with Rhaegar of her own free will. The first act ends with them having a conversation under the weirwood tree after she’s been crowned QOLAB.>Elia is an active participant in Rhaegar’s plans to remove Aerys from the throne, half of it is her ideas.>Aerys knows about Rhaegar’s plans and has a confrontation with him where he literally offers his neck and tells him to kill him. After Rhaegar doesn’t, Aerys makes fun of him and calls him a coward.>Robert is portrayed very sympathetically and is actively grieving his parents. At one point Aerys gifts him a model of his parents ship, which is just some splinters in a box of water.>Brandon x Ashara confirmed or at the very least heavily implied!>Rhaegar is plagued by dragon dreams, at one point he specifically mentions a dream about a three headed dragon with Lyanna there. Puppetry is used to show his dreams to the audience and there’s a really cool dragon puppet.>Elia and Rhaegar’s marriage is shown to be cordial, he confides in her about his dragon dreams.
>>25430043Nice
>>25430043>>Brandon x Ashara confirmed or at the very least heavily implied!OK so what the fuck is Ned's connection there? Brandon loved/trusted her and that was enough for him to potentially trust her with the secret of Jon's parentage, and for Ashara to let him spread that story?
>>25430043>Brandon x Ashara confirmed or at the very least heavily implied!So which is it?Idiot.
>>25430063I think the ashara rumors spread independently of Ned. He seems vehemently against that story.
>>25430043>>Elia is an active participant in Rhaegar’s plans to remove Aerys from the throne, half of it is her ideas.>>Elia and Rhaegar’s marriage is shown to be cordial, he confides in her about his dragon dreams.Based cuckquean
>>25430043>>Lyanna gets together with Rhaegar of her own free will. Called it.
>>25430043>This is just what I was informed during intermission after the first act. Still got the entire second half to go which is currently happening. I’ll add more to the threads once I get that infoGuys there's more coming later
>>25430194i say this
How is the community reacting to the play lore? Saw some retarded Twitter post begging for Lyanna to be Rhaegar's victim, can't believe such simple minded shallow people still exist in the ASOIAF community that they would want a character to be as simplistic as victim or abuser.
Would be interesting if the second half of the play has Varys successfully steal away Aegon before Elia dies. Nothing would send this fandom into a rage more.
>>25430238>can't believe such simple minded shallow people still exist in the ASOIAF community that they would want a character to be as simplistic as victim or abuser.House of the dragon brought like a billion of those into the fandom
>>25430258Just went on twitter to click the Rhaegar trending section and reminded myself why I hate social media and twitter especially, I've downplayed my hate of social media too much lately because I barely use the casual part of it.
>>25430248GRRM would never allow something so explicit, but it would be fun...
>>25430043>>Lyanna confirmed as The Kinght of the Laughing TreeCrazy that there are any gender roles in this universe at all since there are so many female warriors that kick men's asses all the time.
Lyanna and Rhaegar are in love and she runs away with him willingly. Lyanna is also confirmed greenseer and communicates with Rhaegar via dreams, that’s how they plan their elopement. Benjen helps them.
>>25430297Elia and Lyanna become penpals while Lya is at the TOJ. Elia doesn’t mind the Rhaegar/Lyanna relationship and mentions the idea of him having two wives likes Aegon I, one for love and one for politics.
>>25430297>Benjen helps themWTF that's brand new. So this entire time Benjen has been keeping the secret that they were a loving couple, and Ned has been keeping the secret that they had a baby. Did Ned and Ben ever talk about this or did they live the rest of their lives holding onto that?
>>25430238>>25430258>>25430263i was browsing the asoiaf subreddit and the number of "i wish dany wasn't so young" posts are so retarded i hate normies and foids who need to outsource their enjoyment of media to an imagined hypothetical "majority" who will judge them for liking something that isn't the usual mainstream MCU slop that isn't offensive or icky or problematic like seriously there is SO MUCH bland "unproblematic" media for these retards and they want nothing to do with it
>Elia and Lyanna are penpals. One of their ravens is intercepted by Varys and that’s how he discovers Rhaegar’s location, and Gerold Hightower is sent to find him.
>Elia is very politically shrewd and while her marriage to Rhaegar is cordial she sees it as one of convenience, her main interest is making sure House Martell is in power.well that went to shit
More play spoilers>Lyanna is a warg and even has dragon dreams. They used to be wolf dreams, but she had one about the song of ice and fire. That’s what makes Rhaegar fall in love with her.>Elia is pregnant at Harrenhal and gives birth there. Rhaegar crowns Lyanna directly after because he has a dragon dream of Daenerys surrounded by dragons, which transforms into Lyanna.>Lyanna is the mystery knight. She fights for revenge against Howland’s bullies.>Aerys informs Rhaegar that he isn’t the prince that is promise, like he believes. It has to be a third child. Rhaegar and Aerys both attempts to conceive their third child to fulfil the prophecy. They make it purposely ambiguous who is actually the prince that is promised.>Ned defeats Ser Arthur Dayne with the help of Howland Reed. He plays dead and then stabs Arthur in the back. Then, Ned cuts his throat.>After reaching the Tower of Joy, Lyanna is much more obsessed with prophecy than Rhaegar. It’s sort of a coping mechanism to explain the murder of her father and brother. Rhaegar is happy living in the Tower of Joy with Lyanna in bliss. He even wards her off prophetic obsessions, claiming it’ll only consume her.>Elia corresponds with Lyanna, telling her to see sense and understand that a war caused by love is still madness. Elia has no problem with Rhaegar taking another wife—one for duty and one for love.>Ashara Dayne has Brandon Stark’s bastard. She miscarries a baby girl, while in the Red Keep serving as Rhaella’s handmaiden after Elia is imprisoned.
>>25420228Catching? Not pitching....
>>25430342>Ashara Dayne has Brandon Stark’s bastard.fucking brutal dude
>>25430367so who the fuck is that then? because that's who Ned was trying to make everyone think Jon was, right?
>>25430370I think the anon is saying she got pregnant with his bastard but miscarried, so the bastard was never born. Also Ned never tried to make anyone think Ashara was Jon's mother.
The meltdown begins
>>25430043>a dream about a three headed dragon with Lyanna there>he has a dragon dream of Daenerys surrounded by dragons, which transforms into LyannaWould be pretty funny if Rhaegar is actually seeing Arya here instead of Lyanna. Would explain why the GoT showrunners gave Arya such a big role in the Long Night.
Welp the play just confirmed mad queen dany. LOL have fun with that one fandom
>Rhaella is portrayed as both physically and mentally scarred. Physically, she’s significantly burnt from carrying Rhaegar through the burning Harrenhal and shows that she has pretty extensive cuts from being>Scrapped and bitten by Aerys when in the royal bed. She’s also pretty insane, goes on a rant simultaneously denying that she is hurt or scared by Aerys, cursing the gods for her fate, making fun of Elia and Ashara for experiencing love, calling upon the>Song of ice and fire, before going on a second rant declaring to the gods that, if she’s made to conceive a child underneath the red star, that it would not be a noble prince that was promised but a ‘vengeful daughter’ who will bring back dragons and ‘bring ruin’…>She also tells Rhaegar to leave ‘nothing but ruins’ before he leaves for the Trident, and I think cheered on the deaths of Brandon and Rickon? Definitely a case of Targ madness, believing herself a dragon made flesh, etc, but also a massive victim of abuse on top
>>25430382oh thank god these people are insufferable i hope they fuck off to something else but i know they won't, they won't be happy until they make everything as bland and lame and inoffensive as Disney-Pixar and MCU garbage
Ned's family sound like a bunch of cunts honestly
>Lots of fight scenes for the war with extensive use of puppetry. Rhaegar has a dragon dream in the middle of the Trident which seemingly distracts him enough for Robert to kill him.O_O
>>25430444Bloodraven at it again
>Aerys HATES Elia and says vile insults to her. He calls her a “Dornish mongrel bitch” to her face, and also says to Rhaegar “I can smell the stench of that Dornish bitch on you”MAGA goat aerys
>>25430458he becomes more likable the more we learn about him
Ok so Mad King not misunderstood, the stories about him not exaggerated, he really was that much of a prick
>>25430464>hating Dornish whores>bad
Crackpot theory Euron was driven insane by constantly having to listen to his crew on the Silence sing the entire score to HMS Pinafore
>Ashara and Elia are actual lovers. It’s implied that Ashara is the love of Elia’s life. Ashara loves Elia, but she loves Brandon too. While she’s dancing with Ned, she talks to him about having multiple lovers.why are the dornish like this?
>>25430484man what a waste of a character, all that build up and she's just some random dornish skank
>>25430503nigga she was only written to be a red herring for R + L = J, what the fuck else was she supposed to be?
>>25430506Well, the build up was that she was Eddard's first love, but he had to give her up and marry Catelyn for duty. It would have made his character more tragic and richer.Feels a little cheap to just throw away the character that way but whatever I guess, GRRM just didn't care about her much
>>25430395>it would not be a noble prince that was promised but a ‘vengeful daughter’ who will bring back dragons and ‘bring ruin’… Dany is toast
Apparently Oswell Whent and Arthur Dayne were gay lovers and Dayne goes berserk and cradles his body mid battle when whent dies.
>>25430576>Sword of the Morning in the streets>Fencing in the sheetsBravo, Martin
>>25430576Why is Dorne so gay?
>AYEEEEEE fuck me with your huge wolf cock the way your limpdick sissy brother never could AYEEEEEEEEEEEEcanon btw
Is there a bigger fraud in ASOIAF besides Robert Baratheon? He was literally about to lose the fight to Rhaegar before dragon dreams distracted him.
>>25430576>"best swordsman" is gayGeorge physically cannot write more than one type of character
Leakers are saying Lewin Martell kills one of his sworn brothers on the trident. Probably Jonothor Darry. Never trust a dornish.
>>25430620this one kind of pisses me off I don't know whyI guess darry managed to wound him bad enough for lyn to finish his traitorous ass off
>>25430610We should've known he sucked based on the fact that he always got wrecked at tourneys. He was brave and physically strong, but a shit fighter.
I told you their love would be confirmed.
>>25430651The play is pure Rhaegar apologia from beginning to end. Honestly, I never expected such a complete rehabilitation of how the character is viewed, but the play went and did it. The fanbase can't headcanon anymore.
>>25430630>he always got wrecked at tourneysHe won the Harrenhal melee after beating Oberyn and Gregor
>>25430552Rhaella is coping. Jon will fix Dany.
>>25430678Ned just remembered he fought well not that he won.
I'm approaching blackpill levels I didn't think were possible. If Winds comes out, it's going to be bad. I genuinely feel that way after all the leaks from the play.
>>25430690Sorry your headcanon was nullified.
>>25430690retard then it was never a good series.
>On the night of the red comet, Rhaella cries out a curse to the gods proclaiming that if she conceives a child it would not be a son but a vengeful daughter who would bring back dragons and burn the kingdoms.
>>25430680Dany is not Rhaella s daughter, but a seedling of Dragonstone, thus she has a healthier valyrian gene pool and not crazy.Preston proved this via Lemongate
There's a genuine likelihood that the emergence of theory content to fill the hole of no canon ASOIAF writing, has warped the retarded fanbase so immensely that they've built up a set of expectations about the story, out of spinning narratives in their head based on leaps of logic and interpretations that could never ever be complete or coherent without the missing books that are being waited for. So the retarded fanbase except for the most diehard "George is a genius that can almost do no wrong" will mostly be disappointed by winds. After all, for a long time feast and dance were disappointments until they were milked so hard for theory content that the only people that still care about ASOIAF rationalized it being good.Makes me wonder how disappointed some people would have been by storms if it didnt come out so quickly after Clash and Game. I've already heard of some theory creators who have rationalized that Littlefinger didnt actually kille Jon Arryn (atleast intentionally) and that it totally makes sense to them. The only reason they havent considered that reveal disappointing, is because the story isnt finish, so they can always defer to "well it COULD actually be a false answer!"I think I'm right and just demolished the entire ASOIAF fanbase with this one post possibly.
the only thing I'm disappointed by is Ashara being a red herring and Brandon's cumrag, everything else is fine
>>25430724Rhaella literally cursing during the Red Comet what is effectively "I hope I birth Daenyrs!!!" is maybe the worst writing of all Game of Thrones.
of all the reasons they could make for rhaegar losing, they choose that he was hit with dragon dream during a fucking fight? that sounds absolutely fucking retarded
>>25430740IDK, I think it is kinda tragic.
>>25430739Why did they gave away Dany going crazy.
>>25430690meh, from what we are told everything adheres to the logical conclusions>classic R+L=J>knight of the laughing tree>Brandon and Asharanever really made sense for Ned to be with her since Barristan kind of confirms it was Brandon who she slept with and Ned didnt seem to have bad feelings for Brandon, still we have the questions of Ned banning her name from Wnterfell and Edd Dayne stories, maybe George retcon>Elya being ok with it is whats gay as fuckwhy is Elya this quirck chungus cuck quinn, makes no sense, if she mirrors Visenya, she should be envious of R and L> Rhaegar allowing for messages to be exchanged, basically feeding information to the dornish camp and anyone around Elya>Varys being the one who sent the 3 guards at the tower of Joy is also weird>the Dornish plot is weird and gay overallwe expect to find out more in the coming days, I expect this play to not be fully canon, especially since the last part isnt what George plannedalso is kind of sad since I believe he wanted to write it all by himself but probably had to let somebody else
>>25430749>Elya being ok with it is whats gay as fuckElia is dornish. What did you expect unironically?
>>25430749>since the last part isnt what George planneddid this fat fraud really let someone else write another ending? I hate this faggot
>turning lyanna from teenage victim at best or dumb bitch at worst into prophecy obsessed cunt who doesn't care about her brother and father getting killed while rhaegar himself tells her to chill outBravo jorge
>>25430690I’ve waited for this day so I could rub it in your face but now I just feel pity. Sorry it wasn’t what you wanted, to me it’s great
>>25430748To lessen the backlash once winds is released (very soon!)
>>25430775Lmao. He can't finish anything it seems.
>>25430775i think i may have worded that a bit wrong, George wanted to write a play about the tourney, classic play, one location, short time framehis co writers wanted to tell most of the story and he was simply ok with it>>25430786it was pretty obvious that Lyanna had some premonitions before meeting Rhaegat and after that would slowly become prophecy obsessed and surpassing Targaryen levels of madness in the endstill a beautiful romantic story, Gerge s version of Romeo and Juliette, i expect his book version to be better since all the Dorne stuff kind of taints it since is nonsensicalfemoids on twitter can continue seething about Rhaegar, this play changes almost nothing if you paid attention to the books
KEKAROOOOOO
>>25430870Will the fucking twitter tourists finally leave us autists to enjoy this nerdy bullshit In peace? Please god
So there are dragon eggs under Harrenhal?
>>25430297Is she a legit greenseer or just a dreamer?
DOES GEORGE CONSIDER ANY OF THIS CANON THO????
>>25430720I’ve warned people about this before. It’s been too long. Everyone has already religiously bought into retarded theories that will never come to fruition.I predict that David Lightbringer will commit suicide. I saw it in a dream I did.
>>25430893It straddles the border of being fanfiction while also being George's sparknotes. Impressive, really.
Am I the only one who actually likes the mad queen Daenerys thing. I also like the old cripple seer king thing. I just really think it was handled awfully.
So Rhaegar was the sane one and Lyanna was the insane one.Got it. I’m not sure if I like this or not. >>25430382>>25430870Why are they crying about misogyny in the fantasy medieval world of rape?
>>25430748George testing the winds to see if he needs to go with the re-written version of the books with a new ending or not
>>25430748Because it's going to be le subverted with Jon and Dany getting together. His ice will cool her untamed fire. A song of ice and fire. Get it?
>>25430897ironically David Lightbringer was the most right about the play in his theoriesPreston too, except that he hates Jon, but was right about the details
>>25430484>>25430605>Ashara loves Elia, but she loves Brandon too. While she’s dancing with Ned, she talks to him about having multiple lovers.Jesus christ, how much humiliation is this man being put through
>>25430928>things people already theorized about>”it was david’s and preston’s ideas!” Um. This post is a load of cope.
>>25430928David will never ever ever recover after how hard he shilled for dany
>>25430928Why are you lying?
>>25430937>MY FAMILY ARE ALL MORONS
>>25430979why? because Rhaella said she ll have a daughter who ll burn everything? we know what George thinks of prophecy, plus we still have Preston's Version of Lemongate, that for example would really break David if Dany isnt a Tragaryen but a dragonseed, and also would turn Rhaella s curse on it s head>>25430993what lies? check David s Rhaegar Lyanna weirwood wedding video and Eddard Stark most dangerous man in the secen kingdoms stream. the wedding wasnt portrayed in the play and was left ambiguous, but i expect it to be a scene in Bran I TWoW. he got things right beyond the standard theories>>25430941i know they come from a bunch of people on the forums, but they are the ones who present them to a wider audience
>>25430987i meant for you the second reply>>25431037
>The hero we needed and deserved
George is trying to tell us that Lyanna had a female moment and it got Rhaegar killed.
>>25431046That’s not Darkstar.
>>25431058If we had Rhaegar, we wouldn't have needed a great man like Darkstar in the first place.
Euron has a suit of Valyrian steel armor
>>25431046>fooled himself into becoming a pedophile because he saw Arya in his dreams and mistook her for Lyanna >doesn't kill his father when given a free chance because he thinks it will ruin his legitimacy as king and fracture the seven kingdoms>dies and fractures the seven kingdoms anywaykwab
>>25431083Seethe
George really has given up on winds hasn’t he? Cba to finish his book so he just spoils everything in a play. Press S to spit
>>25430870
Lyanna is the Ranni of Game of Thrones.
>>25419899I brutally mog that guy in the picrel btw
>>25431083And he was a good friend
>>25431155f-f-fuark! elden kuso was so kino! this is epic!
It was always obvious she was the knight of the laughing tree. It was always obvious that Rhaegar fell in love after seeing such a display. It was always obvious that Lyanna reincorporated Rhaegar’s feelings. It was never inconceivable that Lyanna, being a Stark, had green sight, or skinchanging ability.
>>25430461>I'm sorry for your loss, Robert. Here, I had a model replica of their boat made for you.>It's a box of splinters and waterThe Mad Bants King more like.
>>25431155Ranni was in love with Godwyn but got betrayed by the black knife assassins she empowered with the secret rite of death, who killed him. She couldn’t have known it was Godwyn at the moment she / they carved the halves of the rune of death on their respective bodies.
>>25431179>>It was always obvious that Lyanna reincorporated Rhaegar’s feelings.It's reciprocate you ESL fuck
>>25431185An Indian is at peace with himself and sees the play as the nothingburger it is
So when did the play end anyway?
>>25430464He also wasn't entirely Mad, given that everyone around him were in actual fact plotting against him.
>>25430043>At one point Aerys gifts him a model of his parents ship, which is just some splinters in a box of water.That's fucking savage, lmao.
>>25431179>It was never inconceivable that Lyanna, being a Stark, had green sight, or skinchanging ability.Yea the line about her being so good with horses is a dead giveaway. I really like the idea that she became more obsessed with the prophecy than even Rhaegar who in the books seems to be very pragmatic and levelheaded when it comes to the prophecy ("It seems I must be a warrior"), but I don't like how Bobby B only got his win because of Rhaegar getting distracted by a vision.
>>25431203it's still going
>>25429110So now that mad dany confirmed, to me it also confirmed evil azor ahai (kinda obvious with the wife killing bit but after so long you start to second guess yourself). The last hero was a different guy who had to rally the troops to survive the aftermath of the flame conqueror and the ice zombies
>>25430395>>25430342Are we sure this isn't show canon?
>>25419899Why are so many fans in denial about the books never getting finished?
>>25431261They will never be finished. Gurm is doing yet another side quest right now spoiling the books because he has no desire to actually finish the series.
>>25424176Link doesn't work diddy-blud.
>>25431233>but I don't like how Bobby B only got his win because of Rhaegar getting distracted by a vision.GRRM is gonna have to clarify just how accurate the play is to the truth of what happened because that's a pretty major retcon from how it was described in the books
>>25431233>>25431296GRRM has made the series more notably in recent years all about rhe Targs cause muh dragons and shiet. Of course it would be something like a special vision causing Rhaegar to lose instead of actual combat ability.
>>25431244>Azor Ahai is actually the villainWhat if the Great Other is actually the good guy?
>>25430382I can't believe George Rape Rape Martin would write something like this!!!
So how are Danyggers coping with the play strongly teasing mad queen dany being canon after years of them saying it was all d&d fanfic ?
>>25431268The link def works, I trust you figured out how to replace the (dot) with a . after posting that. I look forward to any comments/questions/additions/criticisms you or any other anons have about it in this or the next thread
>>25431244>The last hero was a different guyWhy would he be a different kind of person when everything suggests that the legend of Azor Ahai is based on that of the Last Hero?
>>25431244Azoi Ahai was a villian and maybe the Bloodstone emperor himself as a villain seeking more power. He is also the last hero. Last hero led a band of undead greenseers of Nightwatch men (they predate the Wall and the long night). Sacred Order of Greenmen was actually once the Sacred Order of Greenmen zombies
>>25430238>How is the community reacting to the play lore?Reddit is coping and seething on a scale not seen since the show finale. They just can't stomach le pedo groomer Rhaegar as a good guy.
>>25431396From what I've seen, people are interpreting the line to mean that Daenerys burns down the old institutions and norms, rather than King's Landing directly.
>Rhaegar, so filled with hubris, decided to fantasise about his fascist hero myth while fighting Bobby and got his shit caved in
>>25430620>Leakers are saying Lewin Martell kills one of his sworn brothers on the trident. Probably Jonothor Darry.>>25430576>Apparently Oswell Whent and Arthur Dayne were gay lovers and Dayne goes berserk and cradles his body mid battle when whent dies.>>25430484>Ashara and Elia are actual lovers. It’s implied that Ashara is the love of Elia’s life. Ashara loves Elia, but she loves Brandon too. While she’s dancing with Ned, she talks to him about having multiple lovers.Why is Dorne such a cesspool? What's wrong with them?
Why are women so unhappy about mad queen Dany? It makes COMPLETE sense.
holy cope
>interval says winter is comingWINDS CONFIRMED ONCE THE PLAYS END IN SEPTEMBER
