love and beauty editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>25432144
WINDS WILL BE OUT THIS YEAR
the dragon has three heads? more like the dragon has three dead kids
>>25437347>2016
>>254373642 more weeks
Preston status?
>>25437371R A P E D
>>25437371The usual, goofy and overly dramatic but ultimately correct.
>>25437371Filtered
> Arthur dayne and oswell whent are gayWhat the fuck
>>25437371That faggot liberal is way up his own ass too much to even understand what is good anymore. After I made him crashout by making fun of (and ratioing) him when he said the Mando movie was good, I knew that faggot glowie was forever on my shitlist. I followed him for 3 months and what a waste of time. I feel bad that his kid is going to have to live with him and his snarky attitude for 18 years
>>25437371unfortunately based and correct on all his criticism of the play, i watched the whole 2 hour thing while washing the dishes, hes pedantic but its fairly full proof
>>25437432>he said the Mando movie was goodSurely fucking not
Squishers = Jews
How many times have you read the series bros?
>game of thrones was released 30 years ago today and it’s still not finished…
>>25437573>2011 was 30 years agoFuck
>>25437667>She's still not legalFUCK
>>25437512I read every single book I buy from the beginning to the end exactly once.Afterwards I will only go back to it to check specific passages
>>25437350One of them is still alive
>>25437512Twice. Once in my Slavic mother tongue and once in English. I'm not gonna start another re-read until TWOW's release date is announced after Gurm's death. I don't think I'll have to wait very long.>>25437669Very cute art, love it.
>>25437941Aegon is a blackfyre
>>25437512Twice with my eyes, and about 10 times with my ears
>>25438039I can't even imagine how cringe the audiobooks must be when it comes to all the ridiculous sex scenes or tyrion constantly saying fuck and cunt in adwd.
>>25434084I believe the backstory is far more mundane -- the lemon tree & red door are from her safe haven in Braavos.>>25435401Given that there are known human hybrids like the Brindled Men, I could see a strain of giant blood in Duncan the Tall's ancestry.>>25436033As I've been tellin y'all niggas, we'll get Winds eventually, but he'll croak before Dream of Spring. The best we can hope for is that his outline & notes get released, unlike the mysterious floppy disks for Dune 7 which remain obscure (probably because they would contradict Brian & Kevin's hackjobs).(breaking up post due to gay ass spam filter)
>>25436233It seems to me that the Seven are the religion of urban, settled society, as a duality/contrast to the Old Gods of nature. I wonder if the Seven have any relation to the Warlocks of Essos...>>25436979because it is. Oily black stone is water element (squishers/mermen/walrusmen), while fused black stone is fire element (dragonlords).>>25437024As discussed previously, the Others are basically a fork in the Weirnet.
>>25437350This three heads shit I don't understand, so obviously Jon and Daenerys are the first two butWho the FUCK is the 3rd head?Fake Aegon? That doesn't really fit
>>25437336I said last thread how I am afraid the fandom and kike publisher will force his hand into writing a more lefty story even though George is equally as much of a romantic as he is a woke hippie boomer.Some anon says that the play kind of confirms he will stand his groundBUT I have greater fears than just the publishers, trannies and loser foids, I think it is very likely that the CIA is envolved.Think about it, the realease of winds will literally be a matter of US national security and make impact across the whole US empire.There most certainly is a drawer with copies of everything gurm wrote, including majority of The Winds of Winter, there are CIA agents infiltrated among George s assistants and minions and staff, maybe even the housekeepers.It is highly likely that George even got cornered multiple times into writing a different kind of story.Preston is most certainly a CIA operative trying to rally the fandom into a certain direction, as exemplified by his reaction to the play, which had some faults, but he lets nothing slide and focuses more on the same complaints the twitter ao3 kinds have about is the Lyanna Rhaegar realtion, on which he was more balanced in the past, many of his theories are good but always he hand waves some stuff and his theories have this anti cathartic twist to the more generally accepted theories. George isnt a fan of catharsis, since ut indeed is boring and repetitive, but his story still rhymes and isnt anti cathartic like some post modernist bs.Anyonw who pushes the idea that George is this 2020 woke guy who wants to subvert everything like in some new Disney movie is either an idiot or most likely has an agenda, George's story is still fantasy, but with realistic outcomes and most importantly about the human heart in conflict with itself.
>>25438196Tyrion, it will be revealed he was Aerys' bastard child and Tywin hated him for that rather than being a dwarf.
>>25438202>focuses more on the same complaints the twitter ao3 kinds have about is the Lyanna Rhaegar realtion, on which he was more balanced in the pastI honestly agree. But you just gotta take the good with the bad sometimes with these kind of people, unless theyre literal manipulative obscuranist psychos. I think Preston has just been insanely swallowed up more than usual by the recent political climate, look how often he references epstein in that video. Unfortunately his criticisms are just correct, the play is a mess, I also give immense respect to people that care about characters having sensible motivations, not just fitting into the plot. And Elia's motivations to take down Aerys are as hollow as Preston points out. If it wasnt for this point I wouldnt have been as charitable to the rest of his criticisms. It is very very very easy to criticize something on technicalities. It is harder to notice and care about the fact that your characters are not actually people, you wouldn't believe how many people dont care about theur characters being people aslong as they remain characters that "fit" a contrived story, because that is the point of contrivance. To make things "flow" to be uncomplicated, simple, and surface level, and for many people thats all they can see.
>>25438210Poor tywin. He should have killed the monster but he saw joannas green eye
>>25438147>because it is. It isn’t. >Oily black stone is water element (squishers/mermen/walrusmen), while fused black stone is fire element (dragonlords).Not really. The point they’re making is that the original dragons were probably aquatic. Why do you morons always ignore that Asshai is said to be where dragons and such first originated? Presumably this is where fused stone magics would have originated. Asshai is a greasy ass city.The idea that greasy/oily stone shares an origin point with fused black stone isn’t at all fart fetched. In fact it’s largely pointed at.
>>25438315More than one maester in the canon thinks that whoever left the greasy sea stone chair on the iron islands are the same people who built the foundation of the Hightower. There’s also a strong maze like similarity with the mazes of Lorath. These cultures likely interacted. I think that when oily black stone is fused together it becomes dry. This is because dragonflame is used to melt/seal it.
>>25438315>The point they’re making is that the original dragons were probably aquatic.I like this explanation, I’m gonna go with that for my headcanon. Oily blackstone = sea dragon fish menDry black stone = land dragon lizard men
The undrowned god
>>25438196>Who>the>FUCK is the 3rd head?Could be anyone. >"Three heads of the dragon... yes... but the third will not nessesarily BE a Targaryen..." - GRRM in November 16 2000 at Sentry Box Books Signing (Calgary, Canada)
>>25437369Four more years
>>25438196>Who>the>FUCK is the 3rd head?Everybody is going to say Tyrion but I say that's too obvious, it'll instead be Bran but he won't have to ride a dragon in-person, he'll do it via warging thru the weirwood internet.
>>25438399What exactly is going to change between now and 2030?It's never coming out, bro. Time to get to Acceptance already everybody else finished the stages of grief ages ago
>>25438196Jon isn’t part of the three headed dragon. The three headed dragon is 3 evil fuckers who burn the world, dany and her two husbands Euron and Tyrion
God I hate the Ironborn. What a bunch of cringe-ass gayniggers.
Jon brightstone is the key to all this
>>25437336I've recently been in talks to get a book published, its only a small publisher, but a step up from self-publishing but the amount of changes they are demanding - this includes sex and race swaps has made me think GRRM reason for not writing anymore is due to this after seeing the the last few TV shows and its taking his ideas the wrong way and he cant say this is the reason due to political reasons keeping him silent. I could also see his motivation being destroyed with how shit the shows are vs the books, I once ran a TTRPG for over 20 years with the same group of friends, once after a party wipe a friend offered to GM so I could play for once, he kept it in the same world and stuff we all built over the years but I could see he had no heart in the world building I spent hours on a week and that left a bad taste in my mouth when it came back to me GMing and fleshing out what just happened in our last campaign.
https://tiermaker.com/create/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-houses-50858?downloadedImage=trueThoughts on my house rankings? This is going off my last reading
What’s with the insane retard regurgitating /x/tier tinfoil hat theories
>>25439178I’ll take that shit over talking about that faggy play
>>25437336i read the prologue of the first book. it was really fucking bad
>>25439344but enough about your diary
>>25438401>Time to get to Acceptance alreadybut how?
>>25437415they speculate Jon Con is condensed into Whent.
>>25438196Quentyn
>>25439571Quentyn is dead fella
>>25439344Elaborate or go home
What are the odds they'll film the play and put it out on streaming for the rest of us?
>>25439778Very high. It’s George and he and HBO love milking the franchise
Doesn't the play actually portray Elia Martell as a retard rather than a political genius? Lyanna Stark was betrothed to Robert. Betrothals are very important in this society. Rhaegar eloping with her was a grave insult to Robert/Baratheons. Elia in the play wanted to increase the standing of her house and plans to depose king aerys. Her plan is to get Rhaegar and subsequently her kids on the throne. Rather than asking Rhaegar to end the relationship between him and Lyanna, she encourages and even allows him to make her his 2nd wife. How is this a politically good move? It's the opposite. Ultimately her actions lead to the rebellion and her loved ones dying (also thanks to Brandons and rickards deaths and aerys wanting Robert and ned dead)
>>25438275>And Elia's motivations to take down Aerys are as hollow as Preston points out. If it wasnt for this point I wouldnt have been as charitable to the rest of his criticisms.No, he's a moron who hasn't even watched the fucking thing
>>25439905you don't really understand how normalfags think, let me try to illuminate things for youThey don't judge someone's intelligence by whether their actions make logical sense or are effective or anything like that. They judge their intelligence by how they act and how they speak. Elia probably girlbosses around on stage and uses flowery language and acts confident when making these dumb shit political moves. For normalfags, that is enough. All they care about is image.
>>25438074Roy Dotrice can moan
>half of the thirty years since ASOIAF creation has been waiting for a single novelUnfathomably grim.
>>25438315idk, maybe. Keep in mind, Asshai is also a port city, and has similarities with places like Yeen (except for being somewhat less cursed). Oily black stone is always near the ocean, as a rule. And the origin of dragons is shrouded in the mists of time.Admittedly there could be a relation or common origin, even if they are two different things.>fart fetchedlol>>25439905All I can think of is that Elia intentionally fomented the Rebellion, hoping it would be put down, and that Aerys would be weakened in the process. That would certainly achieve her goals, although that's a wild gamble, and one that ended up wiping her out.
>>25440021It's truly mindblowing He had SO MANY choices and he picked the road of not writing anything at all to turbo destroy his legacyHe could have split it into 2 books like dance/feastHe could have just extended the series beyond 7 booksHe could have ignored the main series and written spinoffs like d&e, instead those all languish at 40% completion as well Any of these and he receives universal acclaim. He is such a useless fucking idiot it's insane
I’m like a week late so I don’t know how the discourse has shaped up since the leaks started coming out, but the play surprised me positively with the characterizations they went with. Deranged Rhaella is better than Naerys 2.0Political involved Elia with hapless husband who is completely out of his depth.Ragebaiter Aerys.Robert presented as a charming if boisterous young man who gets completely hooked on Lyanna when she helps him through his grief.Irony of Lyanna becoming a barefoot tradwife bearing a prince’s son, etc.It’s probably the first time I’ve ever been excited by the potential of a Robert’s Rebellion show, so long as they tack on Harrenhal tourney as the 1st season (à la Dunk & Egg season 1).
>rhaegar was about to kill Robert but Robert got saved by divine intervention because a greenseer in the future saw that he needed to die so that so and so could happen Retarded deus ex machina
>>25438403A reminder that the gay stage play is not canon and should be ignored for the obvious propaganda it is.
>>25439905Aerys was insane it was impossible to work out any deal with him. Elia just wanted to get rid of him first and then deal with the rebels.Also Rhaegar in the play is completely broken, he defeats Robert without much trouble and would've won the throne if he didn't have a dream mid fight.
>>25440120Of all the stupid shit this play did, that change is by far the most egregious. Even woke cattle dislike it.
>>25439344The prologue is one of the best chapters in the book
>>25439905According to the latest leaks, that’s not what happens. At first, she just suggests that Rhaegar entertain Lyanna, who is the future lady of the Stormlands at this point (so winning a potential ally among both the Starks and Baratheons). Rhaegar and Lyanna becoming smitten with each other isn’t at all what she was planning for. Later in the play, her allowing Rhaegar to treat Lyanna as his second wife is her Hail Mary attempt at getting Rhaegar involved in the war again, because at this point he’s been in hiding for several months. It’s not at all ideal for her, but it’s her only way of bringing Rhaegar back into the fight and ensuring that at least her son will inherit after Rhaegar, if thr Targaryens can keep their throne.
>>25438403Just when I was getting curious enough to consider going to see this play, since I’m just one country over
>>25440120>he defeats Robert without much trouble and would've won the throne if he didn't have a dream mid fight.My favorite part of the play desu
>>25440263Why, it’s ass
>>25440263Kys
APOLOGIZE
>>25440395Sorry, Jon being resurrected and becoming King reinforces the patriarchy and toxic white male storytelling tropes so that plot point will no longer be included in winds :)
>>25440395Jon snow is dead and won’t be revived
>>25440317Its kino
>>25440540Mary sues aren’t kino they are faggoty and not Asoiaf
>>25440540No, THIS is fucking kino. Rhaegar losing because of an unskippable cutscene is cringe and retarded even if you're a targfag
>>25440644Sorry, it just is kino.
Why didn't the showrunners have Dany's hair burn in Drogo's funeral pyre? Did they fear the power of tomboy Daenerys?
>>25440666Kys
>>25440677Because they had fucking taste, at least in the early years, so all the major girls are hot with long hair and big tits
>>25440681Based
>>25440522Absolutely insane to me that there are still a huge portion of people that fully expect Jon to be revived, as if George didn’t explicitly state multiple times that he HATES cheapifying the stakes of death by bringing main characters back from the dead
>>25440687The novels feature several notable examples of resurrection. The officially endorsed TV adaptation which George wrote for and consulted on also features Jon being resurrected. Of course people expect it you fucking idiot
>>25440709>The officially endorsed TV adaptation which George wrote for and consulted on also features Jon being resurrectedAnd it’s no coincidence they removed faegon. Do the math and add 2 and 2 together
>>25440713Faegon takes Cersei's role in the later seasons...they even had the golden company just to make it obvious for retards such as yourself.
>>25440722Dany and Aegon team up and do the whole dany is jealous of the small folks love thing, then they have a falling out, leading to the second dance of dragons (which George confirmed for the books and never happened in the show) then Aegon gets the Cersei show treatment and is killed with joncon while hiding in kings landing as the bells ring
>>25440750But don’t worry. Jon will survive through ghost, the last shot of the series is ghost wandering into the north
>>25440687>as if George didn’t explicitly state multiple times that he HATES cheapifying the stakes of death by bringing main characters back from the deadbrother there are characters in this story that are revived SEVERAL times
>>25440760Yeah so he better not revive Jon or he’s a triple hypocrite
>>25440764Thrice damned
>>25440687GRRM has explicitly said he's writing Jon chapters for TWOW, it's insane to me that there are a huge portion of people that don't expect him to be revived when he's right fucking by a red priestess who has an entire chapter from her viewpoint just to confirm that the Lord of Light is sending her constant visions of him.
>>25440779You're wasting your breath, these retards live in denial. They ignore the show plot points even though they know GRRM gave them the broad strokes, because Stannis loses and that makes them upset.
>>25440779George wants you to think he’ll be revived because that’s what any other book would do. But they never learn, no matter how many times George hammers it home, they’ll always look for a familiar pattern
>>25440794Two bastards fighting over the north and Jon being let out of his vows because he actually died is just perfect. The entire setting - emnity between stark and bolton, the culture around bastardry, the culture of the north, the geography of the north - was crafted to enable this confrontation.
>>25440804D&D thought so too
>>25440794George does set up and payoff like any other author and Jon being revived has been set up and will be paid off. What you describe is a random events plot where George just writes to troll the reader and do the opposite of common fan theories, which has never been how he writes.
>>25440825He kinda does tho is the funny thing >so the readers thought Ned was the protagonist, I killed him off unexpectedly so naturally the fans think oh Robb is the protagonist, he will avenge his father and become king. So of course I had to kill him Direct quote from George
>>25440830Yes, he set up and paid off that this is an ensemble cast and even heroic characters can make mistakes and be punished for them. Ned and Robb's deaths were blatantly set up in all their chapters. This is because he follows basic literary conventions, for instance setting up that Jon will be betrayed for multiple chapters and then setting up that he will be revived for multiple chapters. That's his entire gardener approach. Tell me this, genuinely delusional retard, putting aside the fact that he's already confirmed he's writing Jon chapters for TWOW, what literary point would Melisandre's chapters fucking serve if she did NOT revive Jon?
>>25440821That's your argument, bro? It happened in the tv show, so it can't be canon? You're fucking retarded.
>>25440830Robb wasn't even a POV character tho
>>25440856lol George regrets not making Robb a pov exactly for this reason, it would have been even more shocking. George loves to troll his readers
>>25440863I'm glad he didn't, Catelyn is the more interesting POV
>>25439672just read any given anons fantasy posted here. It is written just like that
>>25440209now I know where all of /lit/s shit writing comes from I guess
>>25440863He regrets not making Robb a POV because Jeyne would have been less jarring, not to troll readers into another Ned situation.
I think we will eventually get Winds of Winter. Even if ol' George kicks the bucket before releasing it, he'll have written enough for someone to post-humously cobble together something.But we ain't getting that last book. Hopefully we'll at least get interesting notes with plot details.
i have a feeling one of these days i'm going to check lit and see a sticky about gurm dying
>>25440932Hopefully some day soon, the series will not be finished until he's dead
>>25440934depends on how devoted his estate is to his wishes. he says he wants his manuscripts burned but historically that doesn't often happen so it's seems likely something will be released, whatever that is
>>25440939Hundreds of millions of dollars and billions of gratefuul fans or the spiteful, hate filled wish of a dead man. Yeah there's no way his will is honoured
I just realized that when grrm said “if she had dragons it might have gone differently”, when Hilary lost, he wasn’t saying he wishes Hilary had dragons because he wanted her to win. He was hinting at the future dance of dragons plot point where Aegon wins the popular vote so dany just burns him
>>25440990kek so dumb
>>25440257how does allowing him to treat lyanna as a second wife convince him to get involved in the war?
nissa nissa, the progenitor of the Valyrian bloodline, had her dna spliced into the dragons, and so only her decedents can claim them
>>25441284Also that’s why Targaryens want to fuck their moms I think
>>25441284Imagine the black goo from Prometheus but with lil worms in it
>both ned and robert are cucksholy kek bravo gurm
>>25440687Imagine missing the point this hard, George's issue with Gandalf coming back isn't the ressurection itself, is the complete lack of consequences>the valar wanted me back so here i am, now lets continue the story lol
>>25441448So what is the consequence for Jon coming back? Will he lose himself like Beric was or Stoneheart did? Most people expect that it will be old Jon again, with white hair maybe, and his reaction to R+L=J will be not too different than that of how he would react in book 5 if he learned then.
>>25441356Ned is not a cuck, he just had a crush on a girl that didn't reciprocate. Robert is a cuck and he has been confirmed a cuck since the first book.
>>25441356Robert being a cuck isn't cringe it's based, this is an incest website
Robert wasn’t a cuck. He was playing the long game and was soon going to take a prime Myrcella into his bed.Making Cersei and Jaime deliver his next wife to him on a silver platter.
>>25441356While not exactly character assassination it was always a little weird that Ned seemingly gave no shits about Ashara in those 15 year, specially if she really is Jon's mother, now it makes more sense. Plus them getting cucked and being close friends for so long makes sense with both being tied to their sorrows and such but maybe i'm reading too much into it.>>25441469R+L=J is clearly not canon in the book
>R+L=J is clearly not canon in the book
>>25441981You're a fat retard
>>25441469Jon may be more or less than he was, who knows? I can guarantee his character doesn't stay the same. Since he's still a pov the changes will be gradual and maybe subtle but definitely noticeable. Personally i would've removed him from being a pov and made whatever change he undergoes more drastic but George likes his Aragorn so he stays i guess.
Has any fictional work done more damage to the popular understanding of a historical period than ASOIAF?
>>25440946this>>25440920also this>>25438315>>25440056to add onto this exchange, I was kind of conflating you with those anons who insist that oily black stone & fused stone are totally the same thing bro!!! when clearly there's a difference in magical elements & background. But it doesn't have to be all one or the other -- splitting off from a common origin is a plausible middle ground.>>25440681this, also she's the blood of the dragonbreaking up post due to gay ass spam filter again. why does it think it's spam when I reply to a bunch of anons?
>>25441448I see that point, although tbf, Gandalf was a Maiar and above ordinary beings. Sauron also died in the drowning of Numenor and resurrected, the cost being that he could no longer assume a fair form.>>25441987>>25442186At this point, going against R+L=J, or Jon warging into ghost and being resurrected, would be TLJ levels of "subverting expectations".
>>25442186Sorry blud, that theory was stupid 20 years ago but now its just silly
Speaking as a tourist but it always make me smile how people talk about GRRMs vision or his plans or his blah blah blah as if there's a snowballs chance in hell that he's going to finish those books. His thoughts on the story are no better than fanfiction at this point, well, worse because fanficters actually write.
>>25441448If GRRM came out of reading LOTR thinking there's a lack of consequences solely because of Gandalf I might actually think he got Autism.
>>25442296Yes, obviously dumbass. I guess you could say ASOIAF has done more damage to the type of retards that think of the medieval period no longer as an abstract set of features, but think of Westeros as historically realistic
>>25442312Are you actually retarded or am i missing something? How exactly is R+L=J not borderline disproven?
>Cersei doesn't marry in the books, gives a massive middle finger to tradition>Instead takes a suitor from each major house she can find, Baratheon, Greyjoy, Tyrell, Frey, in order to produce potential heirs and Lannister influence>Wait until bastards come of age and then legitimises them What happens next, is it another Aegon IV scenario but worse
>>25441448It’s not even the consequences of Gandalf’s redirection that George Hates, it’s that it ruins that moment when Gandalf this badass wizard just dies in the middle of the story, making it so you’re always on edge because anyone could die at any minute, even those we think have plot armor and are the most important. He loved that the hobbits now have to find their own way without this leader figure carrying them on their backs. That’s what the nights watch is now. They and the wildlings will now have to find a way to stop the others without Jon, and that’s what makes it so fun and good
>>25442331>His thoughts on the story are no better than fanfiction at this point, well, worse because fanficters actually write.Made me smile. You have a point tbtbh>>25442296What historical period? Westeros has never claimed to be a clone of Medieval Europe any more than Konosuba has
>>25442347Why would it be disproven?
>>25442381Westeros is really obviously supposed to be Britain. The narrow sea is the channel and the wall is Hadrian's wall. Other locations, like the free cities, valyria, asshai whatever are ultimately set dressing and irrelevant to the real plot action that all happens in Westeros. This mirrors real life where every ethnic group and culture outside of great britain and it's colonies is ultimately irrelevant and exists to provide flavour
>>25442381GRRM has made the claim that it's mostly correct.>“Now there are people who will say to that, ‘Well, he’s not writing history, he’s writing fantasy—he put in dragons, he should have made an egalitarian society.’ Just because you put in dragons doesn’t mean you can put in anything you want. If pigs could fly, then that’s your book. But that doesn’t mean you also want people walking on their hands instead of their feet. If you’re going to do [a fantasy element], it’s best to only do one of them, or a few. I wanted my books to be strongly grounded in history and to show what medieval society was like, and I was also reacting to a lot of fantasy fiction. Most stories depict what I call the ‘Disneyland Middle Ages’—there are princes and princesses and knights in shining armor, but they didn’t want to show what those societies meant and how they functioned.So some magic, some dragons, some other bullshit but it tries to "Show what those societies meant and how they functioned"
>>25442400>Westeros is really obviously supposed to be BritainWhere in Britain would you find a Dorne-like region?Does Scotland go all the way to the North Pole?
>>25442408>Where in Britain would you find a Dorne-like region?Wessex>Does Scotland go all the way to the North Pole?Yes
>>25442347>How exactly is R+L=J not borderline disproven?The opposite is true lmao
>>25442408kek this dumbass doesnt know geography
>>25442389I wouldn't say disproven, just heavily leaning towards it not being the case. If Ashara and Brandon had a kid it could only be Jon.
>>25442451The play said that Ashara miscarried and that Jon is Lyanna's kid with Rhaegar.
>>25442451The play has Jon explicitly be Rhaegar and Lyanna's kid if that's what you're referring to.
>>25442455I mean yeah everything needs to lead into season 8 of the show, it would obviously not be the case for the books lol
>>25442467So what the fuck are you basing that it's been disproven on?
>>25442467The only thing that's obvious is your lack of intelligence
Imagine if house Beesbury took the throne instead of Robert. It would bee sweet,>>25440920>>25440946Elio and Linda will write Winds, Dream, and possibly an eight book to finish. They're take whatever GRRM wrote, his notes, and compile them into coherent novels. They won't bee great, but they'll finish the story with GRRM's intended beats.
>>25442496I literally just said i wouldn't even say "disproven" per se. I'm discussing what nuggets of truth can be found in the play and the kid dying only makes sense for the show because there's no Edric in that continuity. You were not supposed to take the leaks verbatim when the books and the show have vastly different plots.
I can't believe this fat retard thinks he can resolve Stannis, Aegon's landing, Daenerys' landing, the entire Long Night including the Wall falling, Euron's whole bullshit, a post-long night civil war and all the other billion plot threads he's created in just TWO books. It's literally not possible to cover that much ground in a satisfactory way. It would be rushed to shit. If he did actually sit down and write them (he won't) they would be some of the worst novels ever written. He should've just finished Dunk&Egg for fucks sake
>>25442593So you get to pick and choose what you think is canon from the play based on what exactly?
>>25442602Logic. In the show there's no Edric and Jon plays himself and the part that will likely be of Aegon because the dragon doesn't have 3 heads there and there's no AA or lightbringer. You're free to elaborate on how i'm wrong though.
>>25442616This is a non-sequitur. The show not having Edric does not prove that Ashara was pregnant with Ned's child. Also what does Edric even have to do with Ashara's pregnancy?
>>25440939I don't know the context for him saying this but I kind of feel like thats the kind of thing you say so that an insane fan doesn't kill you to get the plot of your books sooner.
>>25442596He doesn't think that. That's why he's not writing anything.
They were 7 against 3
>>25442593The play is book continuity because Whent is at the TOJ and the play explicitly has Jon be Rhaegar and Lyanna's kid, wtf are you even arguing?
>>254426743s that are opposed to 7s = 3 headed dragon symbol, opposed to the 7 godsWhent therefore has to have dragon in him. Dayne and Hightower come from dragon stock of proto Valyria, so that tracks. The only way it works is if Oswell defends from aemond
>>25442624It isn't. Think of it as a game of musical chairs where the show only has one with the promised prince prophecy and Jon fulfilling that role as the secret dragon. That is it. On the books the plot is more complex and there would be many chairs, three for the dragonriders, one for Azor, one for Nissa, one for lightbringer and one for the promised prince. Even with overlap there's no single person wearing all of those hats. Edric is Jon's milk brother that is, they were nursed as infants by the same wet nurse. R+L=J would have you believe that some unnamed Dayne nicknamed his son after Eddard for reasons and that instead Ashara had a miscarriage. I'm saying she didn't and since both her and Brandon have dark hair...
>>25442746I don't follow. Are you saying Edric is Eddard's son? How would his hair color be explained by that since Eddard also has dark hair?Also he was born several years after Ashara died by Arya's estimate and Edric's own admission. He would have to be a severely undeveloped teen for him to successfully lie about that.
>“We knew that Sheepstealer's rider, that character causes extreme strife for Daemon and Rhaenyra's relationship. And that was sort of the place that we started in. We felt in Season 2 that we were telling the story of the dragonseeds pretty completely and robustly in terms of all the different walks of life that come to riding dragons,” Condal explained. “And it felt like pairing a wild dragon with a lady of noble blood that then becomes somewhat feral herself, which is a very interesting story to tell that helped keep us at the core of where we wanted to take Rhaenyra and Daemon's relationship.”>Condal continued, “It did not feel like, to us, an infidelity story [between Daemon and Nettles] was someplace that we wanted to go with Daemon and Rhaenyra given everything they had been through to this point. I think the audience really wants to see this couple work out, but they both have inextricable natures to them that they can only get so far away from. And we see that playing out with Daemon over the course of the season. What did Condal mean by this?
>>25442774He meant that he's a retard who couldn't have used any of the other various rumors surrounding Daemon and Nettles for the show.
I have an odd desire to read ASOIAF finally.
>>25442756Obviously not, until now we didn't even have confirmation that Ashara had children, Edric would be Lyanna's with Jon being Ashara's. >Also he was born several years after Ashara died by Arya's estimate and Edric's own admission. He would have to be a severely undeveloped teen for him to successfully lie about that.Well idk, he could be lying (or have been lied to) but he does let on that he wanted to talk to Eddard at the Hand's tourney
>>25442838Yeah I really was hankering for another black tomboy daughter, cuz it was so much fun the first two times
>>25442854>Edric would be Lyanna's with Jon being Ashara's.Edric was still born years after Lyanna died.
>>25442858Her just being a rando who Daemon takes an interest in because she tamed a dragon with no Valyrian blood would be what I'd do, no need for more complicated family dynamics.
>>25442878>she tamed a dragon with no Valyrian bloodDo brown people just have magical brown powers in the asoiaf universe?
>>25442882A huwhite person could conceivably tame a dragon too. Arya and Cannibal would probably get on well.
>>25442884Strange that the dragonlords wasted their time on bloodmagic and incest then, they could've just chosen to be brown instead.
>>25442886Dany already figured that out by tanning herself.
>>25442890Are you referring to the fanart where she's always brown?
>>25442878That’s gay. Nettles is gay in the books too. They should have just had daemon be lone wolf, fuck that hack surrogate daddy shit
>>25442891Well she did tan a bit in the books but yes I'm referring to the fanart where they somehow think tan = brown. They love doing that with Jon as well because somehow northerners = Sami and to them all Sami are brown.
Aemond did mommy play with Alys because he wanted to fuck his mom They should have had daemon do daughter play with nettles because he wants to fuck his daughters for the symmetry, but they are cowards and daemon is neutered
>The dragon abducts the princess to the top of a tower.Deconstruction done well. Especially if it's morally gray, he seduces but misleads Lyanna who is young and naive, holding her captive while the kingdom burns because of it. Works great for both characters.>Cool guy prince and misunderstood tomboy girl who won't be held down by their station and societal expectations (completely reasonable ones) who cause the deaths of their families by absconding to take long naps together (They both have powers but they're different powers, different as ice and fire. like heaven and hell.)This might actually ruin the series for me, and the worst of all is the series is now in some limbo where I can't even judge for myself because it's being put forth in the worlds gayest medium.
>>25442864Again, allegedly. He's one of those characters that Martin conveniently doesn't describe, even though he exists since the first book while his (only?) speaking role comes in a ASOS.
>>25442913Ok but Arya says he looks like he's 12 and he says he's 12. You're saying he's a 16 yo that's so underdeveloped he passes for a 12 yo. That's a stretch and very convenient.
>>25442915And more stupid than Jon just being Rhagear and Lyanna's considering his age perfectly matches.
>>25442915Height and personally are the things that would matter the most to a child when trying to guess someone's age. The entire chapter makes him look meek and if he is the same height or not much taller than Arya, when he turns and says he's twelve she would have no reason to doubt him. A bit tangential but still on the topic, despite Edric being the one who brings up the subject of Jon's mother, when Arya actually presses for an answer he doesn't respond, merely stating that Wylla is his wet nurse. Which seems to me like either Wylla herself told him all of this or he himself is lying.
>>25442965This is a huge stretch and I have no idea why you'd think that the confirmation that Ashara was pregnant somehow validates this.
>>25442913>Again, allegedly.No, he's confirmed as 12 years old in the appendix
>>25442970It really isn't that big of stretch, you're acting like short people are freaks of nature. And the pregnancy doesn't confirm or validate anything, it's merely another dot to form a line.
Man the hoops people will jump through to deny R+L=J
>>25442985Puberty does not affect only height.
>>25442903Martin has been in the targaryen jerking off phase for how long now?
>>25443071If only he would jerk them off in old valyria instead.
>>25442903I think it's worse that Robert only won because Rhaegar schizoed out.
>>25442989The alternative is that Eddard went down to Starfall to drop Arthur's sword and three years later either Wylla or some Dayne lord nicknames his son "Ned" for no reason. Even if Jon is Lyanna's saying that both Neds never even met feels silly, hence why i believe they are of similar age.
>>25443092Definitely that as well. Rhaegar, Lyanna and Roberts stories all nuked to shit. As a single event the fight is the most egregious, but it's also the most likely to be pure spin for the play.
>>25443093Naming a kid after someone else does not require that kid meeting the person they're named after lmao. See: Robert Arryn or Rhaegar Frey. Edric isn't even fully named after Eddard, their names are ultimately spelled differently in the full forms. I'm not even sure in your theory why the Daynes would give Ashara and Brandon's son to Ned while keeping Edric, who in your theory I assume is Rhaegar and Lyanna's kid and named after Ned for some reason.
>>25443108>Edric isn't even fully named after EddardCorrect! Which makes it way more on the nose when you nickname the kid Ned when otherwise there would be no reason to>why the Daynes would give Ashara and Brandon's son to Ned while keeping EdricBecause if Rhaegar's kid had white hair that would've been the only way to keep the boy safe. And again the leaks seem to imply that everyone was pretty much on board with Rhaegar and his dreams/plans so that also tracks
>>25442903Actually this being the best twist George could think of to portray Rhaegar in a good light after years of thinking might explain why the series is dead.
>>25443092The Rhaegar has a dream mid fight is so fucking lame... hopefully its another show-only thing. Same for the Lyanna is a fucking GREENSEER somehow lol silly Bran didn't know he could be one without going north of the wall
>>25443131>Because if Rhaegar's kid had white hair that would've been the only way to keep the boy safe. And again the leaks seem to imply that everyone was pretty much on board with Rhaegar and his dreams/plans so that also tracksSo why would Ned take Brandon and Ashara's son? Why would the Daynes let Ned take the only remaining piece of Ashara when there's no need because Brandon's son is not remotely in any danger? Why would they name a kid that they're trying to keep hidden after the brother of his fucking mother and then allow him to go with Beric to King's Landing in full sight of the king who hates that boy's father? Compare that to Ned's behavior concerning Jon, which makes far more sense if, you know, Jon is Rhaegar's son. Because Ned wouldn't have to fucking lie if he was Brandon's bastard.
>>25442903Theatre can be extremely impressive as a storytelling medium for sharp writing. But you're right in this case - musical theatre with niggers is extremely gay and I guarantee all the praise is false.
>>25443135Kys
>>25443249Nvm I’m retarded and read wrong I’m leaving for a while from shame
>>25443172Because people talk and he came with a baby so he needs to leave with a baby? You didn't think this one through did you lolI don't know what to tell you, it's a nickname. At the end of the day many years have passed, ashen hair is not exactly unheard of in Westeros and the kid's name is Edric. Its only on the nose for us the readers.
>>25443313>Because people talk and he came with a baby so he needs to leave with a baby? You didn't think this one through did you lolA baby that has a completely different hair color and eye color, yes. You didn't respond to the point about why he needs to lie about Brandon's bastard.
>>25443317Yes i think hiding the contenance of a newborn is perfectly within the realm of possibility. Hiding the mere existence of said newborn however wouldn't be so easy. And call me retard but i think there would be a few questions if he just left a kid there and questions to one infant would invariably draw suspicion to the other. Fortunately he's smarter and took the kid he could claim its his.
>>25443362So you think they had an elaborate baby swap plan to maintain appearances, involving taking Ashara's baby away from his family and Lyanna's baby from his family, and the Daynes just carelessly let Edric go to King's Landing. Did they lie to Edric about his age and that's why he told Arya that? That would be very hard to pull off. Or maybe they told Edric the truth and he of his own volition decided to lie about his age? If Ned had Brandon's bastard, why not at least tell Catelyn so she wouldn't hate him instead of telling her that Jon was his? Your theory has a billion questions that makes the whole thing look stupid vs the pretty much unassailable R+L=J, which has absolutely no objections besides "George isn't doing it because according to me it's cliche bro"
>the worst is yet to comeWhen he dies we are going to find out the farthest he got with Winds was those preview chapters and nothing else
>>25443417This is the most direct admission he could make that he will never work on the series again without outright saying it. It's over.
>>25443366It's not rocket science, they concocted a plan when Lyanna's popped a fair haired baby>Did they lie to EdricEdric knows everything, beyond just being unfeasible it would literally be impossible. The Dayne are a big house, very old, people know them. So naturally the question of from whom this kid is would arise and they couldn't simply invent a Dayne out of thin air. So to one who knows them they would have to say he is Ashara's and just avoid the subject with everyone else. In fact him bringing Jon's parentage out of nowhere was probably a misguided attempt at helping Jon (and himself) maintain their hidden identities. >Your theory has a billion questionsEvery conjecture brings a dozen other questions silly>unassailable R+L=JLook i just don't think Jon is Azor AND another secret Targ, that's it. And R+L=J requires you to contort yourself to explain how he can be both. So given the sheer amount of foreshadowing on him being AA, i tend to lean towards that.
>>25443503>Edric knows everything, beyond just being unfeasible it would literally be impossible. The Dayne are a big house, very old, people know them. So naturally the question of from whom this kid is would arise and they couldn't simply invent a Dayne out of thin air. So to one who knows them they would have to say he is Ashara's and just avoid the subject with everyone else. In fact him bringing Jon's parentage out of nowhere was probably a misguided attempt at helping Jon (and himself) maintain their hidden identities.They did invent a Dayne out of thin air, wtf do you mean. He's not considered a bastard, he's considered the rightful heir of the older brother of Ashara and Arthur and is head of House Dayne after Lord Dayne died. The mechanics required to fake Edric being a legitimate Dayne despite supposedly being a Targaryen (according to you) beggars belief. No one looks that much into Jon because he's supposedly a wartime bastard, making Edric the legitimate heir of House Dayne, one of the most important Dornish houses, would be stupid if the intent is to keep him lowkey.>Look i just don't think Jon is Azor AND another secret Targ, that's it. And R+L=J requires you to contort yourself to explain how he can be both. So given the sheer amount of foreshadowing on him being AA, i tend to lean towards that.Jon in fact might not be AA, or it might be more complicated than it being one person. Jon being AA is far more in doubt from my perspective than him being a secret Targ. Even if he IS AA and a secret Targ, how would that be weird? The woods witch did say TPTWP would come from Aerys and Rhaella's line. Jon being AA and a secret Targ doesn't necessarily mean he's going to have a generic fantasy hero's journey, it would most certainly suck for him to be AA and a Targ.
>>25443417We aren't getting the books, but I don't think the blog post is really an indicator of that.>The worst is yet to comeRefers to all of his friends dying.
>>25443518I was discussing Edric in the context of him being the secret Targ bastard and how there's likely no unnamed Dayne as his father but nevermind that, is not important.>Jon being AA is far more in doubt from my perspective than him being a secret TargElaborate, i honest to God can not see how anyone can read Jon's chapters and not come to the certainty that he is Azor, because the books are THAT blatant with just how much hints and lore are dropped every other chapter either through the actual plot or Mel. And the thing is that even if the Azor Ahai hat can be worn by multiple people, it is still crystal clear to me that Jon will end up as THE guy himself at least in-universe. I say this on the basis of his resurrection alone, nevermind a possible lightbringer however that may come.
>>25443604I think Jon will definitely have an important role, but Mel asking for AA and seeing Jon seems a little on the nose in the same way Dany getting called AA is very on the nose. Mel believing Jon is AA will definitely be important to the plot, not least because it means she will revive him, but I don't think it will be as simple as him being the super special prophesized savior. It might be ambiguous who is AA even by the end of the series if things play out in a way that multiple people might have fulfilled the prophecy. That seems more up George's alley. I'm surprised you think that there are more AA hints for Jon than him being a secret Targ prince, the books all but hit you on the head with it, from the physical descriptions of him being lithe and a pretty boy to his fighting style to all the ironic lines about him (a prince shouldn't fight a bastard with Joffrey, kings are a rare sight in the north, Jon's mother left none of herself in him, etc) to Jon's dreams about the Kings of Winter judging him. I mean it beats you over the fucking head with it.
>>25443417Basically admitting that he hasn't written anything...wtf has he been doing all year?? My last cope was that his silence was going to lead to SOMETHING at his one scheduled appearance at the end of August. I need to break my habit of checking in on this raped franchise....
>>25443417Rage against the dying of the light…
>>25443417it’s over
>>25443628and nothing of value was lost
>>25443417>Remember when I flippantly brushed off concerns about getting too old to finish my books?>Yeah, about that...
>>25442596>this fat retard thinks he can resolveHe doesn't, he just won't admit it publicly.
>>25443417Yet more “he’s dindu nuffin, he’s a good boy” if you check out the reddit threads reacting to this.I don’t know why they ignore that he’s had 15 years to produce something, anything, and hasn’t (except Fire & Blood which is shite). It’s not like his fans are hounding him to write the ending when he published the last book two years ago.He had 15 years of peace and quiet, and did nothing with them, so it’s hard to be app that empathetic.
>>25443093The alternative that the Daynes respected Ned and gave one of their children a name similar to his is much simpler than the complicated baby swap you're suggesting that doesn't even fit the timeline.
today is the day.
>>25442596>Stannis rapes the Boltons and Freys, becomes King of the Seven kingsdoms(in the North)>Aegon will die for some stupid reason as a troll death>Daenerys will do nothing>The wall will fall at the very end of Winds, stay tuned for Spring>Euron will 1v1 Lord Hightower in a wizard duel and get raped>Daenerys does show for the last book and kills everyone with dragonsThere easy peasy
Everyone expects Stannis to die eventually, so I am certain he'll be the very last man standing
He deserves to be replaced by AI.Eventually LLMs will be sophisticated enough to concoct authentic plot twists
I wonder if he’s under contract and is unable to say he’s given up for contractual reasons because it is clearly evident he has.
>>25444105didn't he get payed in advance?
>>25444105Yes, notorious contract follower George… who put a multi-million HBO tentpole TV show on his blog because they gave dragons the wrong number of legs and removed his favorite OC. How do people even believe this?It’s just his pride / denialism. He won’t ever admit that he can’t do it. Much better to keep using excuses like “I’m so busy”, “I have so much travel”, “muh other works”, etc.
>>25444188>who put a multi-million HBO tentpole TV show on his blog because they gave dragons the wrong number of legs and removed his favorite OC. How do people even believe this?kek now you say it like that, it's hones in that he really doesn't give a shit and his fans just make excuses for him
>>25443417The saddest part about this isn't knowing that he'll never finish Winds, let alone the rest of the series. I think deep down we all already knew that.The saddest part about this post is how it more or less confirms that he'll truly never allow anyone else to posthumously finish ASOIAF for him after he inevitably prematurely croaks.Fat selfish prick. I genuinely love GRRM but I cannot fucking stomach him.
>>25444203I wonder if anyone would even want it now. It's probably a bitch to pick up, you've got a rattled fanbase that hates the planned ending, and the author, you have a writer who uses a typewriter and no digital writing tools and a series that has an immense about of pressure on it that will never live up to expectations.What could happen is that when he dies, any manuscripts will be bundled together and sold for a quick buck. Downside is that he has no Christopher Tolkien in the wings to tidy it all up because of his pride. What will likely happen is nothing is released. We accept the shitty ending that we got in the show, HBO MCUs the fuck out of the franchise whilst it still has a bit of life in it and then it'll be forgotten after that. And it will all be his fault.
>>25442903People died because Aerys is an evil schizo Rhaegar and Lyanna did nothing wrong
>>25437979its a shame they've stopped making any more art for asoiaf indefinitely because they don't have any more time. was my favourite character artist for the series.
>>25444203No one else can finish ASOIAF. Its like how Berserk ended when Miura passed away.
>>25444007I said in a satisfactory way anon obviously it's possible otherwise. Could wrap up the whole series in one sentence, "rocks fall everybody dies", doesn't make it worthwhile
>>25442308>clearly there's a difference in magical elements & backgroundAsshai, the Shadow, are said to be the homeland of dragons, or where the first dragon breeders came from, and they’re said to have taught the Valyrians this art or craft. You need dragon flame to make fused black stone. Asshai is a greasy black stone city. What does this fucking tell you? They’re probably sourced to the same culture.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Asshai is made of fused oily stone or some combination of the two.
>>25444203>wanting another Sanderson You’re more disgusting than he is.
>>25444203You're a retard and the only tragedy here is that despite everything he says, the fat fuck can't stop picking up the phone every time hbo calls
>>25444296>no one elseNo one at all, it seems
>>25444291Does Arya look *that* much like a boy?
Original True Theory: There are only three Targaryens in existance symbolized by the three headed dragon wrongly attributed to the conqueror by maesters. These are effectively old gods from Valyria who reincarnate or possess pure blooded Valyrians or whatever. The strong repeating characteristics of Targ rulers are the embodiment of this or something.
PUT US OUT OF OUR FUCKING MISERY GEORGE
>>25444701A sexy boy, yes
>>25444808i don't see the resemblance
>>25444712And their true names? Vhagar Balerion and Meraxes
>>25444712Three immortal reincarnating agents of chaos and their mortal enemies, the seven reincarnating agents of order
https://x.com/i/status/2084689562920517918It's weird having r+l confirmed. Like yeah we all knew for years but it's just weird having it actually confirmed from a direct work of George. I still held on hope that Ned was his father
“For a thousand thousand years the sea and the sky have been at war.“-Aeron damphair Seadragon vs air dragon civil war, oily black is seadragon fused black is sky dragon
What author should I give a chance to if I'm looking for someone Martin-like but who has actually finished what he started?
>>25444999>Ned let Jon go to the wall because he was told to let him choose his own path without knowing his true parentsLyanna you dumb bitch!
>>25444999Nice double trips, but there's something you got wrong: Jon is not Rhaegar's son, but Aerys'
>>25445009What if he hadn't taken the black? Would he have stayed up north to guard Winterfell against the Ironlads or fought in the vanguard against the Lannisters?
>>25445009Eddard allowed Jon to join the watch because it made life easier for him. He wouldn't have been troubled by his betrayal of Robert any longer. He was a pretty shit uncle
>>25445005Wondering this as well. I've heard weirdly the expanse likened to ASOIAF, and First Law. Wonder if anybody else whos a GRRM super fan has a better eye for this stuff
>>25445035>>25445005Expanse and First Law feel close but they don’t scratch the itch that ASOIAF did for me. Expanse is good for the political plot that ASOIAF does well (the authors are also former assistants/protégées of George) and First Law has good POV characters. First Law is closest I’d say and the characters are written well and it has a good villain. It’s a lot more simple than ASOIAF whereas Expanse is grander.
>>25445045I wouldn't say I like ASOIAF for the power plays/politics per se, more like the wealth of psychological complexity.King Fatso has got a great theory of mind, he is great at thinking like characters very different from him in terms of upbringing, gender, age, peculiarities, that's why the books feel so rewarding to read
>>25445021Almost certainly would have been part of Robb's guard and would have died at the Whispering Woods or the Red Wedding. Taking the black definitely did save his life.
>>25445085>Taking the black definitely did save his lifeWho's gonna tell him?
>>25445085>whispering woodI don't know, I think Ghost would have stopped him getting skewered by the Kingslayer. He makes it to the red wedding and maybe even survives that, since Cat would've prevented him from being inside the hall
>>25445074There's nothing psychologically complex about Joffrey or Ramsay. Or many of the characters but that's a different argument for another day.
>>25445074>>25445097i mean he sort of does. you get flashes of character every now and then but the text always goes to great lengths to remind you that it was written by a fat hippie who got bullied
>>25445097Joffrey and Ramsay aren't POV character and sometimes people are just shitheads.
>>25445085>Whispering WoodLess than 200 Stark soldiers died there out of 6000 deployed.Even assuming being in the vanguard increases his exposition to danger, the odds are still something like 10% against 90%
>>25445097>There's nothing psychologically complex about Joffrey or RamsayCorrect, because both IRL and in these books, not everyone has a rich mental and emotional life.But a lot of people do, and that's why there's actual genius in possessing a valid theory of mind for multiple and vastly different individuals
>>25445125My point was more that he has two pretty risky places that he'd likely die. Even if he made it past Whispering Wood, he's almost certainly dead at the Red Wedding, whether he's in the hall or not. Not that being part of the Watch is much safer, but at least there he's not being guided towards the biggest "rocks fall, everyone dies" event in the series. The only thing that might have saved Jon is that Robb might have sent him north after the Ironborn attacks.
If a Red Wedding and a Purple Wedding exist, there must also be a Blue Wedding somewhere in the story, waiting to appear
>>25445133You simply do not understand what the word "psychologically" means, if you are going with the brainlet midwit retard "Erm some people are just like that!" take, which is a fundamentally pre psychology "People were too retarded to understand the human mind" pre 1800s perspective.Fucking retards. Will use grand intelligent sounding words to dicksuck their favourite authors without even understanding anything about those words. Like the same type of retards that praise GRRM for being so historically realistic, because the average normgroid isn't just an ignorant retard, but an ignorant retard that thinks the feelings and vibes of how realistic something is, grounded in nothing, is meaningful.
>>25445174>grand intelligent sounding wordsEr, "psychological" is a very common term in the modern world.Are you writing from 1912 or something?
>>25445009The Wall is where he needs to be.
>>25445085>>25445094>>25445142That's assuming the red wedding even happens, Robb fucks Jeyne because he is in despair after hearing Bran and Rickon have been killed but if Jon is there they most likely grieve together meaning the Westerling girl doesn't get into Robbs bed meaning he doesn't piss of Walder Frey by breaking the marriage pactOf course the Freys might end up betraying them anyway since Walder is a shit and Tywin was working to get him on his side already
>>25440932>>25443417
Rip George, I’m sorry I said mean things to you, I feel bad now that you are dying
>>25445447I don't think Walder would betray Robb if he had a Frey queen. That's not a politically savvy backstab at that point, since the Lannisters aren't offering anything on that level (replacing the Tully's would be a sideways move at that point). He might withdraw troops or push for a white peace but nothing like outright betrayal.
>>25445005>>25445035>>25445045Don't tell anyone I told you this but: Crown of Stars.
>>25445633>Setting: An alternate, medieval Europe dealing with political civil war, religious friction, and an inhuman northern threat called the Eika.Who ripped of who?Also, female author? Really, brother?
>>25445633George borrow ideas from this? Could this hold some secret not yet widely known? Just reading a little about it gets my senses tingling
>>25445801Ayo…….
>>25445801Dude……
>>25445005/sffg/ told me to try Hythrun Chronicles. She started the series after being inspired by George and finished it. There was a pretty decent review on the archive that got me to order a copy, but I've been so stacked with work I haven't read it yet.
>>25445722Who gives a shit about the author? Are you that shallow?
>>25445818>>25445820I don't get it? What did he notice that is "Ayo" worthy, and "Dude..." worthy?
>>25445836while I normally agree with you, sometimes it really does matter, his shallowness is just misplaced on gender, rather than the type of clear woke contrived bias that the equivalent of anime isekai power fantasies, but for women and gays.
I think we called him "lazy fat fuck" one too many times...
>>25445907Why do you think that? If anything he has far too many dick riders. Think about it. In terms of scale he is probably the biggest failure of any author in history. But he still has an active defence force made up of contrarians, children, and other procrastinators. The fat insults will continue until the situation is remedied
>>25445907>nooo don't be mean to le heckin gardener!!Maybe if people didn't rush to defend him being a lazy fat fuck he would've actually written.
>>25445948>>25446002Based bullies
>>25445447>if Jon is there they most likely grieve together meaning the Westerling girl doesn't get into Robbs bedbecause Jon would already be in Robb's bed
>>25446111You have to be a male to post in this thread, please leave
Do the people in Westeros shave their bush?
>>25446243to my knowledge the only mention of pubic hair in the series is when jaime sees brienne in the baths and says that she's way hairier than cersei is. so presumably, no.
>>25446301There are mentions in half of the sex scenes and in some of the torture scenes (Osney Kettleblack and the Blue Bard).
>>25446301>>25446341Sansa also notices Tyrion's pubic hair during their wedding night.
>>25445948He's the goat
>>25443417>Dreams coming trueThe Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring coming out bundled any day now, suck my dick doomfags
>>25446599Nigga its not healthy to live in denial
>>25446599based and true
>>25446599sure
>>25446671The better red pill quote
>>25444391Maybe, but there's other possibilities. Perhaps Asshai used to be underwater, and its stone was made with underwater flame. And no I'm not trolling, the latter is mentioned by Patchface.>>25446444trips recognized>>25446002Thing is, GRRM owes his success to the people who supported his work. And when it comes to cool stuff, there's a social contract where consumers buy & support it, and creators try their best to churn out said cool stuff. I feel like not producing for mad years and leaving things hanging kind of is a breach of contract. We the people built up his fame & wealth, but now he's stopped laying golden eggs.
>>25437336will the mad king play be leaked online? I never watched theatre play, is it /lit/, mfs read plays here? what gives?
>>25446784It’s likely going to be recorded and released on HBO once the play finishes. I’m sure it’s said on the website for the play that it’s also being recorded.
>>25446678kekamogus
So, if the Others are the ultimate threat but there's no Dark Lord full of resentment for Mankind leading them, can we say they're basically human-shaped viruses?Since they can't reproduce on their own and seem to be simply following their programming without actually using any physical energy (as they're not heat-based beings).Maybe they exist to teach Mankind how to ward itself from the threat of Undeath, even if this painful teaching involves a bottleneck selection
>>25446828they were sent by the red comet to destroy all life, luckily joffrey is here to stop them
>>25445839>>25445801I think George was inspired by The Viking/orc/Dragon raider warlord Bloodheart for his own barbarian warlord character Bladeheart (az-zhor)Also the ashoii shadow elves? That’s the shadow people of Asshai dude The 7 sorcerer watchers who use obsidian to spy on everyone? That’s the 7 gods
>>25446871erm what series are you talking about?also we already know george's inspirations clearly, the biggest one is probably mst
>>25446876Crown of stars by Kate Elliot. This was the missing peice I needed. one of George’s secret inspirations clearly
>>25440395Can't believe the show just didn't do this if they were so hellbent on simplifying the material.
>>25446948Unfortunately they weren't just simplifying the material but also jewing it. White male competence is not allowed
>>25443417The play confrimed the books will be shit anyway.
>>25446955The last two books confirmed that already.
>>25446924Are you trolling or what? I really don't get if theres some inside joke I'm missing
>>25446948>hellbent on simplifying the material.I mean they probably had very little to work on. Gurm likely said do this and D+D had to fill in the blanks
>>25446971Yeah you can tell where George wants things to happen but there's no planning for them to actually make sense. The army of the dead is defeated at winterfell...okay, how? "IDK LOOL". Jamie takes Highgarden...wait wut? Rhaegel gets killed by the Ironborn, okay George do you know how and why? No? Damn. Daenerys goes crazy? Okay we'll pivot to that. Bran becomes king? Why do people want him --oh, you don't know, okay. Does he use his powers, George? You don't know?
>>25446971I don't think it was hard at all to follow what the show already laid out. The issue was D&D wanted out too soon.
>>25446977The dead should take the North and everyone who survives flees south into the Riverlands etc. If the whole point is to make them seem apocalyptic then having Westaros partially fall to them would have made sense.
>>25437336realistically how can King's Wood exist next to a 500,000-population city?
>>25446970Which part confuses you, I’ll clear it up
>>25446997It's a magical world where none of the geography makes sense. Don't focus too much on it.
>>25446997Doesn't even crack top 50 on the most ridiculous things in george's theme park
>>25446997With the king and the rest of the nobility protecting it from getting cut down.Historically Europe had royal forests and hunting grounds too.
>>25447026true, and it would justicable if king's landing much smaller city, but at 500,000 population it HAS TO rely on local produce to a significant degree, which means King's Wood can't exist, at least to that size.It's even more ridiculous that King's Road goes through; in medieval England, lords were strictly instructed to cut the forest neatly to avoid highwaymen ambushing convoys from the woods.It's also funny it just avoids Thumbleton, which seems to prominent city.JESUS CHRIST NOTHING MAKES SENSE
>>25446997There's also the issue (mentioned in a previous thread) of the Stormlands, and how the Narrow Sea could consistently generate storms; which by all rhyme & reason should be coming out of the vast Sunset Sea and hitting the west coast.>>25446828>humanoid virusesAs stated, the Others are a fork on the Weirnet, related to the children/singers. But this could also be true.
>It’s Time To Let Go Of George R.R. Martin, ‘Winds Of Winter’ And ‘A Dream Of Spring’https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2026/08/05/its-time-to-let-go-of-george-rr-martin-winds-of-winter-and-a-dream-of-spring/It’s over. Even the normies are done with him
>>25447076worst part of geography isn't the mistakes themselves; it is fact that people are determined to defend Martin by default
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>>25447058There seems to be no banditry in Westeros in times of peace, except for the Moon Mountains barbarians which are in a different district.It's probably not convenient for bandits to try to strike so close to the capital because the king is too near to turn a blind eye in case anyone complains about having ambushed and lost all their hard-earned wealth
>>25446762> Maybe, but there's other possibilities. Perhaps Asshai used to be underwater, and its stone was made with underwater flame.That is something I’ve already mentioned you potato. Greasy black stone could be greasy precisely because it’s from the sea and it lost its greasy status after being fused dry. > And no I'm not trolling, the latter is mentioned by Patchface“It’s always summer beneath the sea”. There are volcanic vents under the sea. Summer. The original dragons were likely sea serpents or sea wyrms (there are deep sea worms living around volcanic vents). Whoever left the greasy black stone were likely the “deep ones” from Lovecraft that George clearly took inspiration from. This all still points to them being related. The possibility of greasy black stone and fused dry black stone not being related in some way is quite slim.Fused black stone might be an advanced form of oily black stone that incorporated flame, heat, dryness, etc, to make. Idk.
Why are the people of this planet so fucking weird in the head?>Westerosi love rural living, hate cities>Essosi love city states, hate borders >Dothraki hate and rape everything >Yi-Tish hate rural living, love cities >Asshai’i hate children and animals >Brindled men eat everyone they meet>Summer islanders hate war, love sex Oh, and the children of the forest never progressed beyond leaves and twigs too.
>>25447264>There seems to be no banditry in Westeros in times of peaceinsane, considering how much crime is king's landing alone
>>25447280These are good points. It would also make sense for each kind of magic to have a dragon associated with it. There's fire dragons ofc, but also ice dragons (which are briefly mentioned), so there should be water dragons too. After all, the various forms of magic tend to each have seers, magic horns, etc.
>>25446301>so presumably, no.Good
>>25447058>500,000 population it HAS TO rely on local producePretty sure ancient Rome got significantly bigger and relied heavily on grain imports from Egypt at a time. Westeros is also much bigger, richer, and mercantile than ancient Rome.Also we know its to the south of the river but do we know exactly how far?
>>25447792Rome didn't have a giant forest next to, I actually don't think Italy had any forests.Comparing King's Landing to Rome isn't really fair, Rome got its food from Sicily, Tunisia and Egypt. And the sea connection was pretty straightforward.Maybe Reach could produce enough surplus for King's Landing, but the difficulty is getting it there.Like by land, transportation would be slow, and horses would end up eating half the food before.If you do it by ship, you'd have to go around Westeros, which itself is lengthy, and have to go through the stormy sea next to Stormlands.You could technically do it with oxcarts, because oxen can pasture on the side of the road without eating fodder. But oxen are extremely slow, like only 10km per day. Which itself would mean Roseroad is constantly being blocked by thousands ox carts.
>>25447829Damn I can't believe all these years I've been on this earth and I didnt think about the logistical transportation problems of having to feed the horses transporting the food kek. The world almost seems inherently complicated sometimes.
>>25447841yeah, it is called rule of the cart, or something
>>25447829>Rome didn't have a giant forest next to, I actually don't think Italy had any forests.Which supports my point that you don't need hyperlocal wood production.There's also mentions of trade from Essos throughout the series. Kings Landing is the center of trade in the kingdom and likely to afford grocers the chance to fetch much higher prices for their wares. Not to mention a lot of this trade could be carried by river.>the logistical transportation problems of having to feed the horses transporting the food Horses eat grass, and hay would be fairly easy to come by in Westerosi inns.
>>25447881>Which supports my point that you don't need hyperlocal wood production.whow was talking about that?>Horses eat grass, and hay would be fairly easy to come by in Westerosi inns.not with great cost
I feel that a lot of the confirmed things from the play, just means that a lot of the current theories for pretty much anything there is a theory about, are probably correct. Like every really popular theory is probably just 80% true, with someinor changes.Also we've had 15 years to dwell on theories there isn't anything George can write that would be so far from a popular theory
