Why are the people of this planet so fucking weird in the head?

>Westerosi love rural living, hate cities
>Essosi love city states, hate borders
>Dothraki hate and rape everything
>Yi-Tish hate rural living, love cities
>Asshai’i hate children and animals
>Brindled men eat everyone they meet
>Summer islanders hate war, love sex

Oh, and the children of the forest never progressed beyond leaves and twigs.

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>>25447288
Aren't you forgetting someone...

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>>25447261
>Kaladin the Paladin found him squatting in an almost squatting position in the grass, making groaning sounds like a shartspren makes at dusk when the feces is paste-like and thin, like a turd sprayed in stinky air. Every stoolspren was looser than the one before, and smelled bad, like shit. By the time the moon came up like a big shitplate in the sky made of poo rocks he was shitting brown water, which is the colour of mud or another brownoid thing. The more he drank, the more shatspren appeared around him, but the more he shat, the more thirstspren popped into existence around him, and his thirstyness sent him crawling to the stream to suck up more shit. He felt like he could drink the feeling and then crush the feelings-can by smashing it into his forehead. When he closed his eyes at last, Shzitter did not know whether he would be strong enough to open them again: he was shartxhausted.

>>25447001
I guess first things first. Were you making your observations having read Crown of stars already? Secondly, I'm pretty sure Crown of Stars' first book was published around the same time as Game of thrones, so unless Kate and George were secretly colleagues I don't see how he could have taken from her.
Thirdly even if we were to find out that Crown of Stars did have an influence on ASOIAF, I don't know why you'd care so much about that one influence over any of the other many more obvious and bigger name influences we know George takes from. The similarities you note seem superfluous, now, I haven't read Crown of Stars, but the Viking orc you say inspired Azor Ahai if a true Viking, a pretty big part of vikings is the ships they used to raid. Where is the significance of ships for Azhor?

>>25447429
I just used the word Viking as a stand in for like “raider” or whatever, Bloodheart is a warlord with many sons and wives from the northern part of the continent who’s tribe was exposed to dragon blood giving them a dragon-like aspect, and they became this savage orc-like foreign invading force, conquering other tribes. This stood out to me because I theorized before that azor ahai was a barbarian raider type rather than an imperious aristocrat, and was connected to huzor amai who has multiple wives and conquered many tribes and is kinda orc coded (he skins other races and wears their skins) What really hammered it home was when I was reading the Dothraki dictionary and realized “Azor” means Bladeheart (az=blade, zhor = heart), wich sounds a lot like bloodheart

>>25447466
Oh so its just conspiracy level theory crafting, which, I honestly can't dog on in the context of fiction, but I can point out how not immediately logical the connection seemed and therefore it threw me off. So have you read Crown of Stars? They're surprisingly long books from what I can gather online.
If your theory happens to be right that would be pretty cool

>>25447479
I just skimmed through the descriptions of the books and the fan wiki when I made those observations, I just bought the series and started book 1, I like it so far, If I find anything more supporting my theory I’ll post them here I’m gonna read them all

>>25447490
Cool bro, very cool

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>>25447490
i pirated the epub of "A Game of Thrones". Is this supposed to be the first book of the series cuz it just started dumping random crap in the first chapter I have no clue what its referencing half the time.

>>25447304
George said they have no culture. Why does he hate them? They clearly make swords and armor. Or is he saying they are merely a mockery of what they were originally? A mockery of human culture?

If they were originally human then this would make sense.

>>25447681
I think you’re right, they are a mockery of humans. Bitter tree spirits and cotf used humans to create a counter race to extinguish the flame of human ambition

>>25447528
I envy your virgin eyes

>>25447707
Storms worked at first but storms end

>>25447721
so was that a "yes"?

>>25447849
Yes, the random crap from the first chapter will be referenced again later with more context and you’ll go “ohhhh”

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>>25447681
>If they were originally human then this would make sense.

They were, the scene we got on the tv show had to have come from GRRM, as D&D are too stupid to have thought of it themselves.

The Others are a magical bio-weapon created by the Children of the Forest, which they then lost control of.

The canon ending to the story is Jon dies for nothing and Dany shits herself to death in a field.
Gurm is one sick, nihilistic fuck

>>25447963
How could they not see that coming with all their wisdom and foresight
Dumb little goblins

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The absolute state of this fat fucking hack.

>>25448136
kek anti-gardener "George has everything meticulously planned" bros are shaking in their boots...

Jonsa status?

>>25448136
He writes with his heart
But that’s a double edged sword

>>25447865
thanks. I don't feel as bad for deleting it now

>To go west you must go east
Dany was originally gonna go to Asshai and cross the sunset sea to get to Westeros. George ultimately decided to abandon this but….what if this path has been taken before in history? Someone who parallels dany. Some one who started out in the Dothraki sea, went east conquering, and then crossing the sunset sea to Westeros. Azor ahai = grey king?

>>25448350
I mean no shit the five forts protect from the same thing as the wall. It's basically canon

>>25448204
Canon

I feel like the normie rage against George is in full effect now. Even some of his biggest dickriders on /r/asoiaf are critical of his lack of clarity.

>>25448204
we won

>>25447261
Why do people in ASOIAF eat like fucking animals? There is always juice or wine dripping down their chins and onto their clothes, even nobles. It's like they all eat like Denethor eating that cherry tomato

>>25447261
Would love to have those big dothraki taking turns on my bussy. I'd be the biggest whorse in vaes dothrak.

>>25448136
Rhaegar only lost because he hallucinated mid fight has to come from grrm.
It's over Baratheonbros, this house is full of frauds.

>>25447261
>" Battled sadness and depression."
>"The worst may be yet to come."
>"I will try and catch up some… and my minions will help… but my posts are likely to short and rushed."
>"I hope to attend… but that depends on… well, on a lot of things."
GURM is dying, isn't he?

>>25448472
he is in the prime of his life

>>25448415
That's just the men though

>>25448472
he weighs like a small blue whale and is nearing his 80s, of course he's dying.

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>>25448007
I'd love to read an unambiguously sad ending à la The Children of Húrin myself.
Something like the Others take all of Westeros and human refugees have to settle in Essos, spending the rest of their lives praying for salvation from the undead

>>25448545
he's average weight.

>>25447963
>The Others are a magical bio-weapon created by the Children of the Forest, which they then lost control of.
This was a fan theory also before it was in the show.

>>25448556
>>25448545
the fact that he's lost so much weight is concerning. I hope he's not ill.

>>25448542
>Catelyn had not realized how hungry she was. She ate standing in the yard, as stablehands moved their saddles to fresh mules. The hot juices ran down her chin and dripped onto her cloak, but she was too famished to care.

>>25448472
He's not, his wife is. she had cancer and beat it a few years ago but it might be back

>>25448447
>It's over Baratheonbros, this house is full of frauds.
Always have been

The Baratheons are the gay house in fitting with Martins theme of biological determinism that runs through the series.
Orys and Aegon
Robert and Ned
Renly and Loras
The real reason Renly got storms end was that Stannis is a gay basher.

>>25448433
You have no idea what you're talking about and you should be grateful for it

>>25448684
If Robert somehow doesn't count as straight then we are all turbofags

Talk me out of rereading the series

At this point it’d be funnier if he never finished the series, and his unfinished notes and drafts become highly coveted pieces of esoteric lore, like Tolkien.

>>25448826
Don't reread the series bro.
Trust me

>>25448826
Reread it. It's always worth doing.

>>25448826
wait until winds
lmao

>>25448945
This x1

I hate bracken dogs so fucking much that its unreal

>>25447261
the biggest flaw in ASOIAF, in my opinion, is the dothraki. GRRM created a world with great political structures that are viable and believable but as a person of Turkic descent, by god the dothraki are just so fucking awful and they wouldn't last 5 fucking years in the real steppes of Eurasia

>>25449190
>that are viable and believable
lol youre a dumbass if you think dorne is viable, and if you think the iron bank is believable
dumbass

>>25449195
even if they aren't that realistic they are nowhere as unrealistic as the dothraki, I wonder what george was thinking whilst creating them.

Plus
>if you think dorne is viable

Its been quite some time since I've read the books, enlighten me since if there was a single most unrealistic place in Westeros its the iron islands by far

>>25447261
who placed those horses there

>>25449198
>its the iron islands by far
true that atleast

>>25449218
>doesnt know that Dothraki were simply the outriders of The Great Empire of the Dawn who got nvked into the savages they are now by the bloodstone emperor

ngmi

>>25449190
>>25449198
The Dothraki are recognizably derived from Golden Age Hollywood depictions of Hun, Mongol & Sioux raiders. This explains why they're fantastical roaming armies quite unlike real steppe cultures. Also the fact that their main weapon is a scimitar, instead of the reflex bow.

>>25447304
No one, to my knowledge, has properly captured the Others as depicted in the first prologue, but this comes within a stones' throw at least.

>>25449368
More like the Dothraki decend from the horseman of the apocalypse, orc-like horse riding savages who raped Essos after the fall of the dawn empire which coincided with the long night, who then crossed the poison water after felling ygg in the grey waste and became the ironborn

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>>25448415
>Why do people in ASOIAF eat like fucking animals
basically the ruling class of westeros are gigantic faggots and the war is an attempt to get rid of them, but unlike maoism it was unsystematic. if only westeros had had a mao

>>25449190
>great political structures that are viable
every single aspect of gays on thrones is utter dogshit and there only to support rape porno. he has professional armies and calls them bannermen, and has them fighting against actual bannermen

>>25449447
>The Dothraki are recognizably derived from Golden Age Hollywood depictions of Hun, Mongol & Sioux raiders. This explains why they're fantastical roaming armies quite unlike real steppe cultures. Also the fact that their main weapon is a scimitar, instead of the reflex bow.
right, theyre an incoherent pastiche of tropes, whereas the tatooine guys were recognizably middle eastern peoples not because lucas is any less of an abjectly retarded liberal faggot than martin but because the pastiche went through less rearrangements. liberals are incapable of believing that anyone else doesnt want to be a liberal and only isnt because they lack the money so they cant portray anyone accurately to show each other

Sex with Visenya Targaryen

Bran will install flock camer.....err I mean heart trees in every castle.

What do you guys think of the Battle of Wind Theory? It sounds half interesting to me, but the Stannis part sounds like nonsense

>>25449589
People cried muh oppression when Targ chads used dragons to keep them in check but will just accept an omnipotent cripple?

>>25448618
Every single female POV (and half of male ones) is a humiliation ritual.

>>25448684
Baratheons are virile chads and Renly is their only fag.

>>25448136
>Once he gets there in the books
lol
lmao

So is Rayder a made up surname by Mance or just an unknown house or…

>>25449999
It's supposed to come from being raised by the Night's Watch as a child, while being a bastard.

Tyanna of the Tower x Visenya Targaryen

You know it happened

>>25450184
>angry scissoring and fingering action
That actually sounds fucking hot.

>>25449554
This is a valid insight. They assume all cultures are liberal under the surface, and there's just baggage in the way. They can't properly flesh out nomads, or sand people & jawas (who as you said are at least more recognizable as insurgent raiders and scavengers), because then they'd have to grapple with profoundly anti-liberal beliefs and ways of life, which boomer-brains cannot process.

>>25449812
A greenseer puppetmaster is subtle, dragon nukes not so much.

>>25449845
And even Renly was an alpha fag.

>>25449999
might just refer to being the leader of wildling raids. raider->Rayder.
nice quads btw

>>25449447
It just feels contradictive since GRRM explicitly criticized Tolkien about ''Aragorn's tax policy''. How do the dothraki feed their hordes, George?

good fucking god I just want stannis to fucking destroy the boltons and freys and for Rickon to return from Skagos as a chad with wolf blood like his uncle Brandon. I just want that, nothing else.

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>>25448204

>>25449190
>created a world with great political structures that are viable and believable
Lol, absolutely not. GRRM's worldbuilding is laughably over the top. The Dothraki are only marginally more retarded than a continent of eternal noble dynasties stuck in perpetual feudalism, or a city-state with economy focused entirely on training whores.

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>>25450402
Facts. I find it funny that he made this comment about Tolkien when nothing in the economy or politics of the seven kingdoms makes any sense beyond surface value.

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>>25450383
>>25450407

grrm was always a pseud. From the first chapter of the first book, to these inane quotes. He always came across a pompous fat headed twat. Mentalists like him always let it go straight to their heads, like steffen king and his "writing rules" limerick or whatever

>>25450407
I agree with GRRM here in principle that the fact that Tolkien doesn't even bother to ask or answer these questions is bad, or at the very least not complex or particularly interesting. You can't have the concept of a king, without addressing the complex social and economic factors that maintain a king's power/rule, which is where value judgements are ultimately introduced, was your rule maintained? Or did your line/policies die, and if they did, but not as a result of poor rule, then why did it happen? See how many simple but more elaborating, and layered (building upon prior ideas) explorations can be produced just from asking the question at all? George may not do it as realistically and complicatedly as you'd expect from someone who even cares about those questions. But he probably asks those questions the most in the fantasy genre, and that alone matters alot. Seriously go read the shit typical and even popular and successful fantasy deals with. Its all typically too abstract for any of the themes to mean anything beyond projecting exactly what you want to see in the world onto a fictional playground for you to indulge in.

>>25450439
maybe the reason Tolkien didn't bother was because its otherwise unimportant and has nothing to do with the story? AKA the reason he's writing a book at all?

>>25450439
That argument would hold merit if Tolkien’s focus was on politics like George. Tolkien’s world building is in the literal world, the songs, the magic, the stories and the history of middle-earth. Westeros is based on a fuedal Europe where there were tax policies and other stuff like that. In fact, now I think about it I don't think George ever explained what the ASOIAF tax polices are. More time is spent on descriptions of food than anything else.

>>25450446
We literally have no solid idea what a golden dragon can buy lol. I stopped thinking about the westerosi economy alltogether

Not to mention how the fuck were they feeding their dragons? What was Jaehaerys's dragon feeding policy? What do they eat and how much?

>>25450407
Not to defend George, because he pisses me off so much these days, but I think this quote is about him saying is being a good man enough to make you a good king?

In Middle-Earth, yes because that's the way it works there. The evil of that world is a magical one and it corrupts unlike ASOIAF where evil is a more common thing.

>>25448433
sansa...

>>25450450
like if you think about how much a single active human male has to eat, the dragons seem absurd. at least he should've explained some magic mumbo jumbo or talk about the cost of feeding them, or at least make them semi-hibernating when not in combat/flying

>>25450490
>make them semi-hibernating when not in combat/flying
But they are? Danys dragons in the pyramids are burrowing and making a next in the rock and need to be awoken, they like cats they just sleep until they're feed and then go back to sleep

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>>25447261
now, who do think George R. R. Martin favorite anime loli is?
it got to be Ai Haibara right?

>>25450623
Ilya and Kuro

>>25448447
Based George

>>25447963
I hope that George will expand on the concept, something like that the others are the consciousnesses of old greenseers transferred from the weireood into human bodies, and that they want to kill the children of forest too for some important reason, instead of them just turning one and going ooops we totally didnt see that coming

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Do you think we will ever see winds?

>>25450891
At this point i'd be satisfied with just knowing the nature and purpose of the others

>>25450896
We likely know that from the show. They're a biological weapon that got out of hand and are now killing everything. The books would probably expand on it better, and give a far better resolution, but I can't see it being anything but that. I'd actually like to see them win and feel a threat because the show just teased them and then they were defeated like that.

>>25450901
See
>>25450890

>>25447963
>>25450890
Id prefer if it wasn’t an accident that spread out of control. Just have the children of the Forrest, or a faction of them, becoming so embittered and vengeful from the human subjugation that they create this abomination out of desperation. Just like in memory sorrow and thorn when the storm king combined iron with the sacred witchwood to create the blasphemous blade thorn. The children combined “iron”, or in this case “men of iron” with the sacred wierwood to create their blasphemous “sword”, the others
That’s their own azor ahai story where humans are the darkness threatening all life

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>>25448040

Their backs were to the wall. The Children of the Forest blew up/sank the Arm of Dorne but the illegal mass migration of First Men kept coming, so they tried it again at the Neck but their magic was failing and instead of creating a channel, it only sunk the land a bit creating a swamp and the First Men (i.e. biggers) kept coming.

At this point, the CotF pooled all their magic and went to the Dark Side, creating the Others from captured First Men but it back-fired on them, with the Others going rogue and killing everything in sight, forcing the CotF to ally with the First Men and the rest we know.

>>25448558

Sure, the point is that it was GRRM's idea, not Dumb & Dumber and this fits with his hippy boomer upbringing, where the threat of nuclear war was always hanging over his head.

The Others are an apocalyptic weapon that actually got used and it fucked everything up.

>>25450890
>>25451108

I don't need a detailed Dungeon Masters Manual explanation, that the Others turned into Frankenstein's Monster is enough.

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>>25450891
Personally I say yes.
He gives us Winds and then croaks.
Then (You) have to fill in the gaps and figure out how the story was supposed to end

>>25450891
He will never finish it, but we will get a book titled Winds of WInter after his death.

What's the point of a posthumously released book? Any plot line people don't like will just be dismissed as non canon.

>>25451595
the cope will be delicious, regardless

>>25451595
>What's the point of a posthumously released book?
the publisher making money

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>Somehow that seemed important

Um. Does Marwyn know that Pate is a Faceless Man?

>>25452647
He very well might, considering he knows about magical bullshit and has a glass candle. And the original Pate was kind of a dumbass who Marwyn wouldn't waste his time one, while the new one isn't, which surely must've been noticed by someone. Either Marwyn thinks that a faceless man could be useful for whatever he's planning and keeps Pate around because of that, or he has no way of revealing him without putting himself at risk.

Why does the Lord of light insist on Beric Dondarrion being alive? Is that actually what he wants or is thoros just capable of reviving someone constantly

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>>25452815
The Lord of Light probably isn't real and just used to explain fire magic. Beric's purpose is to give his fire to Lady Stoneheart, but then the question just becomes what R'hllor wants with Catelyn.

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Big fan of the iron throne from the play. Looks imposing like it should be

>>25453025

Yeah, that looks good.

reminder than Theon thought it was gross to fuck a 13 year old, so any characters who disagree are of lower moral fibre

just heard the news

F

>>25453331
Lmao

>A pity Ned Stark had taken his daughters south; elsewise Theon could have tightened his grip on Winterfell by marrying one of them. Sansa was a pretty little thing too, and by now likely even ripe for bedding. - A Clash of Kings - Theon IV

>"I am 'my lady' at the Gates, but up here on the mountain you may call me Randa. How many years have you, Alayne?"

>"Four-and-ten, my lady." She had decided that Alayne Stone should be older than Sansa Stark. - A Feast for Crows - Alayne II

>>25453435
What news?

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does this horny old fuck go everywhere with that stupid turkish ex pornstar?

Seeing people seething at those who only care about Martins ability to finish those books and not his health like he's their friend and not someone who lied about working on a promised book for 15 years.

>>25453485

High five, Gurm!

noob moment, i dont remember if a legitimate reason is ever given for how exactly jaime lost to robb and why he split his army, can anybody explain?

>>25454036
Riverrun has three gates with rivers between them so he had to split the army to ensure they were covered, Robb defeated them one at the time. At least that's how some youtuber I watched explained it.

>>25454036
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Battle_of_the_Camps
Prelude section and how he blinded his forces is probably the most important.

>>25448545
He's dropped a lot of weight but old people tend to stop eating regular meals right before the end. Wouldn't surprise me if he subsists on soup and bread by now.

>>25450891
Winds is coming this winter, I can feel it

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The Mad King audio and book (adaptation?) will be published, according to UK editor and publishing director for GRRM.

>>25454624
Probably will be a book version of the script like that awful Harry Potter play

Why did Arys Oakheart get a POV Chapter when it could have just been Arianne?

>>25447528
I remember when I first read it 15 years ago, I didn't understand that "Ned" and "Eddard" were the same person for a few chapters.

>>25454937
AFFC is a treatise on the beauty of MENA women. George self-inserting into Oakheart to fuck her.

What's the probability George signed off on the GOT ending and pretended he had nothing to do with it once it was lampooned.

>>25455081
Highly likely

>>25448007
Yeah, I was thinking about the same recently. What a grim story

>>25454937
Stranger in a strange land kind of thing. Sure, you have Areo, but Norvos is even more foreign than Dorne, so it doesn't work as well

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Younger and more beautiful queen and valonqar are the same person and his name is Loras Tyrell

>>25448355
The Others weren't in Essos
>>25451108
From what we learned from the TV series, the Others were like an order of knights sworn to protect the Children of the Forest. They were created during the war against the First Men. The First Men couldn't defeat them, so they signed the Pact.
Centuries later, the Andals arrived and slaughtered the Children of the Forest, cutting down their weirwoods. So the Others came back.
They most likely killed any humans they encountered, making no distinction between the allies of the Children of the Forest, the First Men, and the Andals.
The Last Hero convinced the Children of the Forest to side with men and destroyed their knights: the Others.
The Others were betrayed by the very people they had sworn to protect and now they're pissed off.

I'm gonna laugh so hard when this fat fuck's wife dies

>>25455257
>Centuries later, the Andals arrived and slaughtered the Children of the Forest, cutting down their weirwoods. So the Others came back.
>They most likely killed any humans they encountered, making no distinction between the allies of the Children of the Forest, the First Men, and the Andals.
Timeline doesn't add up? Long Night happened long before the Andal Conquest and both Andals and Valyrians that pushed them across the sea were literate, so we would have better sources on the entire thing
>>25455288
It would be almost poetic, if that pushed him into work spiral, fueled by grief and love, major themes in bis books. Won't happen, but I like the way it sounds

>>25454624
>Mad King gets published
>GRRM gets to coast for the rest of his life off someone else's work

>>25455293
The canceled prequel, Bloodmoon, was supposed to take place during the Long Night, and the pilot focused on a marriage between a First Men family and an Andal family.
That explains the inconsistencies in the legends, such as the Others supposedly hating iron or the Last Hero having a dragonsteel blade.
The history was rewritten by the maesters, the Andals.

Imagine how funny it would be if George just finished his series and we’d actually know about the Others lmao. Wouldn’t that be funny

NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE DAMN ICE ZOMBIES IT'S THE POLITICAL CONFLICT BETWEEN HUMAN BEINGS THAT IS INTERESTING

>>25455340
What if I care about both?

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I wish the ending would have gone balls to the wall crazy, with magic returning in full force. The Bloodstone Emperor returning as an undead sorcerer unleashing DBZ tier magic, with dragons and the Others, deep ones invading the shores, and full blown chaos all over the world.

>>25455389
I also love anime

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>if I had to perish twice
So azor ahai brings FIERY apocalyptic war to the world and then dies and is reborn as the night king to bring an ICY apocalypse, then perishes again yes?

The sooner you accept that DD just wrote their own (shittier) version of Martins intended ending the sooner you'll all become happy.

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The charges, Officer?

>>25455627
attempted murder

treason

being d*rnish

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the bear and the maiden fare is a terrible song, is grrm fucking with me by bringing it up again and again? it's haunting me through this book

Aegon is both the Beautiful Queen and the Valonqar
>good looking boy with androgynous looks
>younger son of Rhaegar, brother of Rhaenys

>>25455682
preston said it's a feminist metaphor song, so if you dont like it youre probably misogynist

>>25455744
link?

David Lightbringer > Preston

>>25455751
somebody linked it last thread, it was the brienne series.

David and Preston are both so far up their own assholes they should honestly just have full blown gay sex at this point

It has been a while and I forgot to shitpost about it. But hilarious that GRRM made an entire blog post without mentioning Winds of Winter status. Just a bunch of, check out all these TV shows made off my work.

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>>25447261
Is there a single piece of this map not geographically wrong?

>>25455817
who is david? are you referring Trey the Explainer or Carmine?

>>25455898
da lightbringa...

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>>25455895
What do you mean?

>>25448136
Holy shit George might genuinely have no clue what the hell he's doing. I thought it was sincere malice thus far but it looks like he had some good editors or got very lucky thus far because he doesn't actually know how to tell a full story.

Almost thought of finally deciding to read ASOIAF because I've just gotten so tired of all the disappointing either generic or tropey slop I've been reading that I feel like its finally time to read the series that basically got popular because it means to address that, no matter how successfully it actually does that, I'm just looking for something to surprise me by actually caring to not be tropey and generic fantasy. But the problem too is that the books are long and it doesn't feel worth to read such long books with no ending.

>>25455934
>Jon Snow has more magic DNA than even Dany because he has less Rh*ynish corruption
At last I see...

>>25455954
Read the Dunk & Egg novellas, they are the best to come out of the series

>>25456058
Ah I've heard about that. That's a good suggestion, only thing that almost sort of put me off was youtube videos praising it for showing "what it means to have true knighthood" values, in a sort of affirmative light, when Knights barely existed for most of the middle ages and when they did it was for an incredibly small time, and not remotely like in the stories. But alas idk how true those judgements were

>>25455934
>Dyanna Dayne
>100% Rhoynar
The Daynes aren't rhoynar. Neither are the Hightowers 100% Andal. Whoever made this is retarded.

what is the next series currently in book form only that is going to take off like ASOIAF did in your opinion?

>>25456203
What do you mean by next series? 2025 and onward? 2020 onward? Or does have to literally be up and coming like right now, this year to next year? I don't even know if this entire board has read enough contemporary genre fiction to even say. The generic responses are something like Red Rising I think if talking pure "Rising" (pun intended) popularity. But if were talking something different and big that shakes up the genre and how its viewed and its potential to say more? That'll likely be a long time. I have a feeling some like that already exist which just fly under the radar, its not like ASOIAF was super popular b4 the show, not unpopular but not a phenomenon.

>>25456258
>I have a feeling some like that already exist which just fly under the radar, its not like ASOIAF was super popular b4 the show, not unpopular but not a phenomenon.

I personally was thinking along these lines, but was curious how others interpreted it any answered. I agree on Red Rising blowing up and taking the popularity reins

>>25456203
Cosmere, if the adaptation turns out well.

>>25455817
That's being a bit unfair to Preston, none of his theories are as out there as David's Great Empire of the Dawn autism. His Night's Watch, Cersei and Taena and Prepping for Winter series are all great.

>>25456744
Shut the fuck up Preston simp

So now that George has basically confirmed it's over publicly, what are the odds we get milked with future books like "The Unfinished Works of GRRM" for years to come?

>>25456657
I think it will be popular but I don’t know if Cosmere will get as big as Game of Thrones. Main reason is that Game of Thrones attracted the normie adult audience and Mistborn and Stormlight have a more YA feel about them, which may not attract the more grown up casual audience.

>>25456203
None. ASOIAF was made famous by HBO GOT, no streamer got the same dominant role on the market today.

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>>25456203
>what is the next series currently in book form only that is going to take off like ASOIAF did in your opinion?

Robert's Rebellion will be the next HBO tv show adaption and as the flamingly gay stage play is already out, the tv show will also be totally gay and woke as fuck.

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KEKLMAOOOOO

>>25456657
Cosmere is too YA and silly for people who don't usually like fantasy

Also I think Stormlight is just too long and high budget for an adaptation to work. Mistborn could work.

>>25457103
Apple are making Stormlight and if you look at any of their shows, you can see that budget is not really their problem. They are consistently the best looking shows. The issue is that they’re never marketed so you rarely hear of them. I think that will change when ready for release as Apple will heavily be marketing and going wild with Cosmere. I think they will give it a big budget and happily so. It helps that Stormlight is being a TV show and Mistborn a movie so I think they can afford to drag Stormlight out compared to Mistborn which is more straightforward.

>>25457103
Mistborn's getting a trilogy of movies, and SA is getting 10 episode seasons per book.

I agree with you though. I feel like spren alone make Stormlight unadaptable in live action. I don't know how you can show them without it coming off as juvenile or cartoonish. I think Mistborn will do Dune numbers at the box office if he tightens it up enough.

>>25453485
grrm actually travels with his wife a lot, I believe she's always in attendance at his convention appearances and speaking engagements, she's just ugly, old, and not famous so no one is going to take her photos. Him and Shae's actress are just cute friends.

>>25457118
>cute friends
He’s also horny down bad for her. During the filming of s4 or whenever Shae was in it, he kept mentioning about how many times he watched her audition tape.

>>25457128
>her audition tape.
I read that as "audition rape" and though "hmm makes sense"

>>25456070
Fuck Youtube
Read the novellas
Except for the third, they're just generally comfy generic fantasy knight shenanigans

>>25456887
unless he leaves instructions for his lawyers, wife, and assistants to physically destroy his work we are 100% going to get winds and a piecemeal version of spring. They are going to release another world of ice and fire, more fire and blood, there are probably some dunk and egg chapters stashed away. Not to mention all of the other fantasy and science fiction stories he's worked on. He probably has a few movie and tv scripts as well Unused elden ring notes too. I really hop he doesn't want to destroy his work after he dies because there's going to be a ton of good shit we'll never get to see. I personally don't even care if the unreleased stuff is bad, it'll still be interesting to read.

Please be kind to GRRM, it's hard being rich and not writing for a living.

George wanted to be a screenwriter and not an author and now he basically is. That’s why he hates Condal and D+D as they’re doing his job.

I think this current tactic of GRRM fishing for sympathy to avoid writing is disgusting, it's even worse than when he got petulant and sulky about it.

>>25457138
Mario Puzo wrote this in a great novel about writers, Fools Die, decades ago:

>"I've gone over Osano’s stuff,” I said, “as his executor.”
>“Good,” Mr. Stiles said. “You may or may not know, since this is the financial end of Mr. Osano’s life, that we advanced him a hundred thousand dollars for his novel in progress. So we do have first claim to that book. I just wanted to make sure you understood that.”
>“Sure,” I said. “And I know it was Osano’s wish that you publish it. You did a great job publishing his books.”
>There was a grateful smile on Mr. Stiles’s face. He leaned back. “Then there’s no problem?” he said. “I assume you’ve gone through his notes and papers and you found the manuscript.”
>I said, “Well, that’s the problem. There is no manuscript; there is no novel, only five hundred pages of notes.”
>Stiles had a stunned, horrified look on his face and behind that exterior I know what he thought: Fucking writers, hundred-thousand-dollar advance, all those years and all he has is notes! But then he pulled himself together. “You mean there’s not one page of manuscript?” he said.
>“No,” I said. I was lying, but he would never know. There were six pages.
>...
>I never told Mr. Stiles that Osano had written some pages of his novel, the first six. With them was a note addressed to me:
>Merlyn, Here are the six pages of my book. I give them to you. Let’s see what you can make of them. Forget the notes, they’re bullshit. Osano
>...
>I read all his notes, over five hundred pages of them on long yellow sheets. They were brilliant notes. But notes are nothing.

Mark my words, whatever gets published, someday we'll find that GRRM wrote jack shit of it.

>>25457151
meh, I'm a writer
it depends on how organized the notes are
there's some coherence to my notes, ofc not everything gets used but you can definitely see what ideas I'm developing, the setting, the atmosphere, characters, themes, and the genre I'm going for.
George also claimed that he has no notes some years ago but we all know that's bullshit, I'm betting that his notes are detailed and written out quite a bit, and he definitely keeps unused or rewritten or revised chapters for asoiaf.

I only care about ancient lore worldbuilding and don’t care about the characters or the story in the modern era, it does nothing for me

>>25457172
The point is that after GRRM is dead his executors and publishers don't need to follow his wishes. They can write their own ending that will be influenced by money and politics.

>>25457172
>meh, I'm a writer
Then you ought to know there's nearly as much difference between notes and finished manuscript as there is between a wikipedia plot summary and the actual novel

George did nothing wrong

>>25457185
>his executors and publishers don't need to follow his wishes.
Not how it works and it's not worth the legal ass kicking they'll receive, other famous writers have had their wills executed with instructions to destroy their work and those wishes are followed.
Anyway IF George does leave his work available then yes we will get an ending that's influenced by various forces at play. It's only natural that it would happen that way because it's the only conclusion there is. But as far as asoiaf is concerned we already know the ending. He gave the ending to D&D, they fucked it up really badly though, and he's mentioned that fans already figured out the ending, It's Bran ending up as "king". I've talked about it in this general before. So as long as it follows what we already know I would be satisfied with an ending close to what he might have written had he finished the books himself.

>>25448392
But at what cost?

>>25457196
anon writers do occasionally release pieces of their notes, it's not all gibberish, it's often early versions of finished work that had minor tweaks. We're five books into asoiaf, it has three accompanying novellas, two history books, and a few other pieces, the characters and world and plot points are set in stone, there's not going to be any major differences between his notes and the published books.

>>25457212
Yeah I've read some of those. Read some of the released Winds chapters too.
That's not the point
The point is, do you really think GRRM has much of anything else to *that* level of completion?
Lol
Lmao

>>25457221
yes actually
he does write, he claims he's got over a thousand pages of Winds written, would be a silly thing for him to lie to his fans and publisher about

>>25457237
And were is the evidence of it because I believe that all the released chapters are just cut ones from ADWD.

>>25457244
this is a silly question
you just need to take his word for it
it's not like he doesn't produce any work at all, he's worked on television, movies, games, his novellas, and short stories. I could understand if he produced no work at all but that's not the case, he's still technically "good for it". We just have to wait and see.

>>25457016
it's kinda unbelievable that Robert's Rebellion only lasted one year.
Like, I feel that Eddard's forces mobilizing and arriving in the Trident itself would have taken 9 months

>>25457237
>he claims he's
going to finish the book this year for the past 10 years

>>25457254
>it's not like he doesn't produce any work at all, he's worked on television, movies, games, his novellas, and short stories
Anyone who's ever procrastinated knows that they do huge amounts of every work except that work which is being procrastinated

>>25457254
You're fuckin' delusional, anon.

>>25457254
Gurm dickriders are embarrassing

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I just heard fatman threw the towel in his recent blog post, sad
that's it for me, folks

>>25457477
He threw in the towel a decade ago

>>25457254
>he's worked on television, movies
Chatting with showrunners and producers isn't real work.

>games
That was 7-8 years ago.

>his novellas, and short stories
His last published books was 8 years ago. While he does claim he's writing a new novella now, he also claimed he was writing the very same novella back in 2010 (he didn't write shit).

>>25457355
Tywin was the Mad King's main general and decided to hide in Casterly Rock to side with the winner later, for reasons.
Tullys and the Vale sided with the north, so there was no choke point on the river lands in the war of the 5 kings.

>>25457524
still, just moving armies takes time

>>25457355
>Eddard's forces mobilizing and arriving in the Trident itself would have taken 9 months
It absolutely should've, but they mobilize pretty quickly during AGOT as well.
So during the Dance, the North was probably being extra slow on purpose.

>>25457206
>Not how it works and it's not worth the legal ass kicking they'll receive
No, it's extremely easy to disobey requests like that on a will and it's unlikely anybody will be legally punished for it.

So this "I'm old, lonely and sad and way too tired to even update my blog" post in response to the series turning 30 is basically him admiting he can't finish the books, right ?
I feel like he's way too coward to come to his fans and say "Look I'm sorry to let you all down but I'm a human too and at this age I won't be able to finish it, move on from this series if you want" because he know people will start asking him to hire someone else to finish the books (like they will once he dies) and so "steal" his lifetime work

>>25457564
>>25457668
does it really?
since westeros and uk have the same map, someone can pull one example for how long it takes to go from south to west-northish
reminder that king's landing isn't in the extreme south of the map, that is dorne

>>25457687
Personally, I don't think he's all that depressed and this "woe is me" routine is a cynical fishing for sympathy thing because public opinion has turned against him a lot recently. I've noticed the media and a lot of GRRM shills have been ordering the fans to "be kind" to the fat man and it feels like a planned, co-ordinated thing to me

>>25457689
Anon, in every ASOIAF book blurp says the Wall is 300 miles (~480 km) in length.
That's literally the distance from Hadrian's wall to London.
So, using that alone, we know the distances of Westeros.
And can calculate that distance from Winterfell to Ruby Ford is around 1,300 miles/2092 km.
Avg medieval army could do 20 km, so maybe they could march there in 100 days, but that would presume mobilization in North was instantaneous.

I feel like it's on you guyses to come to peace with him not giving us anything. If you need him to come out and say it to get some kind of closure at this point there's clearly some part of you that still has hope that you need to kill.

>>25457786
I actually hope he doesn’t release anything more and am fine with where the series is now, for petty reasons

>>25457786
what gets me is that he just won't do it for contractual rea$on$
but I won't spend a dime on ASOIAF anymore, count on that

>>25457433
>>25457446
I never said he's going to finish the books morons. Learn to read. We are talking about when he croaks and what will happen to his unfinished work.

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>>25457172
>I'm a writer
sure you are kiddo

>>25457477
I'll give credit, at least the niggerfied Starks are actually wearing their house colors.

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>>25458156

Guy I know self published his book.

>>25450891
Why would you want wokes of winter? It's written after he has suffered so much brain damage that it could never be good.

Which pov character is most likely to troon out?

>>25458297
cersei

>>25457786
We want the Windses Of Winter, yes, it is precious, oh yes, the precious

>>25458303
Definitely the most likely, but she would also regret it immediately.

>>25458297
Brienne is halfway there

>no new HOTD
>no new AKOTSK
>no new books
its over

Having a good giggle remembering GRRM telling everybody he would keep writing into his 90s back in the 00s, what a fat fucking cowardly pussy this guy turned out to be

>>25458297
arya is literally being trained by a bunch of magical troons to join their ranks

she also pretended to be the other gender for like an entire book so far

https://youtu.be/vwVoDFhK7nQ
Sometimes its just comfy and chill to read along with Preston and hear comments on the chapters from somebody whos researched George's stuff some of the most

Realizing that I've been waiting so long for Winds that my friend's younger brother was born after ADWD was published and is now as tall as me.

>>25459234
How has he not gotten a copyright strike for just reading the entire book on his youtube channel?

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Why and how does George even allow this shit

Is it because he’s genuinely just a naive and sweet old man/boomer who can’t say no to anyone? Him dropping that bomb on Condal and HotD was out of character as is

>>25459409
The color-blind excuse always makes me laugh because somehow they found four mulattos to all match each other when casting the Starks, so obviously at some point they said "no, we need to limit the casting to mystery meats now that we have Lyanna."

>>25459409
>allow
He doesn't get any say in casting and even if he did, he wouldn't risk jeopardising his meal ticket

>>25459439
>obviously at some point they said "no, we need to limit the casting to mystery meats
They're always at that point

>>25459409
He is 100% a naive old boomer. His spite for Trump and his opinions on immigration are adorable. I love him much more for it, to the point where I get angrier the more I see producers like Condal take advantage of his good and innocent nature.

George just wants people to enjoy his stories. But now he’s realizing in real time that production matters a whole lot. The interpretation of producers can ruin one’s artistic vision and license.

>>25459591
>He is 100% a naive old boomer.
He isn't, he worked in Hollywood during the 80s and knew exactly what he was getting into. He's a cynical, spiteful old man who took the money and told his fans to fuck off.

>>25459630
>You don’t understand, George is the bad guy!
Uh, you’re coping right now.

Anyone following the george hotd meltie

>>25459730
whats going on?

Lmaoooo

>>>/tv/222483688

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>>25455934
Like why is the Neck a huge swamp?
Where does the water come from?
>muh children of forest trying to break it
doesn't explain shit, wetland requires constant water to keep the ground soaked
even the Trident only covers half of it, and because upstream there is no way it carries enough water
It would actually make more sense for Riverlands to be swamp than the Neck.

>>25459855
It's a continent scale map. The Trident dwindles from a huge navigable river to much smaller forks as it spreads out into the neck. Your criticism is autistic and nonsensical. Do you take these maps 100% literally? They can't show literally 100% of the detail.

>>25449598
i think it's shit

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>>25459409
George has been liberal/leftist for literally his entire life, black characters have been in the story since the very beginning. He just doesn't care that everyone isn't white or Iberian or whatever. To be clear I'm black myself and think the race swap shit is weird and I don't care to see it constantly, but it's clear that George just doesn't give a fuck, Targaryens (or the people of Westeros in general) aren't real people, it's all fantasy in his mind.

>>25449190
>the biggest flaw in ASOIAF, in my opinion, is the dothraki
For me its Essos in general.

>>25459966
IDK, his actual commissioned stuff for the calendars and guidebooks have Westerosi and Valyrians as white, even the Dornish are always just vaguely Iberian/Middle Eastern. Even Jon is pale as shite despite people trying to force Northerners as somehow being Inuit in skintone for some reason. Westeros is definitely huwhite in his mind, even if Essos and the Summer Isles aren't. You are probably right that he's the type of person to see the race swap in HotD and be hippie enough to care about some other autism like the four legged dragons on the Targ flags.

>>25459999
yeah I was specifically talking about in regards to the show, obviously he's not going to race swap his book characters.

>>25459996
Westeros is just as bad, you’re just biased.

Why is House of the Dragon so fucking awful

>>25460131
uh dawg... I hate to break it to you... its cuz it was written by GRRM

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>>25460131

>>25459966
>I'm black myself
what on earth are you doing here
>filename
lel

>>25459999
>for some reason
Hollywood jobs, always
>IDK
anon's right, GRRM has always been leftard, going back to his pre-ASOIAF career
wasted digits

>>25460283
what is that thing on the right?

>>25449190
It’s the most realistic army of orcs George could come up with for his not-Sauron invasion of dany, along with the ironborn

>>25460131
everyone knows why, some just have the guts to say it

>>25460358
They let an ugly Asian woman write the show and turn it into her lesbian girlboss fantasy?

>>25460337
>what is that thing on the right?
The reason Rhaenys suffered no consequences for murdering hundreds at the dragonpit.

>>25460131
Fire and Blood is equally awful.

>>25460451
yeah

>>25460337
>what is that thing on the right?
A post-wall hapa dyke.

So if Westeros is on a planet, surely it's summer somewhere when it's winter in Westeros?

>>25460358
>everyone knows why, some just have the guts to say it

The maesters?

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>>25460542
You jest but there's validity to it.

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I bet they do the Blackfyre Rebellions after HOTD. They need to keep the cash cow milked and it has synergy with AKOTSK.

and we will never ever get another book...

And so he lazed, and so he lazed,
that fat fuck from Santa Fe,
But now HBO swarms o'er his books,
with no one to keep them at bay.
Yes now HBO swarms o'er his books,
and not a soul to keep them at bay.

>>25460716
He very readily admits that he sold the stories to them for copious amounts of money so he's not suffering as much as fans think he is. He gets a little annoyed by some of their decisions, but they still consult with him for every project, he gets to pitch his other movie and TV show ideas (TV is his first true love) and they are still giving him copious amounts of money. This is exactly what he wanted.

>>25460784
make the most of your money George because your legacy will be one of shit

>>25460803
>your legacy will be one of shit
people keep saying this and it's not looking like it will be true at all
he's got his hand in a few businesses including owning a third of rail road company
people still love his work despite asoiaf being unfinished
even though it ended poorly GoT is one of the most watched shows in history and still maintains a high rating
House of Dragon and Dunk and Egg are doing well also.
he's got other books outside of asoiaf, I've read a few they are good
I'm sure he's got plans for some type of endowment to a school or hospital or library to be set up in his name after he dies
his legacy will be fine.

>>25460873
Holy cope. It'll be a legacy of "what if?". His blog post of visiting Tolkien's grave solidified that he knows it as well.

>>25460911
he was being a sad boy thinking about his life and mortality, you are overestimating how much people will care that the series is unfinished
if people hated or were disappointed in him so much then his new shows wouldn't still be exploding in popularity
the "legacy" cope from people in these threads are the same thing twitter troons say about JK Rowling. The other 99% of the planet doesn't care that she has a bone to pick with transwomen, people will keep buying the Potter games, going to the movies, visiting the theme parks, and watching the TV shows. When she dies no one will mention her twitter account.

>>25460945
>if people hated or were disappointed in him so much then his new shows wouldn't still be exploding in popularity
normies never read the books. I doubt the majority of GOT/HOTD watchers even know who GRRM is. Amongst his fans, and general, book readers he will forever be known as someone who never finished his series.

>>25460958
>Amongst his fans, and general, book readers he will forever be known as someone who never finished his series.
This is actual cope, these fans will still be talking about the books and buying or recommending them to new readers. It ultimately doesn't matter.

>>25461001
>recommending them to new readers
Imagine recommending an incomplete book series to someone lmaoooooooo

Fire & Blood isn’t bad but it’s clear George just wants to talk about the Targaryens now.

>>25461030
>Fire & Blood isn’t bad
au contraire

>>25461030
The series has suffered massively due to the wikificiation of the targs because the casuals love muh flying weapon of mass destruction dogs. It’s why the lowest rated episodes of HOTD feature zero dragons.

The need to have everything explained via the targ point of view and this shit prophecy is killing the mystique and intrigue the series originally had.

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>>25461402
>And won't my bastard love that? Lady Walda is a Frey, and she has a fertile feel to her. I have become oddly fond of my fat little wife. The two before her never made a sound in bed, but this one squeals and shudders. I find that quite endearing. If she pops out sons the way she pops in tarts, the Dreadfort will soon be overrun with Boltons. Ramsay will kill them all, of course. That's for the best. I will not live long enough to see new sons to manhood, and boy lords are the bane of any House. Walda will grieve to see them die, though.

>>25461413
>If she pops out sons the way she pops in tarts
there are times when the fat man's prose hits just right

>>25459746
George is mad because he got several multi million series about his book and don't have executive control.

>>25461673
He should have fought for executive control right from the very beginning.

NEVER trust other people to get your vision across. It’s very rare that you will find someone who can.

>>25461738
George can’t even get his own vision across. If he could, ASOIAF would be completed.

>>25459630
Accurate
Only a retard would think the guy who wrote Tywin Lannister, Gregor Clegane, Varys and Vargo Hoat is naive.

>>25461402
the gold pile in the corner

>>25460613
Aren't the Dunk and Egg novellas/show the vehicle to showcase the Blackfyre rebellions? Four of the five rebellions happen during Dunk's lifetime (or all of them if you believe he survived Summerhall) and he's directly involved in the second, fourth, and most likely the third too. Think the AKOTSK show is going to be the closest thing we get to what you're asking. Just hope it doesn't go to shit like the other GOT shows

>>25461030
Fire and Blood was a chore to read. The narrative framing of it being a history book written after the fact sounds interesting, but >>25461046 hits the nail on the head with his comment on the "wikificiation of the targs." It's about as exciting to read as a wiki page is, and the only book in the series I have no interest in rereading

>>25462029
>the only book in the series I have no interest in rereading
You have an interest in rereading ADWD?

>>25462077
Not her but yes. Even though large parts of it are meandering filler, I really like Theon, Jon and Davos chapters.

>>25462077
Yeah, even if it is my least favorite of the main books and doesn't have the same highs as the first three. Currently going through a reread and I'm interested in doing the combined reading order of Feast/Dance for novelty's sake once I get there

>>25462077
>You have an interest in rereading ADWD?
It's a wonderful book in terms of worldbuilding and character development, it's only a disappointment in plot