i only upload ao3 fanfiction now

>>25526085
ok bye. fanfiction discussion is against /lit/ board rules

>>25526094
show me where the fanfiction discussion took place

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Greetings to my fellow cultivators.

>>25526104
Anon discusses how he writes fanfiction here >>25526085

>>25526125
this is like saying clara casewell is discussed because one guy makes one post saying to read it.

>>25526161
retard

Is there a single progression method in fiction that surpasses cultivation?

>>25526458
every single power system is cultivation if you look deeply enough.

>>25526458
beating ass

>Chapter 5
>MC finds a black magical tree seed that he keeps inside his soul
>Chapter 1369
>The black tree seed sprouts in his soul and gives him an OP power
>Finally explains some of the odd powers he has had throughout the story
Only had to wait 8 years of consistent releases to see this. I love shit like this.

>>25526458
Cultivation is the best default but it's also stale since it's what everything uses
So it's the best template but it's certainly not the best system in fiction, maybe unfairly simply because it's done to death

>>25526542
Wrong. Every power system is RPG leveling when you look deep enough.
Qi gathering is level 1-10.
Foundation establishment is levels 11-20.
Golden core is levels 21-30.
Nascent soul is 31-40.
Spirit severing is 41-50
Immortal is 51-60.

Secret realms are dungeons.
Inheritances and legacies are quests with hefty rewards.

>>25526458
Yeah, it's called skill and knowledge. Cultivation is just fags roiding up over and over.

>>25526568
What novel?

>>25526458
Cultivation is boring.

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>>25526576
This one knows the forbidden texts.

>>25526576
Framing matters quite a lot and the obviously artificial nature of litrpg's mechanisms is unappealing

>>25526576
>going straight from qi gathering to foundation establishment without qi condensation in between
ngmi

>>25526615
These clueless juniors are destined for qi deviation. Cultivators just don't transcend fate like they use to

>>25526458
Both the RPG and xianxia system can get pretty dull. One is about grinding monsters, the other is about sitting on your ass and taking a copious amount of drugs for a thousand years.
The gacha/dating sim/golden finger system at least forces the MC to get involved with other characters to earn rewards.

>>25526632
They're just worthless trash destined to crawl the earth. They will never transcend heaven.

I drank some wine (like my chinese cultivation webnovels!!!) and wrote 932 words whoa dudes wtf

>>25526632
Good. If everyone and their jade beauties are transcending fate, it's not fate.

>Dese Young Cultivators Don't Transcend Da Way Dey Used To: An Older Daoist's Fight to Keep his Lawn Free of Foreign Foot
>[Already strong] [Slice of Life] [Battling underaged opponents] [Gardening] [Dialogue-heavy]

>>25526458
Wealth accumulation via extreme capitalism (no stealing or crime allowed). It hits just right. You can go all the way up to galaxy/universe level accumulation too and then other dimensions n shiet.

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Was going to reply to some anons and before I knew it, the thread was archived. And you guys say this place is dead? lol
>>25523562
>>25523588
I was being criticized by the prose a fair bit, but it was only when you two elaborated on it (and I decided to look up what Purple Prose actually means lol) that I got some clarity on the situation, thank you. I know exactly what everyone is picking up from my writing and I know what I got to fix for the future. That being said I genuinely don't know how I'm going to begin fixing it lmao. At least I do know what the problem is, though.
Does it mean that I'm better off being more straightforward with the way I narrate things as opposed to trying to coat everything on a veil of emotion and lyric, so to speak? I could do that, but don't I risk the narrative lacking in emotion and being more on-the-nose? Like, I get what everyone means, but I don't quite understand what my alternative is here.
>because you fellas are overdoing this shit way too much
That is oddly reassuring, knowing I'm not the only one making this mistake... I'll also re-read my favorite novel and see how much of it is descriptions and emotions, that sounds like a good place to start.

>>25526458
Cultivation has already been done to death.
Every story should have a unique system. Learning new mechanics is part of the fun.

>>25526965
I'm neither of those posters, but my problem was that your sentences didn't actually parse correctly in English. You got so heavy into pathos language that you lost the meaning of what you were trying to describe.

Your post right there is perfectly legible. Why not just write in that style? Just tell me what was happening in that same matter of fact tone/style/voice.

Trying to be more pathos and poetic is great but the bar to do that well and have it be enjoyable to a reader is much much higher than Hemingway-style workman prose. And that's before you get into content and narrative type problems, like an interesting plot setting and characters.

>>25526965
The first thing you should learn is how people actually approach storytelling. Otherwise, you're just gonna spend years stumbling in the dark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuAv-42jzY

>>25526936
Disco Elysium did that nicely

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>>25526965
>and I decided to look up what Purple Prose actually means lol
well done!
hardly anyone does that
>At least I do know what the problem is
and that's 50% of the solution
every single self-help programme begins with, to paraphrase AA, "hi, I'm anon, and I suck"
>That being said I genuinely don't know how I'm going to begin fixing it lmao
1st, I gave you the exercise in that post 25523588, try it out
>I'll also re-read my favorite novel and see how much of it is descriptions and emotions, that sounds like a good place to start
yep
usually a chapter will do, but I personally have torn down entire novels in my decades of study

2nd step, prose-wise, the next exercise is to write a simple story in simple English. proofread it for spelling, grammar, punctuation, and formatting. start at 1,000 words.
3rdly, read up on act structures. accept nothing that goes under 4 acts. my personal favourite is Freytach

>don't I risk the narrative lacking in emotion and being more on-the-nose?
emotion is as much a product of plot circumstances as it is of melodramatic description, arguably MORE. remember, "sitcom" stands for "situational comedy". the comedy (and drama) arises from their circumstances, not just the wordplay and gags (which is what preceded sitcoms, e.g. patter and slapstick).
first lay out the situation. describe the place, the people, and finally the plot. your job is to first shock the reader, and then describe how the READER is thinking, which either aligns with what the protagonist is thinking, or (advanced twist) does not, so the reader then reacts "oh fugg he's doing the wrong thing now!"
you've been putting the cart before the horse.
>I'm not the only one
hardly
it's the most common mistake of every amateur on /wg/

TL;DR first write a good plot, then focus on your language and wordplay.
and all the above will take you years of consistent study and practice to git gud at.

>>25527104
>youtube
>zoom in
zoom into my dick cheese
faggiest and pseudest repackaging of basic storytelling technique ever

>>25526965
Speaking as first reader-anon I did get the sense that you weren't picking up what the others were putting down so I went for a purposefully more verbose response.

Most of the time you will not ever get any actual detailed reviews/critiques on your writing from randos on the internet, so you're going to have to train the skill of actually interpreting what a random short comment might be trying to convey even though most of the time they're only (hopefully) touching on a small part of a problem. Writer-anon seems to keep spitting out some good advice here >>25527168

>don't I risk the narrative lacking in emotion and being more on-the-nose?
You'd probably be surprised on how "simple" you can make default story telling without it becoming too on-the-nose or actually read as that "simple"/bad. Do the first/random chapter analysis writer-anon mentioned on one or a couple of stories. I'd recommend also doing an analysis on an decent quality english WN to get an idea/example from "amateur" writers on simpler "default" writing and how they enhance it in moderation here and there with characterization, tone or vibrancy. You do not want any one of these to become too overbearing or readers get fed up.

>>25527168
>faggiest and pseudest repackaging of basic storytelling technique ever
Dude didn’t even know what purple prose or trad pub meant. Why would you assume he knows the basics?
Assuming that other people know the same thing you do is a sign of autism.

>>25526586
The Storm King on royalroad

What are gu?

something posted by a spastic cunt

Harems are perfect for long WNs. No harem stories can only play the romance card once. This means that either the romance gets stretched out and becomes underwhelming or it gets resolved and unavailable for the rest of the story. In the latter case "beautiful women" will never be relevant in the rest of the story. Ie there won't be seduction or temptation or anything sweet either.

Harems side step these problems by allowing the author to just do the whole romance cycle again with another girl.

>>25528169
water is wet tier observation

>>25528197
I wish there was a list of "water is wet tier" observations about writing and plotting.

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Planning to finally post a web novel in the near future. My stories have NSFW content, but it's usually only 5-15% of the chapters. I'd rather not use Royal Road, because their guidelines seem too strict. Is Scribblehub the next best site for stories with NSFW content, or is it more suited for heavily erotic works?

>>25528169
You can't just do serial monogamous romance?
Stop being scared to kill off love interests. It's free character development.

>>25528169
That doesn't sound like harem at all

>>25528310
>Is Scribblehub the next best site for stories with NSFW content, or is it more suited for heavily erotic works?
you used "or" when both questions are yes
porn is a yes/no question for obvious reasons. either the site is a porn site or it isnt.

>>25526568
Shill harder Warden

>>25528419
My work isn't heavily erotic, so no, they're not the same question. If the stories there are expected to be futa cum inflation, my little occasionally-horny story isn't gonna fit in.

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>>25526458
There isn't a single good cultivation story in existence, so I'd say every single one.

>>25528519
Sky Pride is pretty ok. Probably my second favorite winnie so far.

>>25528450
your intention isnt the question tard, how did you miss that? world doesnt revolve around you

>>25528585
Take your meds.

>>25528586
take yours? what i said is sensible
you writing porn and thinking it should be hosted because its only light porn isnt how the world works
delusional retard

>>25528592
>what i said is sensible
not really

>>25528594
retard

>>25528595
dumb retard

>>25528596
I've typed my reasoning out you dumb fuck you're just whining with no thought process at all
kys

>>25528601
Your reasoning is retarded

>>25528605
you aren't sentient

>>25528606
you are dumber than a gu

>>25528608
oh
you're the retard spammer
that makes so much sense
go write your "light" porn story and complain that sites don't want to host it lmao
stupid fucking retard

>>25528612
>anyone who disagrees with me is the same person
see >>25528586

>>25528614
okay then im talking to 2 retards
dumb fucking retards

>>25528614
There is nothing so shameful and embarrassing I can imagine as pretending to be 2 people while accusing anons of samefag assuming

>>25528695
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/182250/schizophernalia

>>25528700
>nothing so shameful and embarrassing

I started reading Aura Overload and it made me think that if scifi ever becomes meta or RR it will be due variations on cyberpunk specifically. Not anything like Heinlein or The Expanse or whatever. The more I write my own story the more structural similarities I find to generic fantasy stories and tropes, obviously it works great with litrpg, and it's really easy to mix in stuff from other genres: Cyberpunk x fantasy, cyberpunk x wuxia, cyberpunk x lovecraft, and so on. I think there might be an explosion of creativity in the genre in the near future. Exciting.

>>25528706
Holy retardation batman. I apologize for the typos.

>>25528695
I'm the anon who asked the question originally. I stopped replying after telling that guy to take his meds. He clearly wasn't the reasonable sort.

>>25528736
retard

>>25528560
Does sky pride ever develop a secondary cast of characters? I got bored of over 30 chapters of MC talking to his plot device and background monks.

>>25528310
>My stories have NSFW content, but it's usually only 5-15% of the chapters
>only 5-15% of the chapters
>only
>chapters
is this the power of gooning?

>>25528899
never mind me, I just woke up and it read to me as the percentage per chapter

i'm pretty sure i know the answer to this, but unless i incorporate litrpg or cultivation elements to a story about the escapades of a thief stealing impossible to steal artifacts or treasures around the world, it's never gonna have an ass hair's chance or being read by anybody ever, right? that's what i'm getting from skimming this thread, anyway.

>>25528919
That depends entirely on what else there is and execution. To me there there is nothing inherently interesting in reading about someone sneaking around stealing shit.

>>25527970
I remember trying this and dropping it ages ago, maybe I should try reading it again

>>25528919
Why would anyone read it if you did have those elements? You haven't exactly outlined a particularly interesting plot.

What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>Every level-up point goes into Luck. If he needs strength, he'll loot it. If he needs better equipment, he'll loot that too.
I hate this. What's the point of having a system with stats in the first place if they're going to do something qUiRkY aNd UnIqUe with them? Just give them only the luck stat.

>>25528706
Cyberpunk is a setting and not a genre. It's a setting that some people like, but a lot of people dislike.
It's also much harder to write than other settings, because you have modern technology - instant communication, huge populations, computer/internet use. One of the things that makes fantasy so attractive is the lack of those technologies. (Just to be clear: it's not about cellphones, but rather about ubiquitous instant communication.) It's much easier to write a believable struggle in fantasy that relies on the hero's strength and cunning than in a modern-ish environment.

>Start reading a new story that's not a WN.
>Chapter 1
>The WyrmKin's claw pierced his chest.
>Jonah felt the...
And I'm done. Why did I think reading something that's not a WN would be a good idea?

>>25529084
The point of the system isn't to show how op the MC is but how weak the level 12 peasants are compared to the MC

>>25529096
>And I'm done
You NEED to get off tiktok and learn to read, man.

>Excessive sexual content is prohibited. The Sexual Content tag does not enable a fiction to have eroticism or sexual content as its primary focus. Erotic fictions are banned from the site. In general, while a fiction may include Sexual Content, it is prohibited from being the core element or a centralized driving point of a story; you must keep the Sexual Content to a minimum.

So I can't have a rape horse?

>>25529153
Caballo Homosexual De Las Montañas?

>>25529158
CABALLO
CABALLO

>>25529091
Totally agree, hence "IF scifi ever...". I think fantasy will remain more popular.

But I think those issues are less onerous with cyberpunk than for something like space opera as a dense culturally heterogenous corrupt city will have independent neighborhoods, monstrous reclusive murderers that have augmented themselves into beasts, and analogs to dungeons. The end of Phantom Liberty is almost like a dungeon run. The lack of centralization is what does it i think.

>>25528855
Yes, although only 1 or 2 are constants

>>25529221
*And without a strong central authority dead zones in communication might be common due to failing infrastructure and rogue organizations jamming

>>25529221
one of the main themes of cyberpunk is centralization. everyone everywhere lives under the thumb of the corpos. that's how you get absurd things like meat being illegal (so that you have to buy their synthetic meat substitute), which would be impossible if the entire world wasn't hypercentralized (or divided into a few hypercentralized blocs).
lack of centralization is one of the themes of *fantasy*. fantasy being inspired by western europe post fall of rome.

>>25528919
You have entirely the wrong mindset for popular writing, and in fact writing in general. If you want to write for yourself, to self-express, go away. You have an audience of zero to one. (I don't know if you honestly would even read the tripe you put to paper.)

As a popular writer you are an entertainer. You are there to GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT. You are not there to get paid, make money, get lots of sales, accumulate fame, be popular in your own person, make friends, find a gf, discover the secrets of immortality, NONE OF THAT; you are there to entertain people.

You need a servant mindset. Reading is EXPENSIVE. It costs time, mental attention, focus, energy, and if you're selling your writing, it costs money (which is a derivative of everything else I just mentioned and more). Even if you put it up for FREE, it costs something for readers to read it. So it has to be worth it TO THEM. The effort YOU put into writing it literally does not matter EXCEPT INSOFAR AS that effort makes the text better and more entertaining.

Stop complaining that readers want more of what they've found they liked. Stop complaining about genres and tropes and readerbases organizing themselves by genre. Instead, why don't you try writing something entertaining that will please people when they read it? You ever consider that? Think maybe that making other people happy could be a valid goal and use of your time?

There's a deeper truth to this: the self-expression is going to happen even if your goal is 100% to please readers. It's inevitable and unavoidable by the nature of what writing is. Your essence and interests will make it onto the page in hundreds of subtle ways as the narrative is constructed chapter by chapter, paragraph by paragraph, sentence by sentence, even in small word choices. But if you put the cart before the horse you're not going anywhere and people will point and laugh at you for being retarded.

>>25529236
>As a popular writer you are an entertainer. You are there to GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT. You are not there to get paid, make money, get lots of sales, accumulate fame, be popular in your own person, make friends, find a gf, discover the secrets of immortality, NONE OF THAT; you are there to entertain people.
This

>>25529227
Jamming barely even works any more, especially in urban environments. Fiber optic cable is so cheap it can be one time use now. Once a city is cobwebbed in old fiber optic cable that's 99% degraded it's really hard to cut the remaining 1% carrying data to localized transmitters and receivers.

My bigger problem with cyberpunk is that the age of tinkers in their garages inventing Apple computers is dead and long gone. Everything now is hyper centralized at the component manufacturing level and everyone is hyper aware of it because of news about east asia and gaming computer hardware prices. So how would America even have cyberpunk? We're more likely to fall straight back into WW2, no scratch that, because the government would have the power to easily track HAM radios. We'd fall back to like civil war era militias, or something like a middle east style insurgency.

All that to say that cyberpunk makes sense in the 80s and 90s reflecting on the humble origins of personal computing in the 60s and 70s. It makes much less sense now in the 2020s after LLMs and mass surveillance have become ubiquitous. Omniscient gods and demons make more sense, and barbarians that come in with a massive axe and smash the rituals fueling said gods and demons and liberating the people from comfortable slavery to thrust them into impoverished "freedom," those kinds of themes and dreams make sense, I think.

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>>25529236
The people don't know what they want. I will be the one to show it to them.

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>>25529266
Funny joke but look closely: I never even said the people know what they want. Who could have predicted the rise of Monster Girl Evolution, My New Life as a Max Level Archmage, or Gifted?

Hence even when one is focused on providing entertainment, there is plenty of room for creativity and trying new things. Genres and tropes are the surface level, sitting atop deeper themes that get to the heart of literature as an artform. Identity, growth, progression, alienation, having an uncomfortably hot mom; all of these are part of the human condition and can be explored in entertaining ways.

>>25529084
every system works like this including real life

>>25529257
>So how would America even have cyberpunk?
Yeah, it would never. To me cyberpunk is now essentially a kind of alternate history (I take this to an extreme in my setting and diverge much earlier than the 80s) where the world maintained the tinkerer ethos and the decentralized structure of the internet won out. The unreality is to me part of the appeal: Real life is so depressing that I don't think there will be a market for realistic scifi anytime soon. Realism for us converges to either posthuman misery porn or intuitively-absurd utopias too quickly.

There's also a spectrum between full on butlerian jihad and "the culture" style AI worship that I think is fertile. In one setting I used to work on the government has receded into a netwatch-like organization that fights the tattered remains of other governments and abducts/eliminates independent actors (especially AI) that get too powerful, and of course monitors and regulates nukes etc, but otherwise doesn't give a shit about their nominal citizens.
>But it would be trivial for them to totalitarianize everyone
Irl yes but I had a web of competing interests from necessary independent megacorps and a few economically entrenched AIs that turned my neo-america into an ecosystem rather than a reich.

A setting that should make a comeback is the 90s-2000s era magitek setting, like in Final Fantasy 8.
The everything-in-the-kitchen-sink approach to worldbuilding makes it more fun, especially when there are multiple magic systems existing side by side and the MC keeps losing access to one, so he has to keep rebuilding himself from scratch with another system.
Maybe the MC starts out having to learn to wield mana. Then, at the end of Book 1, he uncovers his secret origin of being a bioengineered superhuman, so he now needs to learn to control his OP inner powers. But then, plot twist, a parasitic soul that had been acting as his magical old man successfully takes over his body and ejects him into a much weaker clone, so now he must work his way up using some kind of nanotech system, and so on.
You know, just balls-to-the-wall, insane, edgy-13-year-old rambling. It'd be fun.

>>25529402
I hate that particular flavor BUT I love the general idea.
>You know, just balls-to-the-wall, insane, edgy-13-year-old rambling. It'd be fun.
THIS. So long as there's effort made to paper over the dissonance anyway.

>>25529415
>just balls-to-the-wall, insane, edgy-13-year-old rambling.
But that's all web fiction

Fellas: what kind of tier naming system do you prefer?
>D-grade (or lower) to S-grade
>Iron, Bronze, Silver, Gold, Diamond, ...
>something based around the local power system
>xth Tier
>other

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>>25529236
I used to be annoyed in /wg/ how no one ever considered the audience and would dismiss the very idea
This thread swung too far in the other direction. You can write for yourself and to self express while still keeping the audience in mind and focusing on making the story entertaining. It's a balance not an all or nothing thing, and it doesn't even need to be your #1 priority to succeed.

>>25529515
don't feed the troll

Best xianxia novel?

>>25529522
He seemed genuine? Trolls aren't just people you disagree with

>>25529529
Regressor's Tale of Cultivation

>>25529537
Dear NewFaggot, you were replying to the hotshot (self-proclaimed) Successful Author Anon who's tirelessly preached about pandering FULLY and COMPLETELY to the masses for years in these threads. He (allegedly) made it by studying the precepts and faithfully catering to the Web Novel Reader, whose mind he knows inside out but no one else does (don't even try, you're wrong and your ideas are laughable). He's a member of the secret discord cabal for True Successful Authors, where they don't let the plebs and where enlightened masters taught him all the tricks of the trade. That means he's always right and everyone else is wrong, no proof required. Disregarding also the fact that 999/1000 authors who do as he tells you flop hard and how he suffers from acute confirmation bias.

>>25529579
tldr

>>25529579
this general isn't even two years old yet schizo

>>25529579
I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for u tho. Or sorry that happened.

>>25529579
This is the second time you've done this. I am almost certainly the guy youre complaining about, who has a very large audience and is in those discord etc and I made this post >>25529515
Stop being a schizo and mixing together personalities

>>25529582
>>25529584
>>25529591
You can stop samefagging now

>>25529595
see >>25528614

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>>25529594
You've deluded yourself into believing you're him, but you're not, you small fry. He'd never entertain the suggestopm that your own ideas are important, thinking so means you haven't studied the market

>>25529606
I think I mindbroke you in a conversation in the past so you just assign all posts you don't like to me now, lol. But I am the 'hotshot' you're talking about for sure, the one who made the general and the guide in the OP. I'm not sure there's even an anon here who has more than 4k followers which I still consider pretty small.
If I had to guess the guy you're calling a troll is the one with like a $500/m patreon, since I've seen him mention that a few times

>>25529606
>>25529616
I think now that we've reached the point where both of you are accusing the other of being me, that I should speak up and say that you're both wrong
I've been sitting here quietly watching all this. should've ignored the troll, as I said

What would Popeye do in this situation?

>>25529622
>I think now that we've reached the point where both of you are accusing the other of being me,
You messed up your shitpost, it's clearly going in one direction not two

>>25529628
Nope. Follow the thread. They (you?) have both accused each other of being >25529522, which is actually me.
This is my final word. If you choose to continue accusing all and sundry of being me, that's not going to be my problem.

>>25529635
What? >>25529522 is irrelevant to the exchange. My replies were to the guy who accused me of being >>25529236
Meaning I was replying to >>25529579
Why would I accuse someone of being >>25529522? It's a one-off nothing post, who cares who made that one

>>25529635
you seem confused

>>25529625
eat spinach one assumes

>>25529010
Pop open a can of spinach and style on his foes before taking drag of his corncob style pipe.

>>25529010
Get raped by a Spinach egregore I would imagine.

Okay, I'll bite. What's the deal with Popeye?

Okay, I'll bite. What's the deal with Spectral Soul?

Okay, I'll bite.

>>25529816
ow fuck that hurts

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What a shit thread.

On a different note, does straight to KU authors count as /wg/? They’re all cut from the same cloth anyway.

>>25529896
>/wg/
Meant to write /wng/

>>25529896
>Path of the Deathless
If I remember the name right, the same dude wrote Godclads which is on RR. Anyway, self-published Amazon books are self-published and fit the parameters of this thread.

>>25529896
Not really but I give it a pass personally, who cares

>>25529896
I count them as /wng/ because they are more akin to WNs then traditionally published stories.

>>25529904
>>25529923
So what did you guys think about The Serpent and the Wings of Night by Carissa Broadbent?

The Crow and the Rabbit has gained 40 followers since the final chapter was published and the story marked as complete.
Thanks? I guess?

>>25529929
Just like there's a subset of RR users that won't even give a story a chance unless it has 30/50/200 chapters there's an even smaller subset that won't read anything unless it's complete.

>>25529481
I like all 4:
1) iron, steel, silver etc
2) n-th tier
3) Profound realm
4) D-grade, C-grade etc
I like all of them, but I think D-grade is the weakest of these. It just doesn't carry the same aura in a story and isn't open ended. Ie it's capped at S/SS/SSS grade.

>>25529132
No, I'm not reading furry shit. And if the story isn't furry shit then the author should've taken greater care in coming up with their first chapter.

>>25529931
wanting something that is complete is understandable. I get that. I don't get what the point of pressing follow is.

>>25529896
Strictly speaking yes but they're much more /wng/ in spirit

>>25529945
I'm not an author but doesn't a reader clicking "read later" count as a follow on your end?

>>25529938
How do you know it's fur/scale shit? Dragonlance has dragonkin in it and it's not like that.

>>25529946
What did you think about Alchemised by SenLinYu?

>>25529947
i do not think so.

>>25529952
I remember reading it and nothing else, haha

>>25529926
>11 emdashes in the prologue
>it’s not X. It’s Y.
>Publication date: August 30, 2022
Now I know who they trained the LLMs on.

>>25529980
>emdashes
>it's not X it's Y
is common American journalism copy, especially with NYT and WaPo and all the liberal left mainstream ilk

>>25529579
Posting from 4 hours later to highlight what an utterly worthless post looks like.

>>25529938
>I'm not reading furry shit
You mean, uh, stories with any sort of species other than human?

>>25529980
>11 emdashes
You fucking retards need to stop using any amount of emdashes as proof of anything, god fucking damn it. It's more offensive that you don't know how to fucking use them. You don't even need to learn how to type'em—it's done automatically in most writing software, jesus fuck.
Yes, I typed that one. Alt+0151 it's not that hard, retards.

>>25530058
Could’ve simply tapped hyphen twice—like a reasonable person.

>they haven't set up the compose key in their copy of GNU/SystemD/Linux

>>25530075
Works on writing software, not on windows.
>windows
Yes, I know.

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>cat died
>stop writing
>month later
>re-read the last thing I'd written
>can't remember what I was planning
>don't know what is happening on the page anymore
what do

>>25529481
I like how Bleach hits everyone with "Captain" tier

50+% of current risings stars are AI generated or assisted without being flagged
Many don't even good ratings
Discord and shout-out nepotism is going to kill royal road

>>25529481
Letter grade ranks, especially when they use S, are very annoying to me.

>>25530306
why did you complain about AI and then pivot to discords and shoutouts? i don't think those are linked

>>25530316
They are, no one reads 99.9% of ai spam (look at recent updates if you want proof) and the relatively low ratings show that people don't like it. But nepotism and gaming the RS algo means that low effort slop from retarded sociopaths crowds out stories that had actual work put into them.

Enshittification in real time.

>>25530321
i haven't investigated myself but the servers I'm in are really negative toward AI
have you clicked into the ai stories and made sure they're actually doing the shoutout spam garbage?
i kinda figured people are just retards and like ai writing

>>25530325
Mostly yes, iirc I think basically everything in the top 7 is stuffed with shout outs but I could be remembering wrong. It seems to be the primary way to get people to read your shit, so getting eyeballs on royal road now is a function of how much you're willing to be a grifting nepopiggy.
>i kinda figured people are just retards and like ai writing
All but one has much lower ratings than everything else on RS so many don't seem to. I worry that as time goes on and even the retarded people start getting unconsciously annoyed by everything they read feeling the same they'll just stop using the site entirely and it'll all collapse.

>>25530306
>>25530325
What's happening is the ai sloppers can out compete regular writers when it comes to putting out a lot of chapters which is the key to getting on RS. You need 20k words to even qualify and if you can drop a lot of chapters day 1 and continue to drop more every day you can pretty much guarantee getting on. RR gets millions of site visits every month, even if we assume a bunch of that is bots or scrapers it only requires a tiny % of that following a story to get on RS.
Swaps can help but swaps are useless if you swap with someone who either doesn't already have followers or wasn't gaining them.

>>25530339
It's infuriating. AI stories are so far uniformly dogshit, especially past the first chapter, I could literally make better ones myself and tuned to my preferences rather than those of Pooja from mumbai.

I don't understand why using AI without flagging it doesn't automatically get you penalized or something. I'm not even a writer so this isn't sour grapes.

>reread Enies Lobby
>All of my techniques... will evolve one step.
I've read a bunch of Er Gen's shit which is the only other context I've seen the term. I assume "step" is an Asian term for an advancement level above the current level?

>>25530330
i did my own fast audit.
#1 - no shoutouts, not ai (grammar issues that ai wouldn't make)
#2 - no shoutouts, not ai (same as above)
#3 - I didn't find anything definitive but the beginning seems weirdly polished. no shoutouts

honestly at this point im shocked that 0/3 are doing shoutouts
will continue, but i think you lied to my face about investigating yourself

>>25530361
#4 clearly isn't ai either, but finally has shout outs
idk i think you're just full of it at this point, think i stop here
stop coping over whatever you're coping about

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I like muscle mommies as much as the next closetted fag. But I’m not going to slog through a quagmire only to see “her bicep bulged” or “she cracked her heavy knuckles” once every blue moon.
Are there any female muscle growth system books out there?

>>25530343
>I don't understand why using AI without flagging it doesn't automatically get you penalized or something. I'm not even a writer so this isn't sour grapes.
AI is unprovable retard, do you live under a rock?

i hate ai schizodelusion posters almost as much as i hate ai itself

>>25529096
Third person aversion? I think something's wrong with your brain.

>>25530410
r

>>25529481
Numbers/Letter grades are kinda of bland. I'm using monsters in my story, (Lich>Revenant>Ghoul>Shade>Wisp), but idk if it's as intuitive as something like bronze, silver, god, etc.

>>25530426
>Lich>Revenant>Ghoul>Shade>Wisp
unless the whole story is necromancy/undead based it would be extremely weird for this to be the standard ranking system in a widespanning society
which might not be the case. but sometimes people pursue novelty at the expense of what just works

AI has mindbroken the entire creative industry

>>25530436
>unless the whole story is necromancy/undead based
It is. The premise is basically a standard sysapoc except everything runs on ghosts. Awakened people are called Haunters and they use Ghost powered apps on people's phones called Hauntware to fight. The system is called B.A.N.S.H.E.E.(Bound Apparition Network System for Haunted Electronical Equipment)
>but sometimes people pursue novelty at the expense of what just works
I'm probably doing that to some extent, but I also really like ghost puns which is honestly the biggest driver.

>>25530465
then your setting makes sense. most people don't build a whole world around X gimmick. obviously a unique power system naming is easy in that case

>>25530436
Why is shade below ghoul. Actually ghoul and lich aren't ghosts. I feel like it should be Phantom>Spectre>Revenant>Shade>Wisp

>>25530507
meant for >>25530426

>>25530507
>Phantom>Spectre>Revenant>Shade>Wisp
a Revenant is higher than phantom and spectre, no doubt in my mind

>>25530507
>Why is shade below ghoul. Actually ghoul and lich aren't ghosts
The tier was meant for the haunters, not the ghost themselves so I think the mix between the different types of undead is fine, idk. Lich kind of just works a pinnacle of undead and I can't really think of any other equivalent. I probably would go for a pure ghost if could think of one, but I don't think Phantom would be it

>>25530343
Be the change you want to see in the world. Make an alt-account that does nothing but review suspected AI slop poorly. Follow the rules and your review will be left up. Even if it's taken down, the rating remains.

Also make a point of rating reviews themselves. Give a thumbs up to reviews you agree with and thumbs down the glazers and report the AI generated reviews or rule breaking reviews.

>>25530465
I can fuck with that. Yokai Watch but reinterpreted. The kind of franchise to have a cult classic game on the DS that you have fond memories of playing during your parents' divorce.

>>25530394
This is definitely a be the change you want to see moment.

The last digit of my post decided how many minutes I spend here before I go read something.

>>25530465
You don’t need periods for abbreviations when you’re already using all caps.
BANSHEE

>>25530330
There's too many stupid people that just want numbers go up.
Look at Spirit Gardener on RS. It doesn't have obvious rule of 3 in the first chaptr but the MC is named Elara Lin. Multiple reviews pointing you weird shit. However it's still getting glazed in other reviews and in comments.

>>25530361
2 and 3 are both AIslop, the author just put some effort into editing the early chapters, which is a common tactic. Recalibrate your detectors.

>>25530464
Okay

>last 1% lifesteal chapter was 20 days ago
advice: don't get a child

>>25530633
Excuse you he has pre-partum psychosis. We must be understanding.

At least Selkie is posting Song of the Gift Giver again. I haven't read any of the chapters since he's been back on RR but I will... eventually. lmao.

>>25530306
No, not really. They're trash, they always are, but you're doompoasting for nothing (or rather, because you can't hit RS and you seethe)

>>25530677
wrong

>>25530616
I'm not seeing it in 3 after skimming it but 2 is pretty blatant from the start with the secondary character who is the whole focus of the story being named Elara

>>25530701
There were a lot of reviews calling out the AIsms in the butler story. They got all deleted, but it's still reflected in the trash rating average

>>25530265
stop petting cats and get yourself a dog, like a man

>>25530712
Dogs aren't kosher

>>25530756
>dogs aren't *halal
FTFY, Osama

>read webnovel
>all the men are pathetic crybabies that immediately die
>all the women are either lesbian or trans

>>25530791
This didn't happen but I'll believe it did because it's funny

>>25530791
>arrgghh I hate women so much it's unreal
>female lead? picked up!

I can never get enough of the comedy that is RR forums. There's a guy complaining that nobody leaves comments on stories. To prove his point, he brags about having 10,000 total views and 10 followers after 1 year of posting his story, so he therefore isn't a small author and should have more engagement. In his mind, those 10 followers represent every reader out there.

I admire their optimism sometimes. Imagine if these people came here, only to be told anything less than 5k followers within 3 months is a failure.

The Tragedy tag is useless. I've read stories with that tag that didn't feel like a tragedy, but I've also read stories that I dropped because of the tragedy. If I used that tag to choose what to read then I would filter out every story with that tag and that would have made me miss a bunch of a stories.

>>25530877
read my diary

>>25529949
>>25530050
Nobody sensible capitalizes Kin even if they use "wyrmkin" (and you shouldn't use that in the first place).

>>25530877
Unfortunately, like many classification systems, tags are reliant on everyone involved having the same understanding of the concept it expresses.

>>25530877
I wrote a story tagged tragedy once and the comments were nothing but endless crying about how the story was too tragic. I don't get why the genre even exists. No one wants it or enjoys it.

>read webnovel
>ayyliens invade earth
>humans fight back (they are losing)
>femc thinks this is fascism (fascism is very bad)

Now that the dust has settled, why is MLA so fucking boring

>>25530845
I wouldn't be that extreme with the numbers, but sure, I agree with the basic point.

>>25531002
Why would you think a story called "New Life as a Max Level Archmage" wouldn't be boring? It's obviously derivative slop.

>>25530980
I enjoy tragedies. But mostly they're more like Saw films but with the gore replaced by sad situations. Feels kind of pointless. So I write my own tragedies, but it's kind of exhausting.

>>25530559
>Lich kind of just works a pinnacle of undead and I can't really think of any other equivalent. I probably would go for a pure ghost if could think of one, but I don't think Phantom would be it
Wight?

Or onryou or hungry ghost if you want to get fancy.

>>25530507
Revenants technically aren't ghosts either. Sorta. Like technically a revenant is a ghost, but it's a ghost that can still inhabit and manipulate its body.

Also, it can teleport its body to itself so in effect it acts like a magic intelligent teleporting zombie. Like if Jason were a wizard.

>>25531002
Because femc

>>25530845
>10,000 total views and 10 followers after 1 year of posting his story
I didn't do any shoutouts and wrote-off meta and I got 10k views in a month, the fuck is he doing?

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>>25530845
>only to be told anything less than 5k followers within 3 months is a failure.
Success and failure are entirely relative to one's goals.
>Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY
There's an understanding even in the genre fiction author crowd, the creative writing class types, that an author needs to write five bad novels first, THEN they have a shot at writing something good. It's like a tube of toothpaste and the five bad novels are in the way. In webnovel terms maybe that's 200k words of a story that's objectively bad to mid, then you start to understand what goes into a good novel and what's crippling to a narrative.

In cooking terms it's fucking up the recipe a few times until you get it.
In lifting terms it's starting with baby weight and getting form right before you go trying to set impressive PRs.

>back to 5k followers in 3 months
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/169064/arcane-zoologist-the-dragons-chosen-progfan-magic/chapter/3947523/epilogue
(see the endnote)
Popular monster girl evolution / LitRPG author started a new story, I think it hit RS and had big shoutout swaps, but it settled out at 13XX followers. The author is unsure if she's going to continue the story, which I personally really like and would like to see continue, since it's a slow start and I can see it escalating (she has a good track record for this), BUT commercially? Yeah, it's not successful enough to be worth her time growing slowly compared to starting something new that might pop off right out the gate. (For reference her other story, The Magpie and the Archmage has over 6k followers, over 10k average views).

And now I check her patreon and yes she started something new, more in line with current trends (Arcane Zoologist was swimming against the current in terms of trends in the RR space).

That's not to say that Arcane Zoologist has no VALUE. I love it. But as an author one only has so much time and energy to produce a work, and when you're GOOD that time is even more valuable because you CAN write something of value whether or not it's popular. So then one has to optimize for what they value. Is it the small, cute story nobody's interested in? Or do you write something popular that puts money in the patreon account? It's all relative to what the author values in the moment.

Relativity. If Stephen King wrote a book that only sold 30k physical copies in the first week he'd feel like shit.

I can write about 1k words per hour, but for some reason I never manage to concentrate long enough through the day to actually write them. What am I missing, wngbros? Should I go check if I have ADHD or autism or some shit? Maybe I need meds.

>>25531228
>Sanderson's Writing Lectures
>If Stephen King
Holy bait batman

>>25531231
>I can write about 1k words per hour but never manage to actually write them
>Maybe I need meds.

>>25531236
Sanderson is literally in the OP, faggot.

>>25531231
a lack of discipline doesn't mean you have adhd, the entire fucking world is like that
being able to sit down and work on your goals is a rare trait. why do you think everyone is fat and out of shape with no meaningful skills?
i blame the smartphone, honestly

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>>25531236
I'm getting tired of being called bait for my effort posts. You really think I wouldn't reply if someone had an honest problem with mentioning [Link from the OP] or [Popular Author] when they're relevant to my point?

>>25531231
For me I have an entire ritual. Wake up, shower, sit down, reread yesterday's chapter, crack open an energy drink, put on some music, and write for as long as it takes. I'm in the middle of that now, actually, planning out where today's chapter is going.
>peaceful environment
>caffeine, typically 200-600mg
>minimal anxiety and time pressure
>understanding of where I'm going with the story
The routine of it is more important than any particular part of the routine. The ability to sit still and write words for a long period of time (longer than say 20 minutes) is a skill, and it grows like a muscle.

>>25531239
>i blame the smartphone, honestly
I keep mine on silent and tucked away while I write. But when I do get a call (rare but it happens) it DOES fuck up my routine. It's distracting.
A big part of being able to do heavy mental work is creating a distraction-free environment. I have a friend who is simply incapable of pursuing his goals because he lives with his aging parents and refuses to isolate himself from distractions.

Studies show that even having the phone in sight can be a distraction, so if that's a problem for anyone, try putting it on silent and putting it in another room entirely.

>>25531252
>I'm getting tired of being called bait for my effort posts.
it's just the same angry sperg every time lmao. don't worry

>>25531252
tl;dr schizo

I just do daily sprints. 30 mins at first, which I've been pushing up to 45 over time. I can fit that in between work and heading to the gym or other hobbies, and I manage roughly 1.5k words in that timeframe with no meds required.

I just torture myself and give myself headaches writing thousands of words a day and it works out

>Roen Ashveil was the Archmage of the Crimson Tower, the most powerful mage to ever live.
>He spent three centuries fighting wars, burying friends, shaping kingdoms, and becoming the kind of man history remembers for all the wrong reasons.
>Then he died alone on a bad chair.
>The next second, he wakes in his nineteen-year-old body, in his old house, with all his memories intact
and one very firm decision:
>He will absolutely NOT be the hero this time.
>He is opening an inn.
>Warm bread. Good ale. Quiet evenings. A life small enough that the world might finally leave him alone.
Do you guys think that authors like this ever consider just how limiting such a premise is? It seems like a good idea at first, but soon enough all the "look at how quirky and unique this is" runs its course and either it turns into a regular fantasy story or the readers get bored. Either way the premise will end up holding this story back.

>>25531325
If you can rake in $8,000 for the first few months, it doesn't matter where the story goes or if the cattle get bored of it next year

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>>25531325
It's a popular premise because it's formulaic
>MC desires a steady-state cozy lifestyle
>his past means everyone wants him to adventure instead
>he gets to sit somewhere stationary and adventure comes to him to resolve
>rinse and repeat ad infinitum

I'd say the problem with that particular set up isn't that it's limiting, it's that there's very little to distinguish it from other OPMC retirement stories. Maybe the regressor aspect, but if that's the story I'm thinking of, the MC is like bound by fate to both join the hero's party AND be the BBEG for the hero. So he's getting pulled into adventure by both the good and evil sides.

The strength of such stories is in the characters and their development. And there's always an off-ramp from the premise, too. The MC could just change his mind and answer the call to adventure, with the hopes of returning home once it's all resolved. And then you can rinse and repeat THAT story arc, too.

Banished from the Hero's Party, I Decided to Live a Quiet Life in the Countryside is my favorite in the subgenre, although I'm behind on the LN volumes.

Writing like it's nanowrimo, around 1667 words every day. That gets you 50k a month. If I feel I'm close to finishing a chapter I push past it, if I'm mid-way I leave it there. Then I go do other shit.

Remember the J-novel kadokawa contest, everyone! You have until december to finish, plenty o' time to write 75k words! And hey, if you fail like a little bitch, you can always post whatever shite you wrote to RR and maybe it'll get somewhere there!

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>Exiled as a Prince, I Was Given a Forbidden Eye Power that Commands Absolute Obedience!

>>25531348
Sadly I'm incapable of writing a story simple and short enough for the contest (it's a serious problem, I can't pace myself for shit).

Also their judges are retarded. None of the winners the put up on JNC appeal to me at all. Not sure what they're even going for.

>>25531366
Same. It tends to take me like 30k words just to establish the primary cast and conflict. No way am I wrapping up the whole shit in one satisfying book.

>>25531348
I still don't know why you people bother with this. Even if I had a guaranteed first place I wouldn't sign my rights over to them. RR is obviously so much better.

>>25531002
"Why is a slice of life story boring"
GEE WHIZ I WONDER

>>25531348
No. I'm keeping my rights. That whole contest seems like a scam.

>>25531252
>caffeine, typically 200-600mg
>minimal anxiety

>>25531437
NTA but I completely understand what that anon is talking about. Some people react differently to caffeine than the "wired and anxious" default, and have a massive tolerance for it. You guessed it, it's ADHDers who have been self-medicating with caffeine for a long ass time and never realized it.

>>25531340
I don't think it matters whether you can distinguish the story, because the story itself becomes boring. There's only so many times that "haha, I'm retired and don't need to deal with this" works before the readers get bored.

These stories frequently get dropped by the author because they will start bleeding readers by "book" 2-3. Even Beware of Chicken became more and more boring the further along you went.
>>25531337
No, he got $30/month and his last chapter was posted a month ago. I expect the story to never get finished.

>>25531452
>30$/mo
yeah that's pretty bad, I wouldn't continue if it dropped below a couple hundred, and I live in a very cheap country

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>>25531395
In fairness, Nichijou is slice of life. Slice of life doesn't "necessarily" mean healing. It just means no plot.

>>25531391
>>25531401
You guys are dumb it's not a scam like webnovel.com. You need to give them publishing rights in order for it to become a book. They get dibs if theres a sequel and the rights eventually revert to you. It's no different than tradpub, because it is tradpub.

>>25531452
>Even Beware of Chicken became more and more boring the further along you went.
it sounds like the story premise is just something you don't like, not inherently bad, because BOC has a massive fanbase that reads it actively to this day
seems very silly to say "the premise kills the story" after naming one of the biggest web serials on the internet that does the premise and remains extremely healthy after like 8 books of content

it's pretty adjacent to the archmage trend (since supposedly starting at max strength should kill most plots) yet even if MLA dropped half its patreon from the start it's still making 18k a month

not your cup of tea doesn't mean bad story

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>>25531444
>ADHDers who have been self-medicating with caffeine
MFW caffeine addiction is now yet another ADHD diagnosis

>>25531466
it's tradpub but worse with no track record and a blatantly better alternative (relative to the target audience) sitting right next to it that's free and doesn't require rights to be sold away
just a very dumb path imo

>>25531469
it's not a diagnosis, not really
it's just a common practice
any kind of mental stimulant alleviates the symptoms, so it's natural that people with the condition would end up relying on caffeine to level out

>>25531444
Caffeine having an association with ADHD is a myth. Different people react differently to caffeine, but it isn't ADHD dependent or even correlated.

t. meta-analyses of available studies

>>25531437
Also, caffeine only causes/worsens anxiety in some people and even then generally only at quantities over 1g.

>>25531480
my point is that the number of people with caffeine addiction is far higher than the number of people with actual clinical ADHD, and not "ADHD", so it's probabilistically more likely than anon has a caffeine addiction

>>25531488
digits of truth

>>25531480
>any kind of mental stimulant alleviates the symptoms
Stop getting your medical info from chatGPT. Snorting cocaine isn't gonna make you less hyper.

>>25531488
I agree that people in general have different caffeine reactions regardless of yes or no attention disorder
But I also still think ADHDers, or at least people with some other issues, would naturally end up self-medicating with caffeine. Because it's so widespread and available, so you might end up doing it without any intention or knowledge of the disorder.

>>25531491
>digits of truth
No.

>>25531491
fair point

>>25531497
>But I also still think ADHDers, or at least people with some other issues, would naturally end up self-medicating with caffeine
You cannot self-medicate ADHD with caffeine because caffeine does not alleviate, and in fact depending on your brand of ADHD can worsen, ADHD symptoms.

This is like saying some people self-medicate for IBS with fucking hot sauce. That's not how that works.

This isn't someone bipolar taking downers when they're manic or uppers when they're depressed.

>>25531491
Is caffeine withdrawal even similar to ADHD for anyone? The only person I've known that definitely had a caffeine addiction just got migraines when she stopped drinking the stuff. She treated diet coke like a diabetic treats fucking insulin. Not having any was a medical emergency.

She lived like that for fucking years before finally going through a miserable detox and quitting the stuff for good.

I would not wish that shit on anyone.

Not to boogeyman caffeine or anything. I have literally no idea what the fuck she did to get that physically addicted to the stuff. I'm assuming she was just way more sensitive than the average person.

>>25531543
yeah I only get a bit of a headache when i cold turkey caffeine if i like run out of coffee on a saturday and have to go no-coffee on sunday or whatever

>>25531401
>>25531391
>rights
Bold of you to assume I give a shit about the rights I'm signing away. I'm writing my least liked story of my own.

>some cocky cunt thinks he's found a plot hole
>casually point out it's not the case
>he keeps arguing
>finally make an effort post to flesh out how the story is fully in line with the rules established so far
>the guy goes back and edits his comments to look like he was actually complimenting me all along
>makes me look like a schizo arguing with ghosts
A whole new dimension of shameless, damn

>>25531554
>I'm writing my least liked story of my own.
why

>>25531573
nta, but for $15,000, I imagine

>>25531572
report and block him

>>25531578
Report for what? Excessive damage control?

>>25531543
>I have literally no idea what the fuck she did to get that physically addicted to the stuff
easy, just drink it like water all their life, not knowing / caring about the dependency created
Brazilians average 4 cups of coffee a day and think nothing of giving it to children
4 cups a day is right on the cusp of developing an addiction
which means that half the nation are coffee addicts
and this without considering other sources such as soda

>Is caffeine withdrawal even similar to ADHD
no, it's not, it's the opposite. you get lethargic, sleepy, and irritable
more like nicotine withdrawal (or so I'm told)
it's very intuitive: your body has come to depend on nicotine to get to baseline levels of alertness
take the crutch away and it takes time to readjust

>>25531543
Caffeine doesn't even cause physical dependency. It's all placebo and being a schizo. People get "addicted" to donuts and snickers too

>>25531580
trolling

>>25531625
>Caffeine doesn't even cause physical dependency
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3777290/
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/health-and-medicine/caffeine-addiction
https://www.hopkinsguides.com/hopkins/view/Johns_Hopkins_Psychiatry_Guide/787097/5/Caffeine_Use_Disorder

>is it a stimulant?
yes
>does removing it cause withdrawal symptoms?
yes
>does it cause cravings?
yes
>is it considered addictive?
no
>why not?
lack of research

>>25531651
Caffeine has been researched a lot and found to cause no changes in brain structure or chemistry comparable to genuinely addictive substances like nicotine.

But it's a stimulant. Of course you feel tired, unmotivated, have headaches, etc after you stop taking the stimulant because you never noticed how fucking tired you really were when it forcibly extracted better performance out of you. That's it. Those are not withdrawal symptoms, just your normal senses returning.

>>25531576

I'll take even 1k, money is money.

>>25531667
This is why the distinction "habit-forming" exists, specifically for substances that are "addictive" but not chemically addictive. At least, it should be used that way.

>>25531679
As said, people can form habits with literally anything, but that no longer has anything to do with the subject itself but is more a personality problem.

>>25531683
An addictive personality was a huge advantage before farming, you would get a guy fiending for a sniff of mammoth meat and berries and so getting them

>>25531667
that's not your normal senses. your baseline is not insane pounding debilitating headaches. habitually drinking caffeine lowers your baseline. you become addicted to it to return to baseline. there's no long-term benefit to drinking it.

>>25531667
wrong
Caffeine blocks adenosine receptors so your brain adapts by creating more which makes the stimulant the "new normal". When you get off of caffeine you still have the excess receptors which is what causes the feeling of withdrawl.

>>25531667
caffeine withdrawal has all the symptoms of addiction, we just aren't able to explain exactly how, yet

>>25531710
it's just rubberband effect
various meds have "withdrawal" backlashes despite not being addictive

>>25531718
>>25531710
>>25531667
The withdrawal of caffeine is nowhere near as bad as drugs. Believe me, there's no point of comparison. If you told me everyone in the world became addicted to caffeine in exchange for nobody to be addicted to anything else (Drugs, tobacco, alcohol) I'd take the deal immediately.

>write a fantasy protag with a bigass sword
>get a comment that it's unrealistic for a character to be swinging around a 5ft long sword
fuck going to kms

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>>25531758
>read fantasy
>*fantasy thing* isn't realistic

>admitting drugs affect people differently
>accepting that caffeine is a drug and a hard addictive drug on top of that
This is like that fucking
>on-topic discussion = chaos and misery
>off-topic discussion = calm civil discussion around a conference table
maymay.

>>25531725
>caffeine, tobacco, and alcohol are not drugs because...
There's always one donut in the class.

>>25531758
I mean did you explain how they were able to wield a bigass sword? Star Wars is fantasy, but if Han Solo suddenly pulled out a 4 meter long slab of steel, I would have questions.

>>25531773
it's because nobody is invested or cares about what they're saying, it's inconsequential chatter.
people get heated about stuff they actually believe in, writing and reading is their hobby if not more than that, and since it's 4chan it's emotionally disregulated autists so it goes off the rails fast

>>25531784
>since it's 4chan it's emotionally disregulated autists so it goes off the rails fast
As oppose to which other websites?

>>25531789
opposed*

>>25531780
nta but zweihander, spadon and nodachi are often 5ft+ irl. Large sword became more common after the 1300s because armor got much better but shields didn't keep up. The commenter is just a retard.

>>25531725
>if X withdrawal is not as bad as heroin withdrawal then X withdrawal is not withdrawal
No

>>25531773
more like the truism that the best boards to discuss something is not on the board meant for it
would you prefer I call that anon a raging caffeine-addled faggot?

>>25531784
>it's inconsequential chatter
there may be something to that

>>25531780
I described it as a 5 foot long, two handed greatsword. Not a 4 meter long slab of steel. It is a large sword by sword standards, but it is not a giant weapon. I think that the character being able to wield something like that explains itself.

>>25531789
4chan is especially bad about it, but the commentary is also more insightful/interesting
reddit and discord chatter is way more likely to not devolve into literal "youre a fucking RETARD" level responses, but the chatter is also way more banal, probably for that exact reason

Everything is addictive.
Phones are addictive. Porn is addictive. Forum browsing is addictive.
The question is how to make yourself addicted to writing.

>>25531801
>I described it as a 5 foot long, two handed greatsword
5 feet long isn't a greatsword. That's too short. And I figured the issue was you either described it as thick as fuck or it's just a setting where using a sword at all doesn't make sense, else I don't know what their problem is.

>>25531884
>5 feet long isn't a greatsword.
will never understand why people come in and state things like this so confidently
5 feet is definitionally a greatsword. it's a foot shorter than a full grown adult man.
how fucking big do you think swords are?

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>>25531902
>how fucking big do you think swords are?
How fucking big do *you* think swords are?

>>25531902
I swear to fuck, fantasy being obsessed with 1h and bastard swords has completely brain broken people about the size of 2h swords.

Katana worship doesn't help, since they're super short even for bastard swords.

>>25531914
kek imagine using that in a fight
That looks like a short man so that's probably on a 6.5ft, maybe 7ft sword, and for some reason the handle is gigantic, it's probably ornamental. Historically greatswords are around 5ft, 6ft at the max upper end. It just becomes useless as a weapon of war after that
The minutia isn't really the point though, it's that it blows my mind how people correct other people on factual info without even bothering to look it up themselves. Especially when you do it to an author who probably did research it themself first. It's just so weird, why?
(another one I see all the time is people correcting others on the weight of weapons. weapons are fucking light. a 6ft sword weighs around 7 pounds lol, and i bet that anon would've tried correcting that too "that's way too light"

>>25531710
>we just aren't able to explain exactly how, yet
People will perform the zaniest mental gymnastics to escape how they do in fact have significant control over their own experiences and aren't just victims free of responsibility