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STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANIS
What do you like the most, and dislike, about George's writing?
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread and bacon burned black washed down with mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and winter is coming and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR
>>25538509>What do you like the mostWhen he does it>and dislikeWhen he doesn't
>>25538544Kek>>25538509His food porn is comfy. He writes good internal monologues and characters. I never liked his gore and cynicism. GRRM could have been a great writer for good, spreading hope and ideals, but all he does is add to the Darkness, and in particularly gruesome ways.
Stannis will become the night king/leader of the others. Characters are constantly remarking on his blue eyes and how he looks like undead/like a skeleton
There is so much cringe in these books that I feel a lot of people have forgotten about. Does anyone else even remember Tyrion doing barrel rolls off of walls in the first book?
>>25538756he somersaulted from a merlon or gargoyle just onceit's even more cringe to complain about something citing a gross exaggeration.
>>25538756he does it once and he talks about how he used to do it as a kid until tywin chastised him.. how is that "cringe"?
>>25538760>>25538765You are replying to a zoomer, they think that anything eccentric is cringe and they think that being cringe is worse than having no personality. Do him and yourself a favor by ignoring him.
>>25538690George is very cynical and bitter, pretty sure he's never written anything that doesn't end with bittersweet at best.
>>25538828bittersweet is alrightbut George's bittersweet is way too bitter; his "sweet" comes from villainy eating itself (i.e. new villains arising to throw down old villains and take all they hold dear) rather than heroism and righteousness triumphing over villainythere is in his writing the absence of Good; i.e. the same as Evil
How many times is he gonna get asked this question?
George isn't as cynical as people think. He's writing about a pseudo medieval political system that he thinks is fucked up, he views other things in a slightly more positive light.
>>25538765>how is that "cringe"?Cause it's a dwarf doing extreme feats of athleticism? You don't think it's ridiculous that Tyrion, a guy that can't even walk properly and has to comically waddle everywhere can suddenly pull something like that off? Even GRRM realized it was retarded.
>>25539074>ai does my thinking for me
>>25539076Hmmmm, yeah, I'm gonna note that down as a cope and seethe on your part.
>>25539077 #cope and seetheNot an argument. Dismissing it as "cope" doesn't erase the point — GRRM himself walked the scene back in later books because even he thought it strained credulity. Funny how "ai does my thinking for me" gets thrown around the second someone makes a point you can't actually counter.
>>25539077>>25539109>Y-Y-YOU'RE SEETHING NOT ME
>>25539109did you reply to the wrong person?
To 25539111 (“Y-Y-YOU’RE SEETHING NOT ME”):You can call it seething if you want. You still haven't addressed the actual point.To 25539113 (“did you reply to the wrong person?”):No, I replied to the person who responded to my post. You’re the one who seems confused about the thread.Or, a little sharper:“Seething” is doing a lot of work here considering you still haven’t actually answered the argument.And:No. You replied to me, I replied to you. This isn’t exactly a difficult chain to follow.
85 iq zoomer jeet really pasting ai responses after getting challenged ONCE lol
>>25539074I think Geaorge's original idea for Tyrion was to make him some sort of weird jokester/buffon who's secretly very intelligent and educated, but the character soon -as in the very first book- evolved in a different direction. That's why Tyrion's introduction looks weird and out of place.
>>25539031he claimed at his work was a response to a wheel of Time, or at least inspired by it. Sanderson is so full of it
>>25539167>he claimed at hisFucking pronoun game fr no cap
>>25539031>as I was for wheel of timeNever read it but the consensus is that he fucked up the story and several characters from what I can see online.
>>25538976This is targfag cope and it’s sad
One thing I really loved about the post-Dance seasons of the show is how Davos didn't fall into obscurity when Stannis died. He stayed a pretty major political personage trusted and esteemed by a lot of people, and presumably died peaceably long after all the chaos of the story passed. I hope GRRM really does take his story in that direction
>>25539503Did show Davos have sons in the rainwood or does the sea worth name die with him? I like that surname “Seaworth”, and the sigil and backstory and want that family to thrive in Westeros after all is said and done
>show>show>show>showThis is /lit/, retards. Go back to /tv/.
Things from the show that are canon in the books:>mad dany>king bran >targ extinction >jobber Euron Things from the show that aren’t canon: >jon revived
>>25539570>jobber EuronThe fact that they cut Stoneheart and Gryff but left him in has got to speak to a greater importance in the story outlines George gave them, but they weren't able to pull off. I'm sticking to my theory of >Jon = good ice>Dany = good fire>Others = evil ice>Euron and his weird Valyrian shit = evil fire>Jon goes south to fight Euron>Dany goes north to fight the Others
>>25539599Dany is evil and will be seduced by Euron
>>25538346tomorrow 20th September George will make an announcementThe Winds of Winter will be in bookshops for Christmasthat will be his little hobbit gift to us for his birthdaydont say you havent heard it here first
Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up, she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew.
>>25539697He's a dreamer
>>25539755Get that ugly bitch out of this book thread and go back to /tv/
>>25539697Tomorrow is the 19th
>>25539503i really love this costume design for some reason
>>25539167Sanderson's WoT conclusion was so bad, so I get why trolls keep floating the idea of him taking a similarly flavored dump in GRRM's grass
So, who wrote the Pink Letter? I'm leaning towards actually being Ramsay's more and more
>>25539514Seven sons. Four adults die on Blackwater. Devan, a teen, is a squire to Stannis and pious Rhollist. Two youngest are children named Stannis and Steffon and are with their mother Marya in Stormlands.
>>25539514Nvm, I can't read. I don't think it's ever brought up
>>25540261It was Jon looking for excuse to desert again. Never trust a bastard, it is known
>le evil dark lord pirate What was George thinking honestly
>le gay whining postWhat was Anon thinking honestly
>le desert Charlie’s angels What was George thinking honestly
where my jonsa shooters at?
>>25541063>He did WHAT to my wife?!*TCHING*
>>25540261Wyman makes the most sense>Established as a distrustworthy creep>Knows enough of Ramsay's personality to mimic him>Could know the details of who's at the Wall from speaking to Mance and/or Spearwives>Has a motive to ragebait Jon and the Wildlings into joining the war against the Boltons>Probably wants Jon to die so he can put Rickon on the throne as a puppet>Is fat, so GRRM probably intends him to be a genius mastermind
>>25541063Whoa is this real
George turns 78 tomorrow
The watch loyalists were objectively in the right to kill jon snow
>>25541209Even Jon's "dumb" decision (marching south to fight Ramsay) was the correct decision, the Watch cannot fight on two fronts and having a psychopathic Bolton to the south of you is a ticking time bomb. The watch loyalists might be the dumbest characters in the books.
>>25541223>usurps command with a rigged election through trickery >immediately starts politically scheming with a false king, holding foreign religious ceremonies, and letting wildlings through the wallYou are incredibly biased because you are only looking at jons POV. If you look at the situation from what the loyalists see you'd understand how its a completely logical act to kill him
>>25541231Aemon and Jeor (indirectly by appointing Jon his steward) supported Jon being Lord Commander. That "false" king prevented the wall from falling by arriving with help and now the wall is far more manned as a result of those soldiers performing foreign religious ceremonies and the wildlings. Regardless if you disagree with these decisions and just going off what the conspirators know, murdering the current Lord Commander right after the previous Lord Commander was murdered is a moronic move and will lead to massive bloodshed now that the only man that the "false" king and the wildlings somewhat respect is dead, all in the middle of an apocalypse.
I believe stannis will win batlle of ice
>>25541231>they did what they thought were right, even though they were fucking retards who wouldn't accept temporary help from wildlings to defeat the fucking OTHERSis not the win you think it is
>>25541285the Bolton letter is a red herring. Ramsay will kill or maim Stannis and get his sword, but he won't actually defeat the army. and if Ramsay Bolton is sending letters, that almost certainly means Roose et al are dead.
Mance is the true hero of the story
>>25541503No, Jaime is.
>>25538509I most like and most dislike the fact that his entire Magnum Opus reached its apex and conclusion with Dany shitting herself nearly to death and then being carried off to an unknown fate by a bunch of barbarian rapists. I can only assume that George always intended it to end this way.
he is turning 78 tomorrow bros
>>25541585>>25539744>>25538533Ok this is epicEpic for the win
All 50,000 men, AND their horses too
>>25541880Named her dragon after him btw
>>25541909Because she understood that Viserys had a hard life. We only saw him at the end of it, after years and years of humiliation and abuse, years of laughter and dismissal. It would have been enough to ruin any person.
>>25541928There are characters (most of the main Starks really) who in a short period of time have had it far worse than Visy and still manage to not tell a 13 year old girl they'd let horses rape her after selling her to a man more than twice her age.
>>25542030Ok. I'm not going to try to make you understand. I dont care if you do. You're wrong. Ill leave it at that.
>>25541928He seemed ruined from the start.>… Prince Viserys was only a boy, it would have been years before he was fit to rule, and … forgive me, my queen, but you asked for truth … even as a child, your brother Viserys oft seemed to be his father’s son, in ways that Rhaegar never did.”
>>25542071Aerys himself wasnt all bad or even crazy for most of his reign so you cant say Barristan meant this in a purely negative way
>>25542096Then why would he say "forgive me"?
Explaining things to you people is exhausting
the last 1/3rd of adwd is so bad
>>25542145The first 2/3 ain't much better.
>>25542096>aerys himself wasnt all bad or even crazy for most of his reignTarg Propaganda
>>25541236Jeor was catastrophically incompetent and got a third of the watch killed in a mission that was borderline suicidal.
>>25542047You can't "make" me understand anything because you have no response lol, half the cast has gone through worse things than Viserys and didn't turn out psychopaths. He was fucked from the get go, end of story. Naming Viserion after Willem Darry would have made far more sense but Dany has serious issues.
>>25541827>grrm lives until the ripe old age of 102>adwd is still the last main book to ever be released
>>25542283What a shit take
>>25542416No argument? I accept your copecession.
what did you get george for his birthday?
>>25541209>The watch loyalists were objectively in the right to kill jon snowYeah, the fucker had it coming. All stereotypes about bastards being treacherous evil cunts are true.>>25541223>having a psychopathic Bolton to the south of you is a ticking time bomb. That's not for Jon to decide or act upon. His business is guarding the Wall, not playing politics with usurpers and northern lords. All demands in the Red Letter are legit.
>Was Aragorn a good king? A just king? How did he deal with taxes and floods? Or droughts? Did he kill orc babies?>Anyway, Bran becomes a sorcerer God King and Big Brother spying on everyone ehehehehehe
>>25542388>i have been depressed and unable to write due to the rise of fascism>posted from his gated community mansion
>>25541209Wrong. The purpose of the watch is to defend against the others. Working with the wildlings was inevitable since they need all the help they can get and the Boltons will probably attack the watch anyway
>>25542569The wildling stuff wasn't even the final straw, it was the blatant dereliction of his duties when he announced he was abandoning the wall to fight the Boltons, which is an obvious violation even if he's right to do it.But even the wildling stuff could have been handled better. Tormund and the Thenns are one thing, but he says he's willing to accept complete psychos like the Weeper, which is just retarded.
finished AFFC and it was my favorite in the series, now reading ADWD for the first time and having a really bad time, fell asleep while reading it at 5pm yesterday. it's the worst pacing i've seen in a fantasy bookalmost makes me not want TWOW if this is what it's going to be like
I just realized the meta reason for Jaime's release was so that he wouldnt be involved in the Red Wedding. Another perfectly threaded needle, George.
>>25542449I told him I would buy 78 copies of Winds.
>>25542524>All demands in the Red Letter are legit.No they are not. Putting aside the demands for Selyse and Shireen, it asks for Val and Mance's son which it has no business asking for considering they're under the purview of the Watch.
>>25542678100% agreed. Jon was a fool and a blind fool at that. I understand his logic that had he abandoned the wildlings, they would have risen as wights but honestly that would have been a better option. The wall is there for exactly that purpose. Not only would a few thousand wights give him ample evidence for the southern lords, but it would provide his extremely weak Watch an opportunity to train and learn how to fight these things, which they had not seen in literally thousands of years. Instead he has thousands of welfare beggars combined with what murderous savages. Most of whom wont listen even though they'll take everything he gives (which the Watch cannot afford). Culturally, they cannot adapt. Even while begging for food, they scorn "kneelers". Cant even see that they have no pride left to stand on. They should have been made to kneel or die. Now theres just a huge contingent of uncooperative, violent bandits that demand you give them free food and insult you for doing so. Jon was a fool, a damn fool, a thrice-damned fool.
>I understand his logic that had he abandoned the wildlings, they would have risen as wights but honestly that would have been a better option. The wall is there for exactly that purpose. Not only would a few thousand wights give him ample evidence for the southern lords, but it would provide his extremely weak Watch an opportunity to train and learn how to fight these things, which they had not seen in literally thousands of years.Holy shit this thread has the dumbest people alive in it.
>>25543168>a few thousand wightsIt would've been tens of thousands.
>>25543174>noooooo how dare you insult my bishounen anime hero
>>25543179Found Bowen Marsh (you're fat Bowen)
>>25543184he owned you lmao. any reference to anime tropes is an automatic win if not addressed nta but let your mentally deluded fantasies tell u so
>>25543178Ten thousand wights north of the wall is no big deal unless it goes down. Jon underestimates the potentially much worse problem that is ten thousand wildlings south of wall with dubious or no loyalty to anyone, no qualms regarding murder and pillage, and every reason to do it due to onset of winter.
>>25543168>>25543178Without the deus ex machina of the wight dragon, and assuming the tunnels of the castles along the Wall are filled with rock and frozen, can the wights get past the wall? If the Others freeze the sea on either end of the wall, can they just walk on the ice?
>>25543289There is an overland route at the Shadow Tower, which is why people usually theorize it as being the first to fall.
gurm is 78 years young
>>25543129>it asks for Val and Mance's son which it has no business asking for considering they're under the purview of the Watch.They're wildling niggers. The North has been fighting wildling incursions for millenia, it's not a privilege of the Watch.
>>25543279Or unless there's an overland route and the sea is freezing creating another overland route (both are true)
>>25543389So true, that's why they should demolish the bridge near the shadow tower.
>>25543279Having enemies at your back raiding as they please is the ideal defensive position, Jon is a strategic genius. Let's get the Weeper and his warband of rapist murderers this side of the Wall so they can make the ironborn attacks look good by comparison
>>25543436Jon was pretty smart then for binding the sane wildlings to him then by earning their respect, marrying them into the North and taking hostages. Let's murder him so that there's no one on the Wall that the wildlings respect, that's a good idea.
>>25543455Yes, accepting the sane ones and taking hostages was a good idea, indiscriminately accepting all of them would not be. I don't defend his murder but he brought that on himself for openly deserting his post.
Thr pink letter is a red herringSTANNIS WON
>>25543479Accepting all of them prevents more wights, which despite what you dumbasses keep claiming is the objectively better option (and the fact that you're claiming tens of thousands of extra wights is no big deal really indicates you haven't read the books). The ONLY way to keep those more nasty wildlings in line considering the limited resources of the watch is to give incentive for the sane wildlings to kick their ass when they step out of line, which Jon did by earning their respect and taking hostages. All of that was completely ruined by the conspirators murdering him, because all that's going to happen is that the sane wildlings are now going to feel like they have nothing to lose with a new leadership that is hostile to them and will likely murder the conspirators at a time where all hands are needed. Communication will also completely break down at a time when the people sent to Hardhome desperately need it. The conspirators were outright morons and despite bad communication on Jon's part, he had the right of it in nearly every decision he made and it's hilarious that a 17 year old had better long term planning and vision than men in their 40s and 50s. I can only assume this new wave of Jon seething is a result of his popularity and perhaps the theories that wank him off too hard but it's dumb as shit.
>>25543510>Accepting all of them prevents more wights, which despite what you dumbasses keep claiming is the objectively better optionFor which you have no argument other than repeating yourself and some kind of menstrual cramp fueled rage. There are already potentially countless wights beyond the wall and accepting packs of known maniacs behind your back to stab it whenever they please won't curb their numbers enough to make a difference.
>>25543534>For which you have no argument other than repeating yourself and some kind of menstrual cramp fueled rage.People beyond me have already pointed out that saying "the Wall can hold them bruh" and "it's more practice bruh" are moronic arguments not remotely supported by the text, you just ignored those arguments because they proved you wrong. Why you went with an argument quite possibly supported the least by the text is beyond me.
>>25539744>>25543523What the fuck is your problem
>>25543538I "ignore" what has nothing to do with me because I don't make every post in this thread.Holding back wights at the Shadow Tower and at some hypothetical frozen sea passage is considerably easier than doing the same while also having to protect the north from raids by the Weeper and his ilk. No, accepting the Weeper won't make the endless wights that already exist evaporate.
is it only me or is AGOT the worst written book of the series? prose-wise speaking
>>25543559>Holding back wights at the Shadow Tower and at some hypothetical frozen sea passage is considerably easier than doing the same while also having to protect the north from raids by the Weeper and his ilk. No, accepting the Weeper won't make the endless wights that already exist evaporate.Holding off wights at a frozen sea passage, especially if it freezes far enough out, is outright impossible. Assuming the wights find the Horn of Winter, the entire Wall is also gone. Every single body on the south side of the Wall is a higher chance for the south to potentially succeed in defending itself when the Wall falls, which it will. You completely ignored my point about the saner wildlings keeping the less sane wildings in line because you have no arguments besides making patently retarded claims and ignoring counterpoints that actually mention the text or even use common sense.
>>25539503I like Davos but there was no point of him staying after Season 5, other than him being a fan-favourite. He just became Jon's right hand man out of nowhere and people were supposed to trust him even though he was the biggest advisor of Stannis, who was their political rival.Same thing with Varys. Literally useless character four 4 seasons
>>25543579Did Jon have any better options after being revived in the show universe? Most of the north abandoned him (which was retarded) and the Vale lords are more loyal to Sansa. Realistically in the books characters like Wyman are going to be more helpful and will thus probably be better Hand options for Jon if he becomes KitN, putting aside that he might not have a traditional Hand in the first place.
>>25543571>Holding off wights at a frozen sea passage, especially if it freezes far enough out, is outright impossible. Assuming the wights find the Horn of Winter, the entire Wall is also gone. You exist in the realm of pure assumption.>You completely ignored my point about the saner wildlings keeping the less sane wildings in line because you have no arguments besides making patently retarded claims and ignoring counterpoints that actually mention the text or even use common senseYour point is cretinous and you are delusional. How are they going to "keep them in line", you stupid motherfucker? Browbeat them to death? Maybe a stern talking to will make them good boys. You're an actual retard.
>>25543592>You exist in the realm of pure assumption.No, it's basic logic. A frozen sea is not defensible (especially against ice creatures who don't tire and aren't affected by temperature) and will fully bypass a man made wall. If you knew anything about historical ice bridges this would be obvious, but again, basic common sense seems to be beyond you.>How are they going to "keep them in line", you stupid motherfucker? Browbeat them to death? Maybe a stern talking to will make them good boys. You're an actual retard.The same way that humans have kept each other in line for thousands of years, you retarded fuck. Even killing the ones that step too far out of line and burning them is better than letting them become wights. You might genuinely be the most retarded person to ever post in this shithole of a thread.
>>25543616>A frozen sea is not defensible and will fully bypass a man made wall.This is only true if the area that's frozen solidly enough to pass over is sufficiently large. Again, you're assuming things. There is no guarantee this will occur.>The same way that humans have kept each other in line for thousands of years, you retarded fuck. Even killing the ones that step too far out of line and burning them is better than letting them become wights. You might genuinely be the most retarded person to ever post in this shithole of a thread.Great idea, moron - let's just wage a war at our rear while also fighting the wights pouring in from the north. The fact that you would likely have to do this is the entire point of not letting them in to begin with. As for your microcephalic notion that they would be kept in line, it's just as likely that many wildlings already south of the wall would join them. There's also no assurance whatsoever that they would help fight the wights when they could easily run south while raiding everything in their path.
>>25543579Bronn is probably the biggest example of promotion via popularity. More spotlight than plenty of real characters and he becomes lord of Highgarden somehow
>>25543672So despite being a leader and his job being to plan for the worst, Jon should not assume the ice is going to spread farther than it has but he SHOULD assume that somehow the wildlings loyal to him won't be able to handle the nastier wildlings and will in fact join them in raiding extremely far south despite knowing what's coming and their children being hostages? Yeah, you got a galaxy brain and definitely aren't braindead retarded bud.
What you're no longer periodically releasing the content I pirate in both book, audio and hbo form?YOURE NO LONGER RELEASING MY FREE CONTENT!?
>>25543800Why would he assume that there would be a giant ice bridge when Cotter Pyke was capable of sailing to Hardhome? And why would he assume that the "loyal" wildlings would subdue the more savage wildlings when there's no basis for this whatsoever?You're barely coherent by now, little sis. I think you should go to sleep. Ask daddy to read you ASOIAF as a bedtime story, you might get your first contact with the books.
>>25543568>artist gets better as time progresseswoah
>>25541209True >>25541223It was the correct decision for Jon, but he still broke his vows and put the watch in hot water.
>>25543839>why would he assume [things can change from how they are now because he has temporal awareness]?>little sis/daddyUh oh he's steaming.
>>25543849Watch out, little sis, the Others could have fighter jets and drop a nuke on you.
>>25543842george was in his late fifties by the time got came out and had already releashed dozens of books lol he wasn't a beginner
>>25543905Then why does he act like his life began there
>>25544032its possible he got a large cash of money around that time circumstantially
These books aren't good, neither was the TV show, and you're all sad fat retards for obsessing this long over it. Imagine you have to explain how much time you wasted on this shit after you die, you have one life, use it, get a grip, GET OUT OF THIS THREAD
>>25544079What books do you think are better?
>>25544079I agree the TV show wasnt good, even before whatever seasons people think is bad, from the start it wasnt very good personally.Haven't read the books though
>>25544079I am curious to know what exactly you spend your life doing thats so worthwhileBe specific
>>25544032Wild Cards and ASOIAF barely kept him afloat; the HBO money propelled him to superstardom
I wish brothels were real
>>25544221Leave the states and you'd find one.
>>25544274Not even necessary. We have whores and brothels. We just keep them in a single trashy state instead of spreading them all over. Yuros dont even have that option and so have whores on every corner.
>>25544451>whores on every corner Yeah, because they don't have a retarded law that allows flimed pornography but not brothels and street whores. The prohibition only benefits porn studios.
>>25544803>The prohibition only benefits porn studioscoming from an attitude which does not regard the industry as immoral, you would certainly think so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbU2rmujons*bypasses your wall*
>>25544803This is cope
STAAAAAAAAANIS
>>25543591>and the Vale lords are more loyal to SansaWhich was also retarded since she lied to their face about Lysa for little finger.
>>25543591>Wyman Manderly>helpful
>>25543591>he might not have a traditional HandThat seems the most likely, Hand of the King seems to be exclusively an Iron Throne thing. Robb didn't have one, and when Asha tries to suggest the concept to Victarion, he thinks the entire concept is gay. Jon will still need advisors though, probably Howland Reed and maybe one of the Umbers. And Barbrey Dustin, should she live that long.
>>25544803how else would mr goldbergstein profit?
>>25545585unironically a great line
>>25544945Explain yourself. >>25545579Mr Stein could make more by controlling a good chunk of the newly allowed brothels.
>>25541504Jaime is the last hero.
After reclaiming the North from the Boltons and restoring Rickon Stark as Lord of Winterfell, Stannis Baratheon marched on King’s Landing and crushed the Lannisters, beginning a long and prosperous reign. History would remember him as the greatest King Westeros ever knew.Meanwhile, Daenerys Targaryen died pooping.
Oldtown is filled with sodomites like Satin and the queer Whoresbane Umber killed.
The north is full of closeted faggots like Hother Umber
>>25546235And Jon Snow
>>25542071Fucking Barrystan coping as ever. "Oh i actually saw right through those psychos (while doing nothing about it)", what a lying self-serving cunt, i get angry just thinking about him. Fuck.
>>25542416It's literally what happened.
>>25546073trvthnvke
If Cersei didn't dismiss him he would have just served the Lannisters until he died of seethe, but he pretends he went to dany because he finally realized what was right. What a pussy.
>>25546748If he actually had any honor he would have tried to slay robert tywin and the mountain in the throne room as soon as he saw the dead kids, or at the very least rejected roberts pardon and gone to the wall
>>25546755>honour is chimping out like a big baby all the time
>>25546070>long and prosperous reign.Save for the countless revolts and civil wars because he tries to install the cult of the lord of light and ban the worship of the seven.Win or lose he'd plunge the seven kingdoms into chaos and bloody wars.
>>25545585>>25543523>>25539744
>>25545410>when Asha tries to suggest the concept [Hand of the King] to Victarion, he thinks the entire concept is gay.To be fair, Victarion is an idiot.
Just read the red wedding. For the last decade I heard how well written it was. But it didnt really do anything too different from the show. Let down by the overhype.
>>25547261>picNoice, I also picture Victarion as Ray Stevenson. I don't think Victarion is supposed to have a beard, though.
victarion is a scumbag and I don't like having an "evil" character pov
>>25545605It has nice flow, not unlike Dany's diarrhea
>>25547274Ok
>>25546755>as soon as he saw the dead kidsHe didn't see them, he wasn't in the throne room at the time.
Wait wait wait. I'm about to read ASOIAF for the first time. I've watched the show but I just remembered the Hedge Knight exists, is it better to read the Hedge Knight series before or after ASOIAF. Frankly I'm kind of worried I won't like ASOIAF. But Ill go in whichever order is best for enjoyment and understanding
>>25546846How is not serving horrible people chimping out like a baby?
>>25547696read the main series first
>>25546846Honor is actually sticking to your principles even when it's hard, like how Robert's best friend resigned being his Hand because he didn't want to be party to something he objected to, even though killing Daenerys was as politically smart an option as killing Aegon and Rhaenys.
>>25546755>protect le childrenJust shut the fuck up.
>>25547696Main series first, hearing about all the stuff that happened during Egg's day and then actually reading it is more satisfying. Especially with a reveal in ADWD.
>>25547426You don’t like Cersei chapters too?
>>25547758Plus it adds cool moments on a rereadLike when Brienne finds Dunk's shieldThat one hit different after reading the dunk and egg books
Do you think this meeting will occur in the books, or is it purely a D&D invention?
I dont care about show bullshit and I wont discuss it
>>25547907Assuming Jon's identity is revealed and fAegon doesn't bite it early, I think a meeting of Targs in the Dragonpit does make sense and is rather fitting. Cersei being in power long enough to be there is the absurd part.
FINISH THE BOOKSYOU ABSOLUTE FUCKER
Legendary
George should write a legendarium
The peak of humanity
>>25546755>as he saw the dead kidsDragonspawn*
>>25547976>George should writeStop there
>>25547976I would take an entire book of just Bran chapters at this point
>>25548105About to read GOT for the first time, what's wrong with Bran chapters?
>>25548342Incredibly boring and unlike other boring viewpoint characters he has a constant cocktease of insane magical shit that we still haven't gotten to.
>Fat writes on his blog "Melissandre was kinda right about all">Dies next day
