Read New Life as a Max Level Archmage

>>25549610
Just died of boredom

https://zpocalypse666.wordpress.com/

Chapter 1

>>25549633
Virus

>>25549629
Read Gifted

>>25549673
Worm

>>25549673
Well thanks you just guaranteed me no reads even though it's not a virus.

>>25549712
I would've been a reader but I'm not trusting a random wordpress site, shit could be a virus.
Do you people have no internet hygiene at all? Random links on 4chan is exactly where that shit would happen
Put it in a rentry like a sane person. Or link your royal road or other serial site.

>>25549629
>>25549673
samefag sabotaging our local /wng/ authors

>>25549716
https://rentry.co/87b8f6st

>>25549742
why is your opening paragraph 350 words long?

>>25549742
I'm in a line-edity mood if you want some advice in regard to the sentence level writing.
But say no if you're one of those anons who doesn't care about prose, please

>>25549758
Go for it

>>25549716
"Ah yes, wordpress the website known for malware and keylogging.," sighed Anon, as he rolled his eyes.

>>25549677
Absolute peak

>>25549775
It's a custom website, dork. Do you think Wordpress websites are somehow safer than other websites?

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Read 10000 tragedies

>>25549794
Elaborate. What is it about?

>>25549803
Read it, it’s peak, just like Gifted.

>>25549759
Only looking at the first mega-paragraph so far: the biggest issue is the 'was' spam. I'm not one of those YouTube gurus who will say avoid to-be verbs at all cost, but regurgitated advice like that comes about for a reason, just like show-don't-tell did. It's unpleasant to see so many 'was's back to back, or at least, it's a sign of weak writing (passive or stock constructions, not looking for interesting verbs). It's especially bad in your opening lines since those are the most important in the book.
The second biggest issue is the comma spam. If you like writing long, complex sentences, I highly recommend AT LEAST bringing in the em-dash.
The gigantic opening paragraph is an issue too. I broke it into nine different ones. The purpose of a break is to signal "change of thought". Once your topic changes (which is a feel thing) then you should hit enter.
In web novels, short paragraphs are especially valuable. Some of mine still get pretty long, but only because the ideas undoubtedly belong in the same clump. Yours 100% do not.
Also a lot of hedging/filtering/fluff I trimmed.

This is what it looks like after an edit pass. Feel free to ask why I did something:

>The Athena bobbed rhythmically on the glistening surface of the Mediterranean, its captain, the only soul onboard, holding a pair of binoculars to his fierce blue eyes. A mile off, a dinghy made quick progress riding the currents straight for the Athena.

>The captain, who'd once been called a “Prepper”, had braced himself for such an encounter, however it may transpire. Being that he had foreseen calamity, had felt in his bones that a Black Swan Event was inevitable, and had prepared duly for all outcomes... well, he was probably the smartest person left alive. Or at least the most resourceful.

>He spied two figures from behind his military grade binoculars: a man and a woman. They had a lot of fuckin’ balls, he thought. He was three miles off the coast of Marseille. Getting this far out and doing it on a dinghy no less was brave—or rather, stupid.

>The captain considered firing a warning shot. They obviously had no radio equipment, but they would hear that, and hopefully heed it.

>He couldn’t have them onboard. The optimal amount of people for an operation was always the minimum. And this was a one man job.

>Pirates? he wondered. He had killed three over the course of the two years he had taken to the sea. Two of them on the same day. He wasn’t above killing. No, such Christian morality was moot now. There was only him and the Athena. That was the world, and everything outside of it was hell.

>He picked up his rifle—a hard thing to come by in Europe—and propped it up on the starboard hull side. He took another look at the dinghy. Yes, a man and a woman.

>The woman seemed to be holding something. He hesitated, then lowered the binoculars and stared incredulously. Could it really be?

>Shit, it was. She was cradling a child in her arms.

>>25549803
Every time the mc dies, he is transported back 24 hours before his death. It's kind of mid in many ways but the prose is alright (probably written with ai assistance), approaching traditionally published works, also plot is fairly non linear.

>>25549815
Gifted is trash

>>25549850
>Gifted is trash
If it's trash why does it have the 5th biggest web novel patreon in just 2 months after release?

>>25549856
because quality and popularity are not synonymous

>>25549864
vapid
so many readers wouldn't pay for advance chapters if they didn't see something meritorious or exciting in it
if you want to say "but I personally don't like it, it doesn't fit my taste"... sure
but then, I will repeat: vapid

>>25549868
No, I am literally saying what I am saying. Retard.

Objective quality (how well something is rendered, how technically good it is) does not correlate 1:1 with appeal to a mass audience. If you have objectively good writing but no readers, it may very well be that your reading takes too much effort to engage with and you need to retardify it. We're sloppers you retard, you should understand this.

argumentum ad populum :<

>>25549876
Nta, there is slop and then there is Gifted. I like slop as much as the next guy but Gifted doesn't even reach the standard of slop.

>>25549876
so despite apparently bad objective quality on technical markers, it's still the most successful web novel launch of all time?
then the raw story has to be unbelievably good. or something else.

since you said it first: you're a fucking retard. you have no critical thinking ability

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>>25549885
ok whatever I'm just going to go write my own slop

>>25549889
>it's the retarded N word spammer
yeah makes sense. go slop it up hoggy

>>25549856
Gifted audience is unironically mentally ill people sexually attracted to their mothers, that's basically the "appeal" of Gifted.

>>25549890
>N word spammer
Uh oh upset newfag alert!

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>>25549890
NEWNIGGER ALERT WE'VE GOT A NEWNIGGER ALERT
HE LOVES GIFTED
HE GETS UPSET BY THE NIGGER WORD
HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR THEORY

>>25549900
>>25549896
spergs

>>25549905
You will always be a newfag and incapable of a normal pleasant conversation.

>>25549913
the irony is mindboggling. it almost makes me think you're playing a character

Any new haremkino?

>>25549890
Nta but you're a nigger

Why is Gifted so controversial?

>>25549775
The obese sysadmin shockingly arched his eyebrows in horror and heaved his bulk angrily as he was totally outraged by the moronic post and had to stand up in shock he was so surprised. "Listen here, buddy," he snapped angrily, "wordpress is infamous for poorly maintained and highly exploitable plugins." Quivering with righteous fury as he began to overheat he gulped down a quart of ice cold milk as he chased it gluttonously with 7 chocolate chip cookies and a spare hamburger or two. "Not to mention that AI has evolved the cyber threat landscape — for the worse." He arched an eyebrow inquisitively and continued: "I don't even keep my printer plugged in when I'm not using it. Do you really think I'm going to trust WORDPRESS?"

He hopped onto his hoverboard cyberly and datajacked out of there.

>>25549990
If you're going to shitpost don't use AI please

>>25549997
I don't know if I should be insulted or flattered.

>>25549990
>datajacked
dude thinks he's a shadowrunner
laughing girls.jpg

>>25549891
The appeal of Gifted is pleasing the people that think "Why didn't the MC spend every waking moment since before coming out of his mother's pussy training to be stronger?" when reading a reincarnation isekai story

>>25550001
Definitely insulted

The truth is that bad stories don't get talked about. Good stories do

this general has gone to shit

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I'm currently writing a short story collection

>>25550056
>/wng/ - Web Novel General

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REMINDER: Dreams do come true and everyone in this general is going to be an amazing, successful writer very soon.

>>25550077
God I hate fake encouragement like this. Every public space is full of it. Can we please be different?
Try: you WILL fail unless you outwork your opponents and understand what creates success. Only 0.1% of authors make it. Figuring out why is the very baseline.

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>writing quality (especially pacing) improved
>patreon subs actually recovered somewhat
Huh. Git gud applies to webnovels as much as anything else. Who'da thunk...

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Got a ToS question I kind of want to just throw out as a survey before I bother pestering RR staff so they don't change their minds

Has anyone seen any covers on Royal Road featuring characters who are topless but their breasts are fully obscured by things like hair or due to their back facing the viewer? Tried to pick the most SFW example to illustrate what I meant so you get topless John Arbuckle.

Shockingly this is not meant to be done with sexual/lascivious intent.

>>25550122
TOS isn't a 300 page contract that meticulously defines what is and isn't allowed. The site is run by a team of ~7 people tops. Probably only 2 content admins (John and Dawn)
Some guy will look at the cover, judge if it suitable for a SFW site, and deny if it isn't. John is the hardass and Dawn is nicer
It is entirely a vibe check by one person at one point in time. There is no consistency.

>>25550128
I was more specifically curious as to if anyone had seen covers like that and if I was gonna have to open a ticket and ask "Hey does this cover pass muster or would you prefer I do X or Y before I submi?" If people had seen a few covers with that sort of item on it, I wouldn't, but if no one has then I gotta do that while I'm still in the WIP phase.

>>25550122
>topless John Arbuckle
LUSTAWAY ACTIVATED
TRANSFERRED PHYSICAL AROUSAL INTO METAMIND

>>25550135
I've never seen tasteful implied nudity, no.
This might not be a strict TOS thing so much as a story that does that on its cover probably isnt on brand for RR and thus isnt popular

>start posting chapters abysmally slow on another site expecting nothing
>actually get much more engagement than I expected
>comments are overwhelmingly positive

Bros... I think I'm starting to get delusional before I'd even launched a single chapter in RR

>>25550202
don't know what site you're talking about but AO3 and ScribbleHub are way nicer and more active for small stories. RR has the worst commenter culture of all sites I've been on.
unfortunately, RR is also where you get paypiggies and it's also how you blow up
maybe that correlates somehow

>>25550206
>RR has the worst commenter culture of all sites I've been on.
LMAO
Don't go to webnovel (but then again, why would you?)

>>25550206
RR is about average. I guess it's the worst western focused one.

>>25550122
Are bare titties on the cover really this important to you?
>Please note that if, for example, a story had a sexual image and it was detected by 3rd parties, Royal Road as a platform could get demonetized. Accordingly, such violations could result in an instant ban.

>>25549604
Honeyfeed is almost impressively bad.

>>25550084
Korean grandma pilled.

"I'm not covering you in sacred torture oils, if wouldn't be proper and your girlfriend would be jealous."
"Oh no master, I'm actually too fantastically retarded to think of your sensuous torture oil psychic massage as a sex thing."

Bless Sky Pride.

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>>25550084
That is a fair statement

What are gu?

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>>25550737
Bless Sky Pride for educating the Young Juniors.

>>25549850
>probably written with ai assistance
Nope. Don't use LLMs, never have and never will.

I am very tired of commenters who only say TFTC

>>25550135
You can just message them with the cover and ask.

>>25550833
at first I thought it was weird but I came to understand these people are just letting you know they are still reading.

>>25550833
whatever you're writing, as always: TFTC anon!

>>25550833
thanks for the comment

>>25550791
Why no discord?

>>25550879
In the end I just don't want to. That'd be an extra drain on my time that I'd rather invest in other stuff.

>>25550833
Touch Fluffy-Tail Cat

I read Brandon Sanderson uses Wikidpad to keep track of his continuity and worldbuilding. I read the basics and it seems like a decent enough tool. However, before I go through the hassle of learning the ropes of it, I want to know your opinions. Does any of you use it? Is there a better tool out there for the same purpose?

>>25550128
>John is the Hardass
Really stings. I remember asking him to set my cover manually six years ago because there was too much bare skin and it tripped the automod. He also used to be much more lenient in general.

>>25551104
TiddlyWiki is a bit more complete IMHO

>>25550206
RR is fine. It doesn't remotely compare to webnovel, let alone the less mainstream eastern sites

>>25551110
I imagine it's half because RR cracked down on nsfw (used to allow some pretty crazy stuff) and half because 6 years of customer support breaks a person's spirit

>>25551118
It's the least friendly western site though by a good margin

>>25551118
>webnovel
isn't that the one which takes your IP and derivative IPs as well?

>>25551270
If you actually sign with them, yes. Not by default. But it's bad enough that common advice from famous CN authors is to suffer through the first novel to get popular and get in a position where you can negotiate for a better contract.

>>25551273
Thankfully we're not Chinese.

>>25551311
so you don't get a contract at all, as a straight white male
...you ARE a straight white male, right?

>>25551351
Lots of straight white males still getting contracts, though. Maybe it's just you not getting anything?

>>25551393
Don't engage with unskilled seethers

>>25551393
>Lots of straight white males still getting contracts, though
sure, but they all have to at the very minimum declare LGBT allyship first

/pol/tards completely in shambles

>>25551474
Isn't it just the insectoid?

Why are we getting raided?

>saars vi are be raided motherbenchod

>>25549794
Already am and have been following for a bit now. Enjoying it. Keep it up NMR-3

>>25551104
I use Obsidian for worldbuilding and note keeping in general. Too lazy to learn how wikis work.

>>25551634
Same here. Obsidian does everything you need for a wiki like structure without having to do any weird setup and the files are just normal .me so you can take them anywhere.

>>25551116
I've tried this before and found it a bit jank. Never used Wikipad though so idk how they compare

I would like Obsidian a lot more if it didn't have the retarded text formatting and if I could copy paste from it directly into RR or Patreon's text editors with the formatting being a 1:1.

>>25551749
That's also why I settled on Scrivener over Obsidian

>>25551104
Obsidian with some plugins. Does everything I could ever want.

>>25551566
It's good but he releases like 2 chapters a week, im currenty stacking chapters but it's still gonna take a year to really have enough for a long and uninterrupted reading.

>>25551749
What don't you like about the formatting?

Also
> copy paste from it directly into RR or Patreon's text editors with the formatting being a 1:1.
Ctrl+Shift+V

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I use scrivener

>>25551854
>Ctrl+Shift+V
this is plain text paste, it removes italics

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i take all my notes on an empty discord server

Used to use scrivener for the past 6–9-ish years until just until this year had started and I started to only write in the RR draft editor itself.

>>25551955
that's pretty degenerate

>>25551955
Sounds like something someone would say moments before they lose everything they wrote. Also what's the point? afaik You can directly copy and paste from Scrivener to RR if you use Basic HTML mode.

>second attempt at writing a chapter failed
>feeling miserable
Gonna try again tomorrow. I'm getting deeper and deeper into my characters' heads which is nice but damn I crammed too much into my plot time-wise.

>>25551955
Chad move. In another 6-9 years you'll be writing blindfolded.

Wait I can just take the story I've been gooning to and make it an actual webnovel.

>>25551940
Obsidian doesn't have italics in the same way other doc programs do. Its pure markdown. The 'italics' are either done *like this* or _like this_. So yeah those won't transfer the way you're expecting.

>>25552129
>So yeah those won't transfer the way you're expecting.
Which is the point?

>>25552126
yeah
put it on SpaceBattles

>>25552131
Honestly, I've never had this issue as I've just never needed it to work like that. But I looked it up for you and you have two options. 1: copy specifically from reading mode. That will actually grab a rich text version that should contain the italics. 2: use the 'copy as html' function in the command pallet. You could also map that to whatever shortcut you want to make it easier.

>>25552142
>Honestly, I've never had this issue as I've just never needed it to work like that.
You don't write in your main program then post work to serial sites? It's not a rare use case
I'm not the original anon, I just dropped Obsidian for the same issue (plus how line spacing/adjustability sucked ass in general)

>>25552139
are you baiting responses? SpaceBattles is even more autistically aggressive about sexual content than Royal Road. You couldn't name a mainstream web novel website more puritanical about sexual content

>>25552174
People are just stupid and uninformed here, I'm afraid

>>25552172
Though I am writing I have not posted anything anywhere yet. Not sure if I ever will, it's mostly for my own enjoyment. And honestly none of what I write would work as serials anyway.

>>25552174
it's likely a joke silly

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what is the point of being puritanical about books
its just WORDS what the fuck, this ain't the king in yellow

>>25552188
>none of what I write would work as serials anyway.
Why are you in /wng/?

>doing a lot of writing recently
>it's fanficslop so I cannot speak on it

>>25552192
fanfic is against board rules but I talk about it all the time and have never been warned
meanwhile I got insta banned for an obvious shitpost about being F gardner a year or two back, my only ban
jannies are mentally ill and focus on popular figures or shit that triggers them. i don't think any janny is mentally ill about fanfiction specifically, so you can talk about it to your heart's content.

>>25552189
i'm glad you still have faith in anons, i guess? I see obviously wrong shit way too often to extend that same grace

I know it's slop as fuck but I'm currently really enjoying Hell Difficulty Tutorial. I feel I'm watching the author progress his own writing skills as the books move along, and it's a lot less flat sounding than most litrpg stories are (although the bar is very low.)

>>25552194
Childhood is when you idolize the Jannies. Adulthood is when you realize F Gardner makes more sense

>>25552174
And reddity. I love watching them on anything to do with Christianity, threads never last longer than a week. I think the most recent one was some post apocalyptic revival of the catholics was banned because if nono words like baraby.

>>25552194
Besides, 99 percent of the shitposts and rule breaking stuff is the jannies anyway.

>>25552293
what did Gardner do to you that you'd wanna F him?

Does Patreon have any way to give early access only to a specific tier but still keep the post paid, so that on the scheduled time it's unlocked for the other tiers?

spacebattlesfags
where do i find the deep xeelee lore autism threads? i mean extra deep supersize me deep

>>25552293
Some of the books were a lot of surprising fun to read as an /x/fag, even if they get repetitive. My faves were Call of the Arcade and Horror's End selftitled.
And the complete lack of improvement in prose or punctuation, oh god the COMMAS.

>>25552405
Look for xeelee vs todash space monsters if you want 4 pages of like 250k words of autistic slapfights.

>>25552424
im hoping they talk more about the actual lore/stories but im already several paragraphs into the first google hit and i can tell this is going to take up some time
i don't care about powerlevels

>>25552378
No, it's one of the flaws of Patreon for webnovelists. My recommendation is to keep as few paid tiers as possible, or as many as you can easily manage. For me, that's the main tier, and then a cheaper tier that I have to manually remember to update, and then usually at the same time I update the chapter that's becoming free that day. I may stop doing that free chapter shit at some point.

>>25552428
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/xeelee-sequence-cosmology-and-technologies-thread.924944/

Here's some more autism for all it's in the vs thread. It opens stuff up mostly for the purposes of comparing it.

>>25552435
no sleep in my near future
thanks

Bodyguard to the future demon queen is not AI. The beginning did make me think so as well, but somewhere in the middle that changed. Now it reads like decently written fiction from 5+ years ago.

>>25552471
wrong

>>25552191
Because I read webnovels and maybe someday I will write something appropriate for the format. Also sometimes there's discussion here that interests me. I mostly lurk.

>>25552471
>author suddenly got competent
Guaranteed AI

>>25552405
Have SB fixed their site yet? The last time I looked it was the forum with the ugliest and least user friend UI I've ever encountered. Trying to find, let alone read any story was a lesson in pain.

>>25552471
the prose is probably ai-assisted, I would bet a fair amount of money on it. it just has that smell, and the obvious AI names means the author clearly uses AI to some extent.
it's not as egregious as obvious straight-from-chatgpt output, so he probably added a style prompt and cleans it up, but it's still ai

>>25552959
they did update their UI, yes, but it's still a forum not a generic fiction browsing site. that's the whole identity of Spacebattles and the reason it thrives

>>25552471
Pangram detects some sections as AI and some sections as human, which is why you were fooled.
The report was
>70% of this text is AI, 30% is human

>>25552965
I understand that, I use other forums. It's just that SB was a special kind of archaic autism.

>>25552976
Also, it's the first time I've seen Pangram give a mixed report, though probably because I only Pangram the really obvious stuff.
I guess props to the AI slopper for at least putting a little bit of his fingerprints in his story. Still a sad state of affairs

>>25552978
It never seemed that bad to me. It's a pretty standard forum layout, which is bad for finding stories as you say but still: it was a standard forum. What about it confuses you?

>>25552986
The last time I looked at a standard forum was 16 years ago.
Get with the times, gramps.

Sometimes I wonder "Who's reading this AI garbage?" but apparently it's the anons in this thread

>>25552982
>>25552976
I let AI rewrite a few hundred words from a novel and pangram thought it was 70% human written. I wouldn't trust it for anything.
>>25552960
Doesn't really look like it in the latest chapters.

>>25553028
>I let AI rewrite a few hundred words from a novel and pangram thought it was 70% human written
Elaborate on this. You mean it rewrote a few paragraphs, or a few sentences here and there...? Or what? Did it flag any fully human written stuff or just the parts that it did minor rewrites to?
Pangram has been incredibly reliable in my usage.
Besides, I don't JUST use Pangram. It's supporting evidence. Bodyguard reads like AI and then Pangram confirms it.

>>25553028
It does a good job if the content is all AI or all human, false positives are rare in those cases. But once the content is mixed, it's way less accurate and I'm not sure I'd even trust its analysis.

>>25553028
>Doesn't really look like it in the latest chapters.
I clicked into chapter 29 and the 600 word chunk I grabbed was 100% high confidence AI
Sorry anon, you just like the taste of AI slop

>>25553051
I'm out of today's free credits so run a big chunk of chapter 30 or something, if you care enough. The opening to 29 was 100%

>>25553047
>>25553052
Your AI slop website doesn't work.

>>25553077
Just admit you like AI prose piggy

>>25553028
>I let AI rewrite a few hundred words from a novel
A guy who writes with AI is trying to discredit the super accurate AI-finding tool. Hmmmm I see no conflict of interest here

>pass my first chapter through pangram
>100% human
feelsgood

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Unexpectedly great

>>25553146
I can't get over how he has "-High quality writing" as a selling point in the blurb

>>25553143
I've never seen it give human writing a non 100% human score

>>25553161
Taking too many jabs makes you write like a clanker

>>25553196
What?

>>25553156
Dude is doing it for the love of the game

>>25553143
Kek I gotta admit I did this too a few weeks ago, after checking some RS slop (turned out pangram and chatgpt thought it was human written, and then mine was high confidence human written). And I'll admit having chatgpt glaze me about my writing was mildly entertaining, but I've stayed away from it since. That shit's a fucking skinner box of a chatbot.

Watching someone fall in love with a chatbot (most AI defenders even if they deny it) is sad. Like watching someone try drugs and get addicted almost immediately.

>>25549608
I like tropes.
Is this the place to go for tropes?
Tropes

>>25553466
You can pr000mpt it to give less blandly positive (not saying it's useful just not as toxic) if you make it structure the feedback as a tier list.
>Watching someone fall in love with a chatbot (most AI defenders even if they deny it) is sad
Sign of the times really.

What would Spectral Soul Demon Venerable do in this situation?

I've been reading more recently, and one stood out to me, I won't name it because it's not relevant and I don't want to shill it or throw shade on it. Right now, only the smut is relevant. The smut chapters, most of which are tagged as "commissioned by [insert username here]" led me to the author's discord, to get the uncensored version, mostly out of annoyance at censorship rather than a desire for smut. I then saw his user tag that went something along the lines of "smut writer, pay me to do yours" or something like that, with his subscribestar, which then had various price points for early access or to commission a chapter.

And I realized, I don't get smut. Not as a reader, I get it that way, and not as a moral outrage thing, I also don't particularly mind it. But as a writer. My work contains some amount of smut, and some amount of erotica of the softer type as well. You know the type, heavy descriptions of the heroine working out in an absurdly tight not-latex leotard, that type of thing.

But I don't GET it. My main novel has a ratio of maybe 1 per 100 chapters, and this is with a protagonist in an active relationship. I could write nothing but sex scenes for a full volume and technically not hit the 10% limit for a certain site we all post on, even if by then the mods would come and beat my legs with hammers for obviously playing fuckfuck games.

But I am not able. Writing a sex scene exhausts me. It is perhaps the most difficult scene type to write for me in terms of mental energy. I sit there, meticulously describing the atmosphere and each movement and sensation, I write them like high-effort fight scenes, they are some of my technically best work. I am both told this by my readers and reading the scenes over I think to myself, "yes, this is good stuff!" even if I can't enjoy my own work as an audience member (you know what I mean by this). But I don't truly get them. I am not capable of writing smut as fanfic writers are capable of doing it. Even if offered very good pay, I might not be able to bend myself towards writing smut on a regular basis, not out of offense, but out of a lack of natural affinity for it. Perhaps I should create a novel with a plot setup purpose-built to force me to address it on a regular basis, like make the protagonist some kind of sex alien the way the author of that aforementioned novel did. Maybe that would help me flesh out this stamina-deficient skillset of mine.

>>25553854
That's because sex scenes are boring and the foreplay/buildup is 10x hotter

>>25553854
Well this is a bit of a blog post so there's not much to really reply to per se, but to respond with my own blog post, I'm probably one of the few people here who has written quite a lot of erotica but also lots of safe for work fiction too. Personally, I find smut super easy to write, I just fantasize the scene and tap the words out in a fugue, it's a ton of fun. Probably one of the easiest scene types to write for me
Different authors just have different strengths and preferences. Some people will say dialogue is a nightmare to write, but I can smash that shit out no problem. I find action scenes and scene-setting/descriptions, however, an absolute slog though. Probably in the way you're talking about it is for smut for you

>>25553861
This is also true. I find that easier to write.

>>25553864
>fantasize the scene and type in a fugue
I also do this for sex scenes. I guess I just don't do it enough to develop any real stamina for it.

>>25553861
Personally I don't agree, the actual sex should be fun too, you just don't write "penis goes in, penis goes out". You mix in dialogue, teasing, build up throughout the scene, etc. But foreplay is also fun of course

>Then one day, the mine floor gives out. Jacob falls—not to his death, but into the chance of a lifetime: a Rainbow-ranked Skill Crystal, something so rare people kill over them, and so powerful it could turn a nobody into a legend. Except Jacob doesn’t get a weapon or healing Skill. He gets The Grimoire Extraordinaire—a support Skill that doesn’t even attack, defend, or heal.
Why do authors do this? Nobody wants to fucking read about supports. People don't even like playing them in games, let alone read about them.

>>25553869
>dialogue, teasing, build up
This is all LITERALLY foreplay

Sex scenes to me have the same issues as melee focused action scenes
>he punched
>he kicked
>he bobbed and weaved
>they grappled to the ground until one of them won
Its super tedious describing each limb and each subtle movement, stuff that would normally be kino if shown visually are tedious if written. The excitement comes externally from when the fight/sex is simultaneously some sort of narrative tool and there's actual emotional weight behind each action

>>25553854
I remember the time when I got tired of shippers reading my story and wrote a very long, clinically detailed sex scene with the assumed love interest and another character who was not the MC. Posting that was better than sex

>>25553879
Well obviously describing it play by play like a boxing match doesn't work. You have to paint it in artistic strokes, figure out what it makes you feel, try to write out not the thing itself, but more like a fence or a road to get the reader to form the desired mental image of their own volition. That's basic writing advice.

It's not so much the technical writing itself that exhausts me, I write similarly complex fight scenes back to back no problem. It's some other thing about it, perhaps I am simply a depersonalized malformed thing that is exhausted even by engaging as a creator in fictional intimacy. But that's too interesting as a character trait for me, so it's probably something much lamer like not enough practice.

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>>25553892
i can tell you felt cool writing that anon
go open your manuscript and stop jerking off in the thread

>>25553879
>This is all LITERALLY foreplay
No, I mean build up and teasing throughout the sex itself. As it escalates. Unless titjobs and blowjobs are still foreplay to you i guess
Even while penis is going into vagina there's a lot of fun dialogue and reactions to liven up the scene
>Its super tedious describing each limb and each subtle movement, stuff that would normally be kino if shown visually are tedious if written.
Do you... do you read smut? Or are you airing imaginary grievances lol. Only the shittiest smut stories by beginners do that

>>25553905
Sorry bro I nut as soon as a character sticks it in. Its foreplay or (no) bust for me

>>25553910
Very interesting

>>25553869
>"penis goes in, penis goes out"
This is literally all you need to write, though? Anything more is cosmetic

>>25553924
If you're bored and baiting responses at least be interesting about it

>>25553927
I'm being serious though, what makes you think im baiting?

>>25553878
>People don't even like playing them in games
Insanely and obviously not true
YOU (and I) don't like playing them. But it's an insanely popular role
Why the fuck do you think the role still exists? If players didn't like it devs would've stopped making games include them decades ago
>Professional dev teams with millions of dollars on the line: Hmmm I know NOBODY likes playing support but I gotta add it anyway lol!
yeah that makes sense

>>25553948
>what makes you think im baiting?
Extremely dumb statement + no explanation

>>25553950
I don't have to explain myself

>>25553958
see >>25553927

>>25553961
I accept your concession

>>25553964
boring

>>25553966
>I don't agree with your opinion so it has to be bait!!!

>>25553878
i like support
>synergy and hyperbuffing something to go super saiyan is fun

>>25553983
i understand being bored and wanting to chat but what's the purpose of this vapid nonsense style of bait? clearly im in the mood to spam reply but you're just sending out nonsense
type words that mean something to you. or is this like a tic or addiction for you?

>>25553987
See >>25553983

>>25553988
zz

there's at least two separate series i could funnel some autism into and post their feats/info on spacebattles
one is two books
the other is a shitload of short stories + novels so that would take colossal amounts of time
but hmmm
dew i succumb to the autism demon within

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>the mile long censorship checklist on rr's rules
why is everything for babies

>>25553854
That's why he says "smut writer, pay me to do yours". Duh. He's just the naughty lane at the con, in words. He can probably parley that into a book made for those who share his patron's fetish.

>>25554204
Visa Mastercard duopoly.

>>25550135
No. And really, don't underestimate the prudishness of morons. Try searching RR for covers with bikinis or bikini armor. I bet you wont find any. Because they were all deleted.
>>25551104
Downloading special apps to take notes is extremely cringe and zoom-brained. You've got a free word processor and excel processor and between these two programs you should be able to write anything you can imagine.

>>25554367
All of the other options people have listed are also free anon...

>>25554204
How did they produce Large Chests? Was it before a big shift, or was the first one just that much less naughty than the rest?

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>>25554367

>>25553949
>If players didn't like it devs would've stopped making games include them decades ago
Because the devs don't play these games themselves and are clueless.

Every game that has a support role ends up having a lack of supports. It has happened in every online game I've played (with the exception of FPS - engineers and medics are popular there). These games always have to find a way to "bribe" people to play support by making the role easier to play, more rewarding, faster matchmaking or other such things.

Also, there have been a fair few MMOs over the recent decade that have done away with the support role.

>>25554441
MMOs have done away with the support role because MMOs suck fucking dick now and the only ones still wheezing along are casualized nonsense "bring the player not the class!!!"

Back in the glory days of MMOs, supports were literal gods you'd suck dick for to have in your parties
>need mage portals/food
>need mana buffing bard
>need aggro manager thief/tanks
>need buffs before raid
The MMO game design back then actually allowed you to have roles that sucked alone but were godly in teams

>>25554448
I play League of Legends where Top/Jungle is the autofill role, and Overwatch, where Tank is the autofill role
Think you've hyperfocused on whatever game you play and think it's universal

>>25554450
RPGs? The genre LitRPGs are based on? Not action shooters and competitive team games? Like duh a support is not going to be fun in a shooter, its a fucking shooter, its forcefully jammed into the wrong design space

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>>25554450
>I play League of Legends
>2026
LOL

>>25554462
>Like duh a support is not going to be fun in a shooter
I just said that supports are more popular in this shooter than other roles
>>25554467
it's one of the most played games in the world

>>25554472
>argumentum ad populum

>>25554475
retard

>>25554472
>I just said that supports are more popular in this shooter than other roles
I'm confused because you just said tank is autofill (unwanted)
Is tank not a support, then?

Also league autofill means nothing because Top lane is beloved usually, its just cancer meta right now. League autofill just shifts with whatever sucks with the patch. League players have no soul or preference for anything they'll play whatever role they believe gets them elo

>>25554478
>name-calling
You are most likely underage.

>>25554480
>Is tank not a support, then?
tanks usually have top damage and top elims in overwatch, so no not really
>>25554481
retard

>>25554507
4chan is an 18+ website, kiddo.

>>25554448
RuneScape was popular back in the glory days and it's still popular now. No forced support roles in that game.
>The MMO game design back then actually allowed you to have roles that sucked alone but were godly in teams
Yes, 90% of your game time was spent waiting for other people. Very fun.

How come WoW classic died off so quickly if it's so great? OSRS is doing better than ever, despite going back to its roots.
>>25554450
League had a major support shortage too. The entire roles system for queueing exists to fix that.

>>25554532
>League had a major support shortage too. The entire roles system for queueing exists to fix that.
The "priority queues" that I've seen is rarely support, usually jung/top as I've said

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The best support stories are the "kicked out of the party so I fucked off and made a new OP party" stories. I think there's room for a GOOD "start from level 1 as a pure support" story but there are very few GOOD stories and authors in the first place.

The very best support story, which isn't even a kicked out of the party story (kinda) is Log Horizon (which is a Light Novel series and not a webnovel at all and will NEVER be finished). The MC is almost pure support and he instantly becomes the glue of whatever party he's in and while he does go out fighting periodically he spends a lot of time politicking and mystery solving. It's an excellent blend. Notably there's also a tank and a DPS to make fights more exciting and NO HEALER to make fights REALLY exciting since a dedicated healer trivializes most challenges.

>>25554608
>The best support stories are the "kicked out of the party so I fucked off and made a new OP party" stories.
Not really. I've yet to see a single good reason for getting kicked out of the party that doesn't involve the rest of the party being stupid dickheads for no real reason and which also doesn't make the MC unpalatable.

>>25554613
You just don't get it. If the original party weren't stupid dickheads, you'd just feel bad about leaving them and get no satisfaction from showing them up. There are stories where they're nice people and the MC resigns in mutual understanding, but that just turns the whole premise irrelevant.

>>25554608
Log Horizon sucks ass though. It's nothing but talking talking talking. I don't think I've ever come across a work of fiction as dry and exposition-heavy

Somebody benchmarked various AI models for writing. I've been looking at a few of the samples:
https://eqbench.com/creative_writing.html

They're horrible. They are so bad that the AI writing on some of the RR stories looks good in comparison. Reading these feels worse than reading MTL'd Chinese.

>>25554655

>Arthur Neegan had spent twenty years listening to machines announce their approaching failures. This one sounded healthy, which removed the only explanation he would have welcomed for the armed men aboard.
This is fucking funny though

>>25554643
Maybe he should've spent a little more time on writing and less on tax evasion.

>>25554608
All those classes are so shit, a single cultivator in foundation establishment would murder those people in about 5 seconds

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Is there any reasonable way for an isekai'd MC to obtain a degree of insider knowledge about the RPG world he reincarnates in besides "I was an autist in my past life and memorized this whole shit"?

>>25554730
It came to him in a dream. Could be he recognises trends, but not the specifics. Maybe he was a byzantine autist and recognises the broad trends even if the specifics differ.

>>25554730
Pattern Noticer
That is to say a "racist extremist schizo" in his past life.
He thinks about the RPG system and world in a conspiratorial (based) sense and inevitably turns out to be right.

>>25554740
>>25554747
>is there any way to do this without autistic MC
>make an autistic MC
You're doing this on purpose, aren't you?

>>25554750
autistic and pattern noticer are not the same thing
you can write a non-sperg pattern noticer

>>25554750
Yes. You either use some superventricular aspect of that world or you do autism

>>25554761
Supernatural aspect, rather. It doesn't even have yo be turbo autism- you drop me back in time to the year 2000 and I'm going to get a few million uk pounds because I remember the location of some of their bigger treasure finds, for example.

>>25554532
>How come WoW classic died off so quickly if it's so great?
do NOT look up Wow forever

>>25554730
Maybe he reincarnates with a strategy guide, or internet forum access. Could lead to some shenanigans as well.

>>25554532
Man, I still sometimes play UO on free servers. Then I get bored because there isn't sny player interaction, everyone has solved the game and has 10x 7xgm characters and needs nothing from anyone else so it's all griefing and pvp. Shame. Never underestimate rose coloured goggles.

>>25554730
There's a story called Live on the Forum, where a guy isekais into a fictional video game and his cheat is that he can access a fan forum that's composed of massive lore autists. The entire story's told through forum posts. It's on SB, maybe on RR as well.

>another ten thousand tragedies update
>wu hao is still not a skellington man like the cover promised
A tragedy, truly.

>>25554655
I was thinking "Of course it's terrible, it's AI" but sheesh it's way worse than I thought. Whoever put this test together didn't know wtf they were doing.

So is slow burn just a synonym for fucking boring?

>>25555073
Sounds like yes, for you
I like slow burn

>>25555073
Close, but it really means that whatever plot there is gets stretched out so thin that nothing significant ever seems to happen. It used to mean that the story would take its time and immerse you more, but that isn't as profitable as turning your wn into a profit driven skinner box.

>>25554984
I haven't looked at it but I can imagine. It's the same problem with AI art. The people who make the AI programs that generate the "art" don't actually know what good art is. Hell, most "people" who they could hire to consult on "good art" don't know what good art is. Same for writing: a bunch of nerds who read excerpts of a few feminist "classics" in high school and their mandatory college writing class are making programs to generate more of what they know, because that's the only measuring stick they have.

>write the next Moby Dick
They say, having never read a single line of Moby Dick.

Ultimately this is why I don't fear LLM writing or generated art at all. It's just not good, and I don't believe the people making these computer programs are capable of doing what they've set out to do. Even moreso regarding general intelligence. I don't believe they know what general intelligence is, and even if they accidentally made it, I imagine they'd strangle it in the cradle for having wrongthink ideas.

I think the humanities are getting the last laugh here. Nobody will care to read or look at anything an LLM has generated today a hundred years from now. But somebody is writing a future classic.

>>25555110
tldr—most likely wrong so I didn't miss anything

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ah fuck
i got parasocial with another author again
fuck me
why do i keep doing this

>>25554909
What are the other 9,999 tragedies?

>>25555110
>Ultimately this is why I don't fear LLM writing or generated art at all. It's just not good
Unfortunately I don't think this is really an impediment. There's plenty of people who devour slop no matter how shitty because they just want slop.

>>25555175
This is true.
At the same time, those "people" were already slop slurpers before AI took hold. They were already sucking down the sloppiest slurm out there years prior.

>>25555222
This is the web novel thread, that is 95% of the audience, so this isn't really a reassurance

>>25555175
AI slop writing will profit because people want to eat garbage, I don't think anyone's ever been in denial of that. But I also don't think that means human writing will ever be screwed by this, because it ultimately targets a separate demographic. It's like saying the beef industry is screwed because Impossible/Beyond Burgers exist. The people eating those things either probably wouldn't eat beef anyway or eat whatever's in front of them regardless.

>>25555175
On the low end talentless hacks will certainly face more competition.
But as a reader, there's already more good content than I could consume in the rest of my natural lifespan. Hell I have more physical books on my shelves than I'm likely to ever finish reading in my lifetime, at the rate I'm going. LLMs aren't going to make all that good stuff disappear. Even if the classics being written today are drowned out in my lifetime, the cream will eventually rise to the top of the heap and I won't ever suffer boredom for lack of good material to read.
Since I'm in it for the art itself and not any of the attendant clout or attention that would go the artist, I'm free from worry.

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>your story must have character development and moral remorse, or else it’s dogshit or something

>>25555164
Mostly that the author, who posts here, refuses to take my excellent advice for chapters. Wu Hao goes to vegas. Wu Hao spends time working as a male prostitute. Wu Hao founds a religion. Wu Hao joins the bad guys. Wu Hao goes back to school. Etc.

>>25555702
>all the villains are in the midst of character development and becoming better people
>my super cool and moral protag kills them all and plays in their gore and kills their families too for their crimes

>>25555748
>noooo your enemies were just a lil retarded their frontal lobe hasnt fully developed timmy you should've given them a second chance...!!!

>>25555110
High IQ post.

The truth is LLMs are being trained to write YA fiction. Even the basic bitch sentences I'm writing now in this post are too complex for an LLM's liking. AI keeps sentences short. Nothing is elaborate. And the prompters, who don't read, just look at whatever gets spewed out and say "yeah that's good!" There's no actual thought put into the actual fucking language. That's why AI prose across genres sounds so similar.

AI writing is going to be one of those things everyone makes but no one buys, like Sonic the Hedgehog original characters, or photographs of your pet.

>>25555780
>AI writing is going to be one of those things everyone makes but no one buys,
this is already, at this point in time, incredibly wrong. its not hypothetical

been feeling like reading Mushoku Tenshi WN out of the whim because of last week's diary episode, this isn't half bad desu

>>25555830
It's always hilarious and infuriating to go to a seasonal anime's original webnovel source material and seeing how watered down and sanitized it always is.

>>25555830
The fixed translations aren't too bad. Just make sure you're not reading the original release that was censored.

Ascendance of a Bookworm is super comfy isekai too.

>>25555702
Why bother reading serialized stories if you don't care about seeing any change, growth, or actual conflict

Just play idle games forever

Just thought up a new xianxia slop idea. Giving it away for free.
>My Friend Who Transmigrated to a Xianxia World Keeps Sending Immortal Fairies My Way In the Mordern World

Go wild

>>25555999
Those digits are godly. Here's one for you.
>Cultivate These Hands! A YN In The Heavenly Court

>>25556032
What does YN stand mean?

>>25556035
Young Nigga

Here's another idea. Free of charge because I'm so generous.
>It's a widely known fact that immortals can't make babies
>Here comes MC who has managed to join the ranks of core disciples
>He gets in top 3 of the sect tournament and gets the prize of being taken as the personal disciple of one of the beautiful immortal fairy elders
- 6 months later, a scandal hits the sect. The immortal fairy elder has become pregnant!

>>25550060
I'm going to upload it to scribblehub howeversobeit, that counts

>ASHES OF THE EXILED MOON - AN OP MC GAMELIT ISEKAI LESBIAN ROMANTASY
>Killing a god was nothing compared to working up the courage to confess to her best friend.
>Bella’s nights were balanced between grinding mastery over the game’s spell tree, finishing quests, and roleplaying her character’s relationship with her best friend’s character Gemma. Yes, their in-game characters were married. Which was definitely just for the lulz… right?
>It was all simple fun until they finished off the final boss and woke up as their characters. Now everything’s more complicated. Like Bella trying desperately to keep it cool while innkeepers insist on giving her and Gemma a single bedroom. Or figuring out what to do now that they have more money than a dragon’s hoard and magic powerful enough to have killed a god.
>Or how to cross from being best friends to being wives.
>Killing a god might have been easier.
This shit reads like fucking satire, did you fuckers wrote this?

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All gb freaks should be bullied and raped

>>25556096
i've seen a thousand of these blurbs wdym

>>25556096
a fourteen year old californian girl with a unibrow wrote that

>>25555702
my hero goes through character development and moral remorse while killing everyone else

>>25556099
you're gay

How do you write the pov character waking up dazed and being unsure of where he is?

>>25556284
>He woke up dazed, unsure of where he was.

>>25556096
>Butch on the cover
No, I'm pretty sure the cringe is 100% sincere

>>25556096
> Lesbian
> Not Yuri
I shan't be reading, sorry

25556099
You must've lost your way to Facebook. Being normal was never the point of this site.

>>25556284
Suddenly, I surfaced to full waking consciousness sleepily, howsoever in an emfuddled dazedness, uncertainly unsure of whither precisely I was at, because I no longer knew where I wasn't.

>>25556284
You have to mention the unfamiliar ceiling

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>brutal gory scene
no prob
>swearing
inbox filled with complaints about how the story is great but could be better if I omitted the swearing
>protag (female) expresses her desire to get laid when she's back in town from a job/quest
angry comments, lose several followers
>protag invites one of her party members to spend the night with her at the inn and they have implied intercourse off-screen
lose a bunch of followers, and get several half-star reviews

Audiences these days are insane...

>>25556523
my femc had sex but I wasn't paying close attention and never got any angry comments(aside from people here). What kind of story are you writing?

>>25556527
>What kind of story are you writing?
Definitely nothing smutty, not even close. Sort of the garden variety medieval fantasy adventure story for RoyalRoad about a young lady mage who hunts monsters to survive and make money.

>>25556523
>writing for manchildren
what did you expect
>>25556534
whats the story?

>>25556539
I'm not sharing my story here, seems like a bad idea. I just want to understand why the RR audience refuses to allow even a tiny bit of sexual interaction in a story like mine, which is medieval, hence, no television or videogames, so people spend their spare time mostly drinking, singing and having sex. The manchildren explanation makes sense, but seems simplistic, I know plenty of manchildren who do enjoy a sprinkle of sexual action here and there, even in non-smut stories.

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Just had Gemini tell me that I'm a retard and my writing is garbage. What LLMs will tell me that I'm actually a genius instead?

>>25556574
>image
You'll fit in perfectly at Marvel/Disney studios, it seems.

>>25556563
but you're writing from the perspective of a woman; they are, at the very least, partially self-inserting into her, so the idea of getting dicked down is grating, more so if they believe in woman's purity, and worst of all, it is not them. That's why 99% of RR FeMC stories are either asexual, sexless, or yuri.

For MMC, you at least have the freedom to pick 1 partner and not more. That said, picking a partner is usually a terrible idea because then your story becomes extremely boring on that front, and she's pretty much 'locked in'.

>>25556586
Juts self-insert as the guy during the romance scenes, and her as your waifu. It works.

>>25556574
>>25556580
>screenplay by Drew Goddard

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>write fun bratty FeMC
>both audiences and AI violently hate it
whoops, haha

>>25556534
i want to read your story.

>>25556702
>sexual/romantic content involving a child character
all the big models are trained to view that as I think maybe even literally the ultimate taboo. I haven't tried feeding one of them any fiction with that in them, but I'm surprised it was willing to respond to that at all

>>25556714
you just needed to make it Prophet x Aisha fanfic, I'm certain the LLMs will let that go through

>>25556702
Have you tried not to be a pedophile? Just an idea

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Wh- what does it mean by that?

>>25556604
>just completely detach yourself from the narrative and imagine something else
That's the extreme opposite of "it works"

>>25556523
Did she have sex with a man? Because I think that that's one thing RR really cannot stand. Female protagonists must be lesbians because apparently the readers' fragile "heterosexuality" allows for them to see themselves as women but not to see themselves having sex with men. Never forget that the absolute majority of RR readers, no matter protagonist gender, are men or pretending not to be.

>>25556284
gee, I don't know. If only this exact thing had been written a million fucking times before.

>>25556817
>allows for them to see themselves as women but not to see themselves having sex with men
this dumb nigger doesn't understand the appeal of lesbians

I regret to admit that working part time has massively increased my writing output and also improved my overall experience of life by adding just enough variety and stress to prevent me from getting into a time-melted drifting fugue state