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read Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopi
it's peak

Alright /wng/, give me some slop.

>>25558734
The Wizard's Journey Begins with a Knight

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>>25558730
this is awful

I can't believe people actually read the drivel that is recommended in these threads.

>>25558745
Recommend something yourself please, I value your input.

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>>25558734
1% Lifesteal by Robert Blaise

>>25558745
I'll read 1 page of any drivel before I wipe my ass with it
that's how I'm familiar with femoid lit
always gotta keep one eye on the horizon and see what the animals are up to, anon

>>25558745
You are confusing 'recommended' with trolls and autistic spammers.

>>25558745
Yeah I've tried reading a number of stories people recommended here and they were all really bad
To be fair, though, that's true of recommendations across all media types for me

>>25558742
no it isn't

>>25558742
>clean prose
>paced well
>clear voice
oh i thought the clara casewell shit was a meme, this is well written. im going to have to try it

i will write a femc novel and it will suck and I will post about it here

>>25558995
Get in line.

What are gu?

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>>25559058

Guys, I did it! Last night I wrote first few hundred words of my story... Then I scrapped them and rewrote them. Rereading them this morning I didn't like either one, but technically I wrote something.

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>>25559119
Writing isn't about creativity, excellence, innovation or competence.
It's about pain tolerance.
You simply haven't earned an edit before you haven't put at least 2500 words to paper. Once you've done that you may edit for 30 minutes. Then it's onto the next 2500 words.

>>25558742
God even this reads like AIslop to me. It's got that bland, impersonal airport novel cadence, frequent namedropping, short sentences that just sort of skim the surface of the topic without any depth. It gives me an instinctive ick

>>25559119
Great job buddy.

Instead of any stories on RR, I'm having more fun reading the trash reviews that roast the stories and authors, especially the popular ones. The seethe is just hilarious

>>25559224
do you also read YouTube comment arguments for fun

>>25559253
uh, you won't?

>>25558745
What sort of stories do you like?

>>25559176
Thanks.
>>25559132
That's actually a good idea. The problem for me is that I noticed the opening conveys something completely different from what I meant it to convey. But even with that beginning in place it is easier to continue writing.

>>25558742
That's the most John Workman, Hack Author prose I've read. It's fine.

It's weird to see multiple people complaining about publishable workman level prose in the web novel thread as if that's not in the 1% of readability. Most prose in web novels is straight up dogshit. Genuinely good prose with a unique style is all but nonexistent, I can only think of Katalepsis and maybeee ErraticErrata

Are you guys larpers or what? What stories are you reading that makes publishable workman prose worth insulting?

>>25559535
>Genuinely good prose with a unique style is all but nonexistent
You clearly haven't come across my story then

>>25559582
For some reason people who write good prose suck at storytelling, the overlap really is shockingly small for good prose + fun story

>>25559590
Fortunately, I excel at both

>>25559595
Unfortunately the audience decides that, not you

>>25559595
I'm that anon's one reader, and I have to say I can't help but agree with him

>>25559501
Go pick up a Nancy Drew, Hardy Boys, Tom Clancy, a Louis L'amour, or even a genre media tie-in like a 40K or Battletech novel. THAT used to be derided as
>John Workman, Hack Author

this is beyond hack. this is utter shit.

>>25559535
Anonymous posters will complain about prose but never ever ever ever post any samples of their own prose. Only once in a blue moon will they post a list of what they do read, and it's often MTL chinkslop cultivation nonsense.

It's basically just trolling. And in any case, the posted sample IS perfectly fine. Despite the troll continuously fishing for replies by spamming it in every thread, there's a reason the fiction is near the top of the rankings on royal road.

>>25559676
>never ever ever ever post any samples of their own prose
You don't need to be better at something than someone to see that they are bad at it.

>>25559676
I've posted mine on /wg/ and always received good ratings

but >>25559696 this is also true

>prose too high effort for webnovel
>story too weebshit litrpg for the fantasy thread
help

>>25559733
>prose too high effort for webnovel
this isn't actually a problem except in extreme cases
good prose just isn't a selling point to most readers. a boring story with good prose is effectively the same thing as a boring story with bad prose to most web novel readers

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>>25559750
it does mean im just slow as fuck and cant churn out chapters willy nilly

>>25559751
You might be setting an imaginary ceiling for yourself. Even some of the great novelists of history wrote at a pace quick enough to meet the low end of web novels (~5k a week)
Certainly a disadvantage, however

>>25559756
>Even some of the great novelists of history wrote at a pace quick enough to meet the low end of web novels (~5k a week)
come to think of it, that's true
fugg
TFW Arthur Conan Doyle and Charles Dickens were the Royalroad sloppa writers of their time

>>25559772
I actually meant novelists lauded for their prose. Charles Dickens wrote MORE than most web novelists, or at least equal to.
A much more lenient ~800 words a day really is not that tall of an ask, and there are a number of serials that release 1 hefty 5k+ word chapter a week, so it's fully compatible

>>25558742
How is this any more awful than your average web novel prose?

>>25559814
if you can't do more than around 5k a week, then releasing one really hefty or two slightly less hefty chapters is your best choice

>>25559751
Write enough and you'll pick up the pace.

>>25559756
not trying to make excuses but my ceiling is mainly my day job and wanting the freedom to go back and retroactively edit stuff

churning out weekly would lock in a lot of unpolished stuff and force me to write chronologically, too...

>>25559855
Rewriting and fidgeting with words that already work is a famous author trap
You need to send that shit, consistently, to get anywhere. the deadline is almost a blessing
>you're generalizing
yeah that's the issue with 4chan. these topics deserve whole blog posts

>>25559535
they're not complaining about prose but instead content while dressing it up as a prose issue
readerpigs genuinely don't know how to separate the concepts. they know "i like this" and "i don't like this", that is fucking it

Every time I think that I'm doing too much I realize, "wait, this is a webnovel," and I leave the fat in.

Delectable fat that my readers love to slurp up. Oink oink little piggy (affectionate)

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>>25549608
>smut
>sex
>ai
Are you guys okay?

>>25560058
>/wng/ — Web Novel General
>look inside
>writing
>write
don't you fags know that /wg/ exists?

Do you guys think an isekai'd programmer could be an interesting premise if it's written by an actual programmer? I've seen this premise before, but either the author doesn't know anything about programming or they never include anything about it. The character usually ends up acting very un-SWE-like. They rarely systematically analyze things, never do any math, try to use algorithms to drive or even use mathy/programmery language like "function", "variable", "type" etc. I've read multiple programmer MC stories, but I've not seen someone reference the traveling salesman problem.

Even the famous Chinese Three Body Problem is basically a misunderstanding of what the Three Body Problem is. You can always just simulate the movement of the planets, you don't need an analytical solution. Somebody who understands math even a bit would know this.

>>25560081
No because most readers wouldn't understand it. Maybe something more approachable like analyst or scientist.
I saw a story about some magic academy femc that's a scientist and they do experiments but I think the story is AI.

>>25560081
>Do you guys think an isekai'd programmer could be an interesting premise if it's written by an actual programmer?
no. (I would read it though)

>>25560081
> You can always just simulate the movement of the planets, you don't need an analytical solution.
And the author knew this. He also knew, like all the best authors, when to ignore facts, science, and realism if they get in the way of telling a good story.

Also you're not completely correct with that statement. N-body problems (for N > 2) are inherently chaotic which means you can't accurately simulate all cases since they are highly dependent on the precision on the initial conditions. In general you'd need to constantly update the measurements to correct for errors.

> Do you guys think an isekai'd programmer could be an interesting premise
I have strong doubts it'd work. Coding in media always comes across as boring af. What is it about your premise that would make it interesting and fun to read?

>>25560081
>Even the famous Chinese Three Body Problem is basically a misunderstanding of what the Three Body Problem is. You can always just simulate the movement of the planets, you don't need an analytical solution. Somebody who understands math even a bit would know this.
Did you read Cixin Liu's book? The problem was that on the scale of building up a civilization that could survive a planet-wide catastrophe from the unstable orbit of three different suns (hence the name Tri-solarans), they did need an analytical solution to the mathematical three body problem. Most of Tri-solaran history was building up civilization based on a guess, and then getting wrecked somewhere along the tech tree by the suns either all fucking off and plunging the planet into an ice age, or the suns getting too close and scorching the surface.

Of course it's all a bit silly when you realize that's what's going on towards the end of the book, but it's spooky as you don't know what's going on at first, and it feels satisfying when the truth is revealed. Then it immediately goes back to silly when their technology made it to god level anyway, and they're just planning an invasion of Earth because uh... why not.

The problem with a programmer MC is more along the lines of how that interfaces with other people. It could work as a mystery novel, figuring out mysteries due to bugs/malware in code. It could perhaps work as a story about a consultant who gets wrapped up in drama. But it needs to be about people. Shounen-style punching or swordsmen MCs work easily BECAUSE inherently they go around punching or slashing at other people, and the problems are constructed to be conducive to that sort of solution in the first place. The problems in Azarinth Healer ultimately come down to bad guys and monsters who can be punched to death. Or look at Beware of Chicken: many of the problems in the setting JUST SO HAPPEN to be solvable by farming and forming a bond with an earth spirit (and then there's also characters that punch and slash to entertain the action fans).

So is it possible? Yes. Whether YOU can make it work and be entertaining will be a test of your skill as an author. Good luck!

>>25560096
For my purposes programmer is more like a (bad) scientist or (bad) mathematician. I just picked programming because it's pretty common in the modern world.
>>25560097
Why do you think it wouldn't work for most readers?
>>25560102
>Also you're not completely correct with that statement. N-body problems (for N > 2) are inherently chaotic which means you can't accurately simulate all cases since they are highly dependent on the precision on the initial conditions.
I don't think I'm that inaccurate. It being chaotic doesn't really change things. Simulations aren't exact, so you'd need to update them anyway, but things on the scale of solar systems operate at time frames that you could accurately predict things decades, centuries, and millennia in advance. NASA has done multi-year gravity assists that required pretty accurate understanding of the motion of planets in our solar system (which obviously is an n-body problem).
>I have strong doubts it'd work. Coding in media always comes across as boring af. What is it about your premise that would make it interesting and fun to read?
I didn't think of adding actual programming into the story, just more analytical thinking. Maybe some use of algorithms. Binary search, Dijkstra's algorithm, bubble sort. Stuff like that.
>>25560111
>they did need an analytical solution to the mathematical three body problem.
No they didn't. An analytical solution is exact. They don't need a magical algorithm that can tell them where the 3rd sun will be in 500 million years, they need a way to tell what happens in the next 100 years. They can do that by simply simulating the movements of the 3 stars and planet. They can continuously update the model.

The Solar system is a chaotic system too, yet we can predict the motions of the planets very well. Centuries in advance. I think this JPL one is like 500 years in advance: https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/tools/orbit_viewer.html

>>25560081
I wrote a story that discusses physics a bit without even any math. 99% of readers get filtered and the 1% who can keep up are autistic nitpickers who are there just to say you didn't use the most accurate words or didn't go deep enough and post walls of text to "correct" you, and you don't want that audience.

>>25560064
yes, which is why we aren't there

>>25560081
What stories have you seen with the programming premise? I think while conceptually nice, programming is fucking boring. What is better storytelling?
>I created a state machine and hooked up a while loop to periodically ping some distance sensors that store data in a circular array, then calculate the Chebyshev distance, exploding past a threshold...
>I created a proximity bomb using MAGIC, fuck yeah!

Also,
>Traveling salesman
Where would this even come up? I can't think of anything that wouldn't seem extremely contrived just to mention it.
>I created a telekinesis fast communication network but instead of using this SIMPLE distance heuristic, let's delve into how it's likely non-optimal for some edge cases and figuring out the optimal solution would take ages (P!=NP btw) so I just mentioned that because holy shit I'm insufferable

>>25560148
> Simulations aren't exact, so you'd need to update them anyway.
Not strictly true for all simulations.
> on the scale of solar systems operate at time frames that you could accurately predict things decades, centuries, and millennia in advance
The book merely took the extreme case of not being able to predict on daily/weekly/monthly time scales.

>>25560081
You could go all the way and make it sci-fi

Or just make a mathematical magic system that rewards knowing algorithms
>when the MC snaps and puts a villain in an infinite while loop that doesn't end until he confesses

How do you find new shit to read on RR? RS is kinda shit right now, and top ongoing has been practically the same for ages

>>25560580
Maybe stop being lazy and use the search function?

>>25560580
recommendations/chatter from forums/reddit/discord

>>25560148
>No they didn't. An analytical solution is exact. They don't need a magical algorithm that can tell them where the 3rd sun will be in 500 million years, they need a way to tell what happens in the next 100 years. They can do that by simply simulating the movements of the 3 stars and planet. They can continuously update the model.
I disagree. Again, did you read the book? Tri-solaran development was set back over and over and over again even when they got lucky with stretches of a few thousand years at a time. It was like a Noah's flood situation over and over. Eventually they spent an entire civilization making the collapsed supercomputer sophon thing because they realized Earth was habitable and conquerable. But it's inevitable that eventually the suns will go fucky wucky again and send them back to the starting line.

So up until that point, it would benefit the Tri-solarans to have an analytical solution to the three body problem so they could know when to invest hard into building civilization to eventually flee their solar system. Once they found out how close Earth was and that they had a short window in which they out-tech'd Earth before Earth's stability let humans develop better tech without hard civilizational resets, they launched the invasion. They still were hoping for a mathematical solution even when they committed to invasion, but as a fallback strategy and for historical reasons.

Again, they needed better than a rough simulation that drifts off in a few thousand to a million years, especially since during a hard reset all their tech to make the precise measurements necessary for simulation would get destroyed and they'd have to rebuild from scratch. They really did need a mathematical solution (which doesn't exist, sucks for them). This is what forced them inevitably into a fight with humans over Earth and then became the basis for the following two books in the series that get even weirder.

hey RETARDS
the CHINK body problem is NOT a ***WEB*** novel
take your fag argument to /sffg/

>>25560788
retard thread policer
who fucking cares

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>>25560788
So what're you reading lately?
I'm behind on a lot of stuff since I've been focused on writing so much. Like half a volume behind Lifeweaver (first book just tradpubbed).

What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25560798
1% Lifesteal by Robert Blaise (it's peak)
Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopi (it's peak)
Bog Standard Isekai by Miles English (it's kinda shit, but not shit enough for me to drop it)
The Archmage Coefficient (OP Archmage/ Mage Academy/ LITRPG/ Hidden Genius) by onedayokay (it's shit, I'm thinking about dropping it)

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>>25560058
>retard god
Hmmmm.

>>25560799
This

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oh the FEELS in the SKY
KEEP ON TURNING

ohhhwhoaaaWHOAAAA
I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'LL BE
TOMORRRRRRROW

>>25560837
>traumacore magical girls

>>25560798
reincarnated as brewer
defender of asphodel
art of seeking gold

>>25561048
reincarnated as a brewer is some claude shit

>>25561048
reincarnated as a brewer is, worse than claude shit, slice of life shit

>>25561104
is it?

>>25561104
wtf, at first I was thinking "there's no way this is Claude shit because it's fucking up punctuation and the writing sucks ass on a flow/technical level"
but I keep seeing bizarre comparisons and stock AI phrases like
>It was wrong in the same way the floor was wrong, but louder about it.
no human would write that
I think it's like half made by claude and half made by a really bad writer overruling it at times lol

Any wns like mushoku tensei?

>>25561116
>>25561121
Every second sentence uses some simile constructor like "with the" or "in much the same way as" followed by an outlandish or zinger phrase.

I literally opened a random chapter and I found this verbatim:
>The door shut behind them with a soft finality that implied the room had seen many such chastisements and expected more. The tea they were served was better than anything Alric had had so far, steam curling lazily from the cups as if in no hurry to be consumed. Alric insisted Seren sit rather than stand behind him and drink as well, which she did with the air of someone adding this to a mental ledger.

>>25561133
This is actually how you can tell that it probably isn't AI. It's not that repetitive anymore. This is probably just an artifact of the fact the author has been shitting out mind numbing soap opera shit in absurd volumes for a while now so he's just running on autopilot and not bothering to revise repeated phrasings/sentence structures.

>>25561142
That chapter was posted in April, likely written months before, and there's no guarantee the author was using frontier models. I used Claude Fable 5.1 recently and it absolutely still shits out those types of phrases.

>>25561121
>>25561133
i figured it was just a stylistic thing.

>>25561142
disagree, its probably a shitty Ai thay got context poisoned and thinks its supposed to be repetitive cuz all the previous shit is too
the stock phrases and simile soup are just so obviously ai

>>25561151
"durr de durr all high volume slop is ai"

>>25561159
not what I said, retard

>>25561159
You're the one reading and talking about AI stories here, aren't you?

>>25561180
not really
i mostly read translated chinese shit or obviously human-written shit and otherwise spend most of my time writing
recommend "USA the Father of Gaming" which has some actually decent vidya history autism in it

I did read a chunk of reincarnated as a brewer for research purposes and it never registered as AI to me, just regular trash. It's important to distinguish the two or else "AI" will become a meaningless insult.

>>25561194
>It's important to distinguish the two or else "AI" will become a meaningless insult.
I agree but your radar is fucked

>>25561201
Repetitive phrasing is not an AI-specific issue. I have to fight it constantly. Whenever I go into a flow state and shit out prose, I have to go over it and check for repeated phrase shapes in the same paragraph. Something that releases as much volume as Brewer would obviously be a pure water-writing (forward only no edits) sloppa. Maybe it gets AI-y later, I don't know, I only read around 96ch deep.

>>25561209
The repetition is only one part of the tell. The biggest red flag is how its spamming comparisons that dont really fit
The paragraph that anon found >>25561133 really is a smoking gun

>>25561121
(me)
i was right, Pangram detects mixed AI usage (70%). it's definitely some newb relying on AI but not copy pasting wholesale

>>25561194
>it never registered as AI to me, just regular trash. It's important to distinguish the two or else "AI" will become a meaningless insult.
Personally I've let go of "AI" as any kind of pejorative and just focus on quality. In the reverse, I perceive it and human produce garbage as the same "regular trash." And it's been working out great for me.
Whether some idiot prompts a pile of garbage or the same idiot handwrites a pile of garbage doesn't change how I don't value it at all. I just step aside and focus on what's good. That said I do blanket avoid anything labeled AI. If it ever produces anything good, I'm sure someone (whom I know personally) will let me know and have a convincing argument.

>>25561322
>Personally I've let go of "AI" as any kind of pejorative and just focus on quality.
People don't say something is bad because it's AI but because it's by AI, it tends to be bad. In the rare cases where it's readable, it's because the author rewrote practically everything, which effectively means it's not really AI anymore.

I'll stillt ake badly written amateur fiction over soulless lore ipsum that means nothing and goes nowhere, only superficially copying a language.

>>25561359
I meant in the sense that there are some people running around calling anything they don't like "AI" without any evidence rather than just saying it's bad.

ate pork schnitzel today
been writing a battle scene while gassing myself
call than anne franking it

>>25560366
>Where would this even come up? I can't think of anything that wouldn't seem extremely contrived just to mention it.
Spice & Wolf?

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This book is the ultimate anti-hype.
You have all these plot threads that appeared and resolved themselves in the most anti-climactic way possible. Characters that were introduced and faded into the background. Setups that went absolutely nowhere. And, of course, an MC (author) that’s more concerned about flexing that he went to med school than telling a story with proper arcs.
It’s like a roller coaster climbing way up high, only for the passengers to take the world’s dullest elevator down.

That said, next chapter when?

>>25561577
you are genuinely the only one here reading this garbage

>>25561702
i'm going to start reading it just so that you are wrong

>>25561133
The mental ledger thing reaally reeks of AI slop. When you tell the AI a character is "analytical" that type of shit comes up all the time.
Source: 9000 of RP on various models.

>>25561713
'this garbage' meant all of the obscure ai-written and turbo-slop stories he posts about, not this one specifically

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>nufireren elf mage snailpaced SoL
>reincarnated as quirky inanimate object
>lvl99 adventurer becames a farmer
>another mc isekai'd at the end of 1st chapter
Thank you Rising Stars is gifting me an aneurysm

Did that other anon who picked up Archean Eon Art ever finish it? I got into the first hundred chapters but got sidetracked by other stuff.

>>25561816
stop finding stories on rising stars
this is the equivalent of a crack addict wandering around downtown looking for new dealers
you are so far gone

>>25561133
We should all take a page from the Koreans.

A room that had heard its fair share of scolding.
Click.
The door shut softly.
Sip.
“Mm. Good tea.”
Alric savored the steam curling lazily past his face. Without turning, he addressed the cold woman standing behind him.
“You should try some.”
“It wouldn’t be proper, my lord.”
“Neither is refusing your employer so heartlessly. Please, I insist.”
“…”
Seren’s gaze flicked to the servant waiting at a discreet distance. She made a mental note to give her lord an earful later.
She dropped into the chair opposite him.
The aroma hit her at once, warm and faintly sweet. She hated to admit it, but it smelled wonderful.
Sip.
“Well?”
“…Good.”
Alric’s gloating laughter followed her admission.
Make that two earfuls.

>>25561833
what the fuck did he mean by this?

>>25561133
that's AI for sure.

>>25561841
it's literally just the local sloptardpiggylord arguing it isn't. because he reads that shit and gets fooled by it consistently

>>25561837
Art. The apex of Art represented in its most unadultered senescence through the mere snippet of a Korean webnovel.

>>25561816
Why was that last one lumped in with the others? It seems more like a trope than a rip off.

>>25561816
But the rock one is cool though

I guess i'll ask here since its either this or ask an AI

Im trying to write, as the local 4chan writers call it, a slop story (LitRPG) and need help with the worldbuilding

I was thinking of taking part the Solo Leveling premise and have portals open all over the world and pour monsters from there, right in the middle of cities and such, except this time guns are a perfectly valid responce and the System™ accomodates for them the same way they would an archer class. Missiles and other weapons work just fine too with the problem being they don't scale the same way magical weapons with time-tested Classes do. Mana also interferes with delicate electronics, as it often does, but the change is gradual, maybe two decades of decline before everything with a modern microchip stops working forever, and rather than throwing them back to the stone age, technology takes a couple steps back. Computers become slower and occupy more space, satelites are imposible to set up properly in the forceable future (let's just say mana fucks with the connection, idk) and just about everything with a computer chip needs to be replaced or redesigned to be more rugged. Older cars, simple electronics like fans and work just fine.

The ocean and places with concentrated untouched wildlife (like the Amazon jungle) change to be more dificulty to traverse due to mutated animals appearing and attacking people. Comunication with other continents is slow and trade imposible unless its under heavy escort.

Now knowing all of this crap, how do you think the diferent countries fall apart? Do they turn their guns towards their neighbors right after dealing with the monsters invasion? Do they fall appart due to not having enough manufactury capabilities or resources on their own? Do they have too many contradictions and split into smaller factions?

And most importantly, how do play it off without showing my "power level"? If i say an isolated Israel nukes his neighbors and gets genosided in return, will people in general call me out as anti-semite or racist? Is there a way to soften the blow?

>>25562059
How does it effect sea travel? The Persian Gulf, Indian Ocean and Strait of Malacca are hugely important since the bronze age. If China loses Gulf oil access they are relatively more fucked than others.
Most small countries would fall apart or wall themselves in and the big boys with large standing armies would go full martial law and either also lockdown or try for land grabs since the ability to proxy and interfere is diminished or gone.
>Israel
As long as you also show how fucked many other countries are nobody is going to think that's too crazy.

>>25562059
This is why I don't write stories set in the real world. I mean, you have a global audience. If you post on RR, there's a high probability that people from the countries you mention are reading and they can see clearly how far from reality your story likely is, and they'll probably want to argue about it. You have to become an expert on the culture, history, society, and military of 200 countries or risk offending somebody, and that's just not happening. Nobody will be having any fun. There's a reason the gook stories usually just stick to Korea and only vaguely allude to what's going on elsewhere.

>>25562091
I agree, though obviously as we all know the Koreans will include the pernicious Japanese getting BTFO by the righteous Korean protagonist.

>>25562059
I guess if there's any way to make it work, either do as the Chinese do ("Eagle Nation" on "Blue Star") or set it in an alternate history sort of thing. And make it clear that it's an alternate history in the description because otherwise you're going to get a barrage of "well, actually..." shitstirrers.

>>25562122
Blue Star is used because of censorship work around not because they're worried about what gweilo will think.

>>25562151
They don't worry about what gweilo think when they're too busy worrying about the Party thinks, but the underlying problem is the same.

The line between reality and fiction has become too blurred for people. 20 years ago, you could blow up the white house for fun and joke about the french being experts at surrendering. Today, no one would even smile. Everything is viewed through the left/right social-political goggles and serious business.

>>25562088
>>25562091
>>25562122
Going alternate history might be the best course
Im thinking "Soviet Russia never fell", "The cold war never stopped" and "9/11 and the subsequent globohomo policies never happened"
Personally i think this timeline went to shit (storywise) the moment the US stopped having a rival
Any other fun alternate history scenarios?

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anyone have chart like this but for winnies?

>>25562059
https://fucknovelpia.com/novel/there-is-no-world-for

this literally what you just described but korean

>>25562867
Nice! Something i can steal ideas from!
Thanks anon!

>>25562855
any time a discussion happens on what the must-read web novels are, everyone disagrees with everyone else

>>25562059
>I guess i'll ask here since its either this or ask an AI
Thanks for asking here where you have better odds of getting human feedback.

>Mana also interferes with delicate electronics, as it often does, but the change is gradual, maybe two decades of decline before everything with a modern microchip stops working forever,
I like this idea, and there's an easy way to explain it: magic is affecting smaller, more compact electronic circuits first. From 3nm chips up gradually to 7, 15, 20 and so on, meaning newer chips go bad then older chips, until some point where you want to stop, maybe even all the way to vacuum tube transistors. Long distance communication can fall back to dial up internet or even telegraphs.

>Now knowing all of this crap, how do you think the diferent countries fall apart?
There's a few ways to do this, most people aren't in the know about geopolitics enough to predict which states collapse and which ones just go more authoritarian and deal with the problem competently. So I'd say it just depends on how you want your plot to go. My instinct is that developed countries would handle it fine, with Japan (because familiarity with isekai and modern fantasy), USA (because second amendment), and China (because authoritarian) all handle such a problem competently. Europe would get ravaged then organize and start being competent. Africa and underdeveloped Asia would see the collapse of modern states but the rise of warlords. Australia should get rekt. New Zealand should go bunker mode. Latin America should collapse but then Americans should spill out and colonize them because guns and manifest destiny, perhaps even against the wishes of the government. Canada can either go Europe mode or be colonized.

>Do they turn their guns towards their neighbors right after dealing with the monsters invasion? Do they fall appart due to not having enough manufactury capabilities or resources on their own? Do they have too many contradictions and split into smaller factions?
I would say you can plot this however you want and readers will accept it.

>And most importantly, how do play it off without showing my "power level"? If i say an isolated Israel nukes his neighbors and gets genosided in return, will people in general call me out as anti-semite or racist? Is there a way to soften the blow?
Just don't mention Israel. Like, at all. If you must, play it as a mystery. Nukes were used, it's unclear who did it, everyone's claiming something different, but what is clear is that Muslim high level fighters invaded Israel and took it over, and the strongest Israeli fighters moved somewhere else and stabilized that region, there was a huge refugee crisis, and maybe they're all butthurt and fighting while monsters ravage the area. Basically full descent into chaos. But I would ignore the middle east if it were me.

>>25562059
>not showing power level

The return of magic caused certain apocalyptic cults to believe their specific end of the world was happening. This led to a thermonuclear exchange which that annihilated a number of major cities, most of the middle east, and parts of eurasia.

There. Nuke Israel, India, whatever else you want. Just be vague about it.

>>25562945
>which that annihilated
KILLING MYSELF I'M KILLING MYSELF

>>25562945
>>25562949
Thank you for your sacrifice anon, it was very helpful

>>25562910
I think i will go with "Both sides claim it was the other's fault" and leave it at that, thanks

>>25561833
A lot of these sentences could be merged. And dialogue tags.

>>25562908
Go ask /v/ to post their 9 must play games

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I've finished the romance arc of sss suicide hunter. I didn't think it was a bad arc like people said. The only problem was that the transition between Gongja going from "I don't know about love" to "I'm head over heels in love with that woman" wasn't smooth. Besides that, Raviel is great despie clearly being the author self insert waifu and I liked Gongja's guts. It's so rare to find an MC claiming that he is going to make a heroine fall in love with him

>>25562469
I always wanted to make an alt-history based on one of my EU3 MEIOU games. I had a campaign as Roman Empire earlier this year that I toyed with the idea of flipping into a litrpg isekai and the trope of it being a century into the campaign's timeline. Pretty much just the premise that propped up after Max Level Archmage. I've been sleeping on it to focus on my active story sine I don't have a solid plot or even an ending for the alt history one. I was interested in reading Savrola as pointers recently but apparently it's flat-out just terrible.

Why is it so rare to find haremslop academy setting in westoid webnovel despite it being a common staple in eastoid webnovel

>>25563055
Because both academy and harem aren't as popular as it is in Korea
Hope that helps

>>25563085
retard

>>25563036
>the author self insert waifu
If your female love interest isn't your waifu then what the fuck are you doing

start writing scene intending to do maybe 3k words of it
look inside
10k words and not even done
many such cases

>>25563163
my notes say
>insert compressed breach/battle sequence
but I ended up turning it into basically a vehicle to feed readers worldbuilding using combat and gore as jangling keys

>>25563163
>>25563172
What kind of substance abuse led you to believe a 10k-word battle sequence with muh worldbuilding was a good idea? (Spoiler: it's not)

>>25563190
it's kino and my readers like it
it's also not the usual "he punched, then ducked" play by play SLOPPA that most of you think is a battle sequence
it's more like a mini-dungeoncrawl in structure

>>25563097
Why do you think so many authors put "NO HAREM" disclaimer on their synopsis? Because almost everyone hates that trash and will drop preemptively if a story even smells a little like a harem

>>25563192
>it's kino and my readers like it
Your mom AND your little brother?

>>25563196
let's be realistic, your family members are the least likely people to actually, really read your work

Anyone know a good scraper for RR? 'STUBBING SOON' shits me.

>>25563194
i called you a retard because you answered the question "why is this not popular in the west" with "because it's not popular in the west"
a real answer would be bla bla bla culture stuff and probably examples of proto harem stuff in their fiction that established that standard, and probably some stuff about christian morality for the west
dumb question but your sarcastic attempt at a quip-answer was even dumber

>>25563232
WebToEpub is probably what you're after.

>>25563194
It's not that everyone hates it. Harem has a pretty large fanbase, mostly on Amazon/KU. The issue is that harem is strongly POLARIZING. People either like it, or hate it, and there's not tolerance in between the two which have formed up into groups.

The important thing is to be very clear up front if Harem is in it or not, to drive away the spergs who haterate when they think they see it coming. Or just accept that loud retards will whine if you don't. Most readers are silent, so it's easy to forget, but they are the majority.

>>25563271
The only harem I find tolerable is the 2 girls + 1 dude formula, anything above that means heroines will be fighting for relevancy and the one you liked probably got the least dialogue lines

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>had a whole story set up about a travel around the world
>several different encounters in different regions and how they shape the protagonist
>all about the way he tries to reach a specific final goal on the map half a world away
>read up on something only tangentially related
>realize the winds where I thought would go around westwards actually go around eastwards
>making this entire journey pointless because theres no logical reason for the protag to westward unless the winds actually blow that way
>literally have to either fuck up the entire worldbuilding by rearranging everything to suit the story
>or rewrite everything and make up a dozen new encounters with completely different characters and cultures
>the main character would never get to meet plot important characters
FFUUUUCK

>>25563381
>ctrl+f [westwards]
>replace all with [eastwards]
You can thank me later

>>25563381
>realize the winds where I thought would go around westwards actually go around eastwards
I could only hope to attain this level of autism.
But thinking that winds only blow one way is nonsense.

>>25563404
>But thinking that winds only blow one way is nonsense.
google "science"

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>>25563404
>But thinking that winds only blow one way is nonsense.
That's actually how ocean winds and currents work.
>>25563402
Unless I reverse the rotation of the planet for no fucking reason and mess up sundown/rise directions in a story where navigation is the mortar between each story brick, my protag wont be able to make a 2000 mile journey southwest while in the middle of the westerlies (which do not blow TO the west but FROM the west). At that point, going all the way around east is better.

>>25563408
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevailing_winds
If someone's doing a sailing voyage, critical information!

The solution is, as always, to set the story on a fantasy planet that behaves how the plot demands.

>>25563415
There are monsters in the zone where the winds favor him, so he has to sail against the wind to get where he wants to go.

>>25563422
how long do you think crossing seas or oceans takes

>>25563424
A month or two? And we don't know anything about his seas or planet. As long as you need to make it work.

>>25563427
Also you forgot to mention the Great Current which flows in the direction he wants to go, which makes it super fast.

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>>25563408
>>25563415
Looking at some big ass arrow and believing that wind only blows in that direction regardless of the year, the time of day, the weather, local geography, and a hundred other factors is, again, complete nonsense.

>>25563486
>25563486
clueless

I miss Tina
What does it say that we haven't moved on like our Golden Ideal has

I've come to the realization that the real mark of success is your story being mentioned-either getting shat on or praised in /wng/

>>25563532
>I've come to the realization that the real mark of success is your story being mentioned-either getting shat on or praised
wow so sensible
>in /wng/
fuck it's just another retard

>>25563527
I don't

>>25563381
>Nothing burger
Here, I'll tell you a secret. No one except people you should ignore will care about this, trust me.
Nitpicking on stuff like this is just an excuse not to write anyways.

>>25563535
I'm just saying-if your story gets mentioned on such a niche part of the internet like a certain Mongolian basket weaving forum unprompted, wouldn't you call that a success?

>>25563552
On such a contrarian and snobbish board at that... You've pretty much made it

>>25563552
>the real mark of success
>is being mentioned in the Mongolian basket weaving forum
no. obviously not
being talked about is a mark of success, generally speaking. positive or negative. but this thread is tiny and meaningless. people here talk about shit nobody has heard of. it also doesn't talk about shit that seemingly everybody reads. the biggest offenders being Primal Hunter and HWFWM, or if you're going to argue those are old: shit like HDT and PTT and lots of others.
this thread is too niche. chatter here means nothing. fucking Clara Casewell is apparently the #1 web serial according to this thread
honestly i'm pretty sure most posters here are failed trad writers larping (failure-coping) into the web novel scene

>failed trad writers larping
hey look its me

If you were to break it down, what do (you) want from a litRPG? Personally, I look for ones that take themselves seriously, don't have MCs with annoying personalities, and actually fulfill the power fantasy when they promise one.

>>25563194
>Why do you think so many authors put "NO HAREM" disclaimer on their synopsis?
Because they don't want readers.

>>25563647
>Proactive protagonist
>Some exciting element. Eg a cool premise or world building or romance or harem or smut or science or... Something that grabs my attention and gets me invested in the story.
>No quirky side characters (like talking animals that are trying to be funny)
>More than 30 chapters.
That's it. It's maddening how many stories fail to meet these criteria.

Ideally I would like the story not to have woke-type stuff in it. Eg don't insist on calling them "craftsperson" and "craftspeople". But this isn't a dealbreaker.

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>>25563242
Ta. Did the job well.

>>25563647
This is less about litRPG and more about web novels in general.
I live only for the satisfying moments when the MC does something insane and the side characters react to it. That’s probably why I gravitate toward less serious stories like Eminence in Shadow, Fake Saint of the Year, Turn Based Swordsman, and the various villainess and young master stories.
My inner twelve year old is happy when seeing stuff like this:

“You can’t touch me. I rule this city!” the pot-bellied mayor sneered, his double chin quivering.
“Is that so?”
I pointed at his left leg.
It vanished.
For a heartbeat, nothing happened. Then blood sprayed across the marble, and the mayor crashed to the floor.
“AAAGH! My leg! My leg! What the hell did you do to my leg?!”
His screams echoed through the hall. His guards stood frozen, weapons half-drawn. Not one of them moved as I strolled toward their fallen boss with unhurried footsteps.
I leveled my finger at his forehead.
“W-wait! I’ll give you anything! Money, land, anything! Just please…”
“Too late.”
Teleport.
His head, and only his head, vanished, sent twelve miles away to the town square. By now it was probably rolling to a stop in front of the town hall.
The body slumped. Blood spurted from the severed neck and spattered across my mask. I peeled it off and let it fall.
Silence settled over the room, so complete I could hear the blood dripping onto the floor.
I turned to the rest of them.
“M-Monster!”
“Run! Run away!”
Without a second thought, the so-called elite guards dropped their weapons and fled, trampling one another toward the doors. Only their captain remained.
She was a graceful woman in a knight’s uniform, her hands gripping a silver blade. Her once-prideful blue eyes trembled as they reflected my face.
“Why… Why is it you…?” Those eyes knew me. “…Anon!”
A smile curled across my lips, and I swept into a courtly bow.
“It’s been a long time, sister.”

Just scenes like this + the fallout sprinkled in every few chapters to string me along is all I need.

>>25563233
I wasn't the original poster, but "readers don't want it" is a perfectly valid answer to "why don't more writers do this?" you idiot sandwich

>>25558692
I am but a starving harem dog and QQ my bowl of slop

Hey NMR-3, got a question. Why does Master Shu keep saying that his specialty is *not* void? Are you trying to duck out of the whole 'void is op' stuff entirely or do you have plans for that later? Just curious.

>>25563938
Everything seems black and white with him, very dao, blah blah. Maybe the abscence is the black, the no-space is the white and black and the white is whatever we haven't seen?

Also goddamn, I wish our hero would tell Shu and kill himself for the look on his face.

>>25563735
maybe if you're dumb. it's just restating "it's not popular" in other words instead of addressing the why

>"I speedread this story in two days!"
>story is 12 chapters long

Favorite 12-chapter story to speed read in two days?

>>25563992
I think the fight with the other master made it clear that the black was existence and white was absence. And yeah, I'd love to see Wu Hao fuck with people by just yeeting himself onto swords and shit, lol. We kinda got a little of that in the tournament where he slid himself forward on that poor girls sword and was like 'ill get you next time'. Priceless face on her.

what if the isekai hero was exiled from the demon lord's army

Someone give me wuxia cultivation stories with decent prose; as in, not obviously machine translated

>>25564273
Martial World

>>25563938
>Are you trying to duck out of the whole 'void is op' stuff entirely
Yes. Also, void's overused. His thing is more negative space, to put it succintly.

It was always the plan that Wu Hao got a master that he awoke basically by accident, though I hadn't nailed down what that would be until fairly late into this book. Negative space seemed to fit neatly with the master being into arrays and stuff. It's a nice visual metaphor that I can get a lot of use out of, it gives him a fairly distinctive style, and it's not that complicated to explain while also allowing for a good chunk of pseudophilosophical rambling if I need to fill some pagetime.

A Practical Guide to Evil is surprisingly good despite clearly being a first draft with a solutely zero editing. So far Worm clears,but I am looking forward to the finished published version.

I'm line editing the shit out of it almost constantly as I read because the errors and bad grammatical structure are both extremely common and extremely blatant.

>>25564344
Gatcha, that's the feeling I got but wasn't sure. I like how his techniques and qi manifestations get compared to paintings too. Kind goes with the black is stuff and white is non-stuff. A blank canvas is nothingness until the ink lands on it.

>>25564352
So how does that turn into "surprisingly good"...?

>>25564447
nta but apgte is one of the best web novels out there
it starts pretty meh but gets better and better and becomes one of my top 3 by like book 3ish

>>25564273
Eternal sacred king

>>25564344
Stop posting on 4chan and go back to writing. I have been waiting for weeks to stack chapters and I barely got any

>>25564447
It depends on your reddit tolerance, frankly. I thought it got worse as time went on and the author pandered to his donors more and eventually dropped it.

It starts off doing clever stuff with story structures and then rug pulls the entire structure with 'lol the universe hates you' and the metapremise for all that and its structure as well as the nature of the universe doesn't make an awful lot of sense. Plus the aforementioned stuff you need a tolerance for.

>>25564277
>wuxia
>MT

>>25564716
WuxiaWorld isn't machine translated and the original owner bought it back now

>>25564352
Isn't that the one where both adult men an women flirt with the MC when shes 16 and the people that normally freak out if japs depict romance between two 16 year olds are somehow fine with it.

>>25564759
question mark
MT is xianxia not wuxia

>>25564716
>>25564774
actual retarded tourist

>>25564776
Get date raped into a reincarnation like Lin Ming, faggot. You will live out one hundred lives as a rodent.

I posted 3 long chapters today and didn't write to take a break,, hitting my goal of min patreon chapters. Everything after this is backlog for the RR launch in 1-2 weeks.
Tomorrow I will write 2-3k
WAGMI bros

>>25564774
>>25564776
hilariously you are both wrong
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/martial-world/
it's xuanhuan

>>25564786
https://www.wuxiaworld.com/

>>25564836
wuxiaworld also tags it as xuanhuan and not wuxia you dumb retard

>>25564781
That's not that long.

>>25564856
>expecting chineseslop readers to have basic intelligence or fact check themselves before responding