Merman edition>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Banned Authors:Joe AbercrombieA.A. AttanasioR. Scott BakkerC.J. CherryhGlen CookSteven EriksonR.A. LaffertyMark LawrenceGeorge R.R. MartinWalter MoersPatrick RothfussGene Wolfe>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffgPrevious:>>25548738
finished pic relatedit was overall a good book the authors' onions nature comes out in a few paragraphs towards the end, it didn't completely ruin it for me though
Thank god the banlist is back. I was getting worried we would have to talk about "them."
>>25558733Baynefag thread>>25558787Baynefag samefag
op is faggot
imagine giving Brandon Sanderson a long, sloppy, loving blowjob
think I will re-read The First Law, I never got around to the sequel trilogy
>>25558841The poster's undisguised fetish continues on.https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25539535#p25546810https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25471778#p25473590https://warosu.org/lit/thread/21756708#p21760966
>>25558841he's mormon, they don't believe in blowjobs
>>25558849
>>25558851I think it's okay as long as they don't cum
>>25558853I remember enjoying them
Finished Hyperion. I have the second book ready to go. Is it worth it after the second? I hear the series falls off by the third.
>>25558865No.
>>25558865OverHypederion
>>25558865Am I the only person in these threads that liked cyber Kates and that stuff?
What am I in for?
>>25558971A long book.
>>25558854I didn't know mormons were into such fucked-up shit.
Currently slogging through The Expanse.I'm on book 7, of 10 I think? Anyway the ideas aren't bad. The political stuff is weel thought out and somewhat realistic. But it visibly dropped in quality once a major character left the scene. I'm only reading to see if (unlikely) he appears again at this point. So far it's 8/10 books 1 to 5 and 5/10 for 6 and 7
>>25558971Good stuff.And some Shallan.
>>25559001Dogs know their work.
Shallan's pristine pink butthole
Which sci-fi novels would you recommend for someone new to the genre? I want to branch out from fantasy. As an esl I’d prefer my first book not to be too flowery, especially since I’m still not familiar with space settings. I enjoy war and adventure stories.
>>25559056The Three-Body Problem.It is translated to English so it is very easy to understand.
>>25559056Red Rising trilogy is really good, if you can make it through the beginning of the first book.
>>25559056The Three-Body Problem is shit, btw.
Just read the Death of Dr. Island. Solid story, but I suppose I preferred the Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories.Still, Death of Dr. Island feels very true to our society. Wolfe hit the mark there.
>>25559056Voyage of the Space Beagle
ugly covers ruin the book because I cannt imagine my own hero because I saw how the hero looks like in the cover and hes drawn fugly
Man it's a complete mindfuck how the core premise of the Altered Carbon show is diametrically opposed to the books.I'm not sure which soapbox is more obnoxious but I'm hesitantly giving it to the show just because it's slightly more front and center.
>>25559124I really liked the show's first season. Never read the books.
Opinions of "The Drowned World" by J.G. Ballard?
>>25559131Bad.
>>25559131Kathy didn't like it.
>>25559139Why?>>25559142>Wombnigger opinionDon't care. Didn't read.
>>25559056Neuromancer
>>25559150She's making some good points.
>>25559056why don't you read books in your mother tongue?
Where should I start with Lord Dunsany?
>>25559159Nah.
>>25559072NTA but I thought it was terrible. Didn't do anything much, the actual prose was god awful, and the core concept wasn't even that interesting.>>25559056Hyperion. On Basilisk Station. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (or Starship Troopers). Rendezvous with Rama.
>UMMMM... some 2.5/10 roastoid on GoyBreeds said its bad soooo....The absolute STATE of this fucking general, holy shit.
>>25558971More Classism, Racism,Shallan,drama, action, and people making retarded decisions.I hope Jasnah wasn't one of your favorite characters from the last book, she doesn't do much this book.
>>25559203any sex?
>>25559206The sex is only in 5th book because he needed to heavily imply something.
>>25559206Like Anon said, Sanderson doesn't write sex scenes in SLA except for a fade to black implying it. If sex gets brought up its usually just an indicator of how close characters are, or to clarify orientation.
START READING Alfred Bester, J. G. Ballard, Brian W. Aldiss, C. L. Moore, Colin Wilson, Samuel R. Delany, Bryan Kneale, Kurt Vonnegut, Robert Silverberg, H. G. Wells, George Orwell, William S. Burroughs, Michael Moorcock, Christopher Priest, Ursula K. Le Guin, John Wyndham, Keith Roberts, Harlan Ellison, Mary Shelley, Philip K. Dick, Joe Haldeman, Stanisław Lem, William Gibson, Kazuo Ishiguro.STOP READING any YA fiction, and most if not all SFF published in the last 35 years.You're welcome.
>>25559222Colin Wilson was better at underground fiction.
>>25559192Kathy >>>>>>> YevYou may not like it, but 'em the facts.
>>25559238Don't know who any of your imaginary internet friends are. Don't care either. Go back.
>>25559240>tourist asking me to go backTypical. Heh. Feel free to seethe back, of course.
Anyway, Bakker says he's finished his new sci-fi horror book (Lollipop Factory).I won't link his blog post because it's basically CNN speaks: the person. Conditioned to never mention the kikes.
>>25559238I gave it 1.5 stars, so not all that different than Kathy.
>>25559222ok grandpa
>Erm.... Goodreadstrannies have ALWAYS shitted up the general, ACKCHUALLY! U R LE... TOURIST!!!!1111oneoneNo (You) for you.
>>25559232Kek, Wilson was a L. Ron Hubbard ripoff.
I long for the days when people were too embarassed to admit they read Sandsrson.
>>25559290So, an imaginary time?
I finally read There Is No Antimemetics Division. I liked it a lot, I'm pretty familiar with SCP lore so maybe I had an easier time going in than others. Mostly I was impressed by how each chapter almost works like its own thing, with specific concepts and goals.
>>25559321Your day had an easier time going into your asshole when he lubed it up with spit, you fucking faggot.
>>25559326*dad
>>25559321>disconnected chapters are goodqntm is a bad pantser.The book is fine, mind you, but no more than a 6.5/10. It was a disappointing read for me.
Has pagespammer been MIA for the last dozen or so threads or am I missing something?
>>25559397i'm here. what's up?
>>25559403Ah, kill yourself.
>>25559413too scared to do it...
>>25559321I also enjoyed it, had no background with SCP but could tell it was several stories stacked on top of each other. Climax was a little disappointing, but it was a clever way to sell a book of short stories as a novel.I like seeing unusual paths to author success, on a meta level. The original, pre-trad pub edited version is way worse than the updated, though. >>25559397He's too busy reading four pages a day.
>>25559397You've been very inattentive or not reading the threads at all, which shows that ignorance can be bliss.
>>25558971I liked this one way back when but hated the third and shelved he author
>>25559056Hyperion
>>25559056Ender's Game is good simple fun. Best if you go in to it completely cold though. If you know the story already from seeing the movie it's less enjoyable.
>>25559165Not him, but presumably because his mother tongue doesn't have a good selection of speculative fiction.
>>25559056Ender's Game is a common intro to sci-fi for English speaking kids. The language is easy enough to grasp, and it's still popular to this day because it's a captivating read. The sequel novels to Ender's Game, though, are a lot weirder.
>>25559206Sanderson only writes wholesome Mormon fantasy for wholesome Mormon kids. Horrific violence is okay (though he never gets too graphic with it) but nudity? The best you get is a PG-rated romantic embrace.
>>25559580Umm but Siri has dozens of nude scenes in Warbreaker
Patrick Rothfuss is an asshole
>>25559088Please refrain from discussing banned authors. Refer to the above list of banned names in the OP.
>>25558971You'll have to do a lot of reading before the MC does anything cool, then you'll just be reading the MC introspect and be neuroticHe writes for mentally ill teens
>>25559589Yes he is.
>>25559056A Fire Upon The Deep, also. I liked the whole idea about space travel and technology being more or less difficult depending on proximity to the center of the galaxy.
Does Syl watch Kaladin when he needs to take a shit or have a wank?
>>25559056sci-fi doesn't work for ESL readers.too much of it is idiomatic, allegory, in-jokes for people that are in on the joke and nobody else, ideas that make NO sense unless you have been inculcated to the genre for your entire lifewe're a cult, not a genre
what's everyone's favorite Philip K. Dick novel/story?
>>25559661the one that was turned into a better movie
>>25559663There's no movie adaption of Ubik, thoughbeit.
>>25559658This post is complete nonsense, probably a person who hasn't read a sci-fi book published since the 1980s at the latest.
>>25559669if you can't name the most important science fiction novel published this year right now, it's because you are not a part of the cult.
>>25559661Galactic Pot-Healer or Now Wait for Last Year
are there any modern fantasy books that aren't faggy?
>>25559661The Skull
>>25559700No, which means must remain in the Golden Age.
>>25559671It's obviously Platform Decay.
>>25558733>A.A. Attanasio>wrote The Last Legends of Earth>dimensional entity from the center of the galaxy pops out into normal space>creates a solar system populated with humans in order to lure out and genocide the zōtl>intelligent sapient flying spiders who pith your brain, releasing chemicals that keep you in constant lucid agony and pain while they feed and control your bodyThe only people who would hate this are Jews.
Let’s kick some fused ass!
>>25559742I just keep thinking about a juicy butt, without the crack, cuz the cheeks are fused together
How do I write a comedic fantasy story without it being reddit?
>>25559844
>>25559844You don't.
>>25559844Crass and bawdy. Its the only way to avoid quip hell
>>25559844Let it be reddit. Then, when it is finished, publicly denounce reddit so everyone understand you oppose reddit in your book.
>>25559844Make it urban fantasy or magical realism.
>>25559844LOTS of rape
>>25559165Like the other anon said, we only get classics translated. When it comes to genre fiction like fantasy and sci-fi, there’s basically nothing available except the biggest titles like lotr, asoiaf and dune
Haven't read A Game of Thrones Chapter in 2 days after reading 3 chapters 1 day
>>25559168I just read Elf King's Daughter. I rather liked it.
>>25559056Starship Troopers.
Neal Asher's Spatterjay series seems strange enough to keep my attention which is nice. I detect a hint of The Culture influence with the AI-run "Polity" civilization and a tiny bit of Hyperion flavoring with the Shrike-like "Skinner" character thus far but I'm only about five chapters in so its far too early to be certain. I dunno... I think I like it. Sometimes judging a book solely by its cover pays off in interesting ways. Found one of my all-time favorite authors that way actually. Maybe in retrospect this series will become a favorite. We shall see.
>>25558947Yes. The AI Keats subplot was fucking dogshit and I hated every single second of it. It was bad and you should feel bad for having liked it.
>>25559056Gateway unironically. It's great.
>>25559661Electric Ant
>>25559889Recommendations for comedic fantasy stories with LOTS of rape?
>>25559131Ballard has interesting ideas but clunky prose
>>25559844Read Jack Vance
>>25560157Rance
how much rape is there in Malazan?
>>25560347Not that many. And most of them only last a few sentences. The worst ones are the ones in book 7 and 9.
>>25559326>can't stop thinking about dicks in assBet you're a slav
>>25559397>stops using a sepia background>anon can't spot him anymore
>>25559661Time Out of Joint, despite its weak ending.
>>25560347I'd say moderate-to-high amount. Every book has varying degrees of sexual abuse/assault/torture; sometimes against, both, males and females. The worst of the worst i.e. explicist scenes, are in books 4, 7 and 9 (bonus book 3 for Tenescowri).
>>25559844Sorry anon, but Reddit owns fun now.
>>25559844I thought Lies of Locke Lomora did it fine.
>>255590563rded (or 4thed?) for Starship Troopers first. the English is everyman and accessible, it's close-to-fantasy "SF", it's a compelling classic, and it's war and adventurenext try Andy Weir's The Martian. it's adventure rather than war, but it's true "hard" SF as the science is solid.or go straight to Expanse if you want more war.
>>25560347Why is rape so common in fantasy?
>>25560595name 10 fantasy books with rape
>>25560595women want to read them, men want to write about them
>>25560186>M-MUH.... MUH PROOOOOOOSSSEEEEGarrote yourself, FAGGOT.
>>25560607>men want to write about themMy anecdotal experience is that rape is far less common in SF, which is a much more solidly male readership than fantasy. Maybe I'm just not reading the right rape authors though
>>25560606bakker's aspect emperor and malazan alone probably would make more than ten
>>25560606Thomas CovenantMalazanGame of ThronesKushiel's DartMists of AvalonThe Poppy War> chick litHandmaid's Tale ofcOutlander - it's actually amusing just how much rape there's in this series> some sci-fi tooGap CycleThe Sparrow
Fantasy is poopy as hell. Only a wacko would read fantasy exclusively.
>>25560696Let's not beat around the bush: if you like fantasy, you're a nincompoop!
Idiots are worse than trolls.
>>25560714I was going to argue, but then I remembered pagespammer is a regular.
>>25560633game of thrones actually has zero pov character rapesits all just random side characters who get raped
>>25559456I liked the previous version better
>>25560746
>>25560741GRRM is a coward
>>25560633>Kushiel's Dartis it rape if she enjoys it?
>>25560758Yes, because it was forced on her (sometimes). Her plot-armour 'quirk' just meant she enjoyed it even if it was bad or harmful to her.
>>25560752im 95% sure grrm wanted to have sansa to be the one who was raped 100 times in the riot but the editors held his ass back
>>25560765it's impossible to rape a hardcore BDSM whore; it's only robbery at worst, amusing her at best
>>25559492Hyperion is a scam because it's keep referring to things in the current era despite being set thousands of years in the future. No, people would not give a fuck about Churchill or Wagner millennia from now, fucking hack author.
>>25560790> Plato, Archimedes, Aristotle, Euclid, Alexander the Great, Genghis KhanYeah, that would never happen.
>>25560790Socrates was thousands of years ago. Many others from 1000s of years ago are still referenced. From a practical point it's a rather silly argument. Would you have preferred all fictional people to referenced who are only mentioned in passing and mean nothing to you? This isn't uncommon, for a lot of other reasons.
>>25560809>Plato>Churchill>Alexander the GreatOne of those isn't like the others.
>>25560819nta That's true. You seem to completely devalue anything modern and believe none of it is memorable, let alone durable.
>>25560819it's true that Plato wasn't a great wartime imperial leader
>>25560741>game of thrones actually has zero pov character rapesTyrion rapes that slave girl in ADWD
>DUDE PISS SHIT AND CORPSESWhen does this get good?
>>25558865Fall of hyperion is one of my always favorite books of all time. Just a bunch of sci-fi slop
>>25560879>One of my favorite books of all time is slop Amazing mental gymnastics
>>25560869the literal prostitute? also how tf can you say you got raped by a midget, just throw him off
>>25560741Jon raped Ygritte, as wildlings don't understand marriage and only raid and rape
>>25559131I love it>>25559142this review is valid desu, staring into a bucket of muddy water sounds fun to me though, so there is that
>>25559142>the only woman is portrayed in a completely sexist way>the whole thing is deeply racist>men mess about in boatssounds fucking awesome
>>25560875does it have magic or it's low gantssy?
>>25559088That is to say that our society is a Dr. Island. We feed people like Diane and Nicholas to Ignacio on a structural level and no one is willing to do anything about it. The sick joke is that I doubt the Ignacios of our society are even 210 IQ or whatever. In any case, the society in the book is of the sort that I think Typhon would build.
>>25559123Yep, an ugly cover can be disastrous if it poisons your mind with ugly images of the world before you even read the first page. Totally changes the reading experience.
>>25560922It's boring as shit desu
>>25560913>I love itWhy?
>>25559056>I enjoy war and adventure stories.Consider Phlebas
>>25560886I didn't correct the voice to text. I meant to say that it's my least favorite book
>>25560969I haven't encountered any magic yet, but it does have supernatural creatures, angels and demons
The typical /lit/ poster is even worse than than the /sffg/ regulars.
>>25559056>Not too flowery>Enjoy war and adventure stories Starfist.
The fact that it seems utterly impossible to create a truly alien world and setting without using flaura/fauna etc. that is of earthlike make and appearance and naming conventions without resorting to making up blatant nonsense words is actually kinda sad. Why would there be crustaceans on other planets orbiting other stars bitch nigga?
Dead thread. Dead general. Dead board.
>>25561256Dead board of the dead world even.
>>25561245What could there be other than invented words to describe that which doesn't exist?
>>25561245The tamir readied thir avratl to strike the vinavir a killing blow. Thir fremloch would eat well for starshine to come.
>>25559168I second King of Elfland’s Daughter. It’s a very good book
Thread is boring with pagespammer's motivation lost
where's my GoT reading buddy? you chipping away it? i miss you...
>>25561323I made it to Catelyn 2 but I've stopped to do something else now
>>25560875I'm currently listening to it on my commute and enjoyed from the start. Not sure if I'd call it horror or low fantasy, but solid atmosphere and religious imagery so far.>>25560922Right? Long masturbatory reviews about how novels aren't cozy stories set in 2020s LA are always a good sign.
I think I've officially read enough of the stock sff plots. I don't want to read any more:>heroes journey to save the kingdom>scrappy humans on losing side of first contact >post-apocalyptic discovery of the REAL reason for the apocalypse>ragtag group overthrows tyrant>big dumb wars in space>hero is the lost chosen one>murder mystery where the culprit is supernatural>overindulgence in technology causes global crisis
Who's your fantasy character mount rushmore? For me it's Paul Atreides, Erekose, Feric Jager and Cugel. Four great men who helped save civilization!
>>25559844Don’t try to be “clever”, try to be funny/humorous. Those are two very different things. A piano falling on a man walking down a sidewalk is funny. A piano falling and barely missing the dude while he says “well, THAT just happened.” will never be funny. A comedian once said, “Breasts are not funny. Titties are hilarious. Vaginas are boring. Pussy is hilarious.” Or something to that effect.
>>25560393It’s as if the page spammer just wore groucho glasses
>>25559150>wombnigger Kek
>>25561374I love saving civilization! Though you could say Leto 2 was the one who really saved civi!
>>25561371Fortunately there's much more than that.
>>25559643Technically Kaladin doesn't wank; he makes a fist in front of his dick and Syl pushes his hips back and forth.
>>25561446Yes, there is, and I'm enjoying expanding beyond those. I've just realized how much of genre lit is - for lack of better term - slop.
>>25560608Not my fault you have a verbal IQ of 80
>>25561482Excuse me, but YOU'RE the one butthurt that genre fiction isn't the home of Nabakov-tiered writing. YOU are the retard here, actually.
>>25561464https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law
>>25561374So which one of those guys drew that picture?
What do you retards even do in this thread anymore?
>>25561371That's not even scratching the surface.
Going outside to read Antrax until I get sleepy or my butt is sore from my wooden steps. I saw a black cat chilling across the street but it did not come when I meow'd at it.
>>25561923How are you finding Shannara thus far?
>>25560606The Stars My Destination
>>25559844If you're this worried about what retards on 4chan would think about your writing you're too insecure to do it.
>>25561923Anon: "meow"Cat: holy shit this guy's autistic
>>25559661Read it in some collection a long time ago but think it was called something like Faiths of our Fathers. Either that or Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch.
>>25561928It's a fun fantasy land. This one is my favorite. Brooks isn't afraid of killing characters off or even nonhuman ships.Book 2 has some fucked up body horror with the AI entity capturing the locals and making androids out of them.
Eurofags tell me about Perry Rhodan. As an American is it worth getting into from the very beginning? I'm curious about it. Or is there a list of specific books I should jump around to?
>>25558733why steven erikson banned?
>just finished thisahh.... so THAT'S why it's called "the face".... Vance you sly devil....
>>25559128Yeah I got nothing against Anthony Mackie, but he just couldn't continue the story as Kovacs. Very disappointing because the first season was campy at times, but I thought it was pretty good. Poe was fuckin goated.
>>25559088I love Long Sun so much
1/3rd through. Good interiority.
>>25562070That's a fucking awesome cover. Too bad the synopsis sounds horrible.
Somebody had posted about a book or book of short stories about a race of reptilian aliens on a tidally locked planet and their lives and how they have to traverse the planet as they develop to reach a breeding ground or something... it sounded really interesting but iirc it was out of print and I can't remember the title... it sounded really interesting.
>>25562070>interiority >t.Pagespammer
>>25562070the parts with the psychologist and the black guy are pretty good
Is GRRM mode the fate of all fantasy authors?
>>25559142Her first paragraph seems to have a valid point and would make me drop the book if I was reading it. The rest of the review is feminist drivel, so that can be ignored.
>>25562252Never heard of this guy, so no. They don't have the credentials like George does.
>>25562252retarded fucking post goddamn normalfags are so stupid it hurts me
>>25561916Pretend the end hasn't already come and gone.
>>25558971Marvel-inspired cape shit.
>>25559142When foids hate a book, you know it's good.
>>25562655>superhero landing pose!
>>25558733How woke is this?
>>25562660If you have to ask it's too much for you.
>>25562665Did you read the book?
>>25562673Yes.
>>25562677So, how woke is this?
>>25562679Too much for you.
>>25562683Elaborate.
>>25562693The book is, in my opinion, all things considered, excessively liberal and feminist (commonly summarised as "woke") for such tastes as your own, respected anon.
>>25562697NTA but you're retarded
>>25562700oh come on I thought it was funny(I'm not 25562683 either)
Tomorrow is October. Give me horror tinged SFF. Not horror books.
>>25562712night winds
Sanderlanchers what the FUCK is going on? Is Brandon washed?>the Prophet's words are revealed to be "Sometimes, things suck" and "Don't be a dick"How did we reach this low?
>>25562719RP;DRReddit Post; Didn't Read
>>25562719I suspect Sanderson was always like this but his previous editor would pick up and correct those kind of problems. It's a common complaint that his books took a noticeably drop in quality when his new editor took over. They seem to be too in awe to tell him "no" or "that's bad".
>>25562719>noooo she is a 21 yo child!why are they like this
>>25562739because 21-year-olds are still quite immature and we only forgive immature couples of a similar age because their immaturities cancel each other out, whereas an excessive age disparity increases the likelihood that the older is predatorially manipulating the younger with the benefit of his/her far greater life experiencenot saying it's a definite "no, this is wrong" but just pointing out that these things do happen and it is that unspoken and ill-articulated fear that these idiots are thinking of
>>25562719>the Prophet's words are revealed to be "Sometimes, things suck" and "Don't be a dick"At long last... the words to surpass, "I am his therapist." This was prophecied in The Way of Kings prologue when Gavilar said, "He must find the most important words a man can say"
Does this series get any better or will I be stuck with a bunch of unlikable morons stumbling into situations?
>>25562101He says in the intro that he wrote it just as his creative powers were drying up, but didn’t know it yet. Clearly, unconsciously, he did. A good amount of neurotic rambling that explicitly wishes it were Beckett, but it does capture that same sense of ironic resignation that’s satisfying if you’ve put away most of your delusions. But it’s light years shy of Molloy or Hunger in that he’s still too identified with his neurosis. But who’s Molloy anyway.
Anyone read Harry Harrison's Bill the Galactic Hero? Heard someone mention it as a good satire of military sci-fi and the military in general, and was written in reaction to Starship Troopers, just as The Forever War was. If you've read it what did you think? Is it worth reading?
>>25562712Stonefish by Scott R. Jones. Filed as Lovecraftian horror, but it never scared me in the slightest. Futuristic gnosticism.
>>25562764Its shitta Buddha Tolkien
I just don't find anything about a game of thrones interesting. It was like this when I watched the show too. I just hate how he writes certain characters to basically exist as caricatures or stereotypes. Viserys and Joffrey are just such bad writing. "The bitter exiled prince who will do le anything to get his throne back!" and "Da immature boy king who just does whatever he wants!" Doesn't help that none of the POV characters are interesting too, just as one dimensional except you get more words expounding on their simplicity. "Ahm a Bastard doe! and it make me cry doe!", "Me no likey breaking the rules and norms! Me like family and friends!"Somebody better tell when this shit gets deep and complicated & why people are so obsessed with it. I never understood it with the show, but the Books are supposed to be 10x better. Is the first book just shit?
>>25562905Give up. Cease and desist. Go no further.
>>25562905i think you're too intelligent for game of thrones. maybe for sci fi and fantasy in general. you should be reading like dostoyevski or some shit, like big brain books about the human condition.
>>25562905
>>25562063This book has genuinely fantastic worldbuilding.
>>25562739Women get extremely angry about the fact that they get less attractive with age and will keep pushing up the "acceptable" age unless men start standing up for themselves again.
>>25563008You're a minor-attracted person (MAP), aren't you?
>>25562719I mean, this is clearly Sanderson going for humor maybe the joke didn't land. But it's not that deep
>>25562917>>25562920Why are you guys making fun of him in defense of A Song of Ice and Fire of all things?
>>25562069Long Sun is so great. I can't say that Dr. Island is too similar, but if you love Gene Wolfe like I do, you have to try it out eventually.
>>25563169Partial samefagging on Bakkerfag's end; partial GRRM fans being megapopular worshipers themselves.
>>25562905>Viserys and Joffrey are just such bad writingYou're gonna have to try better, they're both well written villains
>>25563008You got it right, brother. Ignore the feminist who can only call others nonsensical names.
>25562905>t.troll
>>25562764The second book is one of the best fantasy novels ever written. After that it goes on to be its own thing. The characters grow into their own but don't expect anyone likeable besides Lan and sometimes Perrin.
good guys, bad guys, male and females alike... all clad in metalany books for these vibes?
>>2556306321 isn't a minor, pretending otherwise just shows you're desperate for a crumb of pussy and think sucking up to harridans is how you'll get it.
>>25563317>will keep pushing up the "acceptable" age What was the original acceptable age if it keeps being pushed up?
>>25563254>they're both well written villainslol.>>25563281lol. i see what kind of thread this is, the never heard of critically thinking one
>>25562660I've read it. Here are you trigger warnings, chud.1. Bisexual main character, with a male preference. Though romance is not a focus. But the main character uses casual sex as a stress reliever. Also, one of the minor characters is gay, and that's a plot relevant.2. The smartest character in the book is an eccentric middle aged woman who pushes everyone's buttons, and always wins in a battle of wits. She bosses everyone around, and always gets her way in the end.3. Female soldiers/police exist. This is more relevant to book 2.4. Psychedelics are used liberally.Despite these things, the focus of the book is all on the mystery. Not trying to push some strong female narrative. So all considered, I'd give the wokeness a 3/10. You're going to notice the liberal bend, as the author makes no attempt to hide it. But it's not going to get in the way of the story, unless you're one of those people who are 100% adverse to these things.
>>25563365You have no critical thinking skills if you can't understand why The Beggar King doesn't see the cognitive dissonance when he resorts to begging while listening to the lies told into his ear about how he's entitled to greatness because of his family's legacy.
>>25562905One of the themes is the old generation passing things on to the newer generations. So basically all of the younger characters are just a reflection of how their parents raised them. Joffrey is evil because his mother is 10x more evil and incompetent. The Starks are good because their parents were good, etc. There are exceptions in which awful parents raise good children, IE Viserys raising Dany. A lot of nature versus nurture
>>25563329NTA but 15-16 was historically the common age when a girl became "fair game". There are definitely unbalanced power dynamics at play for a significant age gap, but that's also true of class gaps, intelligence gaps, and attractiveness gaps... Basically there's no way to reasonably get to "relationship equality", and other anon is right that it's largely envy driven.
>>25558865I enjoyed Fall and loved the ending, but it does feel very different from the first.Endymion isn't horrible, but it's not good.
>>25563378Stupid and simplistic, "evil" to others doesnt mean poor parent, and "good" to others doesnt mean good parent, human beings can in fact be multiple different things at once, in different contexts.About as close to retard as the silly notion normies used to have that; Smart in One field should = Smart about almost anything they put their mind to.Because normies dont understand the world and think it operates as simply and one dimensionally as "one type of all encompassing smart, and the field you choose is just preference".I'm thinking if I should continue elaborating. Theres the other element or dimension of complexity I didnt even bother to get to because Im starting to become convinced that if you rationalize Joffrey, you're genuinely retarded. And thats the obvious fact that even if we concede that evil being = evil parenting, that shouldn't necessarily = evil child.There are children who grow up beaten nearly everyday of their childhood and continue it as parents, and children that grow up beaten everyday of their childhood and swear to never beat their child or harm anybody again. Human beings can be complicated, and the times they're not, theres usually a complicated reason why. When you cheat towards the intuitive uncomplicated answer for retards, without a particular enough investigation into the unique and complex factors that would make a child evil, or you choose to prefer the outcome where even the explanation is as simple as "They're just crazy" you are simplifying by choice and saying nothung meaningful about the person or the relation that created the person, because it then becomes an arbitrary coinflip
>>25563394ntaLiterary romanticism Joffrey is what is he is for many reasons, but in this series, the children of incest don't lead happy lives.
>>25563394I was just painting it in broad strokes. My point is that the story asks you if this is true with multiple examples, some extreme as Joffrey or the Lord of the Vale, and some more subtle like Tyrion or Davos. Because Joffrey has two siblings that ARE normal and kind, so you inevitably wonder "well what caused Joffrey to be that way?" It is a story about eugenics and divine bloodlines and incestual inbreeding and sibling envy
>>25563418>Because Joffrey has two siblings that ARE normal and kind, so you inevitably wonder "well what caused Joffrey to be that way?" Yeah and thats the exact problem. If no deep dive exploration is given, then it just becomes arbitrary, and when a character's personhood is arbitrary it can never be complicated because theres nothing to base it in, nothing to understand, the characters mere value then simply becomes a projection of ones intuitions onto a fictional world so as to circularly and shalloy confirm the biases and preconceptions that underpin those intuitions, never learning or deepening ones understandings of the very features and characteristics the story borrows from real life superficially, because it cannot have any legitimacy otherwise lest its pretended to be real. Something that matters and reflects on real people, else its just a contrived song and dance for retards to be entertained by without every truly thinking about or engaging with. Books are meant to say something, and without everything I have laid out that makes characters meaningful, it cannot say anything, only appeal shallowly to what you want, therefore never offering anything that isnt just an extension of yourself.I don't think any of the stark characters are particularly interesting, or daenyrs but obviously tyrion was the big popular fan favourite in the show, i dont remember caring much about him, because he's used in very cringe dynamic with joffrey, sometimes hes the redditors, i mean reader, or watcher's "Boy I wish I could slap that character!" relief character. And other times he's their abandoned puppy to feel bad for in the face of all the fakeness, vileness and brutality.I hooe tyrion the person, is more interesting than tyrion the representation of what the audience would like to do to the bad characters, and save the day just to be unappreciated by the unfair world, circularly validating their hate for it, and desire for it to change.
>>25563463nta You're deluded expectations continue on. It's time to move on to trying to find books outside of genre fiction that approach your platonic ideal of what a book is meant to be.
>>25563463You are using a lot of words to say that you wished all the mysteries were explained to you>why is this random side character not deep dived into, he's too shallow!Because he's a side character. The story isn't an interiority analysis of Joffrey he is just one cog of many. You can only see glimpses and pieces of his mystery, but that's what it is, a mystery meant to be solved
>>25563169it's not so much>in defence of ASOIAFas pissing on him for his shallow and juvenile analysis
Between Two Fires. I really liked the premise and the characters but it fell flat. The characters were great but not explored enough. The plot seemed thrown away because of the supernatural. Maybe I'm just dumb but I really wanted to like this book but it just didn't hit in the end. Curious on other opinions or if I'm just chud.
>>25563568https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=%22Between+Two+Fires%22&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post
>>25563580This is actually useful. Seems like 4chan itself should have this feature. Thanks.
>>25563587Yet another successful spoonfeeding of /sffg/'s OP.
>>25563597Okay I haven't been on sffg for like a year. Didn't read the OP. You guys banned bakker what the hell? This general has fallen. I never should have come back.
>>25563599Warosu been in the OP for many years.
>>25563601Guess I've just always been too based to read the sticky then.
Best first PKD book to read?
>>25563603It's been on /lit/ since 2011.https://warosu.org/lit/thread/2200673
>>25563605The ones that have been decided are the best by consensus.
>>25563599No authors are banned. That's just an autist who wishes he was a mod
>The whole book talks about a castle>There was no castle>It was inside the imprisoned main character from the last book's head the whole time as he's imprisoned in a singularity that slows down time so he's stuck for years in isolation>He just made it up in his head along with all the people guarding the castle>This is only told to you in the final 12 pages of the book, before that they play it off as a castle the main character has to stormHoly schizo KINO
Thread is dumb and literally can't comprehend/process literary criticism.
>>25563711No one wants you here, pagebitch.
>>25563605Ubik is a good one, and quite weird.
>>25563605I started with Time Out Of Joint which is one of his earlier works (but still well regarded). Generally I like to read authors somewhat chronologically so your mileage may vary if you're not interested in that
I need more chosen one rises in the ranks of not-rome with the secret aim of sparking rebellion+fantasy magic or scifi techno-magic slop, they're so fun to read...
>>25563599>bannedIt's for the greater good.
I'm reading Voyage of the Dawn Treader.
>>25563394>>25563463bro, what are you even doing here? you should be out there solving physics equations and telling elon musk what to do with his rockets. god damn, what wasted potential... i never put that much thought into game of thrones.
Just finished this, can't grasp how good it is
>>25563605A Scanner Darkly
>>25564002Use your words, anon. You can do it.
>>25564002Hope you mean the short story not the novel.
>>25562744>predatorially manipulating the youngermanipulating them how?
>>25563836Will of the manSun Eater Red Rising I fucking love Rome in space
>>25564031You are sixteen going on seventeenBaby, it's time to thinkBetter beware, be canny and carefulBaby, you're on the brinkYou are sixteen going on seventeenFellows will fall in lineEager young lads and roués and cadsWill offer you food and wineTotally unprepared are youTo face a world of menTimid and shy and scared are youOf things beyond your kenYou need someone older and wiserTelling you what to doI am seventeen going on eighteenI'll take care of you
>>25563836>>25564058Red Rising is a trap. Don't do it
>>25563999good troll meme
>>25564101Downtown hotspot halfway up the streetI used to be free, I used to be seventeenFollow my shadow around your cornerI used to be seventeen, now you're just like meI know what you're gonna beI know that you're gonna beYou'll crumble it up just to seeAfraid that you'll be just like meDowntown hotspot halfway through this lifeI used to feel free, or was it just a dream?Now you're a hotshot, think you're so carefreeBut you're just seventeen, so much like meYou're just seventeen, you're just seventeenSeventeen
I want the goodreadstrannies genocided.
do you like the three booty problem?
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/2026/09/lit-rpg-dungeon-crawler-carl-dragon-con/688825/Dungeon Crawler Carl and Matt Dinniman has single handedly revolutionized books and revived men reading. That's the narrative here anyway.
>>25564186>that's the narrativewho gives a fuckalso, this is being pushed by guerilla marketing because women have started picking up DCC (I know people who work in publishing), it has nothing to do with men at all
>>25564002I can.
>>25564186downloaded the .epub just now. what am i in for?
his book is a weird one, because it's about 90% worldbuilding. The world is huge and genuinely interesting, but the characters are typical hard sci-fi fare, in the sense they are mostly there just for the plot to move along. The multiple POV format helps, because you're never stuck with one protagonist for too long. That said, I genuinely enjoy the Celestial faction characters. You can never go wrong with political games in a court where the major players are hundreds or even thousands years old and know they have to coexist despite being heartily sick of each other.
>>25559056Insignia
>>25564186>Dungeon Crawler CarlAre these any good?
>>25559056
>>25564218i read the first chapter. so his name is carl and he has to go through a dungeon. good shit. let's see where it goes.
>>25564218>>25564236Fun books. Goes downhill around book 4 or 5.
>>25564014Nta. Novel is gorrilion Times better than short story.
>>25564225These two was much better that his previous works. He has good ideas, but he also vomits words. Every new book was more and more vomit. Graphomania at its best
New thread when?
>>25562764It's not adult fantasy, that's the main issue, it's YA
>>25564246>>25564236YMMW. I find the latter, less videogamey books more than the early ones. The characters also get way more fucked up as the story goes.
>>25564255I did wonder about that. I’ve been meaning to read his books for years, but the sheer amount and door-stopper size of them gave me a pause. Exodus is good, though.
>>25564343*more enjoyable
>>25564264This is /lit/, calm yo tits. This thread will still be far from page 10 in 48 hours.
>>25564183Worst prose and character writing I’ve ever read in a published book, at least until I had the misfortune of trying to read Dark Forest. Absolutely wooden.
>>25564236They're not Proust but they're fun, which is more than most modern books already.The first 10 chapters of the first book are rough. Book 3 is just alright and book 8 is a disappointment.All in all, it's enjoyable. Again, it won't rock your world.
>>25564101
>>25564183Agree with another anon, I found it awful. I didn't even like the high concept (the initial one that it pivoted away from was more interesting). It's slow philosophical sci-fi without an interesting plot, characters, or central theme. Makes me hate China.
>>25564424maybe the translation from chinese to english is shit?
>>25564522Doubtful.
I'm going to kill your families if you don't actually start talking about science fiction and fantasy right fucking now.
Uhoh. Pagebitch melty!
>>25564236Better than 99.9% of megapopular books these days.>>25564535>>25564578Uh oh Bakkerfag samefagging himself as always!
Sup senpaitachi can you redpill me on Tolkien's posthumous work? I get there's the Silmarillion, and the History of Middle Earth which is more like for die hard fans. But then Christopher released these novel versions of some of the stories shortly before he died? Wat do
>>25564731Do as thou whilt shall be the whole of the law
going to try and make a greater effort to read a game of thrones in my spare time.
Why would you ban authorsAnyways 2 = silver spike > 1 > 3 > can't remember enough about the adventures in India
I have free time to read A game of thrones right now, but I just csnt shake the feeling ut wont be worth it. Ill just have to try harder later
Honestly this game of thrones chapter I was on was pretty interesting, but I finished shitting unusually fast today. Slid out clean as fuck. Could only get two pages in
>>25565029This isn't me stop larping!
>>25564522Given that they had a different translator for the second book and that was even worse, I suspect the problem is with the author.
>>25562905Most of Gurm's characters are just stereotypes with some twist (usually of the grimdark variety). Really, ASOIAF is not that big of a deal, just a big mishmash of older books and other stereotypes, it was simply discovered at the right time by people who didn't know what fantasy meant beyond LOTR maybe (and they even got that one wrong).
>>25565504new bread
not going to use that thread
someone PLEASE make a new thread while saying oops they didn't see the other one
>>25564267What are some examples of an adult fantasy series?I tried Red Rising, The Will of the Many, The Lies of Locke Lamora and The Name of the Wind, and I'd consider them all YA
