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I've been slowly going through Teito Moyu and it's absolutely delightful.

what do I read after MLA? Total Eclipse or The Day After first?

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>>23424730
rerorerorerorero

>>23424772
Total Eclipse, since The Day After will never ever be finished.
You could also go for the shorter stories in photonflowers and photonmelodies. photonmelodies has Altered Fable, which shows you the hi-jinks Takeru gets up to in the new reality post Alternative.

>>23419302
>you have been refuted, you just ignore the criticism
Dude, calling statements like "You don't understand, it's different!" "criticism" is somehow very far-fetched. I'm told here that the author portrays everyone as "bad guys", only the Soviets have an army of fighting serfs of national minorities, and the British have noble German knights. And not one of you, crappy "critics" has been able to clearly explain how this biased authorial crap correlates with some "impartiality" of Koki and Co. So fuck off.

>>23419797
>CODEX was after MLA.
Undoubtedly, but it is precisely this that is now referred to in disputes, and there is nonsense there. Unfortunately, as far as I know, there is no similar reference book on Alternative, unlike the same godforsaken TE, and you have to look for information in the game itself, which is quite troublesome.

>Ivan-kun is well versed in the japanese
The conversation was about Chinese and the translation was electronic - I posted this timeline somewhere in previous threads. I checked the information from RPG out of interest and for comparison, and since they also denigrate the USSR and the GDR, I don't see the point in even asking about the details.

>"heroic overcoming"? my ass
I guess ML fans are supposed to like hopeless battles for doomed warriors?

>>23424795
And now you're just ignoring all other critcism levied against you, despite having having been BTFO on this very point.

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>>23424730
Whassup, oji-jis

>>23424749
nice. I wish it was longer.

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>>23424813
>I guess ML fans are supposed to like hopeless battles for doomed warriors?

China "hoped" for a ez zerg rush... ,it is not a grave, its the future they choose.

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>>23424813
>I guess ML fans are supposed to like hopeless battles for doomed warriors?
On a meta level, that's the franchise in general. Muv Luv fans are in a hopeless battle to see anything but more gacha slop.

Speaking of, anyone else pre-registered for Girl's Garden?

next you're going to complain about russian tsfs for the 100th time despite none of it being valid
just fuck off retard

>>23424749
yui and michiru had to endure having mostly useless bitches as part of their group/unit, funnily enough both also had one bitch from their unit being in love with them, michiru even had a sexo night with the lezbo

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Kei's dad fucked up, bros...

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And Prime Minister Sakaki... is competent?

>>23426150
it's almost live ivan is a fucking retard

Checked through the archives and unfortunately all the TE novels and such are lost. Anyone secured them somewhere? I'd like to give translating a shot. I'm certain someone here has it, alongside all other novels of course. Linking them would be most appreciated. The epubs in particular.

>>23428623
The old Tech Gian stories might as well be lost media by this point. The Anime and the VN supplanted them, and as far as I can tell there's no examples of them online anywhere. They weren't even scanned the way Schwarzesmarken's LNs were.

I'm sure I at least had some raw scans of a couple of the Tech Gian chapters but they're on a PC in another country that I won't be able to get to for another 7 months.

>>23429040
Do you have the Schwarzesmarken LNs? I'm guessing it's impossible to find Total Eclipse and the main trilogy then.
Far as the TSF series are concerned, only the 5th and 6th interested me as they contain rather relevant backstories. I've got the SS from 3 & 4 already. Dunno anything regarding 1 & 2.
Anyway, going through the archives, seems there used to be an anon who'd trade all this around but all his mega links were shot dead. Also... someone has likely ripped the 'regenerative' magazines and they're up somewhere someplace.

>>23429877
>someone has likely ripped the 'regenerative' magazines and they're up somewhere someplace.
>httpsDELETETHIS://e-hentai.org/?f_search=muv+luv+regenerative

>>23429877
The main trilogy's LNs are all on E-Hentai. As is all of the Schwarzesmarken sidestories (seriously, why are all their backstories not in the VN proper, but relegated to LNs not everyone will have access to?) and even Owarinaki's LN for a surprising deep cut. But no Total Eclipse. It's funny there was no TDA LNs ever made.

>>23430203
>>23430461
Much thanks. Managed to find scans of Total Eclipse so it's alright there. Got some other stuff too, all which unfortunately are in pdf format, so I'll take sometime and convert them to clean epubs.
To summarize, just so we're all clear:

1. Schwarzesmarken novels = 11 volumes, one of which is an 'ultimate' edition
2. Total Eclipse = 7 volumes [ 1 extra supersized volume that's around 500 pages ]
3. TSF = 6 volumes, has some Schwarzesmarken side stories
4. Trilogy = 8 volumes [ 7 primary, 1 extra artbook with special stories ]
5. Regenerative = 5 volumes [ 1 extra, CODEX ]

All this for a total of 37 volumes.
That's enough to help out people starved for content.
Now, since it's all just LNs and artbooks, it's infinitely easier to handle than a VN. .. The only tedious part is converting the pdfs, scans et al into epubs before anything else. I can do the pdfs okay -don't know any 'quick' way to do it, but I can do it- though I'm not sure how to handle the scanned stuff.
FreHx1SH <- TE scans, in case anyone wants to give it a shot. It's a pixeldrain link. Just replace the last part with 'FreHx1SH '
If you know quick ways to get a clean epub out a pdf, that'll help too.
With all that said, I'll report back once I've got something to show.

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>>23430461
>It's funny there was no TDA LNs ever made.
fanfics ascended to canon. maybe the VNs are enuff...

>>23430656
cheers ,m8

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>>23431193
Luxin wrote a ton of fan doujins, all of which are on E-Hentai. I'd love to see those translated more than stuff that's got VN translations, Luxin's understanding of geopolitics does give him a leg up over Kouki, and he's got a wider view of the war, showing events in Italy and China for example.

>>23430656
I wish you good luck in your endeavors. ...And I hope you won't be disappointed in the process.

>>23431201
I read his "novels". It is immediately obvious that he is, as the Internet says, a Taiwanese who studied in the USA. By the way, it was very funny to see his "admiration" for the genius Sakaki Korechika in scenes from his graphomania about the events of 1998 - just like the Great Infallible Insightful Leader... (Who also managed to carry out an extremely dubious political manipulation from the point of view of the law and started a direct political conflict with the Shogunate, but for Luxin this is normal, because it is SAKAKI KORCHIKA)...

At the same time, the guy managed to screw everything up and lose his head - a "genius", damn it.

>>23425079
"Criticism" like calling me a "vatnik" or making jokes about the Gulags?.. What kind of crap.

>>23431951
>>23431957
Would you care to weigh in on this>>23426150

>>23425218
What about the story about "they valiantly withstood the onslaught of alien monsters and gave time for the evacuation of the population and the retreat of the rear forces before they were forced to abandon their positions..."?

>>23425224
Hope dies last. At least there's an official multiverse now.

>>23426144
And to hell with him. A high-ranking commander who ruins his troops and exposes allies for the sake of moralizing, which led to even greater casualties due to the failure of a combat operation, should never, under any circumstances, have been allowed to command.

>>23431959
Easy.

Starting from plutocratic collusion and division of budget funds, up to some agreements that turned out to be ephemeral.

I'll just remind you that the real result of Korechiki's rule in the Alternative is:

- half of Japan is destroyed by BETA
- the government is in conflict with the army and the guard
- tense relations with neighbors and difficult relations with the UN and the USA
- contempt for the common people, up to poisoning them with drugs so that they don't "rebel"
- bringing the industry to a state where the leading national project is given to a corporation and the "extremely unreliable USA" for revision
- overthrow of the government of the "brilliant and universally respected" Sakaki Korechiki and his head is somewhere there

Maybe at some point he made some successful political maneuvers, but in general this guy is ready to share with Genbu Kururgi the title of "the most crappy politician of the fictional Japan".

>>23431957
the reason you get called a vatnik and why the only person here who engages with you is the retard that talks like like it's the early 2000s is because you ignore so good job proving the point i guess
>>23431981
>source: my gaping asshole

>>23431967
arent the fathers of most of the girls just incompetent fucks?

>>23432880
??? The only one that fucked up is Ayamine

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>>23431967
Sure thing, Stalin.
Like, that battle was still winnable, right? in two more weeks, Korea can stand against the BATERs , sure.
Just send another human wave!

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I want a figure of Stella.

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>>23433299
I also need a figure of Beatrix and Matika.

>>23433418
best girl

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>>23433299
>>23433418
what about 3D printed figurines?

>>23433299
Go home GK

>>23434415
That’s only really sparsely related to muv luv, we really have little information on what the BETA verse was like before their attack on earth

>>23434612
We've got the absolute bullshit that's the Regenerative Magazine articles about Japan's wet dream version of WWII where they manage to flip sides, join the Allies and the Yamato ends up ay Normandy for D-Day.

>>23435358
Holy shit lol that’s amazing

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>>23435407
There's also Japanese super-spies that convince America to forgive Pearl Harbour and sign a favorable peace deal with Japan, The Nazis developing the Atom Bomb in 1944 forcing the Americans to accelerate their Atom Bomb program, and Himmer allying with Stalin after Germany is nuked to 'preserve National Socialism' and hand all Eastern Europe over to the Soviets so the Cold War can still happen.

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>>23435358
So, Japan go the Italy's style, huh? lol

>>23432321
That's what I'm talking about - there's nothing to say in response, so they start being rude. I wonder if you're hoping that I'll be offended by your childish tantrums or cliched nicknames?

>>23432929
Stalin was not a professional military man, unlike Ayamine ("whom everyone respected"), but he picked commanders who won the Great Patriotic War and gave the Japanese in Manchuria a beating.

In Korea, Ayamine, by disobeying orders, exposed UN troops to attack and caused the collapse of the front... And the refugees whom he supposedly protected still died later due to the actual lack of defense. Ayamine is an incredible level of moron.
........................................................

By the way, I'm wondering what questions and complaints you have about the plot or individual facts of ML that you would like to "correct"?

>>23435697
really? so if i go through your reddit post history right now im not going to see a bunch of repeated posts?
if i go back a couple months in the board archives im not going to see you coveniently ignoring people that disagreed with you, like on this topic here: >>23425291 ?
your head is far up your own ass with trolling or just straight retardation that you either genuinely believe no one remembers these arguments or you can't admit you were wrong, which under the assumption that you actually care and aren't in some sort of psychosis, happens quite frequently as you clam up pretty fucking quickly when you are. but considering your hate for the franchise you admitted to earlier (again, why the fuck are you here?) and continuing to spew the same garbage over and over again despite being embarrassed seems unlikely

>>23435431
>There's also Japanese super-spies that convince America to forgive Pearl Harbour and sign a favorable peace deal with Japan, The Nazis developing the Atom Bomb in 1944 forcing the Americans to accelerate their Atom Bomb program, and Himmer allying with Stalin after Germany is nuked to 'preserve National Socialism' and hand all Eastern Europe over to the Soviets so the Cold War can still happen.
Wew lad. If read it many times, but every time I read it again it just shocks me al over again how far the writing in this franchise has fallen. Hell, I wouldn't have pledged for the Kickstarter ten years ago if I knew how low this franchise would sink after 2016.

>>23424730
>>Muv-Luv Girl's Garden (new gatcha)
>https://muvluv-girls-garden.com
I too a brake from ML and return to see this.

So they took that one event from Strike Frontiers that was sort of a parody of Girlz und Panzer, where various TSF clubs and schools had teams of girls competing against eachother and turned it into a full game.
And it's going to have an SFW and 18+ version.
They stopped trying to be a serious company and returned to appealing to goomers?

>>23437069
The guys in suits REFUSE to give them any money for VN projects, it's gacha only from now to eternity

>>23437069
essentially, after the tactics kickstarter failed, Avex realized that Anchor is worthless as it currently is, so they're just turning it into an indie publishing house and handing out the muv luv IP to random companies for cashgrab projects. Girls Garden is done by well now R18 gacha company, it's like ordering a pachinko machine to be made.

like how much would it cost to buy the muv luv IP? im sure some oil baron could easily buy it right now without spending that much money

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>>23439529
about three fiddy.
Anyone that check the IP, it will be see as a sinkhole money in japan, and "un-marketeable" outside of the islands.
let it go, anons, let it die.

>>23439715
billionaires waste money on a lot useless shit that dont make any money, like you only need to take a look at city of the wolves, shit was being heavily shilled by the new arab owners and as far as I remember its been a turbo flop

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based

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>>23439744
Kouki sold Age, right? but he still retains the IP?
Otherwise, pure hopium

>>23439529
if there is an oil baron that is a fan of this IP there is a 75% chance he's hardcore enough of a fan to have gotten massively fucking triggered by all the recent years and now wants nothing to do with the IP

>>23424730
What does Muv Luv do better compared to other mecha with similar worldbuilding?

>>23440744
It makes me personally invested in verybody

>>23441995
everybody *

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>>23440744
stories seen and told by the protagonist.
>Extra shows the dramas every girl had in their life.
>Unlimited shows something similar, but in a destroyed Japan.
>Alternative is the true rollercoaster, an attempt to change destiny, and to get his requiem. but with a predictable ending.
Not perfect, just gud enough.
All of them changes something in Takeru.

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This machine kills Hisako Kanemoto

* I know that's not completely accurate, but I'm trying to do a funneh Woody Guthrie joke. And trying to say "This machine leads Hisako Kanemoto to her grisly demise so the aliens can kill her" doesn't have the same catchy ring to it.

>>23436315
>so if i go through your reddit post history right now im not going to see a bunch of repeated posts?
Go ahead. I find mistakes and write about them and my attitude towards them, as well as argue with those who disagree with them. And I don't really care if it's 4chan or reddit.

>im not going to see you coveniently ignoring people that disagreed with you
If my opponents have some arguments, then I argue with them, but if their "argument" is only in curses, then of course I am not obliged to answer them. According to your link, there are no arguments, only a demand to leave. So why answer?

>or you can't admit you were wrong
You see, what's the problem, Anonchik, none of you have shown that I'm wrong, you just scream in the spirit of "You don't understand, this is Different!" If you think that I'm wrong, you just have to somehow prove that, for example, Kouki and Co. are not pouring dirt and slop on the Soviet Union, denigrating it in comparison with other countries... Good luck with that.

>again, why the fuck are you here?
I have some free time -> go to /m/ -> see Muv-Luv's crazy nonsense about Red Russia -> object and an argument begins. Tue and that's it.

If /m/ had other franchise branches with an "anti-Russian" narrative, I would be a regular there too.

>>23440744
I believe that the reasons are in the presence of a translation from Japanese - ML, as far as I know, had albeit incomplete and scanty translations for a long time, and now there is an official localization.

Some Gunparade March has never been translated from Japanese.

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I just finished building my first ever model kit! It took me 20 hours and it's covered in nub marks and badly sanded parts but at least I did it
But god the posing on this kit is absolute dogshit. It keeps falling apart and putting weapons in the hands is horrible. The joints are also not strong enough to support the full equipment weight.
Still a great kit because it's Muv-Luv

>>23446059
It does look pretty sexy

>>23445914
Oh ok so when I look at your Reddit history and the first post I see is the exact same shit about Sakaki where your claim is completely unsourced it's "none of you have show that I'm wrong," despite the lack of evidence being an instant disqualifier for any argument.
Funny how you also didn't even deny still believing the Soviet TSF garbage but okay I guess "none of you have shown I'm wrong."

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>>23445918
>some
nah. only the anime got dubs, nothing else. shame.

>>23446414
Dude, Sakaki should have handed over power to the Shogun, according to the lore and political structure of Japan in ML, even the CODE claims that the Shogun's power was RESTORED after Sagiri's rebellion.

So Sakaki is a fucking usurper, and he also screwed up the organization of Japan's defense and the evacuation of the population in 1998, and also provoked the military to support the rebellion of Sagiri and Co. with his stupid policy.

So, where am I wrong that Sakaki is an asshole?

>>23446999
I'm talking about games. As far as I know, the original Gunparade game has no translation.

The first season of the anime Gunparade was pretty good, but it suffers from a number of problems as an anime advertisement for a game with a small number of episodes - a sharp build-up of drama towards the end and a worthless ending.

By the way, the picture is "funny":
- Soviet TSF which was made thanks to stolen US technologies
- which could not win the competition with (never existed in reality) Japanese super-prototype
- also works effectively only with the help of esper technology for which it is necessary to conduct forced vivisection with amputations of limbs
- it still glitched during the final battle
Slop and dirt on bloody and dark Russia - everything as it should be in ML.

>>23436941
>and Himmer allying with Stalin after Germany is nuked to 'preserve National Socialism' and hand all Eastern Europe over to the Soviets
Specifically about this moment - absolute nonsense and implausible stupidity.

I will just remind you that "national socialism" which is "Nazism" proclaimed Slavs as subhumans and communists as enemies. During the invasion of the USSR, the Germans quite officially carried out a policy of "war crimes" against Russian non-combatants.

So under no conditions and no circumstances would the Germans in occupied Eastern Europe bow to the "red Untermenschen" to conclude peace.

Just as there is no sense for the Russians to negotiate anything with those who destroyed and ruined a significant part of the Soviet Union and to preserve their regime in any form.

In addition, under the conditions prescribed in the alternative history of Regenerative - the end of Lend-Lease and the unfriendly attitude of the allies towards Moscow - the Russians will need the lands and resources of Eastern Europe. So this territory will sooner become socialist than any other.

In general, everything is against this passage - politics, war, economics and history.

>>23449107
Except you know the real life parts of it like when the USSR and the Nazis split eastern europe between each other. Maybe next time don't get your history from a youtube video.

>>23449103
>Restored = good
Not what that means, retard.
>screwed up the organization of Japan's defense and the evacuation of the population in 1998, and also provoked the military to support the rebellion of Sagiri and Co. with his stupid policy.
Thing that never happened + unnamed policy.

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>>23449350
I don't want to play anymore...

New player here. Almost finished with Unlimited, and I wanted to share some of my thoughts.
Extra took some time to get through because it was pure SOL and I wasn't really pacing myself, so I would get burnt out and drop the game for a couple months. Unlimited did a much better job at mixing those SOL stories with an actual plot.
Still, I am glad I played through all of Extra and got to know these characters before jumping into Unlimited & Alternative. I think it also helps you empathize with Takeru's homesickness.
Oh and one thing Extra has over Unlimited is variation in the routes. It's cool that Unlimited has a single plotline that makes use of all the heroines, but that makes replaying it for all the different endings very predictable. Watching all the girls struggle with game-boy addiction gets old after the first or second time.

>>23449350
>>23449473
Good. Now you can read my fanfic where their souls are isekaied to a brighter setting where they can redeem themselves and become national heroines in their own right, except the fanfic is unreadable because I watched the fifth Pirates of the Caribbean movie for the first time a couple weeks ago, and I became absolutely obsessed with a character from that movie, and now a critical plot moment in the isekai fanfic is buried under a bunch of dumb quotes from that movie.

>>23449350
this bitch was annoying as fuck, yui shouldve only teammed up with the lezbo and >>23449473

>>23450140
Good job on sticking with and enjoying Extra, alot of people just assume the SoL is filler nonsense to get to the mecha. Some nice thoughts on Takerus feelings in Unlimited too. Hope you enjoy the rest of it, and get ready for Alternative.

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>>23449158
Anon what happened on the 22 of June 1941 might surpirse you

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>>23449103
> stolen US technologies
the lack of USSR R&D is more worrying than muh industrial espionage.
But, after the relocation to Alaska, only USA still have its industrial machinery intact.
>- which could not win the competition with Japanese super-prototype
the "soviet proposal" was useful for the IJA because the US govt and MIC could be persuaded for a better deal. its just Bu$$ine$$

> it still glitched during the final battle
What works flawlessly, IRL or BETAverse?

>>23449103
>>23449299
I didn't even read the rest of the post so I didn't see you sneak in repeat argument number 2 and 3!
This Reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MuvLuv/comments/1hbdjr4/semiofficial_concept_of_tsf_stealth_project/
This other Reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MuvLuv/comments/1d0vdqc/development_inversion/
This /m/ thread:
https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/22645482/
Careful when replying to >>23449299, you might just stumble into repeat argument 4! But I guess to you no one actually showed you were wrong, so maybe it's a little hard to see? :(

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I just want an 3D Action-RPG MMO with AI NPCs and /m/en, fighting battles to reclaim Earth, saving waifus and maybe some alternate timelines too

>>23424730
I've never read total eclipse, is it kino? i only watched the anime eons ago and it felt completely off

>>23452322
read and find out
ending sucks is the general consensus

Just read alternative again. The state of this franchise makes me so fucking sad to the point of tearing up. At least give us integrate in LN format.

>>23451097
>alot of people just assume the SoL is filler nonsense to get to the mecha.
I think it's because for those who are using a guide, you are told that you should only play 2 routes at most ( meiya and sumika iirc ) and then jump straight to unlimited, yeah the guide recommends you to come back and play the rest of the extra routes but I assume most people dont and to be fair I dont think they were that good but yeah if you dont play them you wont fully understand why a lot of shit is related to the girls

>>23452555
I want to reread the trilogy but I dont when will that happen

>>23452709
I only needed a guide after the first attempt lead to the kidnapped on a boat ending, and when I realized the routes were basically decided by literally just picking the option for the girl route you want to be on, it was easy to deduce the rest of it, outside of the presents choices.

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>>23452555
Or watch The Cockpit OVAs, specially the second episode.
its Muv-Luv in a nutshell

>>23452322
I liked it. It does feel episodic in the sense that it moves from one set-piece to another, but that gives the story some variety.
>>23452388
I reject this consensus.

>>23452772
A fellow Kaiserbeamz subscriber?

>>23439529
>>23439715
>>23440213
We need that weeaboo arab prince to buy the ip

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>>23453096
and then, whats next?

>>23453038
Nah. that was just coincidence. Didn't know the existence of that channel until you mentioned it.

Is Strange Journey the best Muv Luv game?

>>23453987
yuuko time machine to un-retard kouki as a writer

>>23454085
Strange Journey is FGO game.

>>23453096
If I was obscenely rich I'd buy Muv-Luv to finance:
- The production of new VNs
- New model kits
- Use all that I have left to get From Software to make an Armored Core spin-off in the Muv-Luv universe.

>>23456144
That last one is something I think about on long runs

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Beatrix and Iris may be dead, but at least these two made it out.

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>>23456290
Annette is alright. Great even. But the communist deserves the rope.

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>>23440744
Muv-Luv's setting is not worth writing home about, but I never praise any franchise or book for it's "worldbuilding".

What Muv-Luv did well was the technical presentation of the visuals, having loads and loads of background CGs, moving characters around in the background during conversations like Mikoto moving around the tables talking in the base Cafeteria while Takeru talks to other girls. The mechs being broken up into multiple moving parts (only particularly noticeable during the opening scene with the frontal shot of the mech approaching the brains, and then when the mechs are jumping around during the shogun chase sequence). The other thing it does well is having full Japanese voice acting, and a soundtrack with an overall high than average hit rate. And then story wise, the highlight is the shogun chase sequence as the writer(s) successfully managed to ratchet up the tension there in, and the base attack near the end. Otherwise, the VN is overly long and boring.

>>23457284
your post is long and boring

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>>23457284
Hello fellow zoomer! Rare seeing someone so young reading Muv-Luv

he's correct about the presentation but i know this is the only vn that most people who come here have read

>>23457856
NTA, but how would you formulate it better? How would an ''old-faggot'' define Muv-Luv's superiority over other mecha?

>>23458243
One word.
Suffering.
You either get it, or you don't.
If you don't get it now, you will later.

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>>23458278
Yui can explain it very succintly

>>23458320
I can't seem to describe this feeling. What do you call that specific sweet feeling almost like an erection when seeing someone you despise suffer. Like relief, but more personal. Like impaling a long resented foe with a blade, but someone else does it for you and you just want to be there with them to do it. To be that hand that does the final deed. Ecstatic to the core, but even further.

>>23458394
>when seeing someone you despise suffer
Schadenfreude

>>23458417
Or just sadism.

>>23458012
yeah i don't think that's why anyone disliked the post

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>>23458278
NTA, but i would use another word:
Odyssey.

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>>23458421
are we still talking about mub rub?

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>>23458590
>Odyssey
Checks out

>>23458590
No this>>23458394 anon's mind that is filled with ecstacy when met with the characters' suffering in Muv-Luv. He's just looking for the right words for the feelings he noticed within himself.

>>23449158
You misspelled "Munich Agreement" and "Occupation of Czechoslovakia (1938–1945)", Westerner. By the way, the allies never declared war on the USSR after Poland's latest demise, so they apparently didn't consider it an aggressor. The decision of the leaders of England and France is against your anonymous opinion. You can go to hell.
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>>23449299
>Not what that means, retard.
What is this supposed to mean, asshole? Yuuhi has gained full power and everything is starting to get better in Japan, so everything is very good.

>Thing that never happened + unnamed policy.
So, a crowd of military men just appeared out of nowhere and supported Sagiri just because? And the Guard didn't even think about interfering with them for some reason? If you can't say something smart, then back off.
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>>23451622
>the lack of USSR R&D is more worrying than muh industrial espionage.
The problem is that only the Soviet Union is accused of "stealing" technology, while Europe, which lost its territories, apparently developed the Rafale with the Eurofighters and Grippens on its own? And no, of course all the speculation about secret cooperation between the Europeans and the Japanese is just groundless rumors. WTF?

>the "soviet proposal" was useful for the IJA because
No, I'm talking about the Berkut competition itself with Phase 3 - it was cringe.

>What works flawlessly, IRL or BETAverse?
If this wasn't a plot device to make Bridges shine on the battlefield, but just a malfunction... It all came out too timely and too unnatural.
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>>23451797
>no one actually showed you were wrong,
You are a surprisingly smart piece of shit. You never provided any refutations or reasoned objections to my opinion, you just threw in links that also don't have any fucking "refutation". Try harder, bastard.

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>>23458593
kek

>>23458882
>The problem is that only the Soviet Union is accused of "stealing" technology
the wording make wonders to propaganda.
if it is "our allies" (Western world) then its called "R&D for freedom".
if it is "OUR comrades", then "its monke crap at trial and error".

>while Europe, which lost its territories, apparently developed the Rafale with the Eurofighters and Grippens on its own?
every TSF was developed from its predecesors.
Project Prominence played a big role on most of the 2.5 and 3rd gen TSFs.

>No, I'm talking about the Berkut competition itself with Phase 3 - it was cringe.
what were you think I was thinking?

>And the Guard didn't even think about interfering with them for some reason?
>the IRG let it happen, to purge the ranks from fanatics, traitors and enemies
Insane shit, if you ask me...

>>23458882
How the fuck did you learn English? You're too retarded to look shit up???
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/restore
Since you need to be spoonfed like a toddler. I would fucking hope things start to get better after an invasion and the BETA being dealt with, yes, thank you for the worthless observation on post-coup politics.
>So, a crowd of military men just appeared out of nowhere and supported Sagiri just because?
No. Now since I kindly answered your useless question, answer mine and name the policy.
>And the Guard didn't even think about interfering with them for some reason?
They did.
>If you can't say something smart, then back off.
You're an ESL subhuman who can't even look up the definition of a word.
>The problem is that only the Soviet Union is accused of "stealing" technology, while Europe, which lost its territories, apparently developed the Rafale with the Eurofighters and Grippens on its own?
No, they bought F-5s and F-15s just like Japan bought F-4s and F-15s and just like how the Soviets bought F-4s and scavenged F-15s. They learned from Project Prominence just as the Soviets did and Japan stole American secrets with the expertise of the American TSF industry just as the Soviets did. Soviets had more issues because they lost. Get over it. Repeat argument number 4, by the way. Source: any thread from roughly this time last year, any of the posts I've already linked.
>You never provided any refutations or reasoned objections to my opinion
No, actually, part of the argument was that you're a piece of shit that will ignore any criticism because you have delusions about the USSR, a point you're actively proving with your response.
>You never provided any refutations or reasoned objections to my opinion
I did, in fact I'm in those threads. It's really fucking easy for me to just copy and paste shit. I don't have to try harder at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXU28GhgLWU

girls garden preview featuring Mafia being deeply confused at what happened to the muv luv he knows

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>>23460223
Even Nakamura was all "I was prepared for stuff to get violent since it's Muv-Luv, this isn't what I had in mind" kek. Kajita's visible confusion as he tries to shill positively is the best though.

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>>23460223
>>23460226
>>23460242
>>23460343

>the things you knew does not exist anymore

>>23458320
Call me crazy, but that desperate face is really really good. I wish there is more.

I just finished altered fable and I think it wouldve been waaaaaaaaay better if they had removed the whole 24 shit, also the mini routes were just that, too short, the minigames were ok but for a fanservice novel I think they wasted time, resources, etc with the 24 nonsense

oh yeah with that I finally read all the muvluv VNs that are translated, I think there are still 2 short stories left but I dont know if those will ever get tld

>>23460223
It's over, it's truly over now

>>23460223
Theme song MV of muv luv girls garden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUu5s4xTfhg

>>23459313
>the wording make wonders to propaganda.
Yeah, but then all the fans' claims that Kouki and Co. draw everyone "equally badly" become verbal garbage, since they do not correspond to reality.

>Project Prominence played a big role on most of the 2.5 and 3rd gen TSFs.
But Eurofighter and Rafale have nothing to do with the Prominence project...Can I get a link to your source?

>nsane shit, if you ask me..
An interesting theory, but as far as I know, there is no direct evidence of this. On the other hand, there are clear indications of a political conflict between Sakaki and the Shogun, who leads the Guard. By the way, after Yuuhi regained her power, she really "reorganized" the political field in Japan.

>>23459921
>How the fuck did you learn English?
"English can eat shit!", you know.

>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/restore
And? Like, that's not the right word? And how does that change the fact that Korechika didn't hand over power to the Shogun like he was supposed to and even continued to limit Yuuhi's powers? Lady Shogun Kobuin regained all her powers and competencies and began to rule the country after Sakaki screwed up and died. Japan only benefited from this.

>No.
Does this mean you're arguing for the sake of arguing or that you have no arguments? My opinion is known: Sakaki is a usurper who managed to ruin relations with all the leading forces in the country and died without support. In addition, apparently, he was betrayed by the Yankees, whom he worshiped, twice - what a moron.

>They did.
The capital's garrison? No. Tatsumiya's unit? Just one machine? Well, well.

>No, they bought F-5s and F-15s just like Japan bought F-4s and F-15s and just like how the Soviets bought F-4s and scavenged F-15s.
So it won't be difficult for you to cite official sources that the Europeans and Japanese developed their TSFs using technology stolen from the US, right?

>Repeat argument number 4
This should prove that I still hold my opinion? What next?

>...ignore any criticism because you have delusions about the USSR...
Well, dispel my misconceptions. Prove that the USSR is not denigrated and slandered in the ML. Good luck with that.

>>23459921
>It's really fucking easy for me to just copy and paste shit.
So you are hurt and offended that there is a different and critical opinion about Ml, but you have no arguments against it, so you just squeal and curse? What a pathetic good-for-nothing...

>>23462456
holy shit you are genuinely retarded to the point of not understanding the language you are speaking in
not one word of that definition implies any value on either state
thank you for showing me that retardation transcends even the psychosis induced alternate dimension you come from

>>23462647
They think that returning to autocratic rule and destroying Japanese Democracy is the superior solution. Returning power to the Shogun simply means Japan becoming no different to an African Big Man dictatorship. But then, that's how their country is also ruled, isn't it?

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>>23463279
>They think that returning to autocratic rule and destroying Japanese Democracy is the superior solution.
>They
Pic related

>Returning power to the Shogun simply means Japan becoming no different to an African Big Man dictatorship. But then, that's how their country is also ruled, isn't it?
Its a constitutional monarchy, like the UK. Tsukoyomi explained to Takeru about that.

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Muv luv girls garden starting at 3.9

>>23471147
Okay but new VN doko

>>23471224
Not happening. Tactics will eventually release and bomb just like Mikhail did.

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>>23471229
how chances are Tactics be a sleeper hit?
how bad they can mess up?

Helldivers 2 is adding hive invasions in their next big update. I can finally LARP as an orbital diver during Operation Ouka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJi8VsvnkoE

>>23433418
I can defeat Beatrix.

>>23460226
>>23460242
kek

>>23471147
These girls look very sterile.

>>23460223
I thought this was supposed to be r18 game?

>>23460223
The only way this can be good is if this pulls out rug under us.

>>23473901
dmm gacha games always have 2 versions, and one has all the porn cut out. You can only play the adult one on their website.

>>23460223
So, its a mix of RPG/VN/other stuff... like a Final Fantasy...

When I read Unlimited and Alternative, I got the impression that TSFs moved around with boosted jumps, so when I watched the animated depictions, I was surprised to see TSFs flying and hovering like mobile suits from Gundam. Did anyone else experience this?

>>23477033
It's not always shown but they did mention in the VNs that they can actually fly. It's just dangerous to cruise at altitude in combat, and a waste of fuel to hover when standing will do, so it's only done for rapid (re)deployment and most combat movement is boost jumps and extreme low movement (similar to a Dom). I think total eclipse definitely depicts a bit more flying than the vn suggested they should be doing though, but I guess it's a rear base.

https://old.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/1n21ttd/kimi_ga_nozomu_eien_is_getting_a_r18_release/

lol.

>>23477837
But isn't that a good thing?

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Which one of you did this?

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>>23477078
yeah the reason they dont fly at least not that high is because they are at risk of getting laser'd, TE didnt have to deal with that because most of the story happens in a place where laserfags arent around

>>23450140
>>23451097
Finished Unlimited and am about 10 hours into Alternative. Skipping Extra would have been a terrible idea. Takeru having vague memories of his original world at first and then getting hit by nostalgia the more he dreams and remembers it really matches how my memory of Extra was fading as I got more engaged in the new setting. I read it recently enough that I don't think nostalgia is the word for seeing those scenes replay, but I have a fondness for them that does the job of putting me in Takeru's shoes.
I read that Unlimited's inclusion in the first game was kept secret, and with that in mind I can definitely forgive how much of it is just setup. I am curious if any of the spin-offs I'll play after Alternative have a brand new MC and the heroines are Takeru's five alternate timeline daughters.

So far, Alternative has done a good job mixing up the repeating events from Unlimited and bringing in more of the political intrigue we only got glimpses of earlier. I also enjoy how much Takeru has changed (it's definitely still him though) and the existential moments where he compares himself to who he used to be. He's really a man of two worlds now.

>>23481065
>man of two worlds
Yep, very well put. Enjoy how that idea of him will change as you go through the story more.

>>23462647
Is it over?

>>23473981
So, porn will be CG images or Live 2D animated?

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A decade ago now, back in 2012 when there was still hope for the franchise, someone made this rip of Owarinaki's OST. To whoever they are if by some miracle they're still around, I owe my most sincere gratitude.

https://www.mediafire.com/?k9i3f5fkzlyv8oa

Also, why were they calling it just 'Warinaki' without the O back then?

>>23477033
There is one funny blunder of the authors connected with the flight of the TSF - in one of the additional materials on the ML, an attempt by Sufoni to sell the Germans his Su-11 from the 1st generation of the TSF, whose key feature was the ability to fully fly, was presented, HOWEVER, in Schwarzesmarken it was clearly shown that ALL TSFs of the 1st generation could fly.
>https://muvluv.fandom.com/wiki/Dirty_smile
As a result, this whole scene turns out to be meaningless, but it humiliates the Soviet Union through the eyes of the Germans... ugh.

>>23483969
Retarded repeat post number 5
https://www.reddit.com/r/MuvLuv/comments/1k6y5l8/another_oddity_with_ml_inconsistency/

are beatrix and stella related?

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>>23487657
No.

>>23483969
>>23477033
The Codex remarks on the limitations of rockets and jets. but no main design seems to mitigate those limitations.

>>23488000
In theory. In practice, there is a text about "muh, our 1st generation TSF can fly!", but at the same time there is Schwarzesmarken in which "muh, all 1st generation TSFs fly!".

The authors of ML cannot even agree on the internal sequence of development and features of TSF, which results in crap.

>>23489001
There is nothing contradictory about a Sufoni HR rep doing a salespitch to an aircraft engineer on classified machines
but we already know you can't read so good job I guess
>>23484237

>>23489227
>Sufoni HR rep doing a salespitch to an aircraft engineer on classified machines
It looks like you need to learn to read, moron. There are no "secret machines" there, there is an attempt to sell "the first flying TSF", despite the fact that ALL TSFs at that time could fly.

And this is contradictory nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBaJVQPoD1A
Japan gacha guy back to ranting about muv luv

>>23487670
I wish we can romance beatrix

>>23487670
rather silly to give them the same last name

>>23489269
sorry retard but its not contradictory for a company recruiter to make a somewhat implied white lie that wasnt even explicitly stated in the article you linked, all that's said is
>As you can see, if you are not worried about fuel consumption, it becomes possible for a TSF to fly!
which is not the same as claiming the first flying TSF but, again, you don't even know what "restore" means so it's entirely unsurprising that you would take it to mean that and you will likely insist as much despite being ESL

>>23489854
>As you can see, if you are not worried about fuel consumption, it becomes possible for a TSF to fly!
>which is not the same as claiming the first flying TSF

This implies that other TSFs cannot fly, unlike the Su-11. But Schwarzesmarken clearly shows that all TSFs can fly, without even bothering too much with fuel consumption.

I repeat, this is some kind of inconsistent crap.

>its not contradictory for a company recruiter to make a somewhat implied white lie
The problem is that by the time the Su-11 was "advertised", the F-4 and MiG-21 were already in service, as was the F-5, and they were quite capable of flying. Therefore, promoting the Su-11 as a "flying TSF" makes no sense, since everyone knows that this is not an advantage.

>>23492183
Honestly side media like this is often inconsistent, and muvluv core works have had multiple authors anyways without always the highest quality standards. My take is that the author's intent was to be showing the germans introduced as conventional airplane engineers that "even a TSF can fly", not that only the Su-11 was capable of flying. There were a few lines about how it was just brute forcing it and how the engineer in them did not like that approach.

>>23492183
no the fuck it does not imply that you drooling troglodyte

things like ammunition and fuel are only relevant if the author wants them to get stuck somewhere

>>23492752
these are recurring set pieces outside of the context you describe in every single game so your accusation falls a little flat

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>>23489754
Not quite the same last name.

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are these people a reference to something?
the guy really looks like Kai Shiden but i'm lost with the woman

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>>23492444
this. Also
>checked

>>23492752
Yeah, stuck with some carbon sticks with some edges to pinch the razing bugs, RMAO.
And it almost works!

>>23489286
any interesting info?
>check date
oh, so today it started... i hope this time it will last longer than Dimensions

>>23492444
>>23494482
why the fuck do you niggers give any fucking inch to this guy or this braindead interpreation of a completely innocuous line, if it's wrong it's wrong don't concece random shit

>>23494525
What the fuck else is there? This general's as much a zombie as the franchise. Arguing with the Vatnik at least gives people something to do.

>>23494548
sorry you're right i forgot coming off too strong scares him
god forbid there's some sanity here

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>>23494574
Sanity's out the window now. Girl's Game has released.

>>23494581
How do I play the DMM version as a westoid?

>>23494781
Just make the DMM account?

>>23494581
Speaking of which.
My ID for the friend list. U42vkM47gKL
Mind you, I'm a filthy f2p. So I won't be very useful outside of some daily mission or just friend point farming.

>>23494482
>any interesting info?
apparently EXP is heavily tied to daily resets and the story actually gets difficult quickly so the youtuber is concerned people will jump off before the story has any chance to actually get interesting (which he judges to be the only chance this game has, since the gameplay is just full afk boredom)

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H-scenes rips in progress dumped in /h/, it's just blue archive with porn.
>no sex with fortified suit

>>23495031
fortified suits don't even exist, as usual.
I don't know why they keep pulling this shit every time, it's like Evangelion without plugsuits.

>>23495031
>H-scenes rips in progress dumped in /h/, it's just blue archive with porn.
So, H-Scenes are just dreams, or are they canon?

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>>23494991
Only Tactics is left with hope, then.
>>23495031
>no sex with fortified suit
o wari da.

content when...
I'm so starved of ML content I actually read some 500k word fanfic of some guy that really likes Marimo

>>23495321
bro? your gacha game that launched today?

>>23495031
didn't find it.