https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqbypEMcVA>Power Rangers are now in FortniteIs this the last hurrah of PR before it disappears into the ether due Hasbro being terrible businessmen?anyway Kamen Rider when, he literally drives a bike
>>23427350There is supposed to be a new tv show on the works by Disney, actually, for some reason.https://www.thewrap.com/live-action-power-rangers-hasbro-disney/
>>23427350>Kamen RiderThe Fortnite people would have to approach Toei for their approval to allow Kamen Rider into Fortnite.
>>23427357Yeah but that will either go one of two ways.1. Disney balks in the end because without Sentai footage to let them cheap out on filming it's prohibitively expensive to make the show and they hem and haw until it's too late and the thing gets pulled. Which is exactly what happened to the last reboot.2. They make one season and it either bombs or just does ok (because PR in the present day is at best a mid tier franchise) and Disney considers it a bomb because it didn't get a billion Disney Plus subscribers to join up and cancels it after the one season. And then PR dies out because they are officially out of people that would want to distribute it and Hasbro nuked their own production companies so they can't do it themselves.
>>23427422The latter will occur and on top of that, it will be an unambitious MMPR reboot. Why don't they adapt the new series? King Ohger got lots of Westerners into Sentai. I'm sure that if they kept the same storyline and had better FX, PR would see a renaissance.
>>23427456The West is notoriously filled with genwunners, especially compared to Japan where a cast being swapped out is an extremely common approach to franchise development.All the attempts to maintain Power Rangers momentum in the West have been marketing the first team from decades ago, and choosing to simply ignore the issues of doing that.I heard that King Ohger didn't do that well among the actual child audience because they found it hard to follow, though.
>>23427487If they choose to adapt King-Ohger they might make more toys, that's what they tried to with Beast Morphers since Go-Busters' toyline is simple.>>23427456You want them to adapt King-Ohger because King-Ohger has a fantastic story but chances are they either adapt 1:1 and butcher it like they did with Samurai, or make an original story which doesn't live up to the original. Hate to say it, it's a lose-lose scenario and pretty much why PR adaptations are pointless nowadays it's better to just export Sentai.I know people will point out Time Force (and I guess arguably In Space?) for accurate adaptations, but it's a one in a million chance.
>>23427531I'd actually prefer Boonboomger be adapted, but King-Ohger has a better chance of success.>it's better to just export SentaiThey can forget about having a Western child audience, then. And we can forget about having toys in the West outside HLJ and the occasional SHF at a hobby shop, as well as the good Western-exclusive toys like the mini Zords and Zordbuilder. I like mix and match robots, sue me.
>>23427531>it's better to just export Sentai.the thing is, as much as Hasbro is sitting on the corpse of PR, they wont let a 'rival' IP enter their territory
>>23427554At this point they might as well go full weeb and shoot for that crowd. Power Rangers will never be what it was in the 90s. That kind of universal pop culture is dead because it's not just filtered through the few tv networks there's now a million niches and very few mainstream things. It might not make as much money as Power Rangers in it's prime but they're never getting that kind of success again.>>23427580It's technically the same IP, they get paid no matter what. Given how Hasbro just wants to have other people do the work for them and take their license cut rather than fund or work anything themselves, that might be the best option for them. Let Japan shoot the show and make the toys, bring it over with minimal effort, get their cut.
>>23427350>Kamen RiderThat depend entirely on how well Zeztz perform
>>23428192>At this point they might as well go full weeb and shoot for that crowd. Power Rangers will never be what it was in the 90s. That kind of universal pop culture is dead because it's not just filtered through the few tv networks there's now a million niches and very few mainstream things. It might not make as much money as Power Rangers in it's prime but they're never getting that kind of success again.PR is also too mismanaged to ever grow into something new. The way they did it back then and the West's genwunnerism, plus the damage already done, its never really gonna get that popularity back. When Saban got it back they simultaneously sought to chase nostalgia but decided their audience was 5 years old and got neither.Now all it has is bad comics that like everything else, just chases MMPR nostalgia because thats all the people who still pay attention to PR care about. >It's technically the same IP, they get paid no matter what. Given how Hasbro just wants to have other people do the work for them and take their license cut rather than fund or work anything themselves, that might be the best option for them. Let Japan shoot the show and make the toys, bring it over with minimal effort, get their cut.Not that simple. Saban really pissed in the eye of Toei when they sold the PR rights to Hasbro, since Toei's main partner with Sentai is Bandai.
>>23427422The problem is irony poisoning. Sentai and Rider have always been fully aware of the fact that they are indeed spandex bugmen karate kicking rubber monsters. Every Power Rangers comic and even the movie they made are ashamed of that. They become ~GRIMDARK~. THIS ISN'T YOUR DADDY'S POWER RANGERS! And then they're shocked when it flops because Grimdark Power Rangers is just the DC Expanded Universe. The other half of it is just tell the story you want to tell. Stop checking off diversity boxes to get World Firsts like it's some kind of World of Warcraft achievo. "First female red!" "First gay green!"That's great. How good is your story? Oh, it's dogshit because you spent two episodes of a 13 episode series preaching instead of telling a coherent story?> just bring Sentai overJapan is notoriously nervous about dubs because martial art dubs and Japanese movies were historically of low quality/mockedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0dBNJnBd7A
>>23428291Toei has more to lose than to gain by not working with Hasbro. People are harping about Toei getting booty blasted over that Hasbro dude. Money trumps all. >>23428603Everything from the Orient was mocked back then. Nobody took dubs seriously because of the lips not matching what was said. Sentai will never make it in the US. Subs are impossible because no kid wants to waste time reading and live action dubbing is awkward. They should just get over themselves and help bring in sentai for PR. They could use all the money since they've slipped from #2 economy in the world to #5 (India even beats them) in just 25 years this new millennium.
>>23427531I also think people tend to overstate how 1:1 Time Force is to Timeranger. I guess on the Ranger side it is pretty close, but on the villain end, Ransik, Nadira and Frax had very different motives and character arcs compared to Dolnero, Lila and Gien, and the villains are basically what made Time Force memorable anyway.
>>23430228>They should just get over themselves and help bring in sentai for PRWhat’s that supposed to mean? PR is going the way of robotech
>>23428603> "First female red!" This is such a deathflag for any toku-esque project. I'm not even against in principle it's just such an obvious sign of fucked priorities that it reeks of virtue signaling over actual storytelling.
>>23430303PR is more popular than sentai is outside of Japan. Toei used to be accommodating when they rode high on the gravy train from all the dosh PR used to make them. Robotech is a completely different beast I agree. Robotech wishes it had about 3 decades worth of continuing seasons instead of compiling 3 anime into 1.
I doubt Toei would refuse Hasbro if they actually reached out for footage for new Power Rangers seasons. It's Hasbro that just wants to milk MMPR for the time being.
>>23430310I was actually thinking what you meant was that they should adapt sentai seasons as PR installments like they used to, turn out I hit the nail right. And there’s cases where the Japanese agree that some stories were told better than the original sentai counterparts
>>23430317Yah. Sentai is on life support as it is since japs aren't producing enough keeps and keep declining in numbers. So better to just let sentai become PR.
>>23430310>>23430316"PR" is really only "MMPR". The majority of the money PR's ever made was during the MMPR craze and that only lasted for a few years. Everything else only generated pocket change. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises#cite_note-PowerLicense-368From a corporate standpoint, Hasbro is absolutely correct on banking on the iteration of the IP that actually made money. Everyone recognizes the Dragonranger suit as THE Green Ranger, even people who weren't born when Green with Evil aired,, nobody thinks of Samurai or RPM Green as more than "a" Power Ranger suit.
>>23428291Why won't Hasbro and Bandai work together again? Hasbro makes Gobots Transformers, so the relationship can't be that bad.
>>23430330Delusional.
>>23430335jap autism. The balls in their corner. >>23430334This is true, but PR was still a major money-maker and gamechanger in kid entertainment in the mid-to-late 90sThey just need to focus on making quality stories and characters again.
>>23430335I guess it’s kinda different in regards with PR being based on an already existing property while transformers was a collaborative effort that hasbro started…which also was adapted through multiple lines of toys
>>23430341>They just need to focus on making quality stories and characters again.They're fuck then since they can't.
>>23430346PR has contributed greatly to sentai. There wouldn't even be sentai without US input. Sentai in Gorenger and J.A.K.Q. failed. It became Super Sentai via Battle Fever J by adapting Marvel superheroes as well as the Toei Spider-Man. Sentai was declining in ratings in Japan as well as toy sales. PR gave them fresh injections of cash to finance more projects.
>>23430335Guess who's Hasbro partner in Japan is
>>23430341In the west PR was displaced by anime, which had the same things Americans found appealing about PR but was better suited for them. Audiences liked the over the top, colorful action and character designs, which anime delivers in a format (animation) better suited for such things. PR's biggest handicap for American audiences is being live-action and yet being live-action is what makes PR what it is.
>>23430360Takara can mend fences with Bandai since the're both jap firms. Toei and Bandai need to quit being so damned prideful and just make an agreement.
>>23430365Live action is still going strong in the US. We just need for it to quit being so damned snarky and grimdark. The new Superman movie has a Superman whose earnest and good-natured. We need PR doing that with writers who understand kids.
>>23430366Why are you PRfags so adamant that these companies bend over backwards to appease you when no one cares about PR outside of MMPR anymore? Anyone who liked the medium jumped over to sentai already anyway.
>>23430365I think that as anime is becoming more normalized and especially a lot of writers who grew up during Heisei where Super Hero Time was considered to be in a really good spot (look at how many writers might cite something like Kamen Rider Ryuki as an influence, and how there are even normalfag-tier anime that are directly referencing toku such as Kaiju #8 or Ranger Reject), and with the success of capeshit that now would be a decent time to push towards it more if Toei wanted.
>>23430388Zeztz is having a big push in the West. Sentai is in limbo since nobody can agree on what to do. Tokusatsu only appeals to mecha anime fans and more serious weebs who want to explore the inspirations behind their favorite shows. Most anime watchers think tokusatsu is childish trash because it has no romance, it has no waifus, and it has monsters of the week. How will you get normie weebs who watch Dandadan and One Piece to switch to something so different?
>>23430416toku has waifus, you just need to have yellow fever first
>>23430416Also, Zeztz seems to be trying a lot to be "cool" in a way that's presumably appealing to westerners. Everything we've seen so far seems to be on the lower end in terms of offlandish motifs. Gavv may be a relatively dark show, but imagine trying to sell to American kids the idea of some dude transforming with the power of snacks.
>>23430354Goranger was a massive hit, it just bombed with JAKQ. Sentai then had a solid decade of success well before PR was a thing.
>>23430341>PR was still a major money-maker and gamechanger in kid entertainment in the mid-to-late 90sThat was a totally different era. That kind of pop culture can never happen against thanks to network tv no longer being the only cultural engine anymore.
>>23430449Goranger was brand new and it was a long-spanning series which even had one of its sentai Yellows get killed and replaced. It was ahead of its time so no surprise it got numbers because it new and shiny. JAKQ killed it and they had to rework the sentai formula by incorporating US motifs and aesthetics with Battle Fever J and Toei Spider-Man. >Sentai then had a solid decade of success well before PR was a thing. Yeah because it had the giant robots that Toei Spider-Man introduced.
>>23430454Cape movies and shows are still going strong. PR just needs to have competent writers at the helm. Hire the japs for cheap to make cool things like ninjas, samurai, mystical creatures, etc. and not dopey shit they like to do.
>>23430430Zeztz isn't being marketed to Western kids. It's being made for the teen/adult weeb market.>imagine trying to sell to American kids the idea of some dude transforming with the power of snacks.I could see that happening. Make a blind bag series out of the henshin items, add food-based Granutes as more blind bag bait, add lots of grossout jokes, and you're golden.
>>23430466I'm pretty sure Kamen Rider can't be marketed to western kids anyway because it's kind of merch (belts and henshin gadgets that look just like the ones in the show) go against the US toy broadcast laws that are the reason Yugioh cards couldn't look like the actual cards in real life in the US dub version.
>>23430459PR doesn't have DC and Marvel's almost century long history and iconic status. It's seen as a hokey spandex show that was a fad in the 90s for 3 years. It will never have the kind of power mainstream cape stuff does.
>>23430286A lot of it was post 9/11 censorship but time force was also the benchmark for overuse of sentai footage vs original fight footage until the very next year with wild force.
>>23428603>>23430228It's not an issue on Toei's side. Kamen Rider's newest show will be simulcasted on western regions and apparently the toys are also making it over there too. Problem with Sentai is that the distribution and toy rights belong to other companies (Saban/Disney/Hasbro) because of the old deals so they can't really do much until those expire and are no longer passed around between the execs' friends.
>>23430531>because it's kind of merch (belts and henshin gadgets that look just like the ones in the show) go against the US toy broadcast lawsPower Rangers changers and weapons are the exact same way, and never ran into that issue all the way through its run. Hell, KR Ryuki adaptation didn't run into it eitherI've heard the same thing in the context of the YuGiOh dubs before, but never seen anyone point to a specific regulation that actually relates (the closest thing is a ban on airing commercials for the toys during the breaks for that show, e.g. airing commercials for YGO cards during the commercial break in the middle of an episode of YGO). They even used the same card layouts for the dub of the Bonds Beyond Time movie, which was non-broadcast and so not subject to FCC rules. A more likely explanation is that the totally textless layout was so they could send their edited footage to other foreign-language dubbing companies who'd licensed YGO, for a fee of course. I know for a fact the Italian and Spanish dubs both used 4kid's edited footage, for example, and a quick check tells me the French dub does too
>>23430598>apparently the toys are also making it over there too. Where? Walmart? Gamestop? BBTS? Amazon?
>>23430603The story I've heard on the Yugioh change is largely because, yes, they were compelled to airbrush the Japanese cards regardless and it's easier to just make one unified "any language dub" text (the Rush Duel anime have been maintaining the practice of editing the cards even though there's literally no product sold in the West) but I've also heard that the legal aspect was something that they might have gotten more scrutiny over since they were actually playing with the same physical objects, the series is about a card game instead of it being like a superhero series that happens to have a toy tie-in.It isn't exactly disallowed to have it be explicitly a commercial but it does add some red tape and extra costs so anything to reduce the direct comparison to the game is "more useful than not."
>>23430354>There wouldn't even be sentai without US input.then how come Sentai is still ongoing despite PR taking long hiatuses and the show now being buried for the time being
>>23430306What’s wrong with Amelia being red?
>>23430816Because this one anon is just an idiot who insists PR made Sentai and Toei should be kissing it's ass and giving all their money to PR to keep it going and just kill Sentai and run PR in Japan because PR was big for 2 years 30 years ago.
>>23430819Why should a girl be red?
>>23430383At this point it's cope
>>23430819>What’s wrong with Amelia being red?I'm not against a girl red the same way I'm not against a blue being leader. But it's easy to tell when things like this are done for subversive reasons and that shit is always cancerous to an ip built on campy fun.If someone said that the red of their series team was female because she an homage to Barbarella then I would be fine with it because coming from a place of sincerity.
>>23430306It already happened with both Samurai and the sentai equivalent.
Latest PR basically wrote for tokutwitter, not for kids. Remember when they admitted that one scene in Cosmic Fury was a trans allegory?
>>23427350>Kamen Rider whenThere's an emote in the OG pass that looks a bit like Accel's bike mode.
>>23430306I'm fine with a female red in theory but it has to be a natural decision or something with plot relevance, not a decision made because a higher-up didn't want a male lead.
Honestly Amelia as red made sense within Dino Fury/Cosmic Fury's storyline. It didn't bother me and could have been much worse.
>>23431019See >>23430987
>>23431021>Latest PR basically wrote for tokutwitter, not for kidsThis is the issue I take with most of this "female red" stuff.The audience is largely going to be younger boys by a big majority. No one is complaining about a female leader when Kakuranger, Timeranger, Time Force etc. can pull it off. But the red is something that is supposed to be for this audience as the "hero" and doing something for people that aren't your primary audience as the protagonist is just retarded.
>>23431146We need to get the boys to accept a strong female lead so they don't grow up with toxic masculinity. The future is female!
>>23430286>I guess on the Ranger side it is pretty closeOnly Wes and Eric really, and Sion I guess.Blue's plotline doesn't exist in PR.Yellow was a single episode and with a different outcome.Pink and Red never developed an actual romance.
>>23430416>Most anime watchers think tokusatsu is childish trash becausetheir frame of reference for toku is PR.
>>23431595nta but toku is for children, you're supposed to buy the toysmoms and dads are periphery
>>23431563>Blue's plotline doesn't exist in PR.Thet still adapt this episodes, just cutting it... which, yeah, it's kind of dumb and results in people often considering him the blandest cast member in Time Force.Also, in spite of changing the core villain motivations, the entire end-game still gets taken mostly from Time Ranger aside from Hansik final battle. It's the kind of show that often recreated even camera angles used by the Sentai for scenes with the American cast.
>>23431021>tokutwitterAnything made for a cesspit like that will just be an endless loop of references, meta humor and navel gazing.
>>23427350man they look so cool
>>23430855Well he's technically not wrong. Toei had decades to market sentai in the biggest world market and failed so PR was necessary
>>23428291I wonder if the new blood at Toei clashed with their predecessors over the stupid terms of the contract they signed?
>>23427456https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vslyGDQ912YApparantly King ohger would be tough to adapt due to all the green screen effects and other stuff they would have to replicate. But they did mention liking the suit designs.
>>23427357>>23427422Is Disney involved in production? I heard they were just going to be a streaming platform for the show?I know most people would prefer adaptations again but I honestlly think power rangers needs to try and do its own thing. Most of the past neo saban and hasbro adaptations have been very hit or miss so I don't have faith a King ohger or boonboomger adaptation for example would be good un;ess you have the right people on the team.They really need to learn to embrace the silly and unique aspects of sentai shows. Not everything has to be super mature or grimdark. Plus i think instead of aiming at younger kidst hey need to aim for slightly older kids. Maybe then they wouldn't have to worry too much about all these dumb show requirements past adaptations had to adhere to.
>>23432668The whole point of PR was making a show for cheap based on Japanese costumes and footage readily available. You really fucking think that Disney or Hasbro or any other company is going to pony up cash for a cheap show that they obviously pander to manchildren? I was a die hard PR fan growing up as a kid in the 2000's. Now I look back at it with cringe and I have to say that PR needs to be mercifully killed off.
>>23432675Yes thats true it began that way. But in this day and age where its easy to see what the original source is like i think being cheap doesn't work anymore.Plus imagine if this new show is going to be completely original. I feel like they won't do the usual 40 or something episodes like that past adaptations have done. I could see them doing a season of maybe 10 or 20 episodes. Maybe then they'd have more of a budget to make something good. An interview I saw recently mentioned they wanted to have original zords for cosmic fury but went with Kyuranger footage due to budget concerns.
>>23431021still surreal that they not only made a "zaito says trans rights" scene but actually admitted to it
>>23432685We're in a major economic downturn. No company is going to go for original stuff which costs money.
>>23432691We'll just have to wait and see what they do. For now it could go either way until we get more information on production or until preview or something show up.
>>23428192PR is a cheap show to produce and usually returns net gains, even if modest. Theres no reason to stop unless it actually becomes unprofitable. When in NZ, the average cost to produce a season (22 eps) was $20 mil US, before all the tax breaks they got from NZ, lowering their investment to around $14 mil. Theyre moving filming to the UK, now that it has even better tax benefits than NZ these days. The latest series, Cosmic Fury, did pretty good with kids, the problem was that Hasbro gave up on it 6 months before it even aired and only had 3 shitty toys produced. Kids would've bought them if they made them. Viewing numbers are still good for older seasons on Netflix too, though been lowering as they get older, as to be expected.
>>23431081Amelia led the team without Zayto in the Dino Fury finale, to fight the giant monster without their zords. She also showed leadership before she became red in CF. If Zayto's stay in CF was temporary then it makes sense for her to be red. Imo, she earned it, it wasn't just arbitrary "girl power".
>>23431702Not all Toku is for children.Garo comes to mind.
>>23432924It would be hard for adults in the west to take Garo seriously. The only way would be to remove everything that makes it toku, put a much higher budget in the suits. It would be panned and compared to Power Rangers no matter how adult it actually was.Though a lot consider how mature a show is, is by how many times they can say "fuck" in a single episode, so maybe that could save it.
The transformation sequence in cosmic fury where they pull down the helmets was pretty cool
>>23432914PR was cheap because Sentai did most of the heavy lifting for them. They aren't doing that because they want to milk MMPR, which means most cost on themselves.
>>23432974How much do you think Sentai's budget is?
>>23433017Budget per episode isn't the issue, Sentai took care of the main design costs, and the monster suits and robot fights which are the real money sinks. Going solo means PR has to foot all that themselves. Which is why the monsters in Once and Always looked so bad and they had to opt for a shitty CGed Megazord fight.
>>23433024I honestly wonder how PR would handle monsters without the Sentai designs propping them upA lot of PR original monsters were either kitbashed from old suits or kind of generic like Grumm who was a discount Skeletor
>>23433034Lord Zedd, insect Trakeena and most recently Scrozzle were pretty good. I wouldn't call Mesogog a "full" monster suit but his base form was good too.
>>23433024They already did all of that except the zords in Cosmic Fury.
May I ask why Power Rangers persists the way it does? Seriously, it has changed ownership three times and is currently on (at least) its second clear cancellation, yet they still don't seem to give up on bringing it back yet again. And... Well... They're still doing the whole "Sentai with reshoots" thing, after 30+ years. It seems to me that these types of cut and paste translations eventually stop with that kind of nonsense and either:A) Stop trying to mold existing material into something "new" and just start producing normal normal dubs.B) Stop taking existing material entirely and starting producing new stuff from scratch like a respectable production.But no, so far every single PR show is a Super Sentai show with new scenes of American actors (or Kiwis with fake American accents) replacing most non-action scenes. It was a bizarre thing when they did it back in the day and it's even more bizarre that they've done 30 seasons like this. And no, it's not "a clever alternative to dubbing" or "a good way to save money on the SFX budget", it's just weird. If it actually was a good idea to do this kind of thing, then many Hollywood action flicks would have lifted at least 30% of their runtime from some other movie, instead they keep blowing 200 million dollars every time they make an action movie at a high risk. Not saying that's a good idea either, most of those movies could probably be made with like one third or less if they prioritised camera technique and made tighter scripts that didn't need to feature a million reshoots just because they realised too late that the plot makes no sense, which still doesn't require them to lift the action scenes from elsewhere.
>>23433552PR has basically been the only kids' live action superhero show since its debut. It persisted because by the late 90s/early 2000s, kids' live action TV was dead except for Disney sitcoms. Furthermore, PR offers something different from Western superheroes (focus on colorful masks and robots), so it stands out and looks fresh in the West. It also will always have lots of toys to bring in money, even if nobody watches the show.>And no, it's not "a clever alternative to dubbing" or "a good way to save money on the SFX budget", it's just weird. It is a good way to save money. PR is so cheap to make that even Cosmic Fury made money. Nobody watches PR except kids and manchildren, so it's not comparable to big Hollywood movies. Dubbed Sentai would be too alien and awkward outside Asia because of the lips not matching and everyone being Japanese for no reason.
>>23433628I think dubbed sentai and kamen rider could work on things like streaming latforms where they have anime as well like crunchyroll or netflix.
>Final PR series was Dino Fury/Cosmic Fury>Also the show that had 2 lesbians>Gets canceled
>>23433833Not a chance in hell. Dubbed Asian media is never popular
>>23433552They tried an original Power Rangers movie in 2017 and it bombed HARD so I see why they went right back to sticking with Sentai footage after that.
>>23427401I have some good news for you about Fortnite's relationship with the Toei people.
>>23433552Are you saying Hollywood should have been Godfrey Ho-ing it all this time?
>>23434188I know they did collab with Toei to put Dragon Ball and some other anime in Fortnite, but isn't their animation department different from their live action department?
>>23434285Fortnite did a collab with King-Ohger, but it's nothing more than stages based on the locations from the show
>>23433552>If it actually was a good idea to do this kind of thing, then many Hollywood action flicks would have lifted at least 30% of their runtime from some other movie,The main difference is that Hollywood is the biggest, most high-budget source of movies in the world, has been since the 1930s, and there's really no viable pool of alternative sources that Hollywood productions can draw from. There's no other country producing anything to the same level as a Hollywood blockbuster. Meanwhile, the big hero toku shows stand out for being some of the most polished and generally well-produced examples around of a kids' action TV series. It's a niche (action) within a niche (kids' TV) within a niche (TV), but it's one they've undeniably managed to come out on top of after decades of refinement of their production processes. Like a microcosm of the way the Hollywood (and adjacent) production companies have spent the best part of a century building up their fiefdom in Los Angeles dedicated solely to producing movies, which now no one can compete with. Toei and Tsuburaya have spent 60-some years achieving the same thing for latex monsters and masked superheroesNot to mention the way in which American production companies really don't prioritise kids' programming. It's all well and good talking about the $hundreds-of-millions movies, but a kids' show isn't getting anywhere near the same budget-per-minute. The other Anon mentioned how Disney/Nick's live action output into the 2000s was almost wholly sitcoms, and a big part of that is that they're just very cheap, and pretty simple to produce. Being able to lift the expensive and difficult bits from somewhere else is a very appealing prospect to studios who are reluctant to invest in more than some basic domestic sets, because they don't think kids' TV is worth investing too much into in the first place
>>23434308Isn't it kinda pathetic that the largest big budget movie industry in the world would Godfrey Ho a Japanese kid series instead of making it from scratch? >>23434185The designs sucked but I liked the personalities of the Rangers and having Rita be the former Green Ranger and betrayed Zordon, the former Red Ranger. >>23434180Yeah the US has this allergy to watching Asians
>>23434429>the largest big budget movie industry in the world would Godfrey Ho a Japanese kid series instead of making it from scratch?It's not the movie industry making Power Rangers for TV. Even in the years when it was technically under Disney's umbrella, that was only via the ABC Family subsidiary, not a major studio with direct Disney bigbucks. Meanwhile, the last two series were some Frankenstein's Production, divided up between a made-for-purpose Power Rangers Productions studio and the Canadian arm of Lionsgate. Again, there's a big gulf between major movie production and kids' TV production. American TV production in general (at least the LA side of it, the NY side's a different story) has largely always ridden Hollywood's coattails, picking up scraps from the far more lavish movie productions, and the studios churning out Power Rangers were no exception. Small sub-companies of much larger powerhouses, who only have access to a fraction of the company's resourcesHell, on all 3 occasions that actual, theatrical PR movies were produced, they were entirely original footage. Because Toei stuff looks good enough to broadcast on an American kid's programming block, but wouldn't pass muster in an American theatre
>>23434445Yeah I know there's a gulf between TV and movie, but look at Smallville. I grew up with that at age 7 to 17 when it ended. The effects have aged well to this day and that was arguably a toku superhero series. PR just needs to die and be forgotten. It's kinda humiliating that the US TV industry needed to cut and splice a Japanese kid show instead of making their own live action superhero thanks to some money-grubbing shitrag.
>>23434458CW DC shows is practically henshin heroes for the US. Love em or hate em modern PR should strive to be like them, but only the good parts (aka early Arrowverse)
>>23434470Well yeah. Smallville paved the way for Arrow (which I thought was going to be a spinoff but then saw it was an original production). Then we got Flash (Seasons 1-4 were god tier), Legends of Tomorrow, Stargirl (pissed this ended), Supergirl, etc. Oh Lois & Superman had no fucking right to be as good as it did. It's probably the best rendition of Superman/Clark Kent and Lois Lane along with Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher in Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman.
>>23434477Funny I was super hesitant on startinf Superman & Lois because 1) Arrowverse had already run its course and 2) Back then even if it was good I was worried they'll lose steam like Arrow and Flash did. But the show keeps getting great word of mouth ajd especiappy it ended well. I gotta start that.
>>23434477Smallville was goated as an elseworld.
>>23434491I say this as someone who had ZERO expectations for Lois & Superman. It fucking nails the whole concept of WHO Superman and Clark Kent are. Good-natured and wants to be the best of what he's observed in humanity. Too many dipshits think that Superman is boring because he's a god. No, he's a guy who knows he's an outsider and conscious of it, but he was raised in a loving family and a comfy town where he attained his moral fiber. Why is Superman so much of a paragon? Or at least tries to be? Because he wanted to be as human as everyone else and he subconsciously exhibits what truly makes humans admirable like courage and empathy. And it does Lana Lang fucking justice. Not even Smallville did this with the character and I'm also a long-time Emmannuelle Chriqui fan ever since I saw Snow Day. Lois is fantastic. She's exactly what I expect of a hard-hitting reporter who marries Clark Kent and is also Superman's wife and secret keeper. And Lex...I'm a huge Band of Brothers fan and the actor is one of the best interpretations of Luthor. Michael Rosenbaum's in Smallville and Clancy Brown's in the DCAU were the standard for me, but Lois and Superman's Lex is far more brutish yet deadly. I really liked how they made his villainy partly the fault of the leading cast.
>>23434504It's really easy to dismiss TV series in favor of movies, but the episode format leaves a whole lot more room for characterization. I never thought the Flash would be palatable to normies, but they made it work. Then they tried to go all in on the shared universe shit and kind of blew it.
>>23434514Nah, I always preferred TV because they have more time to develop characters and storylines. And what made Flash so damned charming in Seasons 1-4 was that Grant portrayed him as a likable guy who just wanted to save people. That's the whole core of the Flash. Superman soars above the people. Batman lurks in the shadows and terrifies. But the Flash runs alongside the people and engages with them. And yeah the shared universe pissed me off and I stopped watching sometime right before covid hit.
>>23434526Capeshit media is just doomed to repeat the same issues the comics have. It's really hard to balance the need for stories to have meaningful consequences and the necessity of having a recognizable star. You can see it in the MCU and how poorly they've integrated the post-Thanos cast members. Maybe Gunnverse will be different, but we'll have to see how Lanterns plays out.
>>23434503The CW
>>23434945>You are repeating the same nonsense over and over again.Says the /prg/ guy who wait for the tiniest nugget of information to start a thread again.
>>23434945>Problem solved. Power Rangers is back. Basically you want to make it more masculine, hot blooded, and action filled. Very old school. I get that. Your plan probably would work. It's very simple. But it's funny because the current owners of Power Rangers, Hasbro, would NEVER do it. They are very anti-masculine, anti-male gaze, and all about corporate approved "diversity". They are basically still living in 2018.
>>23434945Weak bait.
>>23435127You are stupid. I didn't start this thread and if I had the chance I would delete it. Of all the posts on this thread why would think I am the OP. I mean really? How stupid can you be. Pick better next time.
>>23435134The pendulum is starting to swing back because they're realizing wokeness doesn't equate to profits>>23435140There's a lot of fanatical PR fanboys who think this way
>>23435164>The pendulum is starting to swing back because they're realizing wokeness doesn't equate to profitsTrue. But companies are so slow to change. It may take another 5 years before Hasbro finally changes, fixes their mistakes, and makes a more masculine appealing Power Rangers.Another issue is a lot of the people in charge at Hasbro are very anti-Trump and anti-Republican. Multiple CEOs have made multiple anti-trump remakes. And 94% of the Hasbro Executives have donated to the Democratic party. That's a very clear bias. So Hasbro may just refuse to change power rangers and crash the franchise into the ground out of personal spite against Trump and maculinity. Just look at the reaction to a simple Sydney Sweeney jeans commercial. They turned rapid.
>>23435196>Multiple CEOs have made multiple anti-trump remakes.what's wrong with being hating pedos?
>>23435418Pedos who are out there hating on things have no right to complain because they're pedos.
>>23435602in English please?
>>23435605If you're being a hating pedo, you are a pedo who hates.
>>23435609
>>23433628>It is a good way to save money. PR is so cheap to make that even Cosmic Fury made money. Nobody watches PR except kids and manchildren, so it's not comparable to big Hollywood movies. Dubbed Sentai would be too alien and awkward outside Asia because of the lips not matching and everyone being Japanese for no reason.You could argue that but there are two problems:1. If your intent is to "create" a show, then you are clearly very limited to what you can do if the costumes, props and SFX footage is taken from elsewhere.2. If your intent is instead to essentially make a dub with extra steps, it's an unnecessary expense to film new footage when you could just do all your work in a recording studio.We just don't see this kind of thing happen a lot outside of Power Rangers, at least not since the 90's, which would indicate the cost saving or creative compromise isn't worth it for most productions.>>23434232Never heard of that guy before but no, the argument is more so that they seem more willing to spend money on reshoots and extra CGI, rather than simply just revising the script to be tight and figuring out how to minimise the SFX/CGI with better technique, which they used to do by the way. The point is that there are ways of keeping the budget down that won't require just recycling entire scenes just because they were expensive to film in the first place, if what Power Rangers was a good in general, then you'd probably see something like WB hacking out scenes from the Snyderverse and putting them into new movies to make back the money they wasted making those movies.
>>23434945>Power Rangers will always be superior.No Sentai is superior. Uncultured American pigs might not think so but fuck all of you, the world would be better off if you were all nuked to oblivion.
>>23435815While sentai is undoubtedly better and original, you know the PR fans are frothing at the mouth over this.>>23434945It says a lot abour how ass backwards the US is id they can't accept a foreign show which other countries have no problem with.
>>23436097Sentai has been available for streaming for years now. Guess what? No one cares. It hasn't exploded in popularity in the West. No one cares. When will people like you and Japan stop trying to dictate what the West should like? Power Rangers is better and what the West wants. Just take the L. Move on with life.
>>23436173>P-PR is better and what the West wants.Yeah sure. get ready for MMPR show number 69
>>23434180Godzilla?
>>23432934>It would be hard for adults in the west to take Garo seriouslyGaro has lots of bare titties.
>>23434945>No diversity hires that suck. No mystery meat leaders.Aren't some of the best PR Reds black dudes?
>>23434308At this point in history Hollywood is literally dead bro.
>>23436173The west doesn't want Power Rangers either. That's why its getting canceled.
>>23436245>Aren't some of the best PR Reds black dudes?Isn't that all Hasbro has done for their leader Rangers? Like 3 or 4 Black leaders in a row.And I COULD forgive that...if the actors they chose had any charisma or could actually act. But they can't. Especially Zayto.
>>23433034We get sledge, which is fairly genericAt worst it's shitty cgi like Mystic Knights
>>23433034>I honestly wonder how PR would handle monsters without the Sentai designs propping them up
>>23436245>Aren't some of the best PR Reds black dudes?No?
>>23430425Nope, only homos, because only middle aged women watch toku
>>23436335Literally high.Children still watch Sentai and Rider.
>>23436295>The west doesn't want Power Rangers either. That's why its getting canceled.Don't get it twisted. The West wants Power Rangers. But there's disagreements among leadership about the direction to take the show. The West wants either what this anon >>23434945 said, or they want a "Power Ranger's Legacy" style show that brings back older Rangers to be mentors and help out.The Netflix special was reasonably well received despite its flaws like... (Trini's daughter looking nothing like Trini, the actresses' acting skills was pretty bad, the CGI for the megazord fight was awful, etc). But the rest was solid. Meanwhile Hasbro wants to just ....you know...their typical new season with diversity hires that lack talent, push more alphabet agendas on social media, make a big deal about the actors race on social media, and have the show's writing appeal to babies. Basically do everything but actually improve the quality of the shows. It's no wonder Hasbro had to lay off like 15% of their employees.
>>23435721Power Rangers was made at a time when anime not being lip synced was generally looked at with mockery. And for its target audience of kids it was judged better to show them something that they're familiar with and that can be tuned to resonate with the American audience. They saved the budget on the actual large production costs of action scenes while being able to focus what they had into making a product that was tuned to the target audience. Sitcoms aren't exactly budget intensive, which is why throughout the 90s and 2000s they were a huge part of primetime programming. The filming that Power Rangers needed to do was only a little above the necessities of a sitcom if they wanted to splurge and do some out-of-suit action.Remember that subs even nowadays limits your range among normalfags, and dubbed toku has proven to be relatively niche, the way that Power Rangers did it is what allowed the franchise to maintain a cultural foothold in the West, even if it wasn't exactly a sustainable one.
The one thing Sentai does better than Power Rangers is fight choreography. That's the only thing I give Sentai credit for. The h2h fighting in the Hasbro shows kinda sucks.
>>23436097>It says a lot abour how ass backwards the US is id they can't accept a foreign show which other countries have no problem with.You shouldn't be bragging. Japan nearly cancelled Sentai a few years ago due to shitty TV ratings. No one was watching. And Sentai hasn't been doing that much better ever since that the near cancelation.
>>23436340>Don't get it twisted. The West wants Power RangersStopped reading there. No it doesn't. Power Rangers hasn't been popular in like over 20 years.
>>23436371>Japan nearly cancelled Sentai a few years ago due to shitty TV ratingsSource?
>>23436430And you call yourself a Sentai fan? Lmao. Poser. If you browsed /ssg/ then you wouldn't even have to ask that question.
>>23436449So you have no source. I thought so.
>>23435164>>23435196You guys don't seem to realize that what happened last year was not the pendulum "starting to swing back". It was the pendulum reaching its highest point on your side. So you're too late. It has rapidly begun swinging back in the other direction. You had your time with the pendulum and it's coming back to us. You missed your chance to do anything. You haven't realized it now because the pendulum is still in the early stages of the swing, so it looks like it's on your side, but it is already in motion.Stay blind for now if you want. But when you can no longer deny it has reached our side, you will remember this. The people you condemn for not budging are smart, because they understand which direction the pendulum is swinging now.
>>23436452No it's me laughing at you being so misinformed. Super Sentai ratings have been on a decline since Gokaiger.
>>23436484That is well known.However you have posted no source saying it was nearly canceled.And you will post no source because you made it up.
>>23436484It's also so cheap to make it doesn't really matter. It makes enough money for them to keep it going. Really the problem is that Rider just became so much more profitable once they switched the collection gimmick
>>23436173The west doesn't want either of them. It wants more American style capeshit. Putting diverse American actors in the suits doesn't make them any less hokey looking to the average American.
>>23436245Scott and Jack, I guess.
>>23436692Rider is better than Sentai. The actors are cooler, the suit designs are more interesting, and the women are hotter in Rider.Outside of a few rare seasons seasons (like Gokaiger), Sentai seems like it's always filled with C list actors. Both in looks and acting ability. Remember all those Goseiger memes about their looks?
>>23436743Rider typically has a smaller cast and doesn't have to juggle 6 heroes every episode (outside of the occasional show that has a ton of Riders). That being said, Rider doesn't always get lucky with actors, see Revice and Gotchard where most of them sucked and were mid tier look wise at best.
>>23436743Those memes were dumb even when they first appeared.GoseiYellow was mad cute.
>>23436773>GoseiYellow was mad cute.Pffft..
>>23436340>Don't get it twisted. The West wants Power Rangers. But there's disagreements among leadership about the direction to take the show.That's kind of an exaggeration. This West COULD want Power Rangers, but no one in charge wants to take the effort to make it worthwhile to the general public outside scrounging for MMPR's popularity or aping whatever DC and Marvel did years ago.Also you're better off not even responding to that other guy. It's the usual autist who trolls the board for any mention of the series just to shit on it.
>>23436694>Putting diverse American actors in the suits doesn't make them any less hokey looking to the average American.And why is that, really? Is it just because they're from Japan, so people are being racist? Trust me, I know that sounds dumb - "People don't like Power Rangers because racism" - but really, objectively, how are the Ranger suits any worse/dumber than those from American capeshit?>Brightly coloredLots of heroes have bright colors on their suits.>No capesLots of heroes have no capes.>HelmetsWhile not all do, plenty of American heroes have helmets or full-face masks where this shouldn't be an issue.
>>23436457The pendulum is about to break off the string and smash your house, but you'd rather blame tranny you thought you saw on a street corner than the dipshits with the gold-plated scissors. >>23436982It's because Tokusatsu is still goofy and theatrical in a way that's been beaten out of American media by snark and irony.
>>23437084I heard that Power Rangers felt the need to justify things like pyrotechnics in transformation scenes or sparks being used to accentuate impacts with in-universe explanations.
>>23436427Kids do.
>>23432924yeah but we're talking about mainstream
>>23438230Kids don't watch Power Rangers.Only manchildren do. Its been that way for a long time.
>>23427422>>23427357Disney was hoping to get comic rights for PR but Boom still has them, meaning we won't be getting Power Rangers vs Alien vs Predator
>>23440029>PredatorPower Rangers Hunting Squad
>>23440029>meaning we won't be getting Power Rangers vs Alien vs PredatorI'm okay with that. Godzilla was kind of okay, DC shouldn't have happened, Street Fighter was pretty shit (but the live action short was cool), and TMNT happened in the show first so I'm okay with it.I think it's fine if there's no more crossovers.
>>23436457You're so lost in allegory you're hardly even saying anything.
>>23440029Funnily enough, Boom used to do Disney comics but then lost the license. i think they did a DuckTales and Darkwing Duck crossover without Disney's permission.>>23440099I thought the Godzilla crossover was pretty good but the second one felt more like a Power Rangers story guest starring since he's barely in it. There was also that Usagi Yojimbo oneshot.
>>23440022When was the last time kids were visibly PR fans? Back in 2017 when the new movie came out?
>>23440029>meaning we won't be getting Power Rangers vs Alien vs PredatorWhy would you even want that? It sounds like absolute cancer.
>>23440495>When was the last time kids were visibly PR fans?Late 90s/Early 00s.No kids went to see that 2017 shitshow.
>>23440222>I thought the Godzilla crossover was pretty good but the second one felt more like a Power Rangers story guest starring since he's barely in it.As someone who loved Godzilla vs. MMPR 1 and hated Godzilla vs. MMPR 2, I fully believe that Godzilla wasn't even originally meant to be in Godzilla vs. MMPR 2 and it was intended to be more of a spiritual sequel, with the Rangers just using kaiju powers. But then Toho realized this was the plan and went "WTF PUT GODZILLA IN IT."
>>23440495Samurai
>>23440495Samurai was actually rather popular with kids, but Saban and Hasbro basically ignored it after it was done airing, so I doubt it really stayed with many people.
>>23441143The one positive is that it included characters outside of Mighty Morphin like Astonema and the Psycho Rangers. Also, the Kaijuzords looked cool.
>>23441502I would've appreciated Astronema more if she was teamed up with a Toho villain instead of Rita, though my personal preference would've been Zedd and the Space Men from the Third Planet teaming up and making an evil Megazord out of Serpentera and Mechagodzilla.
>>23436313Problem with Zayto is that they're trying to make him Andros 2.0 but it fell flat. I mean Andros wasn't that good of an actor but there's a certain charm in how it just works. I guess Dino Fury being very kindergarten-hand holdy is what brought it down.
>>23436245There's Jack and uuhhhhhhhh....shit.
>>23442146I've said it before, if they did a Mechagodzilla Megazord, they'd use the 1993 Noriyoshi Ohrai design
>>23441399>>23441403Samurai's problem is that it's borderline cultural appropriation that came out around the time cancel culture was becoming a thing and there's really no way to justify it without stating outright "Americans are racist and don't want to watch a group of Asians". With the other shows you can justify they wanted to change the story for a more American friendly setting and what not but Samurai is basically just 1 to 1 Shinkenger with more jokes and Bulk and Spike having the occasional random scene. Heavily Japanese theming and story except changed to the rather ridiculous concept that a bunch of Americans with all but one having zero Asian blood are actually part of a hidden Samurai clan. It both looks bad and makes PRing seem pointless (It they were gonna go full Samurai weeb why even bother with the recast) unless they just admit Westerners don't want to watch Asians and their questionable acting which is political suicide.
>>23442462With that in mind, it's no surprise that despite Samurai being well received they buried it afterwards. Continuing to draw focus to it was a sure way to get Cultural justice warriors looking their way.
>>23442215I recall Scott being positively received even if overshadowed in his show.
>>23442462Lego Ninjago still has a foothold among kids so that sounds like it's just PR being retarded.
>>23442351Size-wise it'd make sense too, if Serpentera was involved.
>>23442462>>23442534I do recall there being some conversation at the time about the whitest dude imaginable having the Shiba family nameWonder if Ninja Storm would have caught flak if it had come out at a different time. Though Cam was asian at least
>>23442462Not only that but also some of the context was missing. For example, unlike Jayden and Lauren, Takeru and Kaoru weren't blood related,so him being a decoy make more sense. Not to mention, technically speaking if it was trying to be true to Japanese Jayden would have been the heir due to being male. I also find it hilarious that they didn't even bother to give half of the Rangers last names. Hell, we only ever see Mia's on her driver's license which is also the only time the name of the town is mentioned. Panorama City. All of its problems just feel like laziness and Megaforce/Super Megaforce are the same way. I'm pretty sure the producer for both was also involved in Wild Force which was also a 1 to 1 adaptation, though I don't remember if it was as bad about it.
>>23436326It gives me a sense of national pride knowing that Zedd is a PR original, I don't know what lightning in a bottle they had to put together a design that went *this* hard but I'm glad it did even if he unfortunately became just another goofy idiot villain in the end.
>>23442748I'd mention Ninja Steel though that show had other problems than just not all the characters being Asian. Though, from I heard, the Sentai it was based on wasn't very good either.
>>23442771As much as we all love Zedd and as awesome as his design is, it is kinda funny in retrospect that they decided:>Okay, our villains up 'til this point have been an old witch and her mythological creature minions. We're introducing a new villain to be their boss; what should he be?>A CENOBITE.>...>Well, a family-friendly Cenobite.>...Fuck it, sure, why not.
>>23442462I remember some butthurt that the casting call specifically mentioned the Samurai Red to be only Caucasian.
>>23433068>>23436326I feel like Zedd is kind of a weird example because he was designed to be an on-going villain that'd be returning week after week. Not a monster that'd be destroyed by the end of the episode. The thought process going into designing a monster changes depending on what use the show will be getting out of them, so I could see them putting a lot more effort into the villain that'll be there long term compared to one that'll get less than 22 minutes of total screentime.
>>23430819There is absolutely nothing wrong with there being a female lead if it fits the needs of the story, and you could even argue that Tsuruhime from Kakuranger was the first female team leader. She was way more competent than the other retards on the team. But if the only reason you're doing is to check off a box and show everyone how progressive you are, then you're not empowering women. You're showing everyone how smart and virtuous you think you are.
>>23442462This always chafed me. It would have been the perfect time to have an Asian lead, or at the very least, a Hawaiian American of Japanese descent. But this was when they thought kids would never accept an Asian lead.
>>23442777Ninninger was 95% trash.The ONLY good thing about it was the Gold Ninger, who followed the sentai tradition of being a cowboy ninja.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9XQAWSDz4100/10 American.
>>23444121>But this was when they thoughtThey still think that and they always will.
>>23444121I just remembered despite Antonio being Hispanic wasn't his actor Thai?
>>23444125the green ninninger in the movie was cute...
>>23427422Honest question here, how expensive Super Sentai is for Toei? Like 50 episodes plus a movie every year in Japan's economy still possible to profit from the toys?
>>23444432they definitely remembered what the internet said about that when making dino fury. the original actress cast as green was hispanic like the actor for blakc but she got recast with an indian girl so they said they were step siblings which was absolutely a last second change. and then the father was played by a maori actor but they said he was biologically related to the son even though he looks way more like the daughter.
>>23427487It REALLY doesn't help that Hasbro has been pushing MMPR over other teams. Hell, Cosmic Fury had only like 5 toys period.
>>23445383They've toned down the budget a lot these days, like shooting locations are more limited, monster suits are constantly reused just with different head and accessories, combined robots that make minor appearances are just cg. Basically either you have a constant supporting cast in every episode or face villains in every episode. Both can't coexist to limit the cast side per-episode
>>23442177>Problem with Zayto is that they're trying to make him Andros 2.0 but it fell flat. I mean Andros wasn't that good of an actor but there's a certain charm in how it just works.It's really a prime example of how much the writing and direction for the show changed for the worst over the years. With In Space, they actually worked with Christopher Khaymen Lee so that his stiff acting added to the character's portrayal, even going as far as to suggest not socializing with his castmates to enforce his initial distance from the other Rangers. A little extreme, but still, it's something.Hasbro obviously didn't do anything sort of coaching with Russell Curry. They put more thought into whether he was wearing white or "champagne" in Cosmic Fury then how to properly portray a veteran warrior who lost his prior team and world.>>23442215I hope you're not leaving out TJ, First Black Leader of the Power Rangers™ on purpose.
>>23445702>10 episodes>all released the same day>direct to streaming services>villain is a revived Lord Zedd>they bring back Billy>morph sequence looks like craphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8PNEfLngBg>have Zordon return (in the appearance of another character except wearing different clothes)I'm surprised it got that many.
>>23445711>TJI feel like he was better as In Space Blue than Turbo Red 2.
>>23445714Everyone was better in In Space than in Turbo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOAmJKoKeOIRPM has THE BEST fucking OP of all times.The demo of course.
>>23427350So is Power Rangers worth watching as an adult that has like, mild nostalgia for the series? I've watched lots of Kamen Rider and Godzilla and Ultraman and other Toku but never really got in Super Sentia or Power Rangers cause I know there's fans for both versions of the show and I don't really know which one to bother with. I'm always surprised when I see how many adult fans Power Rangers has, specifically for POWER RANGERS and not Super Sentia. Is it just nostalgia and refusal to read subtitles or should I check it out?
>>23427487Its not even as if Japan is immune to or not interested in appeals to nostalgia, they just go about it in a completely different way.Gokaiger is the most popular and beloved Sentai series and you can't separate nostalgia pandering from its story. But it avoids leaning into them or any team like the definitive "best" and its one of many while the west and its fans can't ever seem to move past anything's first iteration.
>>23446891>So is Power Rangers worth watching as an adult that has like, mild nostalgia for the series?Depends on the series? Because as much as I enjoyed it as a child, MMPR does not hold up at all and is extremely bad. Some later series might hold up better than others, but MMPR is just plain bad.
>>23427401Seeing as how they were cool with Godzilla. It doesn't seem like a stretch.
>>23427531Adapting King-Ohger would be the right call, honestly.
>>23430466This. Zeztz is going to go after the older Toku lovers in the west. Which in my opinion is the right call. These are the people that buy the merch for their collections.
>>23433552Can you imagine if they had actually tried something new and interesting and adapted the Lord Drakkon saga back then when we still had JDF and he was down to do stuff?
>>23434185Honestly, it failing had a lot more to do with the shit writing and courting a "modern audience". The movie went for being realistic instead of empowering and aspirational. Biggest moment that stands out to me was:>Pink Ranger has a panic attack while flying her Zord.
>>23447127Godzilla is Toho, not Toei.
>>23447336That reminds me, anyone remember that edgy fan film that had Rocky sell out to the Machine Empire?
>>23447130>boom comic shit>interestingNo, it'd be pretty bad
>>23431021Gozyuger has the same problem. An episode about the showa era, an episode about gyarus through the decades, an episode parodying school dramas older than most zoomers etc. It feels nearly as oldfag pandering as Akibaranger.
>>23447583Those things don't sound even remotely related to what you replied to
>>23447360
>>23431021I 'member when Boom decided that Rocky and Adam crave cock and each other.
>>23447585>It's not written for kids
>>23447649I've said this before, but Rocky smoking dick tracks, imo
>>23447658>Kids can't know about or be interested in old thingsAnon, the most popular Sentai series is Gokaiger. Just because you don't know about those things doesn't mean people in Japan don't.
>>23447583>>23447658I question your intentions by even trying to compare the two
>>23447696Also in Japan it's a frequent thing that most kids don't even follow the story or writing and just like to see the toys and action, the story and writing is for the parents who have to watch it with them. It's only a problem is there isn't enough action scenes to keep the kids engaged like with Kingohger
>>23446891Sure, if you're in the mood for it. Some seasons have more merit than others (In Space to Wild Force, Ninja Storm to SPD, RPM), but it won't be a bad time if you restrain your expectations and try to enjoy it for what it was. Not that you can't be critical of the less interesting seasons, just don't expect more than the show could offer.>>23447336It's not even that the movie was trying to be realistic (which should never be a goal for PR in the first place, mind you), it's that it was cynically trying to ape it's contemporaries without even trying to work in the zaniness PR is known for.Also it's funny you mention Kim, because she's the focal point of the movie's issues.>Ruins her "best friend's" life for street cred>Acts like the victim when she's ousted from her clique>In the climax, gloats at her former friends being in danger before saving them>This last point is also the climax for her development. >She gets the most focus besides Jason's washed up job plot and Billy being autisticThink about that for a second. Not just that this is what they thought was a good plot for one of their main heroines, but that she beats out Zack trying to care for his ailing mother and Trini's struggling to connect with others in terms of focus.
>>23446891>So is Power Rangers worth watching as an adult that has like, mild nostalgia for the series?I watched a bit a few years ago and its really fun if you enjoy cheesey time capsules of an era or b movies. But I didnt watch a lot. I guess you have to embrace your inner child even more than normal idk. Its pure nostalgia for me
>>23448513>>Ruins her "best friend's" life for street cred>>Acts like the victim when she's ousted from her clique>>In the climax, gloats at her former friends being in danger before saving them>>This last point is also the climax for her development. >>She gets the most focus besides Jason's washed up job plot and Billy being autisticTo add to this, she actually keeps the picture that ruined her friend's life and later shows it to Jason. Also, when her former friend's boyfriend calls Kimberly out on this, she fucking punches him and knocks his tooth out. Like... holy fucking hell. I'm rooting for Rita at this point.
>>23448877Exactly. It's so baffling that they would go for a serious redemption plot, then just completely skip the redemption and pretend like finding herself was the whole point. If this were even a smidge more popular, it would be the only thing anyone ever talked about from the movie.It just makes me wonder how they would have handled Tommy's arc in a sequel. Would he be literally brainwashed, or just a punk who got too much power and pointed in the wrong direction? Imagine Tommy and Kim bonding over their sordid pasts, with Kim whipping out the picture again to show it could always be worse.
>>23448877It's literally child porn that she is still disseminating She should be getting charged for this shit and expelled from the school
>>23427422I just don't get why no one at Hasbro has said "Wait, we own Wizards of the Coast and TTRPGs are more popular than ever, why don't we mash up D&D and Power Rangers?" Like Mystic Force and everything to do with Rita and Zedd's side of things is right there for proof of concept.>But it's not economically viable!Bitch, they REFUSE to stop shitting out Dragonlance adaptations and MTG is making money hand over fist thanks to all of the crossover packs; they have the incentive.
>>23449962Renegade Games' Essence20 system. All the games (Transformers, Power Rangers, My Little Pony, and GI Joe) were supposed to be 5e games (per the original announcement), but for whatever reason they swapped to a new game system. In fact if you find first editions of the Power Rangers core (or pdfs of it), they did a pretty bad job with editing and there were some remnants of 5e wording scattered around.
>>23449962There are PR TTRPG's. None are very good or popular.
>>23447576It probably would have been bad, but it would've been the big cross media marketing push the franchise could have used at the time. Kind of crazy Hasbro was making a big push with Shattered Grid being represented in all mediums except the TV show itself.
>>23450352I think the closest was one live action trailer with JDF as Lord Drakkon.
>>23430335>Hasbro makes Gobots Transformers, so the relationship can't be that bad.Anon they can't even use the actual Machine Robo designs because they only own Tonka's end of the IP, which is to say the names and the cartoon versions of the toys)which are largely based on Bandai molds). They don't actually own or license the original toy designs. Hasbro in the 2000's copyright trolled Machine Robo Rescue by getting the copyright before they could import the toys(which heavily featured the acronym "MRR" on them). This is not a friendly relationship.
>>23446891There's no reason to watch power rangers at all.Watch super sentai instead.
>>23450352>>Kind of crazy Hasbro was making a big push with Shattered Grid being represented in all mediums except the TV show itself.>Villain is named "Lord Dra___n">His scheme involves traveling through realities, capturing Rangers, and stealing their powers>He has an army of faceless Ranger soldiers powered by the aforementioned stolen Ranger powers>An evil Tommy is a major threat>The universe/multiverse/reality literally starts shattering due to the villain's planI don't care, you can tell me all the behind the scenes bullshit you want, you can tell me "the episode came first and they didn't even know the comic's plot yet" until you're blue in the face... I absolutely REFUSE to believe they didn't rip off Shattered Grid for Dimensions In Danger. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. Literally ALL they had to do was replace Drayven with JDF in the Drakkon suit from the trailer and it would've worked perfectly.
>>23450550The closest you get to actual Gobots in modern Transformers is the occasional repaint of Mirage as Crasher (whose colors were a Gobot original anyways). The whole thing feels like another situation where if Bandai and Hasbro went to court, it wouldn't turn out well for either so each would rather stay in their own corner. The modern Machine Robo production committee tries to pass of modern versions of the old characters as being tied to the animes, which leaves out a ton of designs that were never in Revenge of Cronos or Battle Hackers.
>>23450771STFU Flip. This is a Power Rangers thread. Sentai can stay in Japan where it belongs.
>>23431146>>23431296>being melodramatic pussies over Female Reds againNot a single boy is crying over a girl being the leader, you faggots are hardcore projecting every time you complain about thisThe real issue is that Nu-PR is boring and esoteric as fuck and most boys just want anime that's cool. They don't give a fuck if a girl is prominent as long as she's hot.
>>23451453That's because they are quite literally not watching Power Rangers anymore, and its not a coincidence that the new stuff fails to land with kids where even Samurai did.
>>23451453Power Rangers is supposed to be a show where the kids want to self insert and roleplay the hero. No little boy wants to roleplay a girl unless they're unknowingly a trans woman
>>23452071Then why was Justin so hated when he was in Turbo?
>>23452233Cause kids don't want to roleplay as other kids - They're already kids. They want to roleplay as the cool "grown-up" teenagers with attitude.
>>23452233This was basic 80s/90s kids marketing. Kids thought older kids (highschoolers) were cooler than their peers. That why the kid sidekick character was usually kept separate from the hero.
>>23452233>>23452301>>23452311Also because he was really out of place. He was visibly younger than everyone else, and because he is replacing an existing character in a group rather than something present from the start it basically has an immersion breaking effect. Even kids will pick up on something like this and instinctively reject something that they perceive as being forced.
>>23451203We just got a gobot set but I have no knowledge if gobots and this might not count somehow
>>23452301I really liked beetle borgs despite them doing that. But my memory is mostly the cool suits and retarded Jay leno monsters.
>>23447336>>Pink Ranger has a panic attack while flying her Zord.I don't remember this happening. Maybe at the end right before the Megazord formed and they all were about to die in the lava or wharever is the moment you are referring to. But I'd hardly call that a weird moment considering the context. You make it sound like she sperged out mid battle and couldn't fight, when during the battle, I remember her being confident and cocky enough to take pot shots at her ex-friends car. I consider that worse than her supposed panic attack.
>>23452319And they had him going to high school like the others. It also probably didn't help when everyone except him got replaced. But then he was left behind for In Space, came back for one episode and was never seen again.
>>23447336>>Pink Ranger has a panic attack while flying her Zord.>>23452373>I don't remember this happening.That's because it didn't. Nobody has a panic/anxiety attack in PR2017. The moment Kimberly has in her Zord that everyone hates is that she sees her former friends/victims nearly get crushed by debris and laughs and says that's what they deserve. If anything, Kimberly is laughing at someone having a panic attack.
>>23452358The original eHobby Gobots set had nothing to do with the actual brand and was inspired by a bunch of unused repaints from a Transformers catalog. You can see a gray Powerglide, a red Beachcomber, a blue Cosmos, and a blue and red Seaspray facing off against existing seeker toys that have the Coneheads wings. The latter also became new characters. Hasbro uses these color schemes as a way to refresh their trademarks on the character names and brand. In practice, something like Transformers Pathfinder doesn't look anything like the Gobot equivalent. Hasbro's reluctance to clarify things almost lead to the Bumblebee movie using Crasher and Cop-Tur as its main villains, with Shatter and Dropkick being inspired by them instead.
>>23432661Makes sense. Honestly it's kind of impressive King-Ohger didn't look that bad by sentai FX standards.
>>23451385You get the fuck out./m/ used to ban power rangers threads on site.
>>23436173>"See nobody cares that the old Showa era Sentai shows are streaming that means Power Rangers is better!"The West doesn't want whatever the fuck garbage like Cosmic Fury is, the people still consuming PR content specifically want their nostalgia tickled which is why the comics are primarily MMPR stuff, everything has to tie back to that first season. Power Rangers no longer has that cultural impact it had back in the day, its existence being perpetuated is primarily for the adults who remember the original seasons. Part of the dwindling quality of the show is that Sentai's been getting a larger variety of themes that PR are unwilling to touch because they want specific themes that tie into the Morphing Grid and thus MMPR. On top of that, some shows like Donbrothers don't provide a lot of b-roll being a character focused show. Cosmic Fury had to throw out a LOT of Kyuranger footage because instead of sticking to the constellation theme they wanted to keep up the fucking dinosaurs because MMPR had dinosaurs and everyone loved MMPR. Kind of like how when they did MegaForce instead of just letting their Gokaiger season be about pirates, it had to be a sequel series too and you know what fucking happened there. Power Rangers wants to be low budget while also trying to play for nostalgia while ALSO having to create more original content for their shows due to how much more out there some later Sentais are conceptually mixed with the nostalgia chasing. Power Rangers is a shambling corpse grasping at a legacy it had years ago, and just because nobody watches a Youtube stream of Zyuranger doesn't change that.
>>23453459>instead of just letting their Gokaiger season be about piratesThey specifically wanted to avoid a Pirates theme for whatever reason. Apparently someone in production thought it'd be problematic.
>>23453515Whoever it was had a hateboner for pirates. Kids have always loved pirates.
>>23450550>Hasbro in the 2000's copyright trolled Machine Robo Rescue by getting the copyright before they could import the toys(which heavily featured the acronym "MRR" on them). This is not a friendly relationship.That's Harmony Gold assholery. No wonder Japanese don't like dealing with US distributors if this is how they're treated.
>>23453459>Power Rangers is a shambling corpse grasping at a legacy it had years agoSo the youngest an MMPR fan in 1993 when it debuted would be 5 years old since that's when you usually remember things vividly as a kid. Are we going to have 45 year old manchildren obsess over their bizarro Frankenstein show from the 90's? That's Robotech level obsession which in itself is cringe as fuck.
>>23442462>there's really no way to justify it without stating outright "Americans are racist and don't want to watch a group of Asians".What's wrong with them openly admitting it? It's an open secret.
>>23453733That would be social suicide. It would forever poison PR as a racist franchise who Asian rights groups will protest against. Nobody would ever want to be part of it again as they'd get constant negative social media press from it. The cool thing to be in the entertainment industry is super progressive and multicultural hating on anything overly Americanized as for "Chuds". They have to pretend it's just coincidence otherwise they'll be accused of racism and bigotry.
>>23453733odd how asian media was dubbed for american consumption for decades just about right up until saban needed to make an excuse for him getting moneyultraman, magma, mirrorman, giant robo, every kung fu moviewhat strange miracle must have happened
>>23453712andre black nerd is a 46 year old who already obsesses over power rangers
>>23453733https://www.deviantart.com/burkistan/art/The-Tyranny-of-the-Terror-Toad-1213248846This is why
>>23453918That fucking frog made so many vorefags I swear
>>23453835Cancel culture is bullshit and overhyped >>23453847Because it was seen as cheap and something to poke fun at
>>23454070Major Hollywood people have been taken down by cancel culture. You think Power Rangers will be spared?
>>23432668>>23432675>>23432685The sad thing is looking back to the late 90's/early 2000's original scenes and seeing that at one point they really did take it seriously and, had they eventually broke off and done their own original Power Rangers, it really could have been neat. Now though? Too much nepotism and political casting, too little talent. You only have to look at the final suits and cast to realize that absolutely no talent was involved in the end and nobody knew who their target audience even could be. Disney certainly wont buck that trend and probably gear it for the androgynous children that don't exist same as Cosmic Fury.
>>23434470>>23434477>>23434503Smallville WOULD have been goated if it wasn't for one insufferable character the director had the biggest boner for. Lana may be one of the most anger inducing characters in all of fiction.
>>23454452Asians don't raise a blip on their radars
>>23454642That's unfair to Lana. She should've left after Season 4 when they graduated high school. They also did Pete wrong by letting him go in Season 3. Even Kreuk didn't like what the writers were doing. >>23454452Dude you can attack Asians on the streets and it gets hushed up. Nobody cares about them. You really think Hollywood is shaking in their boots that they'll offend Asians?
>>23454633>The sad thing is looking back to the late 90's/early 2000's original scenes and seeing that at one point they really did take it seriously and, had they eventually broke off and done their own original Power Rangers, it really could have been neat.Yeah but they didn't. PR can't shake the fact it cribbed off o a Japanese kid show instead of making its own stuff. There's a great thread on /tv/ where it was pointed out that Batman TAS was animated in Japan, which is why it was so damned good. Our childhood entertainment owes a lot to Japan, but that got buried for decades because nobody wanted to admit to it.
>>23455871>>23456429Fuckin racists all of you. You don't deserve Power Rangers.
>>23454642Fucking spoiler that shit, man. I got PTSD flashbacks to her last episode just from the thumbnail. It's amazing how much of that show was literally fanfic-tier and still managed to be beloved by an entire generation.
My question is why didn’t they use Power Rangers SPD? That season takes place in 2025. HUGE missed opportunity.
>>23457835and take away attention from MMPR? the nerve!
>>23427350This has got to be one of the worst seasons of Fortnite so farThe medallions this season are too OP so you just got one person zooming through the map killing everyone because they got the unique boss drop.Better than the season where everyone drove in cars shooting turrets at you but that's not saying much.A bit disappointed in the Power Ranger skins being locked to MMPR only, they could have released PR skins where you could have different costumes for a specific Ranger color across series, maybe in the future they'll release those as separate skins.I only bought the MMPR song, the whole bundle seemed like a ripoff since it didn't include the car as well.
>>23454642I rewatched the last few seasons recently and they did a shit job at writing Lois tooSo maybe the writers just can't write women
>>23454642Was her actress part of the sex cult that Chloe's was part of?
>>23456456>. Our childhood entertainment owes a lot to Japan, but that got buried for decades because nobody wanted to admit to it.I knew that back in the 90's as a dumb 7 year old, the adults knew it too, hell there was kanji on Dragon Ball merch. Fox Kids had a special going over the history of Power Rangers once and talked about the original sentai series in the late 90sI don't know why people claim the fact was buried. A lot of people knew.
>>23453515I heard it was Nickelodeon who wanted to avoid any offensive violence with the Pirate and Ninja themes so they couldn't do anything too pirate or ninja like.Nick was also behind the 20 episodes a year limit which ended up leading to double seasons, and soddering Goseiger and Gokaiger together for Megaforce
>>23453847>what strange miracle must have happenedAmerican networks stopped buying dubbed liveaction like they were in the 60's-80's. It was already getting a rep for being shoddy product, unfair as that may be. The US footage was the only way American companies would bite
>>23458635Burgers truly are retarded
