Continuation from >>23407269Are you watching gundam for the first time? The original series, a spin off? Post your thoughts, theories, or opinions with other people who are watching for the first time.I just started war in the pocket, the opening and ending is really nice. It's almost soothing or melancholy. The main characters are children but they aren't like the boisterous children from 0079 or zeta. They're more grounded and serious but the lighthearted humor still exists. It's just not over the top. I'm really liking the different vibe. Another thing I miss from more recent series is just how different the characters look. they have different face shapes, noses, ages. Sometimes you forget how much characters in recent series look similar or have no discerning features other than hair.
>>23458765Trying to actually finish ZZ this time after a Zeta rewatch.The tone does change significantly, but it's not as grating on me as it was the first time years ago. Made it through Episode 10 which is 2 more than the last attempt. I'm actually surprised they were allowed to stick to the "old" Gundam for 10 episodes before showing off the ZZ, especially after what they did to Victory.Also Roux is really attractive to me for some reason, I hope she doesn't die. She probably does
>>23458798You will be happy to know Roux does not die.
this scene in 0080 goes hard. Was tomino even involved in this, it has an actual coherent narrative compared to the series where he is a major writer.
>>23458798I'm in the same boat but about 20 episodes ahead. The tone shifts back to being very similar to Zeta around the late teens. There is still more comedy, but it feels more like the older shows. ZZ has a dynamite cast of girls, more keep showing up the longer you watch.
Plan is to finish ZZ thursday night, then finally watch Char's Counterattack after a nice steak dinner on Friday. I was debating watching War In the Pocket, Stardust Memory, and 8th MS team first to really watch CCA as a cap off to the UC for a while, but I decided release order is always best
why did the tone suddenly shift to shotacon in episode 5? Bernie listens in to a girl drunk dialing her ex and he has a whole montage of him and the boy. Kind of a weird moment to compare a romantic relation to the one you have with a 12 year old boy but it's not like i mind.I think christina, while it seems like droning, was conflicted herself on what it means to enter war. I think it was a bit refreshing to hear a character outright say neither side is good nor bad. you do what to have to do. It shows that she was conflicted about her own choice and maybe speaking to al helped her voice her own conflict. It was pretty funny that she knocked bernie the fuck out though.What a fucking ending though. Al getting shell shocked was not something i thought would've happened. I really like how this a soldier conflicted on his duties and 'side' to where he befriends a civilian. The taped confession is a nice addition to show his changed feelings. while nothing like this type of writing is very new or groundbreaking I love moral grey characters. It's always nice to get a character not so comically absorbed on their own side and willing to change.al and bernie are some of my favorite MCs so far. it was a really nice short ova series, one of the best for me in gundam.
>>23459239War in the Pocket is good.8th MS team is good.I am struggling to enjoy Stardust Memory. The dialogue, pacing and writing of the characters is just all over the place and does not feel like Gundam.
Starting G gundam. First thing i notice is that it's the GUY i think this is one of the only characters i recognized without even knowing he was from gundam Also based op I remember i watched this ages ago. It's strange to think how much gundam i was surrounded with but never watched.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZlhyQcQ-wA
>>23459239>>23459437If nothing else Stardust Memory has two of the most banging OPs in all of Gundam
>>23459437>War in the Pocket is good.>8th MS team is good.Not that anon but I was also thinking of just starting those(leaning on 08th MS Team) too. I'm still on Zeta right now.
Are Gundam 00 and SEED worth watching? I finished up Wing recently and so moving on to the next AU but I've heard some not so great things about SEED at least.
>>23459607I Ioved war in the pocket. It's only 6 episodes of 20m so it's a short series. I can't recommend it enough. I'm so glad I watched it. It focuses more on relationships rather than mobile suits
>>234587652 episodes into gundam wing, blonde-haired girl is very very pretty. Pretty cool badass rebel shotas taking the fight to the earthlings, I like it.
>>23459738>heard some not so great things about SEED at leastfrom UC boomers who hate everything not-UCSEED and 00 are great
>>23459474>It's strange to think how much gundam i was surrounded with but never watched.I fucking love rewatching things and picking up references after I've finally seen their sources. Like I'm a big Sudafag and just reread Kurayami Dance, and they guy just names the ghost following him around Challia Bull lol. Or after watching most of UC I now know most of the gundams in that old Game Grumps gundam fighting game vid. Connecting dots like that is always fun.
>>23458765I binged the Netflix CG Gundam: Requiem for Vengeance show last night and while the plot wasn't terrible, the zeon characters were. I did like the more 'street level' approach to the show, displaying more grittiness than classic Gundam shows. Kinda similar to 8th ms, and iron blooded orphans, though I only made it halfway through the latter since it just didn't hook me enough. Maybe I'll go watch the z series this weekend.
I just finished Narrative.I didn't like it.Unicorn mechs are way too magical. even Moonlight Butterfly has some kind of scientific logic behind it, but Unicorn 1-2-3 are just bullshit with its unlimited super saiyan ghost power.
>>23459738>worth watchingYes. I'm rewatching SEED right now and am in the late stages, shy of episode 40. It's a fascinating reaction to the war on terror and 9/11. Writing alternates between high-wire tension and teenage drama bullshit which is kinda funny. I like it
>>23460254Damn, i genuinely forgot about that. Might have to revisit Suda's other games for more because i can only remember overt references to Gundam in TSA and NMH3. Also love how Akari tells Wataru her favorite is Lockon Stratos in the very next page.
>>23451464 NTA but I was surprised when watching Unicorn for the first time in 2015 (my first Gundam show) by how much I liked the Laplace reveal. There were a lot of things I didn't understand about the show and I thought for sure that Laplace's box would disappointment me due to how much of a Macguffin it was being treated as, but no. It made sense to me. But now I don't remember much of Unicorn aside from that after having watched almost all of UC. Maybe I'll watch it again, now as a series instead of OVAs.
>>23460676It is worded oddly for someone to write 78 years before Newtypes started showing up. People also act like it justifies Zeon, but if anything it just means Kamile and Judau should be in government.The way it should have been worded to fix both of those things would be like "Each Side should be treated the same as any component nation of Earth." Or whatever the EF treats its subdivisions planetside. I can't remember if that ever gets named, but I am assuming it is a country and it is a federation.
>>23459738SEED looks like shit, do your own judgement
>>23460676>It made sense to me.It made sense to your that 80 years before Newtypes and as soon as people started moving into space that some people said "Hey we should include a rule that if magic space people evolve they should rule everyone!" and nobody thought it was retarded, but instead were so scared that it might be true they chose to hide it, instead of just calling the guy a retard and not including it?
>>23459738I thought SEED was dogshit personally, but if you enjoy melodrama it might be up your alleySeason 1 of 00 is good, season 2 is divisive, I personally didn't care for it and felt it squandered much of the potential from season 1In general I found the AUs to be hit or miss, mostly misses except for G Gundam which is fucking based
>>23460377God I love Suda's writing, I hope Romeo is a Deadman is good, but it kind of looks like a return to that Killer is Dead Suda-lite style.
>>23460254>>23460377>>23461194When we have each other we have everything
>>23458765>Another thing I miss from more recent series is just how different the characters look. they have different face shapes, noses, ages. Sometimes you forget how much characters in recent series look similar or have no discerning features other than hair.This is something affecting the entire industry. Each era of anime and manga had their own trends for styles but I feel the 2010s lead to a greater homogenization and now all youre left with are very simplified, uniform character designs that all resemble sword art online or any other popular 2000s/2010s anime. Its all too samey and shows with a distinct visual identity are only relegated to high budget projects by big studios.>>23459286>Kind of a weird moment to compare a romantic relation to the one you have with a 12 year old boyI think thats just a you problem. Perhaps adults and young adults sharing friendships with teenagers and kids just isnt normal anymore, but its still possible for the two to have enriching and joyful friendships and thats the kind of relation that Bernie and Al have despite their difference in age and status.
>>23459738If you liked Wing then SEED and 00 should be good enough for you. If you like Tomino Gundam the most they will be dogshit.
>>23459738I liked SEED a lot more than I thought I would rewatching it. Haven't touched 00 in years, but I remember it being okay.
Watched F91 the other day. Felt like a strange pilot to something bigger.
i just watched 8th MS team for the first time after MSG. I enjoyed both a whole lot! 8th MS team I felt ended up being more enjoyable - I was on the edge of my seat more with the higher stakes in combat, I felt, it was more intense compared to MSG!... THe one episode with the zakus visiting the guerilla's village for food... I wish it didn't escalate like that!! Majority of the characters were very enjoyable, Michel was probably my least favorite with how whiney he was. I wasn't sure how I felt about the love plot going on at first, but it panned out well.The last episode was very endearing, and I loved the small nod to Lalah in it. It was lovely, and to see Shiro and Aina 'reborn' was so sweet.
>>23461353That is what it was iirc. It was written out as another 50 episode anime and then had to get condensed into a single movie
>>23461708>50 episodemore like 13
>>23461273Tomino Gundam isn't that good. He made ZZ
>>23461819ZZ isnt even bad and its the worst Gundam series he made.
>>23461271Anon I'm okay admitting I like homo and ship them together. It is definitely weird to listen to a girl complaining about a failed marriage and think about your relationship with a little boy. However you like their dynamic, platonic or otherwise, it's a fantastic ova.
>>23461819Yeah but he also made Zeta and CCA. Im not saying everything Tomino makes is gold but if you like his style of Gundam the most I think its likely that AUs like Wing and SEED wont appeal to you as much because they are made with entirely different sensibilities for storytelling.
Just finished Char's Counterattack for the first time, that movie was fucking gorgeous. On the one hand, it felt like there were enough characters and movie pieces it couldve been its own full length anime, but it being one concise movie made it so easy and exciting to watch. Bright's kid is a bitch, don't really see how he's supposed to become a main character. The mechs were gorgeous, best theyve ever looked, gonna go order new gundam and whatever char's was called on amazon now.
>>23458798Made it to episode 20 now. It is starting to be better now which means I'm probably not dropping this time.I liked Moon Moon, when people say it gets good after it do they usually include it? That said it felt more Star Trek than Gundam and I like the former (or at least ENT and prior).Also my crushing on Roux is making me feel like they inserted me as Glemy and I don't like it. She is still the best girl though.
BECCHA = GOAT
>>23462285People hate moon moon according to most of what I've heard about it but its fine in my opinion. I think there was some confusion around the esper powers of the twin girls because the dialogue explaining it was poorly translated in the subs.
>>23462303I have one of the original BD rips so I assume it's the old subs, but I thought it was super obvious they were just Newtypes but didn't know the word since they were isolated.
>>23462294no man who joins the opposing side of the girl he likes (who have every intention of shooting down the fucking ship she's in) and only goes back because they weren't nice to him :( is worthy of being called a GOAT
>>23462294>>23462605Agreed, this faggot doesnt deserve to pilot the Hyaku Shiki. Its weird to have him treated like one of the main pilots when he isnt very trustworthy at all.Out of all the things Bright has done, handing over the captain seat to Beecha was the only genuine retard moment he had.
>>23462728I totally buy the actions of the Shrangi La kids, having lived their whole lives on a poor colony, why should they give a shit about some feddies who claim to be fighting for freedom and justice when thats never helped anyone in the sides? That being said, I agree that Bright just fucking gives up in ZZ and lets anyone with a pulse hop in a gundam and do whatever they want. I get he's burnt out after Zeta but it gets ridiculous.
>>23463363i buy how SOME of them react, judau's disinterest is perfectly reasonable, and i can even almost understand mondo and beecha trying to worm their way out of it, but they're blatantly trying to get their friends killed with the shit they pullwhich is especially bad in beecha's case when i'm also meant to buy that he's got the makings of a good captain in him and that elle likes him when not all that long ago he was trying to get judau to blow himself up
>>23461384okay, I watched war in the pocket.I cried for like an hour after that last episode... It was very endearing, lovely to watch Al in his daily life. He was such a rascal! It reminded me of being in elementary, and middle school. I was already told the ending would crush my soul, so I was on edge the whole time of when things would go wrong. Say it ain't so, Bernie!
>>23464888al's moment of ptsd at the end while his friends try to comfort him by saying another war'll start soon really hits hard
I watched Requiem for Vengeance and I was ready for it to be bad, but it was genuinely painful to sit through. The main cast were all unlikeable assholes (and not in a fun way) and it fundamentally misunderstands what Gundam is.
>>23464888>>23465000Everything about the finale was all sorts of layers of tragedy that compounded on top of each other. Absolutely phenomenal OVA.
So I've watched Hathaway several times and I consistently feel like I don't really get the plot? Hathaway is mafty erin and he has crafted the persona after quess dying based on Char's ideals. Why the fuck does Gigi matter here and why did it affect his piloting? Are they trying to lalah her or something? I know it's a trilogy but it doesn't really explain anything? Why does the Freddie guy hate his guys so bad am I not big brain enough or did they fuck up the novel>movie pipeline?>>23464888It's seriously one of the ovas I've watched so far. I'm really glad you liked it as well
>>23464888Well, just watched Stardust Memory.It just felt really pointless in the end. It was really bad, and hardly enjoyable. Kou was such a weak lead, and Nina might as well have just not existed at all. Honestly surprised Kou could smile at her there at the very end, but the dude has like no back bone - so maybe it's just his fate to be with a woman who will put him on an emotional roller coaster like that.Really just a slog to get through, so much felt like forced drama.
>>23468055I felt this way after around three episodes. I might try again but I feel it isn't for me. I don't think I'll try to slog it through either. I'll give it another try when I'm not tired and maybe background play it
>>23467602>am I not big brain enoughIt reads like your brain just doesn't fucking work at all holy fuck man. Are you watching these shit while on your phone or something what the fuck is wrong with you? The things you're confused by are insane.
Anon is mad the only thing we learn about Gigi in the movie is that she is a new type whore who the feddie wants to fuck and Hathaway isn't interested in the bs.
>>23462285Got up to episode 38 over the weekend. Puru's whole arc was pretty good. Really made me feel like she was a bratty little sister and makes all the doujins previously read feel dirtier. Roux also continues to be best girl and I didn't mind her turn at AWOLing. Also her being the Zeta's pilot was a fun coincidence as I was building the verKa while watching.I didn't like the reasoning behind the events that led to them ditching Bright. Like it has taken you how long (and 2 series) to finally be like "let's not have kids fight wars maybe?" Especially since this was the 2nd time in like 6 episodes that they are trying to disband the Gundam team/Argama despite them being one of the only consistent groups fighting Neo-Zeon and not trying to surrender to them. I did enjoy Captain Beecha's first received orders being "take out Side 3 or the whole crew will be considered traitors by all of the EF and AEUG" as that seems like an appropriate response to stealing a ship.
>>23467602>why did it affect his piloting?Gigi is gorgeous and Hathaway is still a young man after all.
>>23469775>Like it has taken you how long (and 2 series) to finally be like "let's not have kids fight wars maybe?"doesn't help that everyone fucking knows about amuro and his streak against zeon and yet they STILL randomly decide "nah these kids? fuck em they ain't shit" it's not even a formulated decision really, the AEUG staff just wanted to look like they had 'mature adults' doing the fighting after managing to finally pick up the pieces they'd been left inespecially when their intended replacements won't even follow the captain's orders, these schmucks get told to man the turrets and their first reaction is "why?!" AND THEN THEY FUCKING ABANDON THEIR POSTS IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIGHT TO BITCH ABOUT ITi mean jesus these assholes singlehandedly made me wish bright got back in the slapping business for an episode just to hand them the correction of a lifetime
>>23468361apparently there was issues with writers at the start, I've heard. It was definitely hard to stay engaged, so if you end up giving another try - god speed dude
>>23469988The worst part is they didn't somehow find OYW veterans or something to replace the (now veteran) kids. They just found some middle aged green recruits and decided that was better.
>>23458765War in the Pocket is an absolute masterpiece, it should be up there with shit like ghibli (imo not worthy of his accolades), akira, barefoot gen etc, it transcends the gundam franchise, which I think has many masterpieces anyway.
>>23470210I ended up bypassing the show tnirely and just watching the 0083 the after glow of zeon compilation movie. I felt the movie was a much better choice over the series. I don't think I'm ever going to sit for the series now. The series isn't something i'll ever really rate highly though. The villains feel like they did nothing. Nina was an awful MC with piloting mecha = fucking her autism
>>23470423>>23470210>watching porn for the writing
>>23470432>watching pornit didn't even have that
>>23470443He means it's nice to look at, you simpleton.
>>23470494I know anon. I would argue f91 was better looking that this series
>>23461992What about F91?
>>23471567Planning to watch it, I'll let you know by like sunday
I keep going back to zeta and thinking it has great character design, scene design, the characters and their dynamics are just fun to watch. I almost feel like I should have skipped this to watch last. I don't think g Gundam fits me. The soundtrack is amazing. I might try and get a little further and decide from there after my zeta rewatch
>>23458765Cute pic.
Is there anymore aus like zeta or war in the pocket? So far I haven't been a fan of 91, g Gundam, or victory
>>23481497Did you watch ZZ? It starts wacky but the latter half is similar in tone to Zeta
>>23482113Yeah I've watched origin, 0079, zeta, ZZ, CCA, war in the pocket, f91, unicorn, Hathaway, stardust movieTried v, g gundam, stardust tv.Not really sure where to go from here? & Gundam just felt like a lot of shows I grew up with that I didn't like. The tone of the show wasn't my favorite. I couldn't get into v very much. Something about the writing didn't appeal to me.
>>23482687Maybe Turn A? I havent seen it yet but I know a lot Tomino fans really like it
>>23482687While they won't scratch the same itch as Zeta or WitP, Turn A and After War X are definitely worth trying.
>>23482713>>23482762I'll try turn a and x this weekend then. Hopefully I'll enjoy them. I don't think many things can really scratch that itch. War in the pocket was a really special show honestly. I've been debating also trying out galactic heros just to see if that would fulfill some of the types of things zeta had as well. Are there any novels from tomino that hasn't been adapted yet?
>>23482856>Are there any novels from tomino that hasn't been adapted yet?Quite a few. Im no expert but there are at least 2 alternate takes on Chars Counterattack he wrote>High-Streamer >Beltorchika’s ChildrenThe latter of which spawned the Hathaway trilogy, only the first of which has so far been adapted into a movie. I havent read any of them but Ive heard some people like them more CCA, and they all have free fan translations.
>>23482872I don't think i would count the hathaway novels because they are being adapted but i guess I can take a look at high streamer. I don't really need translations either.
Finished War in the Pocket the other night, it was just as incredible as everyone says. Gonna put off F91 and watch Stardust Memory now, going in with lower expectations but its charming so far. Mora might be in the running for best gundam waifu.
I downloaded MS, x, WFM, and turn A and starting on MS first. hopefully I like them. MS started out quite interesting. I hope it keeps the interest for me even though it's on the shorter side.>>23486306if you end up not liking it then go for the movie version (afterglow of zeon) i didn't like the series but liked the movie.
Major props to the guy on nyaa who has those huge packs of all the gundamn anime in release order. Theyre great quality, dual audio, and them being so well organized has motivated me to watch everything
>>23488931Gundam nyaa guys are great. I keep referencing this chart I screen capped from a torrent as well
>>23488965I'm dumb as hell
