To see these light, foolish, pretty, lively little sprites flit about—that moveth Charathustra to tears and songs.And when I saw my White Devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity—through him all things fall.Come, let us slay the spirit of gravity!I learned to walk; since then have I let myself run. I learned to fly; since then I do not need pushing in order to move from a spot. Spacenoids' advocate am I with the White Devil: he, however, is gravity. How could I, ye comet-footed ones, be hostles to maidens’ feet with fine ankles? A dance-song and satire on the spirit of gravity my supremest White Devil, who is said to be “lord of the Earth.”Upwards:—in spite of the spirit that drew it downwards, towards the abyss, gravity, my White Devil and arch-enemy. “Thou Gravity!” said I wrathfully, “do not take it too lightly! Or I shall let thee squat where thou squattest, Haltfoot,—and I carried thee HIGH!” And therefore suffereth one little children to come unto one, to forbid them betimes to love themselves—so causeth the spirit of gravity. Man is difficult to discover, and unto himself most difficult of all; often tieith gravity the soul. So causeth the spirit of gravity.He, however, hath discovered himself who saith: This is MY good and evil: therewith hath he silenced the mole and the dwarf, who say: “Good for all, evil for all.” Where I also found again mine Old White Devil and arch-enemy, the spirit of gravity, and all that it created: constraint, law, necessity and consequence and purpose and will and good and evil:— They bite at it, my bait taketh, there departeth also from them their enemy, the spirit of gravity. Now do they learn to laugh at themselves: do I hear rightly? This day is a victory: he already yieldeth, he fleeth, THE SPIRIT OF GRAVITY, mine old arch-enemy! How well this day is about to end, which began so badly and gloomily! — Thus spake Charathustra —
dunno why but everything char said went in one ear and out the other for me
>>23481099>defeats Amuro by tricking him into making a rock float with his mindkino
in fact CCA might be the most Nietzschean kino ever madeIt's Dr. Strangelove, it's Lawrence of Arabia, it's 2001: A Space Odyssey, it's Lolita, it's Star Wars - all rolled up into one, and surpassed, with its powerfully optimistic subtext of human space colonization. It's fucking GUNDAM and there's nothing quite the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61QGi6C2Cc
>>23484169>The Earthnoids are a barbarous cruel people.
>>23481099>office Char>Supervisor GarmaBlame this on the misfortune of your flawed scheduling>Company loses $1b in a single day
Far too long hath there been a slave and a tyrant concealed in India. On that account Lalah is not yet capable of friendship: she knoweth only love.In woman’s love there is injustice and blindness to all she doth not love. And even in woman’s conscious love, there is still always surprise lightbeams and night, along with the explosion light.As yet Woman is not capable of friendship: women are still cats, and birds. Or at the best, Holy Cows.Dut tell me, ye Amuro, are ye capable of friendship? Is not wounded could've-been-mother the vanity of all tragedies? Where, however, pride is wounded, there groweth up something better than pride.
>>23484153now that you mention it... damn imagine how amazing it would've been if Char started spouting this line when everyone pushes axis>They bite at it, my bait taketh, there departeth also from them their enemy, the spirit of gravity. Now do they learn to laugh at themselves: do I hear rightly? and instead of the infamous mother line>This day is a victory: he already yieldeth, he fleeth, THE SPIRIT OF GRAVITY, mine old arch-enemy! How well this day is about to end, which began so badly and gloomily!
>>23484574Nah, the Mother line is incredible
>>23484169>in fact CCA might be the most Nietzschean kino ever made
>>23484758Feel free to argue for something else.I am open to movie suggestions
>>23485083Dune
>>23485112The Dune is just Lawrence of Arabia but actually less Nietzschean.
>>23485083neon genesis evangelion
>>23485159Char and Kaworu/the Angels are similar, but I think Char's plan is more salient/Nietzschean with the explicit attack on gravity, both literal and spiritual. EVA leaves me very depressed after watching it, where CCA makes me feel light, and I think that's worth factoring into the equation.Much love to Anno though. Good suggestion.
>>23485207NGE attacks the death cult more head on, proceeding is an old pasta Neon Genesis Evangelion could be considered the most Nietzschean anime out there, sadly the core concept behind the series is often completely overshadowed by the amazing plot, animation and music throughout the whole thing. Many wrongly think that the Christian symbolism found in the series, ranging from its title to the usage of crucifixes and biblical names, is just there because it may sound cool or interesting.Christianity is based on the idea of salvation, that the world one day will come to an anticipated end brought by God and that our souls will finally be free from this mundane existence and be united with him for eternity. Evangelion on the other hand had a very similar idea in the form of "The Human Instrumentality Project", that the world one day will come to a manufactured end through the "Third Impact" brought by an almost mythical organization known as "SEELE" and that all the souls will be free from their lonely and painful existence and be united together in complete peace and harmony for eternity. A lot of us know right now that the Christian idea of salvation along with many other aspects of the Abrahamic religions are false, but Evangelion decided to treat the idea as a reality and explore its implications.
After a long eventful plot The Human Instrumentality Project does become a reality through Shinji Ikari, who after experiencing this new mode of purely spiritual existence, sees it for what it is—nihilism. Both in the anime and the original manga Shinji realizes that the real suffering he had to endure throughout his life will always be better than a manufactured reality where no one and nothing exists, where no events good or bad ever occur, where nothingness prevails. Shinji then decides to end the project and return to a destroyed and ravaged world.In the anime he admits that he doesn't know where happiness lies anymore and then it ends with him facing his own continued suffering in the form of "patheticness" as Asuka puts it, while in the manga he is reborn in a slightly altered reality where the Human Instrumentality Project never existed and then it ends with a monologue by Shinji about how suffering is his only path to achieving anything worthwhile in life.In the end, through a lot of beautiful Christian symbolism and a magnificent plot, the series followed the Nietzschean concept where there is no deus ex machina, where divine and supernatural salvation are an impossibility, and most importantly, where only man can save himself and turn it into something better and higher through his own work and suffering in this world.
>>23485220>>23485223All of this is fine and good, but it's only relevant for people trapped within the abrahamic nihilism/depression reality tunnel. There is still gravity outside of abrahamic religion. Plus, when dealing with symbols as potent as what Evangelion deals with (not only christian, but jewish/kabbalistic) you have the potential for people to be drawn in to the negative spiral those things represent. Evangelion certainly got more popular than CCA and faster, and probably due to its use of religious symbols, making it more appealing to the west. But I do not think it's either better or more Nietzschean.
>>23485240>but it's only relevant for people trapped within the abrahamic nihilism/depression reality tunnel.You could make the same argument against Thus Spoke Zarathustra, it spends much of its time criticizing Christianity and covering the ground already extensively covered by him before. Unbecoth of a magnum opus.>you have the potential for people to be drawn in to the negative spiral those things represent. And him whom ye do not teach to fly, teach I pray you—TO FALL FASTER!—
>>23485251>it spends much of its time criticizing Christianity and covering the ground already extensively covered by him before.I honestly don't remember this, and I just re-read Zarathustra a few months ago. >And him whom ye do not teach to fly, teach I pray you—TO FALL FASTER!—On the whole, Evangelion looks like a fall to me.
I must add to this >>23485272There is no falling without gravity.
“O Charathustra,” it whispered scornfully, syllable by syllable, “thou stone of wisdom! Thou threwest thyself high, but every thrown stone must—fall!O Charathustra, thou stone of wisdom, thou sling-stone, thou colony-destroyer! Thyself threwest thou so high,—but every thrown stone—must fall!Condemned of thyself, and to thine own stoning: O Charathustra, far indeed threwest thou thy stone—but upon THYSELF will it recoil!” I ascended, I ascended, I dreamt, I thought,—but everything oppressed me. A sick one did I resemble, whom bad torture wearieth, and a worse dream reawakeneth out of his first sleep.—But there is something in me which I call courage: it hath hitherto slain for me every dejection. Courage slayeth also giddiness at abysses: and where doth man not stand at abysses! Is not seeing itself—seeing abysses?Courage is the best slayer: courage slayeth also fellow-suffering. Fellow-suffering, however, is the deepest abyss: as deeply as man looketh into life, so deeply also doth he look into suffering. This courage at last bade me stand still and say: “Amuro! Lalah Sune was a woman who may have become a mother to me!”— Then happened that which made me lighter: for the dwarf sprang from my shoulder, the prying sprite! And it squatted on a stone in front of me. There was however a gateway just where we halted. A Gateway Beyond 時と間Thus Spoke Charathustra
