is gundam age worth a watch or is it kid slop?
>>23540698Yes.
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>>23540698It's fun and drops the kid slop angle fairly early on, but it has other issues. Still feels more Gundam than let's say, G-Witch but also to its detriment since it feels like a retelling of U.C at times.
>>23540698I personally don't like it that much. But I don't regret watching all of it. Give it a shot.
>>23540698try it and form your own opinion.
This show has no idea what it wants to be except "Gundam".
>>23540724What kid angle. The first 30 seconds are the MC’s mom burning to death in front of him. As someone pointed out to me before, Flit has the same origin story as Eren Yeager and we see that live
>>23540724>drops the kid slop angle fairly early onIt was never there, it's grim as fuck immediately. People just made dumb assumptions based on the character designs and Flit's little PDA. Grodek and Yurin have more fucked up shit to deal with than a lot of UC characters.
>>23540825Theres the whole "Gundam the savior" angle portraying it as this aspirational hero figure even though its a weapon. Its the same thing that made 00 juvenile.Tomino Gundam treats it like a symbol at most that is constantly being appropriated by different sides, so the hero-idol Gundam figure speaks to a more naive worldview in contrast to that.
>>23540839That's literally subtext of every Gundam series except the very start of MSG when it hasn't made a name for itself yet.
>>23540839That's not something done to aim for kids, that's lazy transparent "BUY THE TOY" writing.
>>23540698It was...okay. First arc is actually quite good but it gets decidedly worse with each generation. At time of release it was low-tier in terms of Gundam stuff, but has since been bumped up to mid-tier thanks to how shit everything that came after it was
>>23541303That's a good point.I personally felt like it always lacked any real ambition or identity of its own. But now I feel like it has a much more complete through-line narrative than recent series like Witch from Mercury and GQuuuuuux. Probably because it had a real outline from the start.
Its the only gundam series i've watched that got me honestly upset and angry for what it's worth.liked it alright at the start, the middle has its moments, late looks promising then shits the bed entirely.and that upsets me more than something i never took seriously like Gquxs or something that never escaped "okay" like Witch.
It gets worse the longer it goes on. The only thing good about it were the model kits were overall great (Especially for their time) and the Flit memes were pretty funny. BandaiNamco was really heavily invested in the series and was sold on the idea it was going to be the next big kid series only for it to completely fall on its face with the child/re-teen demographic they were targeting.
>>23540825>What kid angle.The series was their attempt to recapture the kid market and get a new generation into gundam as the average age of its current fanbase was getting older. There was all sorts of merchandise specifically targeting kids made for the series and the guy they tasked with creating it was a game designer who had a good track record of popular kids games. It turns out though that he had no talent when it came to directing/producing anime and he made a lot of dumb decisions like trying to use game logic for the story (Random encounters that nobody questions) and intentionally leaving gaps in the plot because he is used to game fans just theorizing their own lore to fill in the gaps. IIRC there is a post-series interview where his staff kind of half-throw him under the bus for why the series failed.
>>23540698Dogshit series like Witch from Mercury but that one is below this.
>>23541398Most of that was just the game tie In and merch.It barely intruded on the series itself. We were already used to color coded optional equipment and characters with unusual hair colors.The only thing that I noticed gave the series a particularly unusual young skew was the way a lot of promo art presented Flit with his little palm pilot thing, which really did make it look like some kind of digivice/transformation tool.
>>23541437The early announcement and staff interview puts a lot of emphasis on the generational theme of these series and talks a lot about bringing new and younger fans into the franchise. I believe it also deviated from the usual time slot of the past couple gundam series and aired in a popular kids anime time slot. https://en.gundam.info/news/video-music/news_video-music_20110614_69664p.html
>>23541398>The series was their attempt to recapture the kid market and get a new generation into gundam as the average age of its current fanbase was getting olderWell if that was the goal, then clearly nobody on the writing staff understood this. The show is being written like it's your usual adolescent-aimed show like Zeta and 00, and a lot of plots and scenarios are lifted from otaku darlings like Stardust Memory and fucking Crossbone.
>>23540698Overall the show is fine, but the worst part is at the very end and people trends to only clings to ending. So it's kinda like Attack on Titans.
>>23541549That final quarter was so bad. The way they try to guilt-trip you into feeling sympathetic towards the Vagans after like 80% of the series was them being ruthless and violent psychopaths fanatically loyal to their dear leader. The way the great master plan more than just revenge they spent most of the series building up was that he wanted to attack a peaceful society in order to create a peaceful society so that all the non-peaceful people would kill each other in a big war leaving only peaceful people to try and rebuild a peaceful society...which they already had. The way this genocidal monster is treated as sympathetic and allowed a peaceful death with a smile on his face like he's a good guy. They way the final boss was some random clone who's lines in the show amount to just a couple grunts and angry yelling. And the absolute worst, the way that its revealed they could have moved their colonies away from the cancer-aids planet the entire time and just chose to sit in its orbit exposing new generations to its radiation efffect over and over again for more than a century. None of it made any sense.
>>23541600Out of all the Gundam series i've seen, AGE has been the only one where I actively just sat through it asking "there are so many better ways this could have been handled." Even Destiny and Witch from Mercury did not put me in that mindset. They had a really neat background setting with a previous catastrophic war that required technology to be dialed back and restricted and never really did much with it. They could have made the Vagans more sympathetic if they genuinely had reasons for their fanatical insanity, like the Mars Rays directly contributing to it. >Silver Chalice Treaty is signed, yet the political elite of the Federation can't stomach having to make concessions to the Revolutionary army in having to grant them territory out at Mars. Having secretly stored vast swaths of unmade weapon and Mobile Suit designs into their secret "EXA-DB", they construct SID to guard the massive databank, along with tasking it with ensuring nothing can access the data except for anyone involved in the conspiracy. They also have a nanotech plague released onto the Mars emigrants, leaving it up to SID to progressively terminate swaths of the population while allowing them to harvest raw resources from Mars in a bid to survive. From this, the population is tricked into believing Mars itself it producing a toxic ray that is blighting them at random. >Everything is going according to plan, except that a very minor, yet included part of the conspiracy secretly escapes with a concept from the EXA-DB to bolster his family, the "Asuno's", to prominence. This design would eventually be refined into the "AGE System" many years later, with SID's remote data access causing it to learn of the breach. By this point all of the conspirators have already passed away from age, with their decedents only passively following the plot while indulging in the peace. With its programming keeping it from leaving the EXA-DB, SID instead finds a proxy on Mars to carry out its mission.
>>23541755>SID severs a small part of itself and sends it off in an asteroid to be discovered by Martian miners. A group of three men, Ezelcant, and the fathers of Desil and Zeheart, end up finding the fragment and are tricked into believing the machine to be a remnant from their forefathers war effort against the Federation. SID ultimately seduces the three men with the assurance of the "Mars Rays" being cured in return for their servitude, with SID providing a "cure" to their spouses and lovers as a sign of good faith, knowing it can simply reactivate the nano machines killing them once it has completed its mission. >Through SID's machinations, Ezelcant and the others serve it in giving its fragment the means to construct them three Mobile Suits using the EXA-DB's data to allow them to have the means to eradicate the Asuno family and their "AGE System". on A.G, the three men are smuggled to Earth with these Mobile Suits and they are ordered to completely eradicate the space colony "Angel", a space colony that had been arranged to serve as a secret test site for products of the Proto-AGE System's creations. Deluded into believing this to be the only way to save their people, Ezelcant and the others carry out this genocidal attack, completely destroying the entire colony and any traces of the AGE-system and the amassed Asuno family...save for a single sample in the hands of Marina Asuno, who had been unable to travel to Angel due to still recovering from giving birth to Flit. >Having patched the breach in the EXA-DB, SID ends up shipping Ezelcant and the others back to Mars rather than terminating them, using them to ensure the raw resources Mars has been mining are more efficiently readied for it. For a short time, the Mars Rays appear to have been cured...only for the crisis to worsen far past its previous high as SID resumes terminating the population remotely. SID would have terminated Ezelcant and the other, had it not learned the AGE System was remade.
>>23541798>SID ends up having a program malfunction from learning of its failure to completely eradicate the AGE System, causing it to yet again pull Ezelcant and the others back to pilot their Gafran's yet again to be sent back to Earth. Desil and Zehearts future fathers both question if SID is truly responsible for their peoples suffering, while Ezelcant is to desperate to save his dying son that he capitulates to obeying SID yet again. Yet again, the three Martians are shipped back to Earth to annihilate the colony of Ovan, with Desil and Zehearts fathers both in agreement that they need to remain obedient until they can discover where the machine that has been manipulating has been hiding so they can force it to truly save them. Despite this agreement, Desil's father loses his nerve as he witnesses a young child screaming out for his mother amongst the raging flames consuming Ovan. Covering for Flit to try and escape, Desil's father leaves the dying colony alongside the others. Due to its malfunctioning program, SID begins to believe it needs a standing presence to remain near Earth to keep any future instance of the AGE System from being able to appear, along with it marking Ezelcant's friends for death. Rather than just terminating them remotely though, it forces Ezelcant to carry out its will as an act of loyalty. Ezelcant complies, causing him to murder Desil and Zehearts fathers in cold blood. Out of immense shame for this act, Ezelcant plans to care for their soon to be born children...only for him to further fall into despair at his son dying shortly after. Realizing SID to be effectively the cause of his suffering, yet knowing it will kill all of Mars's population if he steps out of line, Ezelcant is puppeted into creating "Vagan", with him proclaiming the attacks on Earth to have been his doing. While being trapped as SID's slave, Ezelcant secretly plots revenge against it and the entire Earth's population.
>>23540698AGE is pure kids slop, its just that Gqx lowered the standard so much it looks okay in comparison
>>23540698It's not kiddy at all. It's a fairly generic series that reuses Gundam classic themes. There are bad things to say about it, but being 'kiddy' isn't one of them.
ITT: people that don't know that Gundam was made to sell toys for kids in 1979.
>>23541922>>23541956Are you samefagging?
>>23541600This, people that havent watched cant grasp quite how horrible the ending is, maybe the worst in franchise history (and weve had some real stinkers)You mentioned most of it but it bears adding1. The entire final fight is against what I can only describe as a Sonic PS2 era boss, but not the cool final ones, just a random mid-boss with zero complexity because they couldnt be assed to give Zera a personality2. Kio spends the entire final fight crying because he doesnt wanna use the Burst mode, because hes scared, then he finally turns it on and... nothing happens, theres no drawback, theres no limit, it doesnt make him lose control, theres was literally no reason for him not to use it to win inmediatly other than Kio being a retard
>>23541986There’s an argument I’ve seen for Zera being thematic and representative of Ezelcant mindset something something, but even if I want to subscribe to it I’ll admit it’s still cope > but like to expand on this, zera is interesting beacuse he's the end product of ezelcant's ideology and you can also see him as his son (which is relevant to a show about generations)Ezelcant out of desperation believes that humans are cooler than they're now and as a result he thinks that the genes of the current humanity are wrong and so he decides to study how to create a new humanity that is strong enough to live without conflict, this is interesting because it's an ideology that has the exact same problem that flit's has (to believe that how someone is born determines his entire character), age 3 and 4 have a strong message of learning about others and their experiences and fighting against one's own prejudices being the key to a better world, the idea of "someone being born being an ideal person" goes completely against this concept of learning and improving, that's where zera kicks in- the embodyment of someone being born an ideal person is nothing more than an empty shell of a being, he's essentially "nothing", zera has no character outside of following orders and does not knows anything about the world, which is a direct contrasts of kio whose by experiences became a strong person, that's what the final conflict of age represents>but then again this also kinda just means that you have kio against mr nothing and i understand how that's boring for most
>>23542021This is a fantastically generous interpretation of what the show actually managed to present.
>>23542037Like I said before I fucked up the greentext, even if I want to agree with it it’s still cope
>>23542042Yeah, I'm not meaning to be a dick to you. I can see the argument making sense as something they could've been trying to do, but it really just reminds me of how much Age wasted its potential and premise. God, what a mess.
>>23542021These are a lot of words that essentially amount to "he sucked on purpose", which doesnt really help when Kio sucked just as much as Zera but for different reasons, so were left with a boring villain and an unlikeable MCIts kinda like when Gqx fans say the characters where shallow on purpose because "something something fake reality something something"
>AGE apologists in this threadBan this website.
there isn't a single good gundam doujinnot for the og, the osuedo sequels, or even the tangentally related spin offswhy has japan failed us?
>>23542140Gwitch has some good ones
>>23542140You're not looking hard enough. There's a handful of Lunamaria doujins I feel are good, a few for the Fighters Try girls, anything with Secilia, and one doujin involving Mick Jack from G-Reco.
It's not kid slop but it's also not worth a watch either. I wouldn't say it doesn't do anything right, but nobody considers AGE their favorite Gundam. Wastes the viewer's time from start to finish.
>>23543850Now that I think about it that's very true. Even with much worse series like the Witches and IBOs I can easily picture plenty of people with bad taste having them as their favorite. But AGE...my brain can't fathom the possibility of it being even one person's #1. It's simply built to be super mediocre 30-60th percentile
>>23543850I have a soft spot for it because generational stories scratch an itch for me and they're pretty rare but it couldn't even do that part very well. It's fun to see what characters look like after a timeskip even if doesn't add anything but they went out of their way to show as little as possible.
ita not kid slopit's pedo bait slop
>>23543850I'm very very nostalgic about AGE because it was the first Gundam I watched as it aired and watched it alongside as a dear friend.I wouldn't call it the best series nor my objective favorite either but it's got of sentimental value for me despite it's countless flaws.
>>23540836It still feels like a Level-5 production throughout
>>23543850>I wouldn't say it doesn't do anything rightI will. It doesn't do anything right. And anything it looks like it might do right it fucks up somehow. Literally the worst Gundam plot ever. The only thing it has over SEED and Destiny is that it actually has decent looking animation and fight scenes.
>>23543850It’s my favorite. Tied with 0079 turns out. I actually proved it with math by using a round robin system of every show against every other show because tier lists are cringe. Turns out AGE is tied for first for me
>>23543887It would have been kino if it was only about Flit and AsemuKio literally killed the show
>>23545092Kio could have been interesting if he was a far better representative of being raised by his genocidal grandfather. Like if he had developed the same mentality Desil had towards fighting because of how Flit conditioned him to despise Vagans through simulations. Playing that angle would have at least made Shanalua's betrayal and eventually being made to mingle with the people of Vagan sting far more for Kio upon having his views of his Grandfathers hated enemies challenged. It would make Kio's shift to trying to not kill a little more reasonable as an over correction, though I would not mind him just hard defecting out of being seduced by Ezelcant's words.
>>23545103If you fix Kio you fix AGE, hes the main culprit of act 3 and 4 crashing and burning, they somehow found a way to do Kira or Banagher but with even less depth and nuanceSpecially since his pacifism is never meaningfully challenged, hes just right all the time
>>23545162What they did with Asemu would still be retarded. They guy who swore he would be better than his dad and a good father fucks off to play pirate for 13 years while never contacting his family even once as part of some asenine plan to turn the war into a quagmire by raiding shipments to both sides.
>>23545092Asemu is literally pointless, you could remove him and nothing really changes.
>>23545338It would have been cliched, but they could have gone with him suffering a memory loss from his injuries against SID. The Pirates who end up finding him nurse him back to health and he just ends up settling into his new life as their Captain, totally unaware of his past.
>>23545162>hes just right all the timeSees that thing; he isn't. Seric calls him out for protecting their enemies over his allies and Kio just says "lol no I'm just gonna do it my way anyway". The show itself knows Kio isn't always right, it just ignores it and never punishes him for stubbornly sticking to what he thinks. Now that I think about it it kind of reminds me of Shakti.
>>23545338>>23545389Asemu is the best part of AGE, especially when he becomes a badass pirate.
>>23545396You think it could be because he's a kid? Also, it's kind of funny how he yaps about understanding yet refuses to listen to anyone who doesn't have the same beliefs as him.
>>23545396The show "calling him out" but also never making him face any consequences is essentially him being right all the time, he just gets away with and gets rewarded for being a retard
>>23545398His sister is the best part of AGE. Should've had her take over for S3 and it wouldn't have affected the Asemu edgelord arc at all. Dude shouldn't have even had a chance to spawn the waste of space Kio since his waifu clearly wanted the Charclone over him
>>23545398There was nothing badass about pirate Asemu other than the mobile suit he piloted, he acts like a dumb faggot the whole time
>>23545478>>23545481Someone's seething over the chad Asmeu ;)
>>23545488>Chad>Son of a silver medal.>Becomes a silver medal himself.
>>23545481His coat was also kinda neat.
it's not bad, just kinda boring
Didn't the side manga show she got really fat after Asemu's arc?
>>23542021The thing for me is that they already had Zeheart to fit that role of the golden child/successor of his faction's respective crazy old man. They should have at least been paired together.
>>23545478I do agree that Kio should have never been born yes
>>23545398>badass pirateYou mean when he becomes a deadbeat and abandons his family for the sake of prolonging the war?There's nothing badass about what Asemu ended up doing with his life.
>>23550629He hung out for 10 years on a ship of just men and only men instead of spending time with his wife, so I think anon is getting "badass" confused with "gay".
>>23550655You actually never watched the show did you
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