Why couldn't he step up to be Shinn's mentor? Would literally anyone else done a better job than Athrun?
>>23541455Athrun gave him hate.Kira gave him love.
>>23541455THE SCHOOL OF THE UNDEFEATED OF THE EAST!
But that would make Athrun cool. He's not supposed to be cool.
>>23541479The show clearly wanted him to seem cool. Look how many girls wanted him. Plus, I believe the show acted as though Athrun wasn't as fault and Shinn was just too broken beyond repair.
>>23541484Then why is he constantly getting cucked and dumped and pushed around?
>>23541455>>23541460
>>23541455>Char managed to properly mentor KamilleWhat's Athrun's excuse?>>23541484>Four vaginas after him
>>23541498Now, it's just two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bAgUXdHp6U
Athrun is literally me.
>>23541495>Shinn, I no longer consider you a student but a rivalY was good to our boy
>>23541518They shit on Athrun and put Kira in a corner too lol. Kira is still really good though Athrun is pretty meh
>>23541528Does Y ever poke fun at Athrun's luck with women like V did?
>>23541495
The best thing Athrun has ever done is defeating Shura by cooming over his girlfriend.
>>23541543
>>23541455>>23541518Your mistake is thinking that Athrun had some kind of role to "mentor" Shinn, when in fact he didn't care much about the little shit. He had his own personal agenda and was in Kira's side (minus the part where he's fully taken in by Durandal's bullshit, that is). People just see the resemblance with the dynamics in Zeta, but that's there all there is to it. A semblance.From the writing's point of view, I don't think Fukuda ever intended to create that dynamic with Athrun beyond a mere superficial homage ("athrun wears glasses and is using a nickname, so he's quattro now!"), especially when it comes with the relationship with Shinn. Athrun doesn't even get the golden not-gundam, for fuck's sake.On a different thread, someone had said something along the lines that mentor characters work when they are traumatized, broken men, using the younger generation not to bestow knowledge, but actually as a crutch for their own personal grievances with the young kid idolizing this cool older guy. Char is a great example of this, same as Master Asia and even fucking Flit Asuno, not to mention examples from elsewhere such as Obi-Wan Kenobi.Athrun fails in that count because his character arc was fully complete in SEED: he made amends with Kira, decided to fight his father and got the girl in the end. And, like the rest of the old cast, the only way they managed to make it work was (pretending) to go back to square one. On Shinn's part, he never idolized Athrun in the way Kamille did Quattro.Also, at least Char in Zeta believed in the AEUG's pro-spacenoid agenda. What motivation did Athrun have? "boo hoo some crazy guy said my daddy was evil! i have to learn the truth about dulindar to protect orb".
>>23541455Athrun was lost and didn't know what direction for himself. He couldn't mentor anyone in his condition.
>>23541732He wanted to Shinn to act certain ways. Therefore it is his responsibility. You don't get to cry when your soldiers don't act how you want when you do nothing to guide them how you do.
>>23541743>You don't get to cry when your soldiers don't act how you want when you do nothing to guide them how you do.Atrhun's relationship with Shinn is threadbare. Even Shinn dismisses him early on as "some guy that lives in Orb". They fought together a couple of times, and got Talia to give him command of the Minerva's MS force, despite him very explicitly not being under her command.
>>23541518Except for K, SRW has always been good to Shinn.
Shinn just needed a big sister to pamper him
>>23542011That's what Hilda's for.
>>23542213
>>23541484damn athrun is so cool. i wish to be as cool as him
>>23541763Shinn dismissed him initially but then was surprised and admired his skills when he saw Athrun fighting during Break the World.Also, it's not a matter of whether he was really a mentor. Athrun was acting like a superior/veteran and often criticizing what Shinn did, only his criticism was completely inconsistent (going from complaining about Shinn doing things by himself and trying to play hero to -complaining- about Shinn following orders). Obviously, that attitude just drove them apart and made Shinn ignored whatever Athrun was saying later in the series.
>>23542616I think getting Savior'd was when Shinn lost respect for Athrun the most.
>>23542616Don't feed it.
>>23542616>admired his skills when he saw Athrun fighting during Break the World.Shinn admired and listened to Rey more so than Athrun. That would've been an interesting moment for the movie: Shinn missing Rey.>Also, it's not a matter of whether he was really a mentor.Then what's the point of these threads?>Athrun was acting like a superior/veteran and often criticizing what Shinn didThat's a degree of difference from "mentoring", which implies a more personal connection between the characters. Nobody ever brings up the idea of "Mwu mentoring Kira", despite having such a dynamic because people are driven to, again, Semblances.Just like the relationship between Shinn and Athrun brings to mind Quattro and Kamille despite skin-deep similarities, the Kira and Mwu dynamic reminds viewers of Amuro and Sleggar.
>>23541763>and got Talia to give him command of the Minerva's MS force, despite him very explicitly not being under her command.She could assign whoever she wanted to to command so long as they were qualified, which Athrun as a former squad leader and ranking officer was. The only thing was that Athrun could have said no and refused to fight at all given his position although he didn't do that.
Athrun was a bad mentor, but I still think there was really nothing he could have done, given the chip on Shinn's shoulder and the way the war was playing out. With Durandal and Rey telling him everything he wanted to hear, and the opposite side being people Shinn already had a personal grudge with before they started shooting at him there was really nothing Athrun could have said or done to convince Shinn to jump ship with him. It would require having extremely blind faith in people he hated anyway and ignoring the guys that were giving him everything he thought he wanted. It wasn't until his crash out in the finale that Shinn finally was willing to listen. Without that there was no way Athrun could get through to Shinn, at least not without things going very differently, and not just in a "Athrun learns to communicate like a proper human" kind of way.
>>23545128That's exactly how it's portrayed in the show. By the time Athrun gets his head on straight, Shinn is too far gone to listen to anyone who doesn't tell him what he wants to hear until Athrun literally had to beat some sense into him.
>>23542724>Shinn admired and listened to Rey more so than Athrun.Shinn never admired Rey like he did Athrun when he saw Athrun fighting in the Break of the world. Rey was mostly there.>>23545128I think if Athrun hadn't put a wrong foot from the start things could have been differently though. That said, Rey helping Shinn with Stella while Athrun just wasn't involved in that situation at all was probably always going to push Shinn towards him more than Athrun. But if Shinn had more trust in Athrun at that point, he'd likely have involved him in the first place too.
>>23545257>>23545275The only possibilty is if AA had been more willing to cooperate and less hostile. But that's Kira and Cagalli making it easier for Athrun to sell to Shinn not Athrun himself doing anything different
>>23545318Maybe they would have if the Lacus assassination didn't happen.
>>23545128Stop this embarrassment. ATHRUN WAS NEVER A MENTOR.
>>23541455It's not Athrun's fault that Shinn was too full of tard rage to listen.>>23541553>Defeat autismo with the power of unconditional love>Contrarianfags get so pissed with this that they stop pretending to like SEEDAthrunchads just can't stop winning.
>>23541495>>23541540If there's Freedom DLC or a sequel to Y, I hope that Shinn claims that he learned from Domon's God Shadow technique to do the Destiny Spec II's afterimages/clones
>>23546175I think it would funnier if Suletta assumes he did but he insists otherwise. Like when she thought his Palma Fiocina was inspired by the God Finger.
>>23546181>SulettaI don't want to imagine the clusterfuck that will happen when (not if) they add GQuuuuuux to SRW.
>>23546175>Freedom DLCSo would Shinn be able to beat the shit out of Kira and Athrun during their fight if he's trained by Domon?
>>23542724>That's a degree of difference from "mentoring", which implies a more personal connection between the characters.If Athrun is invested enough to criticize Shinn then it falls on him to either offer real advice or shut up. He will chastise Shin for one thing, then immediately slap him around for doing the thing he was just told to do >Nobody ever brings up the idea of "Mwu mentoring Kira", despite having such a dynamic because people are driven to, again, Semblances.Because Mwu wasn't a retard spitting out backwards inconsistent advice.
>>23546193I'd like to see that, if only because it would make Fukuda seethe like anything else. The old fart has a fetish for humiliating poor Shinn.
>>23546267I thought Fukuda got over that. Otherwise, Shinn in Freedom probably would have been portrayed much worst.
>>23546272>I thought Fukuda got over thatNah. Otherwise, we wouldn't have had this specific sequence, or him ending all alone after the ball at Foundation.Also, why do you keep posting old camrips? The movie's been out on home video for quite a while now.
>>23546279Ehhh, the only real humiliation Shinn suffered in the movie was the duel with Shura at the castle. Most of the rest is Shinn not playing with the Justice well and his own dumbassery which just so happens to be very funny and endearing. It makes a lotta sense why Luna likes him, dudes a puppy when he aint angry.
>>23546505>and his own dumbassery which just so happens to be very funny and endearingIt would be funny if he was intended to be comic relief like bumblefuck Arthur. After everything that happened to him in Destiny, it's a bit embarrassing to see.Haven't you learned how to behave? You're a fucking adult and a war veteran. Act like it.
>>23541455He would not sharing secrets to Shinn
>>23546505>>23546527I just find it funny that Athrun is the only person he doesn't like now. Even Cagalli and Mu are on better terms with Shinn than Athrun is.
>>23546552In all honesty, I consider this a writing failure all the way back to Destiny's patched finale. It's too tidy. Shinn has every reason to hate every single person of the "main" cast:>the attha's self-righteousness had his family killed>mwu/neo put stella on the destroy>kira killed stella>lacus and her gang defeated the minerva's crew, ending in their deaths: durandal, talia, rey
>>23546505I'm pretty sure this is the same retard from >>>23394084
>>23546738https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/23381224/#q23394039
>>23546739>trying to fight solo since everyone is too weak to help himWhat's this utter garbage? Other than Kira and Athrun on their new princess units, Shinn styled on everything and everyone in front of him. He was soloing multiple Destroys in Destiny. He's an outstanding pilot in his series.But no, the movie comes around and both him and doboroneko Agnes are shocked at the spectacle of Kira disabling a bunch of very obsolete mooks.And people have the gall of claiming the writing doesn't play favorites. Give me a break.
>Same moronic screechingGuess that proves the theory.
>>23546574He also nearly participated in mass slaughter himself. I think no matter how much he hated Orb's government he really didn't want every single person there down to the last baby slaughtered deep down and he realized that once his overall rage cooled off. His hands aren't much cleaner, so he's gotta call it even at some point while he still has at least some things he cares about. The other option is to continue opposing them out of spite which would likely just end up with him dead.The fact that he nearly killed Luna in the finale also made him realize just bad constantly giving into his frothing rage was making him and it wasn't a healthy mindset to have.
>>23546527>>23546505I think it's trying to reconnect with something Destiny lost track of. That Shinn was a regular dude with a happy childhood until the war at Orb hit a year prior. He didn't grow up conflicted with his origins over being an illegal first Gen Coordinator like Kira (never mind the massive trauma dump from Mendel) nor was he raised like the military prince of the Coordinators and the son of their future overlord like Athrun was. It's like how the movie also went back to Kira being insanely insecure, a main point of his personality from Seed that was forgotten about in Destiny.
>>23547032>Shinn was a regular dude with a happy childhood until the war at Orb hit a year prior.This is difficult to grasp since we see and know little of Shinn's life back in Orb other than "it happened". We see more of Kira's daily life in Heliopolis in episode 1 of SEED than anything about Shinn.>It's like how the movie also went back to Kira being insanely insecure, a main point of his personality from Seed that was forgotten about in Destiny.Typical Fukuda in action: make your characters redo their arcs, despite it having been solved already. Best example is everything about Athrun in Destiny.
>>23547972I feel like Freedom was trying to knock Kira and Lacus down a peg after people complained that Destiny made them too infallible.
>>23547984No one believes that.
>>23547994What? That Kira and Lacus needed to be knocked down a peg or that they were infallible in Destiny?
>>23541455Could had been worse. Domon would had worked Shinn to death and beat him up to train him discipline.
>>23548006I say former. Although that didn't happen in the movie, especially Lacus, who is still queen of the cosmos. Except she now "suffers" for Kira.
>>23548015and SRW Y shows that Shin is better off that way
>>23547972We had a whole episode reflecting on Shinn's past in Orb though. Certainly enough to paint a picture of what he was like before. >Best example is everything about Athrun in Destiny.Not really.
I forget, what does Shinn do again besides piloting? Kira was designing Mobile Suits, Athrun became Cagalli's dildo, what does he do again? Amuro was a mechanic, Kamille became a doctor, and Judau was a junk trader.
>>23548580>We had a whole episode reflecting on Shinn's past in Orb though.>Certainly enough to paint a picture of what he was like before. Phase-5? Not really. It's a bunch of disconnected lines of dialogue that do not tell us much: "oh, i came from orb", "oh, my family died because of uzumi's foolishness", "oh, i miss my sister".And calling it a whole episode on the subject is ridiculous, come on. >Not really.Yes, really. Athrun had already settled things with himself back in the first war: he picked Kira's side and even attempted to talk things over with Patrick. All of that got forgotten the second a crazy terrorist mentioned his father and Durandal said some nice things to him.
>>23548585He was, in all likelihood, a middle school student. Shinn was fourteen at the time of the first war. Piloting is the only thing he has "done" since.
>>23548585>Kira was designing Mobile SuitsWhich one did he even design? I guess he worked on the Proud Defender maybe?>Amuro was a mechanicI guess? As far as I know the only time he did mechanic work was helping with the Gundam's maintenance. There's tinkering with Haro, but I'm not sure that qualifies as mechanic. Amuro was supposedly a pilot instructor during the time after the OYW up until Zeta, and majority of the Nu Gundam design is attributed to Amuro.>Kamille became a doctorNon-canon manga.>Judau was a junk traderYes, that was before ZZ and joining the AEUG. Afterward he joins up with the Jupiter Energy Fleet and I guess does a bunch of odd jobs here and there.
>>23548590I meant the literal recap episode focused on his perspective.>Yes reallyPatrick dies in the final episode with basically no time for that wound to properly heal, and he has to be pulled back from his reckless/suicidal tendencies shortly following that by Cagali.
>>23548593>Which one did he even design? I guess he worked on the Proud Defender maybe?There's a bunch of lore in model kits that puts Kira as this top MS designer, who was involved with tuning every part of the Strike Freedom to his specs.
>>23548602>Patrick dies in the final episode with basically no time for that wound to properly healThey had already cut ties for good in Phase-42, when Patrick pointed a gun at his son and had him arrested. The whole thing was fucked beyond repair.Also, Athrun went to Jachin Due to stop Genesis, not trying to mend the relationship with daddy. And even that wouldn't have worked, since Patrick's last words were to fire Genesis.
>>23548605Customizing the machine sure, but I didn't think he designed the machine from the ground up. I mean, I'm pretty sure the IJ was never a ZAFT project and was a custom machine built by Terminal for Athrun that was based on the Strike Freedom, but the SF itself is still supposed to be a stolen ZAFT prototype right? Or did the half a dozen retcons finally push it from being a ZAFT model into being a wholly custom Terminal-manufactured machine?
>>23548620>They had already cut ties for goodAthrun literally weeps over the man's corpse following his death, and Cagali literally cheers him up in the immediate aftermath of his first reunion by saying that there's still a chance to talk with his father.
The problem with Athrun is that the narrative doesn't match the plot. As people have mentioned consistently, the intent of Shinn being "too far gone" and Athrun really not having any control over the situation is blatantly and consistently contradicted by the events that transpire in Destiny, where he repeatedly is in a leadership position he voluntarily accepted, but refuses to lead - instead preferring to berate Shinn senselessly and for contradictory reasons from one moment to the next. He just visibly has a distaste for Shinn from the start that Fukuda doesn't seem to notice is there.
>>23548591>Piloting is the only thing he has "done" since
>>23548635well he enrolled in ZAFT military school after leaving Orb, and joined up with Compass after the war in Destiny and meeting Kira, so it ain't really like he's had time to go to school to chase a completely different kind of career, or even just get a job somewhere in the meantime
>>23548627>Athrun literally weeps over the man's corpse following his deathThere's a difference between loving your old man and accepting your relationship with him was beyond repair.>and Cagali literally cheers him up in the immediate aftermath of his first reunion by saying that there's still a chance to talk with his father.Proving yet again that she's a complete fucking moron. Sure, she was thinking about the loss of her own father, but still... >your crazy wannabe dictator father shot and had his goons arrest you? cheer up! you can totally patch up things with him eventually!Even in context, it's difficult to fathom how utterly retarded this is.
>>23548633I don't think the narrative ever suggests that Athrun didn't drop the ball with Shinn.
>>23548646>There's a difference between loving your old man and accepting your relationship with him was beyond repair.And that magically makes the loss of his dad a wound that needs no healing?
>>23548647The original intended ending where everybody just poses triumphantly after beating the shit out of Shinn kinda does. Really before we got Freedom you kind of had to go outside of anything Fukuda directed to find Shinn NOT portrayed as the unequivocal villain for years. I'd like to know what makes you say that, though, if there's something I've forgotten about that actually took Athrun to task over that.
>>23548648"Wounded feelings" my ass. Patrick was an insane tyrant that was seconds away from murdering billions of people. Athrun ought to have that little fact into consideration when he feels bad about losing him.
>>23548651>>23548648It's literally this fucking picture, but at least Yang was fighting for a good cause, not actively causing a genocide.
>>23548649>>23548647>>23548633Straight from the horse's mouth (interview from Destiny Roman Album 2).>Does Athrun often scold Shinn to make him see reason?FUKUDA: Not exactly. It's a production error if it gives that impression. The Shinn that Athrun sees is a helpless creature in any case. He is an officer, he doesn't know the details of his past, and he can talk about what he knows based on his experience. He believes that certain things must be corrected before it's too late. On the Minerva, he is full of himself and doesn't communicate much with Shinn. He was involved with Orb, he faced Kira, but he doesn't talk about it.>nooo, its your mistake if you think athrun dislikes shinn!
>>23548649>The original intended ending where everybody just poses triumphantly after beating the shit out of Shinn kinda doesThey would have been doing that over Messiah/Durandal, not Shinn. Athrun defeating Shinn doesn't suddenly mean he was right about how he handled things before. As for moments where Athrun is taken to task, Shinn calls him out for his wishy washy attitude before saving Stella, Luna telling him why he's not able to reach out to Shinn after he loses the Savior, and Athrun generally beating himself up over his recovery. >>23548651So basically, ignore what we actually see from Athrun so we can pretend you have a point? >>23548661No one here made that argument, but thanks for the proof that the narrative does in fact think Athrun's to blame for how things turned out between himself and Shinn.
>>23548679>So basically, ignore what we actually see from Athrun so we can pretend you have a point?What the fuck are you on about? That Athrun ought to feel bad for the death of his wannabe genocide father?The fact of the matter is that Patrick almost exterminated everyone on Earth. Athrun ought to consider that hard fact, instead of letting himself get manipulated by Durandal with bullshit such as "he tried to do what was best for PLANT".
>No actual argument Concession accepted
>>23548698Stop talking like an LLM bot. What's the fucking argument you are even making? I'm tired of your riddles.
>23548706Why must you be handheld through EVERY conversation, you peanut-brained manchild? YOU made a claim about a character having no loose ends that doesn't measure up against basic reality and now you're crying about how that character SHOULD have acted instead. You opted to stomp your feet instead of defending the point you made, ergo you conceded. Now fuck off.
>>23548717>YOU made a claim about a character having no loose ends that doesn't measure up against basic realityExcept he had no loose ends at the end of SEED. His character was "solved" the second he bailed out of the Justice with Cagalli, continuing to live for his own sake. That's the entire point of that sequence: the finale could've had Athrun sacrificing himself for a larger cause (not unheard of in Gundam), but decided to keep at it.And, again, how do you square Patrick's actions with Athrun still feeling "bad" about it? His spiel to Durandal never mentions Genesis (you know, the actual reason behind his demise) as a reason to be angry, just that he "fed hatred to millions". It's devoid of some very important fucking context.How is it even possible that Athrun gets frozen when Sato babbles about Patrick's path "being the correct one for Coordinators" when he knows full well that billions of lives were about to be taken by his hand? Don't ask me to accept this at face value because IT IS FUCKING MORONIC.
>>23548753>How is it even possible that Athrun gets frozen when Sato babbles about Patrick's path "being the correct one for Coordinators" when he knows full well that billions of lives were about to be taken by his hand?He's horrified that there are still people in Plant that wholeheartedly believe that when he thought that was just his father being a nut and he feels like he failed as Patrick's son by not going to Plant to and openly stating that his father was wrong instead of running away to Orb and hiding there. How is that so hard for people to figure out
>>23548649>The original intended ending where everybody just poses triumphantly after beating the shit out of Shinn kinda doesThat was never the "intended ending". Final Plus was out barely 3 months after Destiny ended, which means the production pipeline had to have started before the finale even aired based on turn around time, so it couldn't have been a reaction to the backlash from the ending which handed aired yet (and they knew the default ending sucked based on that one animators deleted blog post) but was what they wanted all along. Most likely the episode they lost because it had to be a recap episode because they so badly behind is why we got the original ending we did
>>23548651He's still his dad, and was a seemingly good dad to him until the war broke out. Of course he's gonna be broken wondering how his good dad turned into such a psychopath and if he could have prevented it as his son somehow.
>>23548624The current story is that while SF and IJ are still unused Zaft prototypes taken by Terminal, the final versions look nothing like the the originals because they were custom redesigned for Kira and Athrun specifically and had current cutting edge tech that didn't exist when the originals designs were developed such as Beam Shields, VPS, the Hyper Deutrion Engine, SF's WoL etc added in.
>>23548016Kira absolutely does, in the movie he gets his ass kicked several times and returns to being a whiny bitch about things after Destiny had him as mr also cool as a cucumber emotionless man who barely raises his voice and only looks worried twice in the entire show. The only thing Destiny that even comes close to breaking his Mr. Perfect attitude is Angel Down and that's immediately undercut by him saying he was going easy on Shinn and didn't want to wreck the Zaft force too hard.
>>23548006Both.>>23548857>in the movie he gets his ass kicked several timesAnd then gets an unstoppable Gundam, like in Destiny.>and returns to being a whiny bitch about thingsLiterally a moment of weakness. Straight afterwards he goes back to being cool and taunting the villains about not killing him.
>>23548858In Destiny had had no moments of weakness at all, even after his one defeat he was just "Meh no big deal" That's the difference. Obviously the heroes are gonna win and look awesome in the end, but at least in Freedom they got briefly tripped up
>>23546187>add GQuuuuuux to SRWInfinite Chars, and they'll be playable somehow
>>23541498He didn't, though. Quattro arguably was a shit mentor to Kamille too, culminating with the end of Rosamia's arc where Kamille ignores Quattro trying to comfort him because, as he puts it, he wouldn't be a very good Newtype if he was grieving Rosamia.Athrun screwing up his mentor role for Shinn is very much a mirror to Quattro failing to do so for Kamille, so much so that TV Zeta ends with Kamille so despondent that he gives up his body to end the war, which is what Quattro accidentally taught him all throughout the Gryps conflict.
>>23548661I always thought Athrun did care about Shinn. He just does a terrible job of showing it.
>>23548963All grunts are piloted by Chars, Casvals, and Quattros
>>23549002Amuro after a combo/map attack>Wow! This beats going to therapy! I should call the real Char here!Kamille>Amuro-san I don't think that will work...
>choosing not to kill yourself at someone else's behest is living for your own sake>>23548834As another anon put it, SEED haters are retarded.
>>23548591>>23548635>>23548640>Only skills is piloting ever since he was young>No other career pathSurely, Lunamaria will make sure Shinn at least learns something else.
>>23548857>immediately undercut by him saying he was going easy on ShinnA loss is a loss. Shinn's bloodlust and belief in his cause won over Kira's wavering will and it takes a minute for him to fully lock back in.>>23549010Maybe he can switch to racing?
>>23548679>Shinn calls him out for his wishy washy attitude before saving Stella, Luna telling him why he's not able to reach out to Shinn after he loses the SavioThe two people that the last arc villainizes to prop up Athrun and Kira as infallible?
>>23541732>his character arc was fully complete in SEEDIn Destiny he breaks up with his girlfriend over the forced arranged marriage drama. That subplot was so beyond stupid and contrived. He is a broken man because he's been cucked and his girlfriend was turned into a spineless idiot-slash-damsel-in-distress by the writer.
>>23541455Too much KONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and Hirai face, poor Athrun probably thought he was talking to himself with a slighty different haircut.
>>23541739That's pretty cool bro but...Cagalli is crying so...
>>23549369No wonder he wants to punch Shinn so much. He reminds him too much of himself.
>>23549578This unironically. Maybe a bit of his dad in the mix too. >>23549051>VillainizesThat's not the proper use of the word and (you) know it.
>>23541484This opening has the most people holding a gun.
>>23550090They wanted to make it super annoying for Ocean to edit into laser guns like they did with base SEED.
>>23550352I thought that was only because the show aired on Toonami. I don't think SEED Destiny even aired on TV in America. Only Canada.
>>23550813Because they put too many guns in obviously.
>>23550852I guess Canada's cool with guns.
>>23550887US has a standard rule that a realistic firearm being pointed at anyone underage (which is literally most of the cast) immediately bumps the rating to PG and can't be aired during regular children's hours. Canada does not
>>23550900Yeah, I remember there was an episode of Pokémon that got banned for that. Which probably confused a bunch of kids wondering how the hell Ash got so many Tauros.
Did someone say.. disco guns!?https://streamable.com/fg2np>>23550953>>23550900not even just underage I think, it's also why other cartoons like the 90s spiderman gave generic star wars laser blasters to everyone, including cops
>>23549578>>23549982>Maybe a bit of his dad in the mix too.Damn, daddy issues.
