im getting in to the series and want to know what everyone here thinks
That's dumb. Just watch it if you're interested.
>>23542885i am already watching it and i think its good. i just want to know what others on the board think of it
>>23542840>>23542889we won't tell you.
>>23542889Just watch it and give us your good/shit takes so we can agree disagree before someone posts the best Basara song and we all stop fighting.I enjoy Macross, hope you enjoy it too
Delta sucks. 7 is best.
>>23542889If you want someone to give you theirs you should give them yours first. Because that's how conversation works.
I recently watched macross plusis isamu supposed to be an unsympathetic piece of shit or is there some cultural context that I'm missing that makes it okay to commit terrorism and have a dogfight in a city with massive collateral damage
>>23543728Outside of Isamu clearly being a bit of a douche, they also clearly didn't intend to follow up on what happened in the aftermath.Yeah he had a dogfight in the middle of the city with lots of collateral damage but he also saved the day from the AI and we never hear from him afterwards other than his cameo in Macross F movie 2 so it's probably not worth thinking about.Very much the OVA/Movie cared more about the characters than the setting.
>>23543728>>23543774I forgot if the OVA implies everyone eventually got mind controlled into going to the concert but IIRC the manga adaptation made it seem like the city was abandoned.
Hate it because I hate idol shit and that's what the franchise basically devolved into. I liked SDF and Plus and hated everything else I saw. Didn't see Zero or Delta.
>>23543826>devolved intoRetard.
>>23543833Nah you are
>>23543826If you don't like the idol stuff zero is worth a watch. It's the most grounded entry in the franchise, and has much more of a military focus than other entries.
>>235438267 should be your favorite then because it was about a rock band and not idols
>>23543897>It's the most grounded entry in the franchiseThe one with the floating rocks?
>>23543826>devolvedDude, this shit is Patient Zero for Idolru anime
>>23543989He doesn't want the idols to be on the battlefield or do aura stuff.
>>23543704It's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS4S88JvQ0Q by the way. If you disagree, I will probably respect your opinion.
>>23544073Yeah he's in it but I attribute that much more to Emilia. >shows up, sings just 2 songs>both are top 5 Macross songs, Heart & Soul taking the #1 spot>leavesWhat a beast
>>23544092Yeah, I remembered him being way more prominent before relistening to it (after I made the post, of course). Oh well.
https://youtu.be/8W8PSvxO2Mk?si=afqkYfQLt1jQAbZyhttps://youtu.be/SM5quxrQ_4I?si=5BUdHPDWpwq0kCKWhttps://youtu.be/b7RV7e5CaK0?si=eKrncurOn3fz1JtfCan a Macross thread really not survive with Sheryl on the cover?
>>23542885>>23542903>>23543704>>23543833I swear this is all the one person, the same numb nuts that spergs out any time someone makes one of these threads.OP, Macross is fantastic, SDF and DYRL are classics, 7 is polarising here, but super popular in Japan, personally I love 7.Frontier is pretty mediocre, but the movies make up for it, Delta just sucks, I can't comment on the movies personally.
Just know that SDF isn't canon despite being the best one.
I rewatched SDF and DYRL recently and I got the same feeling I get when rewatching earlier Gundam where it almost really doesn't seem like it's the same franchise anymore. Oh sometimes Max will show up and there's references and lore and all that. But just in a lot of way the series are presented the insane level of tech advancements and even the art styles. I know this kind of thing is always gonna be like this in longer running shows. You can't have a future set on 1980s tech and the art teams come and go but there's a whole different air to things
>>23547324>>23542840I saw dryl for the first time a few weeks ago man and it was fucking gorgeous. Character designs, mechanical designs, setting, music and story. I can see why people love the series I never really got into it. Cel shaded traditionally drawn anime is a lost art. Theres something that feels more timeless about DRYL but maybe to a younger or older generation it's not. The only other macross I saw was the delta movie and I actually still really liked the mechanical and character designs but I dont like cgi and the 80s and 90s was something else I'll always love more. Nostalgia? Maybe.
>>23547324>>23547358Yeah, it really feels like the series is in a constant state of self-fellation. Most times whenever you see a new VF, it's another new number some ways down the line, with less focus on the technicals. Meanwhile, the series went full focus on music at or around Macross 7, and pushed harder and harder down that line of music being the defining change in the world, as much as it pretends otherwise.Not to say 7 or the future parts of the series are bad for their inclusion of music, but it feels more like they try and sell characters more than the world of Macross. We get little in the way of knowing what happens afterwards of events, because they are more focused on telling their characters stories than develop the world much. Which doesn't help as the series' average episode count is getting smaller over time. I wouldn't be surprised if the next Macross series becomes a 2-cour series.All that and the expectations the series has of music, it feels like it pigeon holes itself into archetypes, when it could be so much more.
Something that kind of bugs me is the way so many aliens are handled. It hasn't been that long since mankind left earth back at the end of SDF and Mankind is pretty casually integrated into the greater cosmos. The Zentraedi were right there alongside us the whole voyage so they're fine but then you get any other race the creators can think of and they're treated like they've been there the whole time. Now I admit I could be off on how time works for this kind of thing maybe 70 years is enough to get a whole galactic federation going. But I feel like it kind of removes some of the romanticism out of it. I guess I'm just saying I'd like to see more first contact situations.
>>23547358>Cel shaded traditionally drawn anime is a lost art.It isn't. People just don't want anime to look like that anymore.
>>23542840Macross historically operated on c. 5 year release intervals, with every new release trying to be unique.The original is a classic: balancing well a story of both grand sci fi battles and irresponsible young love. If you like 80s anime this is where you should start, though you'll have to put up with some occasional slow episodes and variable animation quality.DYRL is more of a companion piece to the original TV series. Retelling key scenes with more directorial flair and much better animation. It is without a doubt one of the most gorgeous anime films ever made, and deserves to be watched for that reason. The story however is slightly rushed and disjointed if you have not seen the TV series.Macross 2 is a stand alone sequel OVA that went in a new direction and was then abandoned, relegated to non canon. Ive never watched it, there are people who like it, but I wouldn't get in here.Macross Plus is one of the main gateways you might look at. It's a stupendously well told, moody adult romance about regret, lost time, with a healthy dose of Top Gun references as well. If you like Mamoru Oshii or Christopher Nolan movies, you can jump in here.Macross 7 is a 90s TV anime about a hippie who who wants the stodgy, corrupt adults to "listen to his song!". You're either going to love or hate the anime on the basis of that premise, but if you like it there's some strong character writing in there.I'm going to skim over Macross Zero because I dont remember it well. It's a prequel to the original, told fine but nothing memorable.Macross Frontier was a very big multi media franchise for a while. If you want a combo of modern j pop and action storytelling this is the show for you. Plot and character writing are all what I'd call "solid" with a few missteps that keep it from true greatness. It has a anime movie adaptation with an alternate ending, but I'd still recommend the show first.
>>23547552Finally, there's the most recent show Macross Delta, which is kind of "eh". I'm not going to claim it's total dog shit like some might, but there's a lot of details that make you scratch your head at what the writers were thinking. The main characters solves his character arc in the first episode, the secondary love interest is more like a designated loser etc. It featured a lot, lot more emphasis on the idols then usual, and performed poorly in ratings but was saved by music sales. It's been nearly a decade since the show came out, with no sign of a new Macross show on the horizon.
>>23547571>no sign of a new Macross show on the horizonWe literally have one in development right now, with auditions for the lead heroine already done I think, the lead song sung by Minori Suzuki (voice of Freyja, main heroine of Delta), we know it's being animated by Sunrise, with a prospective release date of 2026
>>23547495One of my gripes with Delta. We have the Zentraedi basically mixed in with humanity by Macross Plus, the Protodeviln of 7 never integrated and left the universe but still had the history of their build up in the protoculture ruins. Zentraedi became basic beings you'd see in Frontier with the Zentraedi mall, many macronized Zentraedi either living simple day to day or still respecting their warrior culture and using their tech (not to mention the countless half-breeds). Hell, we even see Zentraedi war remnants try and reignite the war.Then Delta comes in with an expansive galaxy of species, that are all in NUNS, all understand the same language, all pilot the same type of mechs. There's minimal differentiating them outside of planet and species differences which amount to different forms of humanity. Doesn't help the only major culture we explore is Ragna, their traditions, ceremonies, etc. It's a nice attempt, but not successful enough and feels like it skips past the hard parts of integration to make the galaxy vast.
>>23547571The 2nd Delta movie came out in 2021 it hasn't been as long as you're making it out that there's been nothing.
>>23547764didn't 7 dynamite just casually introduce a new alien race too
>>23547764Yeah, it was nice how Zentraedi had their own language. DECULTURE even finding it's way into regular vernacular. And I understand why they'd not have everyone speak separate languages from a TV stand point, but you could make something up like universal translators with maybe a few alien phrases tossed in to sell the illusion. But really having new vehicles and styles of warfare would have really elevated things. Valkyries are the face of the franchise but even in the past you had battle pods and q-raus. >>23547946The Zolans, yes.
>>23547552>with a healthy dose of Top Gun references as well.Name one.
>>23547552>Macross Plus with a healthy dose of Top Gun referenceMacross 7 Plus maybe
>>23542840I like Macross but planes with legs will never stop looking silly.
>>23547978The fact the plot is about a rivalry between test/ace pilots. The base commander chewing out Isamu is straight out of Top Gun and other films of the time.
>>23548723Wrong. Plus came from Advanced Valkyrie, which started as a non-Macross project back in 1985 where Kawamori said his inspiration was, "The Right Stuff."
meltrandi sexo
>>23548100Get out.
>>23549218I do feel like gearwalk is a bit of a niche though. Mostly you just see it act as retro rockets
>>23549416Yeah mostly. Aren't there a couple modes? Like arms out and arms tucked in?
>>23549426I don't know if I'd say those were full on modes
Watched DYRL a couple of weeks ago. Did Max get Zentradi'd so he could fuck Milla?
>>23549549DYRL doesn't go over the romance that much, but I'd doubt in canon Max would macronize himself for the sex, it's more likely Milia micronized and stayed like that. God forbid you try and think of what would happen to a pregnant Zentraedi macronizing with the baby still in the womb.
>>23549555He was driving a Q-rau.
>>23549561>>23549567Don't remember where I got confused from on Max not macronizing at the end of SDF and DYRL, maybe I got it confused with 7's ending battle.
The take away you should get from Macross plus is that you need a machine goddess gf.
So why exactly is Harmony Gold still being jews about the original series after all these years? We literally could have gotten that arcade shmup if it wasn't for them.
>>23549845Exactly as you said, they are being jews about it. Every time the series has a chance with a new entry, or the licenses are set to expire, they come to some new agreement, or half-assed project to keep the license reinstated for another 10+ years.
>>23549845>We literally could have gotten that arcade shmup if it wasn't for them.We did though? Unless you're talking about something else you can go on Steam right now and get it. I think the whole HG isn't as big as you seem to want to think it is.
>>23549875They gutted all the DYRL stuff from it in the western release.
Haha I too follow Himel yes haha. Totally a coincidence you tourists are showing up posting about shows as he watches them haha
>>23549845It's because HG is in the Robotech business, not the Macross business. They can exploit Robotech for new projects and merchandise, while '82 Macross exists for them as nothing but competition; it's why they're always offering to partner with a third party to release OG Macross and make some quick cash, but will never sink their own money into creating the product.>>23549875Anon is likely taking about the 1992 arcade shooter based on DYRL, released by Hamster Corp. On Steam, you can get the 2024 game "Shooting Insight," sans the DYRL content (it technically has not OG content), and the shooter based on Macross II, which has no HG connection. Sadly, HG has merchandising rights for DYRL, by way of a license through Tatsunoko, so they probably are the reason for us not having the 1992 shooter and the DYRL content in "Shooting Insight."
I thought Mari was a mid singer at first, but it looks like she actually learned how to sing between the original series and DYRL.
>>23549908Who is Himel
>>23549908Shut the fuck up.
>>23549908I respect him for doubling down on wanting to fuck Gepelnich.
>>23549908who
>>23549592
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNigIFryZEc
>>23547508>its not lost people with shit taste just rule the worldAhHHhhhHHH
I'm starting to long for another Macross II, let's ditch Kawamori.
>>23547305>Robotech Ragebait0/10, Carl...
>>23555387More like every single sequel references DYRL more than the original
>>23555382the VFII was sexy as hell
anyone have that screencap of an anon calculating Meltrandi breast milk output (using Klan Klang as an example)? thought i had it saved but now i cant find it
>>23543986AIEEEE FLOATING ROCKS AND HORNY UNDERAGE PACIFIC ISLANDER GIRLS IN MY SERIOUS MIL SF MECHA OVA I'M GOING INSANEEEE
>>23555659Depicts island natives very problematically.
>>23555660If it was IRL Mao would be the local UN Forces detachment bicycle #desu
lol
>>23555653
Whatever the new Macross ends up being I hope they don't continue that Lady M shit
>>23555781God what a fucking retarded choice that was. Seems like an ongoing trend of long standing franchises trying to tie them together with meta narrative bullshit(to make people buy older stuff?) and just making everything more retarded in the process.
>>23556507I probably wouldn't mind so much if they didn't release a single series every decade
>>23549923Except no one cares about Robotech. Someone who grew up with that show is in their mid 40s at best. The show had a following in the 90s that died out in the 2000s, as the internet provided access to Macross for overseas fans. Today Robotech is just a weird relic of history no one seeks out. The easier thing to do for Harmony Gold is to cut their losses and just promote Macross, and let the Robotech IP fade away. Their multi-million studio movie is never going to happen.
Macross 7 is deeper than most people give it credit for, that scene where the alien gets executed as he is singing still lives rent free in my head.
>>23557565The Gigile sacrifice right? Yeah, that was a standout episode.
Long shot, but does anyone have the "Galaxy Memory" track from Frontier drama CD 3 (about Sheryl as a kid and Grace wiping her own feelings), or the manga adaptation of that track?
>>23557565>X is deeper than most people give it credit foris usually the case, people here just love exaggerating or being autistic about one or two specific details and spam it whenever someone is talking about it
>>23556521OR, a reboot that fixes the visual mismatches, make more consistent and solid plot and lore.Robotech have some potential, but maybe that's asking too much in modern days...
>>23547552>Macross historically operated on c. 5 year release intervals, with every new release trying to be unique>unique>using the same formulaic stuffnone of the stuff really deviates from the core m8.
>>23562470Robotech had its time and place in history, but the world of anime has grown beyond the need for such things. The only reason to want it these days is if you're allergic to text being on the bottom of your screen when you watch a show.
Hot take: I think Hikaru's original Valkyrie had the better design.
>>23562558The trainer?
>>23562641
>>23562652Oh ya.
Tonight, I remember love!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wckZcVFLU24
>>23547192>your Northern Cross linkThis is, and I cannot stress this enough, the best Sheryl AMV of all timeIt's SO GOOD
>>23562751MISA
>>23555761So fucking hot.
>>23549908as long as more people watch, I don't care.
>>23562751How many Macross girls have sung this song by now?
>>23562781Misa best girl We love hag winners here
>>23562547while Robotech was born because of the TV syndication, it grew up to become something distinctive, like Battletech that shares similar backstory, lol
Hibiki, no. This is kidnapping. This is wrong. Stop filming kidnapped alien women and forcing them to eat eggs.
Sheryl wifeRanka mutual daughteru/plaything/puppy
>>23563013Yes, I still jerk off to that Call Me Tonight doujin. Sheryl is the best girl. I need to know what happens after Toki no Meikyuu.
I have only seen Delta and I thought it was good but not great. Second movie was a mixed bag and I thought the show was better.Honestly it's the only mech show I have seen and thought was at least decent in a while, but I'm super picky with mecha I guess since everyone told me Gundam was great but I didn't care for either show I saw. I did like a couple other shows that weren't Gundam and dropped others though, so who knows.I should probably watch all of Macross in release order at some point since it looks promising in some areas.
>>23563199Yeah, Delta isn't awful, and it's all round pretty good. I personally thought it was a bit of a let down, but I'd rather watch Delta over other shows.The 2nd movie felt like an extended OVA, really didn't feel like a movie.
Are the other Super Dimension shows good?
Every Macross season featured singers whose songs were inspired by artists/type of music that was popular in Japan at the time of production. What can we expect from a future Macross that might come out in the next few years?
>>23564731We already had the auditions some several months ago, and had the teaser sung by Minori Suzuki (Freyja's VA). So this is the closest idea you're likely to get.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ7DfX2k9p0
>>23564731idk probably yoasobi shit
>>23557614Do you know what manga it was in?
>>23562809
>>23566354>19 and 16 respectively.
>>23566409And? Hikaru was like 17. Older is older.
I did not enjoy Macross Zero.
>>23566412It’s so amazing when a sophomore dates a senior.
Alright motherfuckers/m/eet up for the premiere of macross plus in South America. After the movie we go for cheap trannies.
>>23566624Did a VHS of it finally wash up on their shores? Maybe they'll finally stop talking about only DBZ now
>>23566633South America had a much bigger and more mainstream anime audience than North America. Gringos are decades behind in anime culture.
>>23566583Why not? I thought it was a pretty good OVA when I watched it.
From best to worst:PlusDYRLSDFFrontier7IIFlashbackDelta
>>23566660what about Zero?
>>23566722Ah shit. I knew I forgot something.From best to worst:PlusDYRLSDFFrontierZero7IIFlashbackDelta
How do those Macross Delta movies work? Can I just go to the 2nd movie after the anime (anidb says Zettai Live is a sequel to the show), or do I have to watch the first movie as well if it's an alternate version of the story that changes too much?
>>23567128the Delta movies do follow a slightly altered canon compared to the show. However, after seeing them, I think you can just go to Zettai Live after the show WITH the understanding of the slight changes, such as dropping the love confession, Hayate's dad being a war criminal, removing the death of appleman and changing a couple of other characters around, such as Mirage's romance being removed entirely.If what I've listed in the spoiler is too much to miss out on, the first Delta movie is only 2 hours, but it was alot of repeats and some pointless changes, like having Hayate already in the flight squadron before Freyja was even there, etc.
>>23567177what love confession? both hayate's towards freya and mirage's towards hayate? does hayate's dad not giga-nuking windermere become relevant in the 2nd movie or is the change more like a "not being mentioned or paid attention to at all" change?seeing appleman alive in the movie after him dying in the anime would be jarringfucking kawamori why can't he make movie recaps normally
>>23567189they move the Hayate Freyja love confession to right at the start of the movie and remove Mirage's confession entirely, having her say "I was attracted to the type of person he was, and confused that with love" though that feels like a cope when one character says "she gives up on so much, she probably gave up on a love as well". The change they made to Hayate's dad was weird because they changed it so that he never giganuked Windermere, I don't even think the nuke was mentioned in Delta movie 1 so they removed that plot point and changed it for something more stupid but it barely has a presence outside of near the start.
There's a coziness to everything from Frontier and before that I feel the new shows miss.I'm not smart enough to articulate what that coziness is or why the new shows lack it, but I miss it.
>>23567195What an odd choice of changes, even by Macross standards. At least the Frontier movies were different from the start and DYRL kept a really good part of the original story.I guess I'll go ahead and watch the 2nd movie now since I finished the delta anime last nigh. I'll do that because the ending of the anime is terrible and i want to know how the story properly ends, plus from what I understood those changes from movie 1 aren't as relevant to the later plot except maybe appleman not dying. If I'm too confused or dissatisfied I'll watch both movies.
>>23567467Delta movie 1 basically ends identically, you aren't missing out.
The first Delta movie had a limited budget for new scenes but Kawamori did storyboard a 3 hour cut before settling on what we got.
>>23566633NTA , but South America was always Robotech territory... because it was dubbed.
>>23567759https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5owrT8QIlko
>>23567189Pretty sure they are still doing the "both the TV show and the movie are in-universe shows/movies about actual events and you know how 'based on a true story's goes"
>>23566354Please, those two aren't even the christmas cakes of SDF, THESE are.
>>23567812NICE
For me it's the bridge bunnies
>>23568016
The original first series + Ai oboete imasu ka are pure kino. Don't waste your time with the sequels. Avoid Macross seven at all costs.
>>23568533Fuck off tourist.
>>23568533>kinoR-tard
>>23568533What a weird way of saying Frontier has the best girl and that 7 has the best music...
>>23568533Macross 7 hate is the greatest example of herd mentality in any media fandom.
Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Plus, 7 and Zero all happened in the Macross universe as they're shown.Frontier and Delta are in-universe tv show and movie adaptations of the events that happened.
>>23568637This might shock you but not everyone likes rockstars and a entire show revolving around them might not appeal to everyone. Personally my biggest gripe is what basarawank does to the overall narrative where everyone is so fucking retarded it beggars belief, max had his fucking civilian fleet stolen out from under him.
I wasn't the biggest fan of Delta, but the Walkure team had great vocal chemistry, and Mikumo's strong voice was pure sex.
>>23571155Yeah, they were strong vocal talents. Maybe the worst was Reina, but she still put on a fine performance. I wish we got more about them though, outside of their traits that exist to be explained rather than explored. We got a little of that with Mikumo and Akane (outside of Freyja, but she's a main so it was guaranteed she'd be explored) in their little arc episodes, but the other two were just there for the most part.
>>23571155Mikumo in general is pure sex.
>>23571214Absolute bombshellAlso adorable cute panda neko Mirage
>>23566633>le dbzforced meme
>>23569392Max was going through divorce.
>>23571220He doesnt have to get divorced from the civilian population as well. Nor should hundreds upon hundreds of enemy mechs be able to indefinitely hide inside the island.
>>23569392>This might shock you but not everyone likes rockstarsWell that's just plain untrue. Rockstars are so beloved that one of the general colloquialisms to refer to someone very popular is ROCK STAR.
>>23569392I'd rather watch a show about rockstars than the billionth anime about idols
Not sure what I'd want from a new Macross direction wise. Macross 7 was good but too long with a waning story near the end, Frontier didn't delve deep enough into it's world, Delta focused too much on it's mission to deepen it's cast (also just how simple it provides all information of the world).Maybe another 7 where it's going for it's own vibe that adds to the world rather than stays the course, or maybe even move forward with the idea of music being a powerful weapon, something akin to humans devolving their culture into a weapon, almost becoming like the Zentraedi did. It'd be hard though because the leap in time required would be so vast.Maybe if they wanted to experiment, they could try an anthology series to explore new avenues.
Where can Macross go with their designs while still staying true to the fighter jet aesthetics. It feels like they peaked in Frontier and then had to give up on the jet vibes in Delta in favor of straight starship detailing in order to feel more "advanced" than Frontier.Will the next show's designs even read as fighter jets at all?
>>23574213>>23574541Next show is a hard reboot, starts over again from 2009 with the VF-1.
After what went on in Delta the next obvious step is a large scale conflict that will be caused by Protoculture remnants that were stuck in a Fold Fault for 500k years. What Macross needs is a series like Dynamite 7 with the MC being a traveling musician and solving problems with MUSIC.
Sharon Apple is a hilarious Bitch
>>23574541Reveal delta was all just an in universe movie to promote mirage's lingerie line (this way we can escape delta but keep mirage's ass). All is well in the universe again
>>23569392The original series has a lot of retardation too but everyone forgets because Anno splooged some sakuga over a few scenes.
>>23574649The original doesnt have the world revolve around music and employ magic to make all military effort pointless. Can you provide examples of the retardation youre referring to? The original also doesnt waste your time with the first 25 episodes of the show that could just be removed and everything would be better.
>>23574666The original show only works because the Zentradi aren't smart enough to capture the SDF-1. Hell the only time they could counter the Daedalus attack was when a bunch of Defenders were for some reason the only thing being sent out. It would have been amazing if the Supervision Army were in the series so they could be the magic mind control faction they were always planned to be. Also all of Seven is fucking amazing. You just don't understand Tetsuro Amino's slow burn dramas. Go watch his soccer anime and learn some shit.
>>23574679I don't think the inability to capture a ship they consider to be both contaminated and possess space nukes is much of a strategic failure, more like Britai's orders were nearly impossible to acheive, even the high command of the zentradi just gives up on this and decides to burn everything because its too dangerous.I dont really care about some soccer anime that you didnt even care to name, but for the first 25 episodes Basara sings the same songs over and over and over again, and the combat animation is resued countless times until finally sometime in the later half they finally start adding songs and animating the fights. Plot wise the first 25 episodes revolve around the protodevlin somehow permanently existing inside the Emigration Fleet and just coma'ing people constantly while max(reasonably) catches an infinite amount of flak for being unable to do anything in any meaningful manner(not even exist in the same area as the fleet after he misplaces all the civilians).
>>23574666>The original doesnt have the world revolve around music and employ magic to make all military effort pointless.Did you forget the main plot point of the original (that kickstarted this whole franchise) where a whole enemy alien fleet got mindbroken because of an idol singer?>The original also doesnt waste your time with the first 25 episodes of the showit wastes time with the first 10-12 episodes instead
>>23574823>Did you forget the main plot point of the original (that kickstarted this whole franchise) where a whole enemy alien fleet got mindbroken because of an idol singer?It's not the main plot point. It's the focal point. The direct turning point of galactic history for both species. Afterwards, the series tended to include music, even at it's potential own detriment OR made the series about music to the detriment of other culture. It's a case in point of what happens to a series that utilizes a concept or idea so much that they become linked.Sure each series has used music in different ways, with varying reception, but in an adverse way, the more we focus on pushing music as the defacto culture power in the world, the more we lose focus on other interesting ways the series could evolve.This entire argument is why the series is weirdly controversial in of itself. Because they haven't found a functional blend of the disparaging elements and focus on parts whilst others get the shaft. It's why people argue that Macross Plus is the best of Macross, because it's so simple to enjoy but also because it's the last part that focused on the mechanics rather than the music.
>>23574823Yeah it had nothing to do with males and females living together and having children. Minmay truly won the entire war by herself and it wasnt the entire idea of having 'civilians' or doing things that werent in direct service to the total destruction of enemy.
>>23574864Personally i think that Frontier did this too with music being used in service to the greater ends of acquiring space magic rocks, in general they had a great deal more sci-fi in there than Delta and you could observe that technology had in fact progressed. Places like Galaxy Fleet where they embrace transhumanism contrasted with Frontier Fleet who instead relies on things like the Ex-Gears and Space Rocks made for a interesting setting even if they didnt really explore it.
>>23571214>>235712163 years old dude.
>>23575389Mother at the age of 9.
>>23566412And he even called Misa an old maid.
>>23577859Milia sexo
>>23542840Delta is stupid
>>23577859It's funny the zentradi all wanted to fuck Minmay and then Milia comes along and is like "This motherfucker right here...I am either going to kill him or husband him".
Need Meltrandi.
The major problem with Delta was that Mirage never became giant. Delta would be a much better show if Mirage turned giant.
So how does it work? Anyone Zentradi or Meltrandi can be micronzied or maximized? As well as humans?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Z1ryBN-FE
>>23579590Was there any human besides Max in dryl or Shammie in the comics that did that?
>>23579590SCIENCE!
>>23562809Sorry, but my <3 belongs to Lucy.
>>23579689More like literal whocy. What a vacuous non character to pick.
>>23579590I might be misremembering the specifics, but I believe it was stated that the 'protoculture' created them to become spacefaring warriors for expansion. These would be the progenitors of the Zentradi race.Since 'Protoculture' were the reasons most every humanoid race in the universe exists, it would make sense that they used similar methods to creation meaning the races are similar on a genetic level. Might not be enough evidence, but we also have the fact that they can breed with each other, which might entail all the humanoid races capable of micron and macronization (which we can also confirm due to not only Max who macronized DYRL, but also Graham the Zola seems to have macronized as well in Dynamite 7.)
I gotta ask, what the heck is this thing for?
>>23579895>What does that speaker looking thing do in a series about singing used as a means to stop a threat.DUUUUUUUUUR GEE I DUNNO.
>>23579900I thought it was a missile pod or something
>>23579905Charging station for the drones
>>23579537Does Michael in the movie timeline macronize to fuck but Klan, or does he fuck her micronized.
>>23575389You know it wasn't until just now that I realised the middle aged hag won in Delta, technically.
>>23579547Giant Mirage butt??!Inconceivable!
>>23579523>>23579537>>23580349I want to lay on top of her titties.
>>23580450Ha! "hey kid wanna sleep on my nightstand?" If not she crushes you. A /m/an on her bed gets fucking flattened when she tosses and turns.
>>23580486Sleeping on Klan's panties and Bra as a bed while she snores!!!
>>23579547There were no Giant females in Delta, which is one of the reasons why it's forgettable. Even Frontier was lacking in Giant Woman outside of a few exceptions.
>>23580503Dear god I would go through Navy boot camp 1000 times to be with them. And Great Lakes sucked!
>>23547324I think Macross has a distinct advantage in having always had the same people helming it. It's a multi generational story at this point in an always advancing setting, sometimes going in unusual directions, but I think it does a better job than most of making things feel like they're part of the same world and vision. You're right about it being a 'different air', but constantly trying to recapture the exact same feeling would be a fool's errand, and has doomed many other franchises. I know I'm in the minority on this but I found Frontier to be a fairly weak entry because of just how much it's trying to play the hits, it's a much more engaging show when it's doing its own thing. Delta's got issues but making it all about the fallout of NUNS becoming a colonial project and a near-peer conflict was fresh. Very curious to see if the new entry is another wild stab or plays it safer.>>23562824I see people say this but I can't ever find what people mean. Despite Robotech being a mashup of three shows and having multiple attempts at successors, essentially the only things I ever see Robotech fans mention are either the parts that are literally just Macross or the various attempts at bootleg sequels to Macross.
>>23580498I read that as sleeping in them.
>>23580565Almost everything "original" in Robotech was just mined from the art books they admitted to referencing. The SDF-2, the Zor once being time traveling humans, and the unarmored Inbit designs just to name a few.
Can someone explain to me what the in-universe explanation is for the pilots being able to survive 35g turns?
>>23581708As of the IIRC YF-24, they have an Inertia Store Converter that functionally delays g forces and applies them gradually, which is an improved version of something on Q-Raus and the 21/22. Prior to that, I don't know if anything's been mentioned. Maybe they have protoculture g-suits.
>>23580565>Delta's got issues but making it all about the fallout of NUNS becoming a colonial project and a near-peer conflict was fresh.My problems with Delta are almost entirely in execution. The concept's good and worth exploring.
>>23581757So a Valkyrie pilot has to deal with flying with continuous 3 or 4gs in exchange for pulling crazy turns? That’s seems a fair exchange and worth the whole “they’re elite pilots” status
I started watching Macross 7 and I was thinking to myself that watching as many episodes as I can in one sitting was a mistake because I was getting tired of hearing YOZORA WO KAKERU LOVE HEART but I'm glad I kept going because TOTSUGEKI LOVE HEART
>>23581758Honestly i dont think the show had time to develop an entire idol group of characters + pilots in 20 some episodes, focusing on one or two idols was definitely a better plan. But the political aspect of NUNS being run by utter fuckups who cant go one appearance or reference without collosal mistakes was always one of the better handled parts of the franchise.
>>23542889Please watch it to finish first, then we can discuss our tastes on girls, mechs, deaths and the winner of Hikaru-bowl.
Did Max ever tell his kids or grandkids the story of how he and Millia got together?
>>23581953Mylene was literally the star of a TV special where Max and Milia narrated how they met
>>23581708>>23581766It's worth keeping in mind that a variable fighter is also not the only thing we see on the field. There's still non-transforming mecha and even conventional military vehicles being deployed. They're expensive and complex assets deployed for their versatility and performance, and piloting one is no mean feat, which is probably why 'random civilian jumping in a cockpit in a crisis' is usually followed by a job offer if they actually show talent for it. The civilian coming as a package deal with an idol is usually just a bonus. Even before you get into physical conditioning, you need a pilot that can stay ahead of the machine. Real aircraft have a big enough issue with pilots getting 'behind' their plane and reacting to it more than instructing it, I can't imagine how much more taxing it is to stay ahead of any VF.More directly in response to the original post though, it's worth noting that Macross Plus made a point of showing us that pre-Frontier variable fighters aren't free of g-force concerns. I'd put a lot of the high G stuff shown in earlier entries down more to artistic licence than actually meaning to imply it's not an issue.
Did Obari work on Macross II?
>>23583005Apparently he worked on the opening.
>>23582683The irony in this statement is that according to various side materials (VFMF, Chronicle, etc) the military routinely disarms and sells obsolete VFs to civilians for ridiculously low prices. This is mainly because while it's easy to wreck a VF, the OTM materials used in their airframes are extremely difficult to properly scrap due to their strength, so the boneyards get full and need clearing out every generation or so.
