Still no Vol 102 so we're looking at bunny drawings again--useful links--https://hobby.dengeki.com/title_re-boot/>official Reboot illustration list, missing first few entrieshttps://gundamguy.blogspot.com/2013/12/mobile-suit-z-gundam-advance-of-zeta.html>scans of some of the earlier entrieshttps://hobby.dengeki.com/comic_novel/19559/>samples of the ongoing mangahttps://m.weibo.cn/u/6199800362?>weibo page of Watership 4.5, a fan circle that makes 3d models and prints of many AoZ designs. Good insight into how they function.http://www.inask.net/blog-category-144.html>another page with their stuffhttps://archive.org/details/Advance_of_Z_The_Flag_of_Titans_Vol.1/mode/2up>internet archive has scans of The Flag of Titans compiled in 6 volumes, this is the first onehttps://jim-quail.github.io/aoz-reboot-translations>WIP translation project for AoZ Reboot, beginning with Dengeki entriesLast thread>>23499534
Still the latest volume, Universal Conversion Development Machinehttps://hobby.dengeki.com/aoz/illust/reboot82/And reminder we've had a Hazel Hrair teaser and the manga hiatus might be ending soon.
unholy or sexy?
>>23551330Not sure if want
>>23551330It looks like the Ex-S is standing on it's tippy toes. Very gay.
>>23551330It looks like the Ex-S is standing on it's tippy toes. Very gay. (Positive)
>>23551536>>23551545where do you think you are
Reposting this because no reason other than I like it
>>23551630Mk2 looks better with a Barzam head
>>23551630I love the blurb for it too>GM Quel Kai /Unit Description : The phantom 4th Gundam Mk-II Unit, assembled from spare parts remaining after the AEUG seized the Gundam Mk-IIs. As its assigned pilot requested that the head vulcans be integrated as an internal weapon a GM Quel head was used, leading to the unit being treated as a modified GM Quel. The other weaponry is exactly the same as that of the Gundam Mk-II.
I really love the mobile bit CSB form
>>23551330Come to think of it, does the TR series have an equivalent to the beam smart gun?
>>23552772XBR-M84 beam rifle rapid fire beam launcher spec is a very deliberate parallel to it>for high spec units>similar size>high power>frame connection to the MS>rapid fire barrel option with a bipod to booteven similar scope on the side. Ties in with TR-S being a parallel to S Gundam, just like Haze'n-thley II.
Meanwhile in a parallel universe, the titans test time are in for a pleasant surprise for future mobile suit development
>>23553002“Team” fucking hell just ignore that typo
>>23553002Is it just a Zeta in Titans colors or does it have other differences? The one on the right seems a tad off somehow
>>23551536The S-ex is a woman so that's fine.
>>23553012It’s in titans colors as far as I can tell
>>23553012Looks the same to me, the yellow outline on the flying armor might be throwing you off
>>23553126It’s actually in the same colors as it appears in gundam vs zeta
>>23553002Kamille really in his "Peter Parker spiderman 3" arc here
>>23553179he looks kinda hot...
so in the end, what's my best bet if i want to read AOZ translated?
>>23553191Flag of Titans novel translated by Zeonicyou can read the manga (also tl'd by Zeonic) too but it's definitely a companion to the novel rather than a fully independent adaptation.Traitor to Destiny has a novel and incomplete manga but neither has a translation but it's a largely unrelated and just shares the AoZ title. Mace of Judgement manga is a sort of spin-off to that but AFAIK it only has an incomplete and kinda shitty translation. Black Rabbit had a Dream (manga only) had the first volume translated by /u/ of all people a few years back, recently Crossbone Scanguard picked up where they left off and are working through it. It currently has 6 volumes and is on hiatus but there's talk of that changing so we'll see where we go from here and how scantalators respond.
I love AoZ but sometimes shit definitely goes overboard.
>>23553248I love AoZ and it can never go too far. Honestly this one isn't that excessive anyway, it's just an idea of how Recon Hrairoo would look in MS form whereas right now we don't even know if it can do that. But even so, this isn't much different from Full Armor Advanced Hrairoo, just >replace chest Winch Cannon with Fiver's nose>rear Weapon Container with a radome>shield boosters with extra thrusters with Advanced Binder Unitsthrow in the big radome belowThe former two are arguably less bulky, if anything.
>>23553248The beauty of AoZ is that it goes only as far as you want it to be.
>>23553213I kinda wonder if this should get reformatted a little and reposted at the start of every thread
PSA: the EW bootleg Kehaar II parts come packaged with the Kehaar II rifle. So you don't need to buy it separately if you want to build a lineart accurate Kehaar II.Pretty cool, but I wish I knew that before buying more rifles. Oh well, more Hazel rifles to go around I guess.
>>23553644oh dang, that explains the price for sure. Been tempted to get this since learning to love Asshimar. Wouldn't have guessed it comes with the beam launcher, it's not shown on most pics.
>>23553793The bootleg. Explicitly the bootleg. The official bandai model doesn't have that rifle, and in fact no bandai mold of it exists still. Only the bootleg.
>>23553808yeah yeah I knowstill surprised because the parts lineup looks like this
>>23551630And why did it take them THIS long before thinking of doing a full-on GM'ed 178?
>>23553248I love this thing to death
>>23553259I imagine facing this thing would look kinda like fighting Balteus in ACVI, just a shower of missiles
>>23551330Needs hard points and then it would be golden
RX-178 Gundam Mk-II Rah II Hrair (Titans colors)
>>23551330lack of feminine waist just makes this look like a buff dude wearing heels
>>23551330I'm a fan but I think it'd be a lot better if the foot and back of the calf section on the legs were removed
>>23554247Pharact's shoulders are basically Hrududu but the Zeong skirt has no business working so well
>>23553644Where can I get one of these? Ali Express?
Wet Barzam...
Goodness gracious I'm in love
>>23555504This is cooler than a solid 75% of the official attachments, damn. Love it.
>>23555504SIck.
>>23555504This should be the default beam rifle for any of the barzam variants, either as a main or a side for the more extreme variants
Is there any definitive statements that AOZ is not canonical by the authors? I recall seeing a link on here somewhere saying something along the same lines
>>23555776my best advice to you is to stop thinking about canon, because Japan broadly doesn't give a fuck. Piece together what you like.
>>23555776First off, Japan doesn't really do "canon or "non-canon", everything is canon unless explicitly said. SEcond, AoZ was always intended as "mainline canon", fits seamlessly into UC and gets referenced by a ton of other works. Why would you think it's not canon?
>>23555776None whatsoever, in fact Fujioka is on record called Reboot official.
>>23555793Everything that goes through Bandai is "official." Official just means not a fan work. Thunderbolt is official.
>>23555776>1Canon isn't real.>2It's canon.
>>23555803It helps that AoZ doesn't step on any toes like Thunderbolt or Origin. Although I wonder if other designers find the tech tree contentious. Like what if Izubuchi doesn't agree on the lineage leading up to the Jegan? Although if he has a problem that's on him for not going into the minute details like Fujioka.
>>23555813They just make it. That's the entire point. There's no canon, no artists give a shit, everyone knows they're just making their own work based around someone else's work.
Simply because a large amount of the MS are too far advanced for the time period they're in and stretch the suspension of disbelief by existing
Could I get a link to that?
>>23555871No they're not. You would know this if you understood the material.
>>23555871Everything Scirocco made took a huge dump on everything the TTT could actually field albeit.
>>23555871Everything in AoZ is at or below Zeta tech level
TR-6's Composite Shield Boosters are dramatically beyond anything in the time period on their own. AoZ likes I-Fields too much. Sentinel did too, but AoZ goes further.
this conversation pops up every few threads and absolutely fucking nothing of value is ever said. You think it doesn't fit? Then it doesn't fit for you, simple as that. Nothing more to discuss.
>>23556598Tbh I think that's a good point. How many Zeta era MS even have I-fields? I don't think even The O or Qubeley have it.
>>23556683Ex-S has a smaller and more compact one
>>23555776
>>23555776>This work "Gundam Inle" is an official extra to the animated work "Mobile Suit Z Gundam" by Sunrise and Dengeki Hobby Magazine/WEB.
It'd be cool if there was an Advanced Asshimar and it mixed parts from [Kehaar] and [Danda-Chakra]
>>23553814Thanks for the heads up, was keeping an eye on it myself but now I think I'll grab one for sure.
>>23556598>>23556683ZZ has one in the chest (I think it gets a second one in FA form?) sentinel has one too, doesn't rose boy's Zaku III have a full body field too? Geymalk might also have one, I forget
>>23556850El Abominación...
>>23556938Only FA ZZ has one in animation, and it's often discarded in technical specs to just be Biosensor shenanigans. Bandai flipflops on whether it does or not. If you remove it, no actual MS-sized machines in the whole era had I-Fields until Sentinel decided the Ex-S could have one.
>>23556961And Ex-S having one was the outlier for about 20 years. And the first animated machine unambiguously, consistently stated to have an I-Field, the V2A, doesn't ever use its at all. Other I-Fields get weird treatment too, like Kshatriya's binders getting slashed through despite having I-Fields which never do anything. It blocks one shot to the chest, but never anything else despite the binders explicitly having I-Fields. Not even Penelope and Xi got I-Fields, and they're actively using the fucking things to fly, but here's other machines retconned in to have I-Fields on their shields.
>>23556941eigagh I like itadding small wings is a really neat way of giving the MA mode a different silhouette while retaining the style
>>23556683It used to be just the Ex-S Gundam having tiny I-fields to protect the chest and on the reflector incom for bouncing beams, but they've started backporting I-fields into other Zeta era stuff. The Zeta Define manga introduces an new full armor equipment package for the Zeta Gundam intended to help it fight the Psycho Gundam, and it includes I-field generator for protection against the Psycho's scattering beams. UC Engage also had a "totally not canon" crossover episode where Kamille's Zeta was given an I-field emitting claw weapon.>>23556938The ZZ stuff is arguable. In dialogue, Astonaige specifically calls it anti-beam coating, but the visual effect in battle is definitely more I-field barrier than ABC and stands up to a ridiculous level of punishment. It doesn't help that biosensor could also contribute to blocking beams which only muddles it more.>doesn't rose boy's Zaku III have a full body field too? Geymalk might also have one, I forgetDunno about the Geymalk, but Mashmyre's Zaku III blocking beam event is definitely biosensor shenanigans, not a conventional I-field.
>>23556979>Other I-Fields get weird treatment too, like Kshatriya's binders getting slashed through despite having I-Fields which never do anything.Marida blocks the Unicorn's beam saber in the first fight they had with each other using that I-field. But yes, she fails to use the I-field barriers later as if she forgot they existed. It would have been a good idea to at least try to block the Banshee's beam magnum shot with them.
>>23556979>Not even Penelope and Xi got I-Fields, and they're actively using the fucking things to fly, but here's other machines retconned in to have I-Fields on their shields.Well, combat grade I-field seems to be a difficult thing to achieve. Minovsky levitation like that used by White Base, Apsalus, etc is also I-field but it cannot deploy the minovsky craft as an anti-beam barrier to protect itself. Similarly, it seems that the minovsky craft and using beam weapons in general is not potent enough to cause ECM or jamming effects simply because they revolve around minovsky particles.
fiddled around to figure out what I could do with the rest of the Tri-Booster if the secondary thrusters do end up on a multi-connector pod like on [Barghest].Tentative name is "Missile Booster", the idea is replacing the additional thrusters with missiles provides a lot of firepower while still being more mobile than a standard backpack. It doesn't have as much thrust and it's still difficult to control, but mechanical performance is more stable.
>>23557238The EZZ has anti beam coating, which is consistently repeated in basically every source, but it has also been stated (occasionally, like the original MG kit manual) to have an I-Field. It either has both or just ABC, depends on the source. Most games don't give it the I-Field though and it's not often repeated anymore. Guess we'll see with the ver Ka manual if it has anything to say.
he just looks more soulful with the Mk1 parts
>>23557399*sheAnd respectfully disagreed, but both are great really.
>>23557401nah man just nahleave the Mk2 parts for the Queenlygive Mk1 the respect it deserves
>>23557406>give Mk1 the respect it deservesI am. It's just that Mk-II deserves more.
>browsing artworks for inspiration to fuck around with my AoZ kits>come across the Hyzenthlay Rah II with quad winch cannons + Bigwig cannon + Gaplant booster>get sad againThis guy deserves so much more than the fucking napkin doodle Fujioka gave him.
>>23557414She got a frontal lineart too at least. And at least she showed up in Reboot on Dengeki, the Hazel Rah cannon-type only exists in Inle background mecha and Fujioka's twitter.
>>23557419>the Hazel Rah cannon-typewho?
>>23557423You can see her second from the top on the right column in that pic, under the Messala booster type.Here's a more souped up version too.
>>23557423In the back here using Hrududu Plus
>>23557423And here in kit form from the man himself.
>>23557427It's always bugged me the whole assembly of the blade unit rifle plugs in on these forms. I feel like it'd look a lot cooler if it was just the barrel extension. It's just a bit silly a beam emitter plugs into a another block that fits over the rear end of the rifle that then still has its own beam emitter (?) despite being designed to plug into a rifle itself. It's so much sillier than it should be.
>>23558046Not sure if I'm following. It's a souped up version of the sniper long rifle, just more versatile. The long barrel amplifies output and the stock balances it out, plus can connect to the suit directly. Using it as a beam rifle upgrade means it has similar basic handling and proven reliable central structure, sensors and so on. Alternatively they can be attached to a smaller central joint/beam emitter made of standardized parts which is smaller and lighter than an entire rifle but can't be held in hand or have a replaceable E-Pac.
>>23558102>The long barrel amplifies output and the stock balances it outActually, it's the stock piece that is the amplifier specifically. The barrel components in gundam (and for the long rifle) are really about sustaining fire/tolerance for higher output. Which kinda ties into...>plus can connect to the suit directly.Yeah it's the mechanisms surrounding this part I find a bit dumb.The gun form is cool, no problems there really. But the amplifier plugs into a barrel for a beam/gun sabre which then allows the barrel, slid down to the amplifier with no gun, to now fire? It's a big silly that the stock amplifier is involved in this part of the process. It's like Strike Freedom's guns. Now these are beam rifles obviously, but if you imagined this was a real gun for a second maybe you can start to see why I find it silly. It's specifically because either the whole amplifier stock is actually another section of beam rifle barrel atop being an amplifier to make this happen, or it's pulling energy to its own emitter it also has hidden within the amplifier only to plug into the barrel.Either answer is its own silliness I don't care for, particularly when the barrel could just plug right into the Hrududu port and avoid any of it.It's a smaller concern but I personally like the look of the Hrududu's blade rifles being a bit shorter/think they're overly long, but it's how the stock fits into the equation that touches on a particular point of autism for me.
>>23558121Pretty sure reboot describes barrels as the amplifiers but I could be misremembering. Doesn't change much in the end really.Either way by having the whole thing integrated together with its own beam emitter rather than depending on Hrududu's emitter it can be used on other things too, versatility is the whole selling point. Meanwhile the connection port still lets it get more power to enhance output.
Kehaar II has arrived in gbo2, it looks great and that we’re getting more hazel variants
>>23558302Love to see it, even if the implementation is a bit flawed but what isn't in GBO2.
>>23557208The head crest and the feet are fugly
>>23557244I thought the whole point of the beam magnum was overpowering I fields. And wasn't she in the Repair variant when she got magnum'd? Who knows if it still had field emitters, they couldn't even give it proper beam guns
>>23557316Weld the missiles to the launcher and use their rocket engines for thrust. Oprionally, remove the warheads
>>23558302>>23558303Year 2025 and GBO2 is still the "best" gundam game, how the fuck did this happen? It's one of the worst feeling games I've ever played
>>23558341They just don't really give a fuck since GBO2 still makes good money, especially in Japan which still is the only market they sincerely care about. Speaking of, I'm told Extreme VS is a genuinely good game if you like the genre but they didn't even attempt to market that in the west so it doesn't really matter how good it is.
>>23558302>HG bootleg parts>now Kehaar II in GBO2donut bros eating good
>>23558302>>23558303I don't play GBO but it's always nice when niche suits are implemented if only to see how they're supposed to operate.
>>23558547Sometimes they're even kinda-sorta accurate! Sometimes... not so much.
hmmmm
>>23558723Cool idea, but you've lost the waverider so now you're left with a bunch of pointless transformation mechanisms and a funny looking shield. At this point it's just a high-output MkII with a biosensor. Speaking of which, I know the FAZZ doesn't have transformation mechanisms, but is there a budget non-transforming zeta?
>>23558726Waverider is a great too for mobility and versatility, but it's not truly integral to what defines Zeta as an all-terrain assault MS, hence you have things like the Prototype and MP Type which don't have a transformation at all or two different Full Armors that can't transform either. I imagine here the idea is it could be enhanced with Titan-proprietary parts but the entire torso structure is very involved and too difficult to replace.
>>23558302Correction, I meant woundwort variants
>>23558730>but it's not truly integral to what defines Zeta as an all-terrain assault MS??? waverider is the only reason the zeta can descend to earth unassisted and also fly in the atmosphere>hence you have things like the Prototype and MP Type which don't have a transformation at all or two different Full Armors that can't transform eitherneither of those are "all terrain assault MS". the proto zetas are engineering validation units because they wanted to test different heads and control issues with the body. the FA ground type is literally optimized for use on earth against a specific enemy.
>>23558951Based on the development timelines and descriptions we have Anaheim rolled out the Proto Zeta before the Mk-II theft - and they began reworking the concept into a transformable machine after it was proven possible with newly acquired movable frame tech plus Kamille's ideas with Methuss somewhere along the way serving as practical verification.In other words, the transformation system was only implemented because it was re-evaluated mid-development. It, well, transformed the concept from simply "versatile high spec MS for use on Earth and in Space" into "variable MS capable of independent atmospheric entry and flight AND space combat". If that didn't work out the Zeta would have probably been more similar to Hyaku Shiki. Incidentally you can also contrast the development process here:>Delta Gundam -> transformation failure > redesigned into non-variable Hyaku Shiki>Proto Zeta Gundam -> transformation reevaluation -> finalized as variable Zeta GundamThis can be seen in its other operational principles too. Waverider is invaluable because it enhances Zeta's performance and opens up completely new tactics, but it's not utterly integral to Zeta's combat doctrine despite the final design being built all around it. Compare to Asshimar, which doesn't really have much going for itself if you take away the transformation, it's just bigger and admittedly tougher but still very plain ground unit.Whereas Zeta has things like the hyper mega launcher to enable high power sniping missions or different options for the arm launchers. Of course the versatility also extends to the transformation with things like Waveshooter and so on. But the most important feature is just plain excellent performance owing to its high power output plus excellent maneuverability and agility. Take away the Waverider and it's obviously greatly diminished, but a lot of what makes Zeta "Zeta" still remains.
>>23558302I snooze. Waiting for the best TR-6.
>>23558996ah, so you are saying the zeta project was just for a high spec MS and was never about transformation in the first place
>>23559065Not so much never about it but rather it was considered "nice to have" rather than the focal point of the whole dang thing, at least until it was proven to be REALLY nice to have. Admittedly sources do somewhat vary on that, with some stating the goal was "new generation high spec MS" and while other specifically being about a transforming MS. But a lot of these things are kinda up in the air, the scope of Zeta Project varies from ending at Zeta itself to encompassing all of its variants, ZZ and S or even retroactively throwing in Rick Dias and adding in Nemo and Marasai for good measure. Basically ranging from "just Zeta itself" to "basically everything Anaheim made from UC 0085 to 0088".
>>23559028[GM II], [Hizack II] and [Gaplant II] are my favourite TR-6'es, followed by [Hazel II]s and [Barzam II].
Huh, I didn't know the 4 nozzles on the Kehaar II's shoulder turbines were beam cannons
>>23560087Took me by surprise too but sure enough they are labeled as beam guns. Seem to be scattering beams like on the shields, primarily for self defense, but oh well.
>rewatching Gundam Unicorn for the first time since it came out>realize the Banshee has a shield booster equipped with an I-field and beam cannonWas this too part of the TR Plan?10 years on and the Banshee is still the cooler Unicorn and Riddhe is still the best character. Didn't dislike it as much on this rewatch. I think it's probably because I've accepted 95% of Gundam is garbage so I'm less invested in Unicorn's place in the timeline. The contents of LaPlace's Box is still stupid, but once you realize this story was written by the Japanese, people who would rather chop their own heads off with a katana than rock the boat (especially politics wise), you start to get where it's coming from.
>>23560405Ignoring all the stupid shit in your reply, Unicorn in general seems to take after TR Plan in the sense it has a range of specialized optional equipment for different situations, though naturally it's much lesser extent than what TR Plan envisioned. The shield booster could be also tied to Mk-V and similar things.
>>23558996What's the current status of Kamille's congributtions to the project? In the original show he pretty much designed the Zeta from scratch on the back of a napkin, but I'm pretty sure that's been changed
>>23560097I've always wondered what the big circles on the shoulders are. They LOOK like I-field generators, but the drawings imply they have something to do with ghe flight system. Are they intakes or nozzles? They're coveref up in flight mode. Do they fly using I-fields like the Xi?
>>23560686Side materials and data books have been describing him as contributing to the project rather than making a whole ass cutting edge MS by himself since I think like a year or two after the show, possibly less. It never made much sense a 17 year kid drafted the whole thing in like 2 months tops in between fighting for his life on the frontline.
>>23560686He does mention he based it on the mk2 and Rick Dias in the show.>I designed it after the Mk. 2 and the Rick Dias and added new armor.(episode 6)But, yeah, the official word now completely ignores what's actually shown in the tv series and just says he helped with finalizing the transformation mechanism.I guess because you couldn't have all these Proto-Zetas or other designs that are said to be related to the Zeta if it had been actually designed during the show by Kamille.
>>23560690They're thermonuclear jet engines, and they're still poking out in MA mode too.Minovsky Craft system just couldn't be miniaturised for MS use at this point. There were attempts using Rosette as the test unit but there's a reason it ultimately just has huge hover unit instead. TR Plan uses a standardized version of Psycho Gundam's Minovsky Craft as the Daedalus Unit, but that's still goddamn huge. It's that giant sphere behind Queenly and Gigantic Form.
>>23560414>Beam magnumExtremely specialized tool overkill on most targets, very limited munition>ShieldIt's got an I-field and nothing more, I think it only flies around due to psychroframe magic, it's not a design feature of the MS itselfWe can also add in the gear from the other two, but that's only>Armed Armor BS (the beam gun)Not sure what this is meant for since beam magnum is already the "big fuckoff gun" option. Supposedly it helps aim better but newtype hax already means aimbot so...>Armed Armor VN (The claw)Exists entirely for roleplaying purposes and does nothing a simple beam saber wouldn't doThere's also Phenex's tail shields but Phenex relies so heavily on magic bullshit that trying to explain anything about it is just handwaved by "it's wizardry"
>>23560722>Beam Magnumnitpicking really but it's limited not so much by ammo but by heat management, the mag size can't be bigger because the barrel can't withstand more consecutive shots. Reloading gives it a moment to cool down.Also space for option equipment like a bayonet or the option launcher.>ShieldYeah, the shield funnels were an unforeseen phenomenon rather than intended function. The I-Field has limited coverage and the main purpose is protection while shifting into NT-D.>AA BSBeam smart gun using sensors linked to psycommu for more accurate data gathering and predictive tracking, not as overwhelmingly destructive as Magnum but better for long combat>AA VNfar more destructive than a simple beam saber, all the while avoiding collateral damage common to beam weapons>AA HJbeeeg beam halberd with more range and more power than other melee weapons of the era. Tip can be used as bayonet for the Magnum>AA XCSub-generator plus increases psycommu sensitivity, reducing the requirement to activate NT-D. Cyber Newtype fuckery is involved.>AA DEBoosters and mega particle cannon added to the shield.
>>23556850>>23556941>>23557208But the Anksha already exists
>>23561455That's like looking at Zeta Plus and saying "But the ReZEL already exists"
>>23559028I wonder what version they’ll use, the one you posted or this guy?
>>23561521But what he posted isn't a [Hazel II] variation...
I wonder if the delays with new Reboot volumes have to do with Fujioka wanting to get back to the manga. If so it's only to be expected there's delays, which is fair. I wonder if the art will match his old artstyle and if he'll redraw the simplified chapters.
>>23561757I really don't see how the manga would be possible unless he only does storyboarding. Most mangaka kill themselves from overwork to keep a schedule, and they aren't stroke victims
>>23561523I might’ve been greatly mistaken
Waow.... ;3
>>23551330I think Zues Silhouette legs would have looked better desuOr II-Rah with Zues Silhouette legs ..
>>23563453ewwww no
>>23563454I have brain worms for Zeus Silhouette legs, I want to put them on everything
>>23559028This one gives off ‘late for school, toast in mouth’ vibes
>>23563469It's an usagi after all.
>tags: facemask, shoulder gloves, knee-high socks
>>23563453I love this thing, it's basically an AoZ design in CE
I'm kind of fascinated by the short barrel Sayaad rifle we see on Asshimar Rah ground attack type. Mostly how it could be used by another suit and how the beam saber in the back would function more like a long-hilted sword or a short spear compared to the usual length.
>>23563541Seems a bit pointless, usually when shortening guns you make the stock shorter, not the barrel
>>23563545it's compact and doesn't get in the way when attached underneath Asshimar the way a long barrel / short stock wouldand besides it kinda misses the point if you cut off the entire rear end with the beam saber and everything
Zeta if it was good
>>23565185That's hot.
>>23565185Is this how MS are made?
>>23565185I can see now why people are saying that AoZ stuff is "dramatically beyond anything in the time period on their own".
>>23565374That's just Advance of Zeta. But one of the weird sidestories.
>>23565381yeah Traitor to Destiny's spin-off thingieZaku Zeta and Hyaku Shitty are inspired thoughand Barzam with a Gundam head is something that could totally happen any day now
>>23565382>and Barzam with a Gundam head is something that could totally happen any day nowI'd call it Hazel Hrair.
>>23565390I'd call it Barzam II
>>23565382>Barzam with a Gundam head is something that could totally happen any day nowoh, I thought the joke that was it's sorta the inverse of the refined barzam which is mostly Mark II limbs with barzam head (I know the feet/torso are different and isn't an exact copy of the Mark II)
>>23565374That’s twisted
>>23565851What gun is that?
Creature beloved by God>>23566111good old Mk-II rifle with grenade launcher
>>23566123wonder what the bottom right one is?
Holy shitthe "Zeon submarine" worker pod thing from the Drum Frame deep dive isn't just a wacky vaguely Oggo-shaped original creation
>>23566400it's a DEEP cut
>>23566926How the tables have turned
this, too, is TR Plan
>>23567118I like Short Shoulder Jimmygun, but I'm not a fan of Cyclops' style monoeye.
>>23567127I'm sorry you feel that way...
>>23567391Seriously, they could just slap a Barzam-styled head on them. That's an underexplored way to make MS Titans like. Going with a visor like Advanced Hazel is pretty cool too.Though the coolest option is obviously to do what Advanced Galbaldy did with its GM based head.
>>23567428Nah. New thing good.
>>23567118I love the jamesgun but shouldn’t it have been a Javelin in Crossbones?
>>23567437sometimes going for an older model is the better choice
>>23567444He’s so tiny & cute ..
>>23567454ngl there's a huge untapped niche for mobile suit plushies
>>23567457Hands only
>>23567437Jamesgun and Javelin are close enough to each other.Also Short Shoulder specifically was usually used to quell the riots in colonies. It didn't need Javelin improvements for space combat.
>>23567477I just thought they just stopped making them before UC 150 and switched over to only javelins, I guess short shoulders are just a fair bit older than when the story actually takes place
>>23567486I'd imagine that there's a shitton of Jamesguns after a 30+ years of production. I think in the time of Victory it was still the most common MS of EFF ground forces.Also Javelin is almost as old and wasn't really made to fully replace Jamesgun.
>>23567536Is this an official Hambrabi variatn or fanart? What's CRX-007?
>>23567575This guy
>>23567595So is this like a Guncannon with waist VSBRs and a Zaku machine gun with a double stack magazine?
>>23567667it's a super mega GM with a ton of ballistic weapons because beam weapons aren't economically realistic at the time
>>23567669huh. I wonder how that works. You can run out of metals to make physical bullets but you can't really run out of minovsky particles to fire beams. I guess you need Helium 3 to power minovsky reactors but only starship engines consume them in quantities that would induce a shortage, I don't think we ever see a MS "running out of fuel". And crossbone usually takes place around Jupiter meaning there's a whole planet of Minovsky fuel
>>23567671you can run out of facilities and personnel that can make and maintain beam weapons reliablymost of crossbone takes place in the Earth Sphere
>>23567674I'd imagine you'd be able to get fresh mobile suits in Von Braun and Granada, its just most of the factions in Dust are junker-tier.
>>23567680not really, Anaheim's tech isn't doing any betterbesides, everyone is a junker, even the professional militaries
>>23567689The closest thing to professional military there is Cyclops and they are actually capable of producing new mobile suits, not just with beam weaponry, but even with Minovsky Drive based on reverse engineered and improved Phantom. It's just as your pic says, big firepower became unnecessary.Other "professional militaries" are basically just local colonial police forces.
>>23567704Volcano there is a Cyclops suitthey only start to reliably make beam tech a bit later in the story besides one-offs like the refined Phantom
Sublime...
>>23568385What in your opinion makes Pale Rider beautiful?
Can any of the AoZlorefags tell me which units were deployed to the Aswan? This spiffy decal sheet I'm looking at has some Aswan decals and I want to apply them to the right units.
>>23570050Gundam TR-1>Hazel, Hazel Custom, Hazel II, Advanced Hazel, Hazel Rah, Hazel Rah Second Form, Hazel OwslaBizack TR-2>BigwigPrototype Asshimar TR-3>Kehaar Space TypeTR-4>DandelionGaplant TR-5>Fiver, Hrairoo-Rah II, Advanced HrairooGundam TR-6>Inle, Fiver II, Dandelion II, Haze'n-thley II
>>23567704>>23567689>>23567708Headhunters still exist, new large suits can be developed from the Baroque's data
>>23570209the hell is a headhunterand it's not like they can't develop new suits, it's not a matter of lacking data
>>23570220Headhunters are the faction in Crossbone Dust who steal the Phantom Gundam and develop it into the Baroque line, they're a division of Cyclops who are allegedly a surviving Titans/Federation offshootThe Baroques are the first late-UC MS to be taller than 15 meters, something that hadn't been seen since the Xi and Penelope
>>23570223>headhunters are the faction in Crossbone Dust who steal the Phantom Gundam and develop it into the Baroque line, they're a division of Cyclops who are allegedly a surviving Titans/Federation offshootoh, that's what that king's dudes are called. Still, i fail to see how the headhunters are relevant, then>The Baroques are the first late-UC MS to be taller than 15 meters, something that hadn't been seen since the Xi and PenelopeAnd that's just not even remotely true. Zanscare alone made like 5 different suits above that height.
>>23570230I stand corrected, they are rare but Cyclops made enough suits to have a lasting influence on future MS design and infrastructureCyclops itself can be seen as a precursor to CONSENT
>>23570257Cyclops tech advancements are mostly relatively minor tweaks on the Phantom concept and refining Minovsky Drive but still not exceeding V2. Other than that their major achievements are reworking pre-existing designs to suit the modern circumstances, like turning Hambrabi into the Hamra-B SFS/.. Sorta? They're more similar to Gaia Gear-era MHA as a Federation taskforce with a whole lot more authority and influence than they should have, just like Titans before them. CONSENT is ostensibly a new thing, even if they're really just wannabe Federation 2.0 when you get down to it.
this is /aoz/, trust
>>23570356Needs a bigger head
>>23570356I really like this, but it's uncanny.It's the MP Nu right?
>>23570928what nothat's a hizack you dummy
>>23570152Base TR-6 was never deployed?
>>23570930They cut off her sub-arm...
>>23570935Nope. If everything is working ideally, it's not going to be used like this. Granted, things absolutely did not work out ideally but still.>>23570937She's more comfortable like this and her sisters support her choice.
>whole platoon of GM Quels escorting the GP Project squadI won't lie, this is tickling my AoZ bone in a way
>>23571003GP project predates all the AoZ stuff right? Which ironically means something like a Hazel might outperform the GP units.Then again they seem to be up against a Crossbone and a Unicorn so I don't think it's going to make a difference
>>23571013>GP project predates all the AoZ stuff right?yes but it's a matter of months, a lot of TR Plan stuff is derived from the GP Project>Which ironically means something like a Hazel might outperform the GP units.eh, only if you slap enough gear onto it. Hazel Custom is certainly a step above GM Quel but it's a test platform, not a cutting-edge prototype with an insanely high budget thrown at every stage of its development. That's TR-6.>Then again they seem to be up against a Crossbone and a Unicorn so I don't think it's going to make a differenceOh yes, they're getting slaughtered I'm afraid.
>>23571016Makes me wonder, what's the ultimate machine in UC?(No G-Reco or Turn A). Is it the V2 in one of its full armor configurations? Maybe the Ghost? Do the later crossbone mangas like Seerauber introduce something crazier?
>>23571023V2 is the most advanced if you don't wanna include incredibly obscure stuff that doesn't have much info like V3 or paper plans that were impossible to build like Gromlin.Hasegawa IIRC was explicitly told he cannot progress technology further than V2 so nothing in Crossbone exceeds it. Ghost and its derivates can almost match it in some ways but fall short in others, other suits like Midas have their own things that can't be directly compared but don't go beyond V2 either.Seerauber so far hasn't introduced anything crazier either, the 3 Crossbones in it are X-13 variants and these can't quite replicate the original's performance. The plot seems to be built around a treasure hunt for an Exodia-esque mystery MS but it's anyone's guess what that thing does.
>>23571023Unicorn if I had to guessespecially if you take feats into account like a true power scaler
>>23571067And if you ignore all of its greatest achievement were products of specific circumstances and emotions produced by people due to genuine experiences channeled through the Unicorn like light through a prism. It's not something that can be reliably and consistently replicated. Unicorn doesn't have an "unmake engine" button in the cockpit any more than Nu has a "push back Axis" or Zeta had a "giga beam saber" button. And if the weapon cannot be relied upon it's as dangerous to you as the enemy, in other words worthless.Aaaanyway power scalers don't deserve free speech
>>23571067Magic plotonium doesn't count, might as well the Ball is better than Zaku II because of that one guy in crossbone
>>23571269you mean 08th MS Team
>>23571271Luna titanium, it hardens in response to physical trauma. You can't hurt me, Zeek
Now that we got Kelderek Owsla, what MS do you look forward to seeing next in AoZR?For me, it's Advanced GM.
Rehaize in general looks pretty sick, but that leg design still looks like a mess to me.
>>23572285It helps when you think of it as permanenrly deployed TR-6 hover units. This also means there's a universe in which she wears the rabbit slippers instead
>>23572281I wanna see more SSD stuff, anything at all would be great. Better or different look at their Barzams, some glimpse at the ZZZ or their other suits and what they might be, anything's great. There's a lot of fun stuff to be done with mixing AEUG/Anaheim with the TR stuff, it's a whole untouched aspect of AoZ.Unrelated family photo.
>>23573565I mean, yeah AoZ (Lambda) Gundam is the biggest thing that we haven't seen yet.Maybe to go along with that we can get some Nero variations. Perhaps a Nero Cannon with Long Shield Boosters that is basically Nemo Cannon 2.0? Or some sort of G-Defenser shenanigans as their replacement for Hrududu?There's a lot to explore with AEUG stuff.
I need access to Fujioka's drug stash
garage kits...
>>23575025would be nice if Chang stole the files and made a kit out of it
>>23575025Any pics of it completed?
kit any day now, trust
>>23573565I'd like SSD to make some really WEIRD shit
>>23575783Did he get what they took from >>23570930 ?
>>23575790they traded ^_^
>>23576250Keep going keep going! I really like this one
>>23571023V2AB and Zanspine are the only fully realized Minovsky Drive machines. The MDS is a enormous advancement and mark an entirely new baseline of MS construction as a whole. The Zanspine is said to have the most advanced form of it, so in terms of sheer performance it's arguably the best. It comes down to the value placed on the highest performance possible + psycommu weapons, or the variable frame and flexibility of the V2. It's worth noting that apart from having an extra MDS unit which are all further iterated forms of the still-prototype-V2 MDS, it willingly controls the Wings of Light instead of them being a somewhat unreliable byproduct of failed particle conversion. It's a small thing, but its flexible beam shield mounts also offer pretty insane defensive capabilities, nevermind the handheld WoL emitters, rather making up for the lack of an I-Field and narrowing the gap between V2A's defensive abilities and its own. The only machines that are worth mentioning in their league are the almost-complete MDS machines. Obviously the Zanspine is a G Gen original, but like a lot of them it's a pretty seamless fit into the setting material. Anyways have a Zanscare Gundam doodle.
>>23576547Did the Zanspine ever exist or was it just a paper design to be built "whenever we figure out the tech"? Also, I'd argue the Phantom family is worth considering since it also has a very slightly weaker MDS, and it's also covered in full body i-fields making it untouchable to any MS using beams (and anything using solid rounds isn't hitting it) the field is so strong it can even deflect beam sabers. And of course, the entire body is essentially a WoL with all the damage potential that entails
>>23576553According to its bio, it was completed, but not in time to see combat during the Zanscare War.
>>23576553The background lore is that it was completed but was meant to go to Faula (and she died) then meant to go to Katejina (and she died and the war ended).The problem with most of the semi-MDS machines is that they don't actually come with most of the benefits of the fully operable MDS that enable design paradigm shitts. The V2 (and presumably Zanspine but we really don't get as much info about it since it is just a game unit and not an often seen one unfortunately despite how badass it is) nearly hollows itself out due to the removal of fuel thanks to being able to rely on the MDS, which ends up allowing room for a larger reactor and lower overall weight which allows it to also operate absurd levels of armament and output at the same time, while protecting the pilot with a dampening field for G-force reduction, something a lot of the prototypes don't have and allows for full use of the omni-directonal high g maneuvers the MDS is capable of. The Phantom line definitely does some cool shit, but the V2AB also shits out a stupid amount of beams with just its spraypod alone, shields multiple squadrons at once of friendly machines with its wings of light which aren't even penetrated by Zanscare's highest output mega beam weapons, and sports I-Fields of its own (plus more weapons). The V2AB is beyond a monster in practical battlefield terms.Being an AoZ thread, the broader picture is worth remembering here. The benefits of a machine which has unlimited operation time, is built with powered hardpoints for optional equipment all over its body, can leave and reenter atmosphere without assistance, can extend kilometre long wings of accelerated particle beam shield/sabres, and can replace any portion of its body which is damaged so long as it's not the core unit on the fly in ground or space and do it fast enough to be viable mid-combat. The Phantom ultimately relies on a (very cool) gimmick.
>>23576592>meant to go to Katejina (and she diedWDYM, she's still here waiting for her butter
>>23576594She wants eggs and sugar
>>23576594She was a good friend.
>>23576607>Did I ever tell you about Haman Karn, Kamille?
How long has it been since the last page?
>>23579100two months, almost on the dot...we've had longer breaks, it'd be fine
>>23579104don't worry tonight is the night
>>23579124Had to check what day of the week is today.Seems plausible.
>>23574542>moon-slopno thank you
What's his masterplan?
So from what I'm getting the Wondwart is the Titan's version of what the S-Gundam was? They made a really powerful Gundam and put an advanced AI on it that would eventually gain self awareness and be able to act autonomously, and adapt to any situation?
>>23579484Sorry, I'm not necessarily a fan myself, but G-Doors is AoZ.
>>23579619The TR-6 plan as a whole goes much further, being for the eventual end purpose of autonomously travelling and terraforming other words on interstellar voyages to create new habitats for humanity
>>23579679Last night I had a dream that I seen either a new Jagd Doga design in a new anime or kit. I don't even like the Jagd Doga at all.
>>23579619No. For starters, Woundwort is a mass production unit, and closer to a core fighter in MS shape than an actual Gundam. There is however an S Gundam equivalent, [Hazenthley II]. The whole idea of the TR plan was to outfit every squad with woundworts and give them modular packs as needed to fulfill different roles.>AIErr, it's more like an Evangelion situation but instead of the pilot's moms they put dead newtype children's souls in there. And they only really used it to multitask better.
>>23579679>>23579683Can't believe I've never seen a black/purple Jagd Doga custom
>>23579619Basically, yes. They're both platforms for versatile mobile weapon systems that can be adapted and modified to suit different circumstances and mission goals, with the entirety of the system being called "Gundam".BUNNyS and ALICE are both AI operating systems designed to assist with operating the machine, but BUNNyS "cheats" a little by being the onions green of software whereas ALICE is a "genuine" artificial intelligence built up from the ground with the final goal being creating an unmanned weapon. Arguably that's possibly also the ideal for BUNNyS but one has to ask if that really counts as "unmanned" rather than just the person becoming a Gundam.
>>23579679It's insane how much better this thing looks in any color but the one it's molded in.
>>23579690>Err, it's more like an Evangelion situation but instead of the pilot's moms they put dead newtype children's souls in there. And they only really used it to multitask better.Where was this established? Does that mean BUNNyS was also a successor to the EXAM system?
>>23578510why is the thumb at the wrong side?
>>23580855>Where was this established?OVER THE MINDGundam Inle expands on it.
>>23580863It's... not?
>>23581823A shame the attachment points look so fragile
thread's been slow lately
>>23583403Not much to talk about until the next update, honestly.
Are there any notable AoZ pilots? By notable I mean highly skilled/newtype/etc. Aside feom the purus obciously
>>23583978Nobody's at the level of the actual insane people like Amuro and Kamille, but all the main crew in Flag of Titans are very good pilots.Eliard himself grows into an excellent pilot even though he himself doesn't quite realize it.Carl is a skilled marksman.Murphy is a OYW and Delaz Conflict veteran with a special knack for the notoriously unfriendly and difficult to operate prototypes.Audrey is implied to possibly be the best Aswan pilot - even if she doesn't get to be in the spotlight often, she keeps up with everyone else piloting the Primrose for example.And on the other side Zola was already an ace during the One Year War and was a constant threat to the Black Otter Team all the way to the end of Gryps Conflict.
TR-0
>>23584330Is this NTR?
>>23584338
>>23583403Job has been taking too much mental real estate lately. Can't samefag the way that used to. My bad, friend.
>>23575783real
>>23584347How I feel every Friday morning I don't see new art
>>23580149It really does, still a pretty kit.
consider: Lehr Wolf
>>23586972I think it's a bit too high spec to be a target dummy, though I guess that the built-in modularity is a plus.
>>23586983Aggressor weapons aren't target dummies, the whole idea is to realistically represent a potential threat - both by emulating their specs and by fighting as hard as a real enemy. Lehr Doga can already be outfitted with Doven Wolf parts anyway. A Silver Bullet-turned aggressor machine wouldn't be unreasonable.
>>23586990>>23586972And the lehr doga did participate in the battle of Olympus mons
>>23586990Always liked the idea of aggressor units in Gundam. Awhile back I made some Hizack Aggressor mockups. Figured the Federation would have hundreds of Hizacks laying around after the Gryps Conflict. Better to get some use out of them rather than just mothballing the whole fleet.
>>23587120These look very neato, especially Xeku colors.There was a ton of Hizacks for sure, but I think they were mostly sold off to anyone that was buying, even civilians. Even people that didn't want to buy, like Republic of Zeon. Plus some that went missing or "went missing" and wound up in PMCs and pirate groups and so on.But there was definitely still some left behind as well. If wannabe Mafty can get an abandoned mid-assembly Gaplant years later then there's bound to be plenty more Titans stock here and there.Thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised if some MP Owslas met a similar fate too. I'd really like to see some pop up in something, even if just a handful.
>>23587226
>>23587274Oh yeah there was tat too, gotta love Across the Sky for that. Especially being one of like three works that remember Psycho Gundam wasn't a one-off.
>>23587324>Dual-wielding beam javelins
>>23588118Go on...
>Mk-II with Jegan limbs in new Pulitzer chapterI dub this one /ourguy/
>>23586972this is sex
hmm...
>>23588354For a second I thought that it's Elle's Mk-II, but apparently it was sold to the gang by Gemon, so that's interesting.
>>23589140hmm....!
Hm?
Few threads back someone asked about strapping Hrududu II on the Asshimar, got around to it now. Works better than expected, all things considered. Obviously neither kit was ever designed with the other thing in mind but so far my only experience where the wing units actually kinda clamp onto the shoulders. Naturally that's easy with their size, but the entire installation is holding on only through that here, the booster pod is not attached to the backpack at all.It is still a little awkward, I had to shift the hips forward to ensure the backpack can swing down far enough it doesn't get in the way. And the subarm is literally tacked on, but there's no way to make the drum frame fit in here. Good thing is that Asshimar IS supposed to have a drum frame in the back there, TR-3 was among other things a test machine for using that approach. The red circle denotes roughly where it should be as I understand, essentially a "spine" bearing the stress of the transformation's center axis. Makes sense to strap the Hrududu II there. That, or a second drum frame attached onto this one but it's not possible without modifying the kits quite a bit.
>>23590587for the MA mode I have the Hrududu II literally just laying there on top so it's rather precarious and I wouldn't leave it like that by itself, but it's good enough for the proof of concept. And this time I have it with the drum frame, though like the side view shows it's far from perfect. Good enough for a general idea, though.I think it has a pretty different impression from Asshimar Rah Hrair and not just because it has like a third of its bulk. The crotch subarm serving as a stabilizer looks almost like a tail, and with the shield boosters aligned to the front the entire thing is surprisingly long. Has a bit of a Gaplant impression, or maybe rather Anksha?
