Still no Vol 102 so we're looking at bunny drawings again--useful links--https://hobby.dengeki.com/title_re-boot/>official Reboot illustration list, missing first few entrieshttps://gundamguy.blogspot.com/2013/12/mobile-suit-z-gundam-advance-of-zeta.html>scans of some of the earlier entrieshttps://hobby.dengeki.com/comic_novel/19559/>samples of the ongoing mangahttps://m.weibo.cn/u/6199800362?>weibo page of Watership 4.5, a fan circle that makes 3d models and prints of many AoZ designs. Good insight into how they function.http://www.inask.net/blog-category-144.html>another page with their stuffhttps://archive.org/details/Advance_of_Z_The_Flag_of_Titans_Vol.1/mode/2up>internet archive has scans of The Flag of Titans compiled in 6 volumes, this is the first onehttps://jim-quail.github.io/aoz-reboot-translations>WIP translation project for AoZ Reboot, beginning with Dengeki entriesLast thread>>23499534
Still the latest volume, Universal Conversion Development Machinehttps://hobby.dengeki.com/aoz/illust/reboot82/And reminder we've had a Hazel Hrair teaser and the manga hiatus might be ending soon.
unholy or sexy?
>>23551330Not sure if want
>>23551330It looks like the Ex-S is standing on it's tippy toes. Very gay.
>>23551330It looks like the Ex-S is standing on it's tippy toes. Very gay. (Positive)
>>23551536>>23551545where do you think you are
Reposting this because no reason other than I like it
>>23551630Mk2 looks better with a Barzam head
>>23551630I love the blurb for it too>GM Quel Kai /Unit Description : The phantom 4th Gundam Mk-II Unit, assembled from spare parts remaining after the AEUG seized the Gundam Mk-IIs. As its assigned pilot requested that the head vulcans be integrated as an internal weapon a GM Quel head was used, leading to the unit being treated as a modified GM Quel. The other weaponry is exactly the same as that of the Gundam Mk-II.
I really love the mobile bit CSB form
>>23551330Come to think of it, does the TR series have an equivalent to the beam smart gun?
>>23552772XBR-M84 beam rifle rapid fire beam launcher spec is a very deliberate parallel to it>for high spec units>similar size>high power>frame connection to the MS>rapid fire barrel option with a bipod to booteven similar scope on the side. Ties in with TR-S being a parallel to S Gundam, just like Haze'n-thley II.
Meanwhile in a parallel universe, the titans test time are in for a pleasant surprise for future mobile suit development
>>23553002“Team” fucking hell just ignore that typo
>>23553002Is it just a Zeta in Titans colors or does it have other differences? The one on the right seems a tad off somehow
>>23551536The S-ex is a woman so that's fine.
>>23553012It’s in titans colors as far as I can tell
>>23553012Looks the same to me, the yellow outline on the flying armor might be throwing you off
>>23553126It’s actually in the same colors as it appears in gundam vs zeta
>>23553002Kamille really in his "Peter Parker spiderman 3" arc here
>>23553179he looks kinda hot...
so in the end, what's my best bet if i want to read AOZ translated?
>>23553191Flag of Titans novel translated by Zeonicyou can read the manga (also tl'd by Zeonic) too but it's definitely a companion to the novel rather than a fully independent adaptation.Traitor to Destiny has a novel and incomplete manga but neither has a translation but it's a largely unrelated and just shares the AoZ title. Mace of Judgement manga is a sort of spin-off to that but AFAIK it only has an incomplete and kinda shitty translation. Black Rabbit had a Dream (manga only) had the first volume translated by /u/ of all people a few years back, recently Crossbone Scanguard picked up where they left off and are working through it. It currently has 6 volumes and is on hiatus but there's talk of that changing so we'll see where we go from here and how scantalators respond.
I love AoZ but sometimes shit definitely goes overboard.
>>23553248I love AoZ and it can never go too far. Honestly this one isn't that excessive anyway, it's just an idea of how Recon Hrairoo would look in MS form whereas right now we don't even know if it can do that. But even so, this isn't much different from Full Armor Advanced Hrairoo, just >replace chest Winch Cannon with Fiver's nose>rear Weapon Container with a radome>shield boosters with extra thrusters with Advanced Binder Unitsthrow in the big radome belowThe former two are arguably less bulky, if anything.
>>23553248The beauty of AoZ is that it goes only as far as you want it to be.
>>23553213I kinda wonder if this should get reformatted a little and reposted at the start of every thread
PSA: the EW bootleg Kehaar II parts come packaged with the Kehaar II rifle. So you don't need to buy it separately if you want to build a lineart accurate Kehaar II.Pretty cool, but I wish I knew that before buying more rifles. Oh well, more Hazel rifles to go around I guess.
>>23553644oh dang, that explains the price for sure. Been tempted to get this since learning to love Asshimar. Wouldn't have guessed it comes with the beam launcher, it's not shown on most pics.
>>23553793The bootleg. Explicitly the bootleg. The official bandai model doesn't have that rifle, and in fact no bandai mold of it exists still. Only the bootleg.
>>23553808yeah yeah I knowstill surprised because the parts lineup looks like this
>>23551630And why did it take them THIS long before thinking of doing a full-on GM'ed 178?
>>23553248I love this thing to death
>>23553259I imagine facing this thing would look kinda like fighting Balteus in ACVI, just a shower of missiles
>>23551330Needs hard points and then it would be golden
RX-178 Gundam Mk-II Rah II Hrair (Titans colors)
>>23551330lack of feminine waist just makes this look like a buff dude wearing heels
>>23551330I'm a fan but I think it'd be a lot better if the foot and back of the calf section on the legs were removed
>>23554247Pharact's shoulders are basically Hrududu but the Zeong skirt has no business working so well
>>23553644Where can I get one of these? Ali Express?
Wet Barzam...
Goodness gracious I'm in love
>>23555504This is cooler than a solid 75% of the official attachments, damn. Love it.
>>23555504SIck.
>>23555504This should be the default beam rifle for any of the barzam variants, either as a main or a side for the more extreme variants
Is there any definitive statements that AOZ is not canonical by the authors? I recall seeing a link on here somewhere saying something along the same lines
>>23555776my best advice to you is to stop thinking about canon, because Japan broadly doesn't give a fuck. Piece together what you like.
>>23555776First off, Japan doesn't really do "canon or "non-canon", everything is canon unless explicitly said. SEcond, AoZ was always intended as "mainline canon", fits seamlessly into UC and gets referenced by a ton of other works. Why would you think it's not canon?
>>23555776None whatsoever, in fact Fujioka is on record called Reboot official.
>>23555793Everything that goes through Bandai is "official." Official just means not a fan work. Thunderbolt is official.
>>23555776>1Canon isn't real.>2It's canon.
>>23555803It helps that AoZ doesn't step on any toes like Thunderbolt or Origin. Although I wonder if other designers find the tech tree contentious. Like what if Izubuchi doesn't agree on the lineage leading up to the Jegan? Although if he has a problem that's on him for not going into the minute details like Fujioka.
>>23555813They just make it. That's the entire point. There's no canon, no artists give a shit, everyone knows they're just making their own work based around someone else's work.
Simply because a large amount of the MS are too far advanced for the time period they're in and stretch the suspension of disbelief by existing
Could I get a link to that?
>>23555871No they're not. You would know this if you understood the material.
>>23555871Everything Scirocco made took a huge dump on everything the TTT could actually field albeit.
>>23555871Everything in AoZ is at or below Zeta tech level
TR-6's Composite Shield Boosters are dramatically beyond anything in the time period on their own. AoZ likes I-Fields too much. Sentinel did too, but AoZ goes further.
this conversation pops up every few threads and absolutely fucking nothing of value is ever said. You think it doesn't fit? Then it doesn't fit for you, simple as that. Nothing more to discuss.
>>23556598Tbh I think that's a good point. How many Zeta era MS even have I-fields? I don't think even The O or Qubeley have it.
>>23556683Ex-S has a smaller and more compact one
>>23555776
>>23555776>This work "Gundam Inle" is an official extra to the animated work "Mobile Suit Z Gundam" by Sunrise and Dengeki Hobby Magazine/WEB.
It'd be cool if there was an Advanced Asshimar and it mixed parts from [Kehaar] and [Danda-Chakra]
>>23553814Thanks for the heads up, was keeping an eye on it myself but now I think I'll grab one for sure.
>>23556598>>23556683ZZ has one in the chest (I think it gets a second one in FA form?) sentinel has one too, doesn't rose boy's Zaku III have a full body field too? Geymalk might also have one, I forget
>>23556850El AbominaciĂłn...
>>23556938Only FA ZZ has one in animation, and it's often discarded in technical specs to just be Biosensor shenanigans. Bandai flipflops on whether it does or not. If you remove it, no actual MS-sized machines in the whole era had I-Fields until Sentinel decided the Ex-S could have one.
>>23556961And Ex-S having one was the outlier for about 20 years. And the first animated machine unambiguously, consistently stated to have an I-Field, the V2A, doesn't ever use its at all. Other I-Fields get weird treatment too, like Kshatriya's binders getting slashed through despite having I-Fields which never do anything. It blocks one shot to the chest, but never anything else despite the binders explicitly having I-Fields. Not even Penelope and Xi got I-Fields, and they're actively using the fucking things to fly, but here's other machines retconned in to have I-Fields on their shields.
>>23556941eigagh I like itadding small wings is a really neat way of giving the MA mode a different silhouette while retaining the style
>>23556683It used to be just the Ex-S Gundam having tiny I-fields to protect the chest and on the reflector incom for bouncing beams, but they've started backporting I-fields into other Zeta era stuff. The Zeta Define manga introduces an new full armor equipment package for the Zeta Gundam intended to help it fight the Psycho Gundam, and it includes I-field generator for protection against the Psycho's scattering beams. UC Engage also had a "totally not canon" crossover episode where Kamille's Zeta was given an I-field emitting claw weapon.>>23556938The ZZ stuff is arguable. In dialogue, Astonaige specifically calls it anti-beam coating, but the visual effect in battle is definitely more I-field barrier than ABC and stands up to a ridiculous level of punishment. It doesn't help that biosensor could also contribute to blocking beams which only muddles it more.>doesn't rose boy's Zaku III have a full body field too? Geymalk might also have one, I forgetDunno about the Geymalk, but Mashmyre's Zaku III blocking beam event is definitely biosensor shenanigans, not a conventional I-field.
>>23556979>Other I-Fields get weird treatment too, like Kshatriya's binders getting slashed through despite having I-Fields which never do anything.Marida blocks the Unicorn's beam saber in the first fight they had with each other using that I-field. But yes, she fails to use the I-field barriers later as if she forgot they existed. It would have been a good idea to at least try to block the Banshee's beam magnum shot with them.
>>23556979>Not even Penelope and Xi got I-Fields, and they're actively using the fucking things to fly, but here's other machines retconned in to have I-Fields on their shields.Well, combat grade I-field seems to be a difficult thing to achieve. Minovsky levitation like that used by White Base, Apsalus, etc is also I-field but it cannot deploy the minovsky craft as an anti-beam barrier to protect itself. Similarly, it seems that the minovsky craft and using beam weapons in general is not potent enough to cause ECM or jamming effects simply because they revolve around minovsky particles.
fiddled around to figure out what I could do with the rest of the Tri-Booster if the secondary thrusters do end up on a multi-connector pod like on [Barghest].Tentative name is "Missile Booster", the idea is replacing the additional thrusters with missiles provides a lot of firepower while still being more mobile than a standard backpack. It doesn't have as much thrust and it's still difficult to control, but mechanical performance is more stable.
>>23557238The EZZ has anti beam coating, which is consistently repeated in basically every source, but it has also been stated (occasionally, like the original MG kit manual) to have an I-Field. It either has both or just ABC, depends on the source. Most games don't give it the I-Field though and it's not often repeated anymore. Guess we'll see with the ver Ka manual if it has anything to say.
he just looks more soulful with the Mk1 parts
>>23557399*sheAnd respectfully disagreed, but both are great really.
>>23557401nah man just nahleave the Mk2 parts for the Queenlygive Mk1 the respect it deserves
>>23557406>give Mk1 the respect it deservesI am. It's just that Mk-II deserves more.
>browsing artworks for inspiration to fuck around with my AoZ kits>come across the Hyzenthlay Rah II with quad winch cannons + Bigwig cannon + Gaplant booster>get sad againThis guy deserves so much more than the fucking napkin doodle Fujioka gave him.
>>23557414She got a frontal lineart too at least. And at least she showed up in Reboot on Dengeki, the Hazel Rah cannon-type only exists in Inle background mecha and Fujioka's twitter.
>>23557419>the Hazel Rah cannon-typewho?
>>23557423You can see her second from the top on the right column in that pic, under the Messala booster type.Here's a more souped up version too.
>>23557423In the back here using Hrududu Plus
>>23557423And here in kit form from the man himself.
>>23557427It's always bugged me the whole assembly of the blade unit rifle plugs in on these forms. I feel like it'd look a lot cooler if it was just the barrel extension. It's just a bit silly a beam emitter plugs into a another block that fits over the rear end of the rifle that then still has its own beam emitter (?) despite being designed to plug into a rifle itself. It's so much sillier than it should be.
>>23558046Not sure if I'm following. It's a souped up version of the sniper long rifle, just more versatile. The long barrel amplifies output and the stock balances it out, plus can connect to the suit directly. Using it as a beam rifle upgrade means it has similar basic handling and proven reliable central structure, sensors and so on. Alternatively they can be attached to a smaller central joint/beam emitter made of standardized parts which is smaller and lighter than an entire rifle but can't be held in hand or have a replaceable E-Pac.
>>23558102>The long barrel amplifies output and the stock balances it outActually, it's the stock piece that is the amplifier specifically. The barrel components in gundam (and for the long rifle) are really about sustaining fire/tolerance for higher output. Which kinda ties into...>plus can connect to the suit directly.Yeah it's the mechanisms surrounding this part I find a bit dumb.The gun form is cool, no problems there really. But the amplifier plugs into a barrel for a beam/gun sabre which then allows the barrel, slid down to the amplifier with no gun, to now fire? It's a big silly that the stock amplifier is involved in this part of the process. It's like Strike Freedom's guns. Now these are beam rifles obviously, but if you imagined this was a real gun for a second maybe you can start to see why I find it silly. It's specifically because either the whole amplifier stock is actually another section of beam rifle barrel atop being an amplifier to make this happen, or it's pulling energy to its own emitter it also has hidden within the amplifier only to plug into the barrel.Either answer is its own silliness I don't care for, particularly when the barrel could just plug right into the Hrududu port and avoid any of it.It's a smaller concern but I personally like the look of the Hrududu's blade rifles being a bit shorter/think they're overly long, but it's how the stock fits into the equation that touches on a particular point of autism for me.
>>23558121Pretty sure reboot describes barrels as the amplifiers but I could be misremembering. Doesn't change much in the end really.Either way by having the whole thing integrated together with its own beam emitter rather than depending on Hrududu's emitter it can be used on other things too, versatility is the whole selling point. Meanwhile the connection port still lets it get more power to enhance output.
Kehaar II has arrived in gbo2, it looks great and that we’re getting more hazel variants
>>23558302Love to see it, even if the implementation is a bit flawed but what isn't in GBO2.
>>23557208The head crest and the feet are fugly
>>23557244I thought the whole point of the beam magnum was overpowering I fields. And wasn't she in the Repair variant when she got magnum'd? Who knows if it still had field emitters, they couldn't even give it proper beam guns
>>23557316Weld the missiles to the launcher and use their rocket engines for thrust. Oprionally, remove the warheads
>>23558302>>23558303Year 2025 and GBO2 is still the "best" gundam game, how the fuck did this happen? It's one of the worst feeling games I've ever played
>>23558341They just don't really give a fuck since GBO2 still makes good money, especially in Japan which still is the only market they sincerely care about. Speaking of, I'm told Extreme VS is a genuinely good game if you like the genre but they didn't even attempt to market that in the west so it doesn't really matter how good it is.
>>23558302>HG bootleg parts>now Kehaar II in GBO2donut bros eating good
>>23558302>>23558303I don't play GBO but it's always nice when niche suits are implemented if only to see how they're supposed to operate.
>>23558547Sometimes they're even kinda-sorta accurate! Sometimes... not so much.
hmmmm
>>23558723Cool idea, but you've lost the waverider so now you're left with a bunch of pointless transformation mechanisms and a funny looking shield. At this point it's just a high-output MkII with a biosensor. Speaking of which, I know the FAZZ doesn't have transformation mechanisms, but is there a budget non-transforming zeta?
>>23558726Waverider is a great too for mobility and versatility, but it's not truly integral to what defines Zeta as an all-terrain assault MS, hence you have things like the Prototype and MP Type which don't have a transformation at all or two different Full Armors that can't transform either. I imagine here the idea is it could be enhanced with Titan-proprietary parts but the entire torso structure is very involved and too difficult to replace.
>>23558302Correction, I meant woundwort variants
>>23558730>but it's not truly integral to what defines Zeta as an all-terrain assault MS??? waverider is the only reason the zeta can descend to earth unassisted and also fly in the atmosphere>hence you have things like the Prototype and MP Type which don't have a transformation at all or two different Full Armors that can't transform eitherneither of those are "all terrain assault MS". the proto zetas are engineering validation units because they wanted to test different heads and control issues with the body. the FA ground type is literally optimized for use on earth against a specific enemy.
>>23558951Based on the development timelines and descriptions we have Anaheim rolled out the Proto Zeta before the Mk-II theft - and they began reworking the concept into a transformable machine after it was proven possible with newly acquired movable frame tech plus Kamille's ideas with Methuss somewhere along the way serving as practical verification.In other words, the transformation system was only implemented because it was re-evaluated mid-development. It, well, transformed the concept from simply "versatile high spec MS for use on Earth and in Space" into "variable MS capable of independent atmospheric entry and flight AND space combat". If that didn't work out the Zeta would have probably been more similar to Hyaku Shiki. Incidentally you can also contrast the development process here:>Delta Gundam -> transformation failure > redesigned into non-variable Hyaku Shiki>Proto Zeta Gundam -> transformation reevaluation -> finalized as variable Zeta GundamThis can be seen in its other operational principles too. Waverider is invaluable because it enhances Zeta's performance and opens up completely new tactics, but it's not utterly integral to Zeta's combat doctrine despite the final design being built all around it. Compare to Asshimar, which doesn't really have much going for itself if you take away the transformation, it's just bigger and admittedly tougher but still very plain ground unit.Whereas Zeta has things like the hyper mega launcher to enable high power sniping missions or different options for the arm launchers. Of course the versatility also extends to the transformation with things like Waveshooter and so on. But the most important feature is just plain excellent performance owing to its high power output plus excellent maneuverability and agility. Take away the Waverider and it's obviously greatly diminished, but a lot of what makes Zeta "Zeta" still remains.
>>23558302I snooze. Waiting for the best TR-6.
>>23558996ah, so you are saying the zeta project was just for a high spec MS and was never about transformation in the first place
>>23559065Not so much never about it but rather it was considered "nice to have" rather than the focal point of the whole dang thing, at least until it was proven to be REALLY nice to have. Admittedly sources do somewhat vary on that, with some stating the goal was "new generation high spec MS" and while other specifically being about a transforming MS. But a lot of these things are kinda up in the air, the scope of Zeta Project varies from ending at Zeta itself to encompassing all of its variants, ZZ and S or even retroactively throwing in Rick Dias and adding in Nemo and Marasai for good measure. Basically ranging from "just Zeta itself" to "basically everything Anaheim made from UC 0085 to 0088".
>>23559028[GM II], [Hizack II] and [Gaplant II] are my favourite TR-6'es, followed by [Hazel II]s and [Barzam II].
Huh, I didn't know the 4 nozzles on the Kehaar II's shoulder turbines were beam cannons
>>23560087Took me by surprise too but sure enough they are labeled as beam guns. Seem to be scattering beams like on the shields, primarily for self defense, but oh well.
