F90, F91, Crossbone, Victory, G-Saviour: anything goes!
I like this time period as it shows how even though the Federation won 4-5 pyrrhic victories in a row, Zeon broke the people fundamentally bringing the whole thing down after they are gone.
Here's a page from the G-Saviour manga.
>>23561787Still waiting for its prototype to show up in Cluster.
I tried Crossbone, but I can't get over the art in chapter 1.
>>23561774Wahh, so cool ..
Seabook and Cecily are so cute together, best part of Crossbone and makes me even more mad F91 never got a full series
>>23561912Thank Hasegawa for diverging from the original Tomino's plan.F91 not getting full series is a blessing for them.
>>23561915Tomino was out for blood, huh? Can't say that isn't like him hah
>>23561850It gets better over time.
>>23561431should i watch G saviour?
>>23561764Federation was really, really REALLY fucking lucky Zeon was even worse than them because that was the only thing giving them any shred of legitimacy. And even then, genocidal maniacs were still enough of a counterforce to the prospect of continued Federation rule.
>>23561793
>>23561942it's an extremely okay movie, nothing more and nothing less. Meming it as the worst thing in Gundam is just that, meming.
>>23561937They survived, it's just you wouldn't really cheer them getting together by the end.
>>23561942You should play its video game sequel.
>>23561949Afranche...what are you doin', brother?
>>23561952elaborate
>>23561979You can read Crossbone draft yourself.https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=8635
G-Saviour, my beloved...
I LOVE F90 I LOVE F90 I LOVE F90
>Universal Century>Goes on for longer than a Century
>>23562127>anno domini>lasts longer than an anno
>>23562130By that logic the oyw war should have taken place in the first Universal Century at UC 00.79, Hathaway's Flash the 2nd Universal Century in UC 01.05 and G-Saviour the 3rd Universal Century in 02.23
>>23562146...I like that logic.
>>23561431
>>23562318Cool pre-CCA antique. What does it have to do with Late UC though?
>>23561942Yes, It’s got the best girl cucking in the franchise
>>23561942As you cannot decide for yourself, the answer is 'no'.
>>23562358antiques are used in late UC
For me late U.C. is ok up until F91. Until they fill in all the gaps and tie up loose threads things are just too all over the place after that.However I do like some of the designs in the Crossbone mangas
>>23562877The Batalla and all its offshoots are kino
>>23562835True, but that one in particular wasn't featured in any late UC stuff afaik. Not even as a cameo.
>>23563076wait shit, it isn't?
>>23561786this thing has a lot of firepower, wow
>>23563077Yeah, there were some AoZ Reboot cameos in Cluster, but no Rehyze as far as I know.
>>23563084It also is basically the fastest suit in UC
>>23563175Close enough.
>>23563175Pretty sure that Vanilla V2 is faster.
>>23563266You can't just slap bunny ears on a V2 and call it a new suit
>>23563302V2 is just a big V slapped on Victory
>>23563299>basically
I wish they make Gaia Gear manga so that we can see more the mecha design
Jamesgun Short Shoulder is very cute and innocent
>>23563356CUTE
>>23563358INNOCENT
>>23563358Is that ideon?
Since V2 have the same developer of the W type for the F90, wouldn't that made it unofficially the F100?
>>23563381Victory in general is a descendant of SNRI tech
>>23563367Jamesgun Short Shoulder
>>23563381>F100That would be F910, but if we count unofficial expansions like that V2 should get in line. V1 itself uses Cluster-derived Core Block.
>>23563396
>>23563175By killing off the man behind the both the Warbird Type and the V2 development (also assuming that he's also behind the development of the Record Breakers), Zanscare has inadvertently squandered away any chance of a WoL successor within the UC. Sure we did get Phantom Light Variants, but they all based off of a failed attempt to reverse engineer stolen technology from SNRI.
>>23563356>>23563358>>23563404Looks like an uglier gundvolva ripoff
>>23563423you are extremely stupid and dishonest
>>23563426You just know that I'm right deep in your heart, but too afraid to admit it
>>23563423Embarrassing for you
mysterious motherfucker... gotta get a mobile machine at some point, right??
Whatever happens to SNRI? I know the the other SNRI branch turned into Bespa but what happened to the main company? Did the Crossbones manga ever mention?
>>23564899It's still around, what would happen to it?
I do wonder if Hasegawa is planning on going into the rise of CONSENT, if he is going to make up his own new futureSo far, nothing has contradicted G-Saviour in official Sunrise works, and this is the first time anyone has even approached it in the timeline, even if the Crossbone series is only dubiously canon.
>>23564935Crossbone is as canon as anything else
>>23563331Gaia Gear designs are things you look at in painted images. These designs are too complex for traditional 2D animation and they would be really obscured in manga panels.
>>23564937Only filmed works are canon or "official", this was established a long time ago and nobody from Sunrise has changed it afaik.
>>23564952no, it's been changed over a decade ago at this point but westerners keep repeating it because they're incapable of processing new and changed info
>>23564954Source?
>>23564956in the first place "canon" is just not a concept here, don't use that stupid word againwhat we do have are terms like"official" (公式)"official history" (正史)"semi-official" (準オフィシャル) [used by Inoue]"semi-official" (セミ・オフィシャル) [used in MS Encyclopedia]"semi-official history" (準正史) [per Minakawa]then we have comments on the whole thing such as Great Mechanics 2005>So, what is the basis for saying what's "official" in the Gundam world? This magazine asked the well-known Koichi Inoue, head of Sunrise's planning and development office.>"The first thing we have to say is that, where the Gundam world is concerned, the true official--that is, what could be called Sunrise official setting--should, strictly speaking, be thought of as limited to the films and to things that appear in the filmed works.>However, even if they're not like the above, Sunrise supervises and gives publishing permission to books and games that deal with the Gundam world. Thus, in a broader sense, the original setting that appears in these could be called semi-official.or Gundam Encyclopedia>The addition of "*" to the timeline is a method that began with "GUNDAM OFFICIALS U.C.0079~0083" (compiled by Yuka Minakawa, published 2001 by Kodansha). The designation "official" invites misunderstandings, but don't think that material it did not include is unofficial. (After its publication, the Gundam world has continued to expand.) The idea is not to divide things into official and unofficial, and books, games, and models approved by Sunrise are all assumed to be official. However, there is an order of priority to the information, and one could say that it ranges from white to very close to black. (The original anime being white, and from there it enters the "gray zone.")TL;DR it's not hard and fast rules or unanimous agreement, don't force western fiction issues onto it
>>23564964lmao, you just posted exactly what I already said. How are you going to post these quotes and then pretend like they don't say what they do?>"The first thing we have to say is that, where the Gundam world is concerned, the true official--that is, what could be called Sunrise official setting--should, strictly speaking, be thought of as limited to the films and to things that appear in the filmed workFirst order is films, they override anything else and take precedence. Your personal vendetta against the word "canon" has nothing to do with it.
>>23564973fantastic job having zero fucking literacy, I guess that's to be expected of your kind
>>23564973I'm glad that we agree that ANT overrides Zeta.
>>23565014Zeta is also filmed. Like 0079, it follows two timelines. Oh, are you an ESL and thought 'filmed' meant only theatrical releases?
>>23565029ESL isnt an insult. Speaking multiple languages is a sign of above average intelligence. Only speaking english is a sign of below average intelligence.
Does Xi count as "Late UC"? Because I like the Xi and how bulky it is (and how it looks like its wearing a fez)
>>23565036yah
>>23564935Would Hasegawa even do anything with CONSENT? He prefers to set his stories out of the Earth sphere.>>23565036I wouldn't count it, but it's close enough.
>>23565054>He prefers to set his stories out of the Earth sphere.not really?Crossbone : half in Earth SphereSkullhearrt: roughly half>Steel 7: most in Earth Sphere>Ghost: all in Earth Sphere>DUST: all in Earth Sphere>X-11: All in Jupiter SphereSeerauber is up in the air at this point.
>>23565035speaking English is the only sign of intelligence you retarded brown termite
>>23564964thank you for explaining this
>>23564964Their use of the term "official" means the exact same shit as "canon" in the western nerd fandoms.
>>23565142no it does not and even if it did that wouldn't matter since western nerds don't matter
>>23564935>So far, nothing has contradicted G-Saviour in official Sunrise worksGaia Gear, which was referenced in the F90FF manga.
>>23565150you're not very smart are you
>>23565149>>23565151Keep crying, faggot.
>>23565153not everybody that calls out your bullshit is the same person. You're not special, just bigoted.
>>23565150Gaia Gear is 20 years before G-Saviour. 20 years is plenty of time for the dissolution of the Federation and the establishment of Consent. Not only that, but Gaia Gear can't be canon or official in any way, since Sunrise does not own it and Tomino doesn't want it to ever be brought up again, much less connected officially to Gundam. The rights to individual mecha designs could be a different type of licensing, but Gaia Gear as a story cannot be integrated unless Sunrise buys out the rights from Tomino and the magazine.
>>23565150all they did was drop in Zorin Soul as a one-panel easter egg
>>23561937>>23561915Hasegawa largely followed the outline of Tomino for Crossbone though, except for the loli shit and retarded plotlines and the shitty ending
>>23565155You typed both of your posts in the exact same way, retard.
>>23565151You don't have to reply twice, retard.
>>23565153>>23565195not many ways of calling out a dipshit
Regular Victory or Hexa?
I love Victory and I think all it's kits should get revives but more specifically the Gun-EZ, Gedlav, Javelin, Jamesgun, Zoloat, and Rig Contio.
For me, the farther in the future it is the better
>>23565447I want a Galiscon kit.
Was there a Monthly Mobile Machine 36 last month or the Rock one is still the last?
>>23565475That'd be great though only after I get my Einrad
>>23561431Any new anime coming out in this time period?
>>23563399>>23563381F100 would be, given its name, some form of tribute to the Hyaku Shiki incorporating next-generation Formula tech and possibly early versions of Saviour project tech, given Crossbone's newest installments are getting close to the formation of CONSENT chronologically
>>23564899Some databooks suggested SNRI basically split and became BESPA and the R&D division of the League Militaire. Actually, IIRC one of the old guys in Victory and Usso's mom were the SNRI engineers in charge of the F99 project in one of the Crossbone spinoffs. Plus there's the Cluster Gundam Kai's connection to the GunEZ and Victory.
>>23565149Yes, it does. It's literally the exact same context that Star Wars defined canon before Disney bought it. There were the Lucas directed films as the strictly official canon, the spinoffs that Lucasfilms was involved in coproducing, and then the licensed third party stuff like the Expanded Universe
>>23563302It also has VSBR funnels on the skirt armor!
>>23565612>Crossbone's newest installments are getting close to the formation of CONSENT chronologicallyAre they at the Gaia Gear era yet?
>>23561774That's a fucking Heavy Metal
>>23565479They were on hiatus for the latest chapter, Rock is the most recent one.
>>23565478WhERe IS HE ??!!
>>23565835Welp, that was a decent consecutive run.I guess they ran out of obvious stuff to talk about.
>>23565863illiterate
Where can I read the rest of DUST? Is it even fully translated yet. Since Dex and Comick went under, I've been high and dry. Same for X-11 and whatever's out of Seerauber.
>>23565998wait till zeonic or scanguard translate them
>>23561949>ywn get GG adaptation where Ikeda plays Affranchi Char and groans in his sexy voice while furiously jerking off in the cockpit.why even live? it's not fair sisters.
>>23561431Why is it that the more "futuristic" a mecha gets, they all start to resemble Xenogears
>>23565156Gaia Gear is its own thing.
>>23566087Because it’s all drawn my Ishigaki
>>23563358So the big innovation is remembering the anti-personnel hand guns like in Dougram and Dragonar?
>>23566241it's not an innovation, it's a terror weapon
>>23564944That didn't stop FSS
>>23566265don't be obtuse
>>23566087It isn't supposed to be futuristic. It's supposed to be a weird newtype variant with funnels. Its sister units are relatively normal.
>>23566267I'm serious. There isn't a matter of "it's too hard", most obstacles can be overcome with will + money. The question is more whether someone has the will to make a manga of Gaia Gear. I don't think an anime would happen without significant changes to the story since the very first chapters have a huge ass anti-white rant and there's the masturbation chapter but maybe they'd do an adaptation of the radio drama version.
>>23564952>>23564964Here's something fun that Ogata said seven years ago in an interview:>――新たな宇宙世紀100年の歴史を描く新作タイトルをシリーズ展開していくプロジェクト「UC NexT 0100」はすごく大きな意味合いをもつ発表だと思います。ここで描かれるのは宇宙世紀の本伝になるのでしょうか? それとも外伝的なスピンオフものになるのでしょうか?>「本伝です。もちろんパラレルで今までの『サンダーボルト』のようなものもあったりするんですけど、『UC NexT 0100』とついているタイトルに関しては、全部正規のナンバリングタイトルです。これはある意味で決意表明のようなものですね」Of course, everything is a subject to change, but recent F90 project and Crossbone are a part of UC NexT 0100, meaning that at least at some point those were considered by current Gundam executive producer to be either "canon" or to be adapted into "canon" in the future.
>>23566272come on anon, you're better than this
>>23566272>The question is more whether someone has the will to make a manga of Gaia GearNo, the question is if Tomino, Kadokawa and Banrise all agree to commission a manga artist to make an adaptation of Gaia Gear. And the chances of that are infinitesimal
>>23566286It’s crazy how fucked the federation gets between UC 0105 to 0123
>>23566272>Five Star Stories: Film from 1989>Gaia Gear: Nothing animated and it's now 2025, the dark age of anime
>>23566312Does it though? I feel like ever since ZZ their main schtick was repeating "Nothing ever happens." and basically being right every time, because its every problem basically gets solved by concerned citizens (or it is literally a nothingburger like with Unicorn).
>>23566312they've always been like that
>>23566263Adding more vulcans in a different spot than just the head or chest isn't very terrifying.
>>23566329If you keep saying "nothing ever happens" when stuff happens and is solved by not-the-goverment, people stop paying taxes to said government or respecting its laws.
>>23566337>>23563362
>>23566329Im a zoomer who lives in a post unicorn world where post CCA the Feddies have an almost pre OYW strangle hold on the earth-sphere
>>23565629As >>23563411 stated, Zanscare pretty much guaranteed that WoL remained forgotten tech as The V2 is the last Mobile suit to properly have one. This explained why we never seen such tech around the events of Gaia Gear and G-Savior.
>>23566176Is that the prototype for the Zanspine?
>>23563411Zanscare had nothing to do with that??
>>23566446completely unrelated, actually
>>23566454I think he meant the Jupiter Empire as they killed the SNRI folks in S7. Although I don't think they started the Victory series development at that point yet, or at least be fully along enough to where they wouldn't have the data to make the WoL after.
>>23566503yeah that's decades too early for Victory
>>23565473check this out, Jamesgun Ver. Ka
>>23566087So, they all eventually become shit?
>>23566659I said Xenogears, not your mother.
>>23566667Ah yes, so you meant Xenogears a shit, yes, that's true.
>>23561431Someone tell me what's the point of UC shows that go past CCA when Amuro and Char bite the big one?Does ANYONE like these post-CCA shows?It just reminds me of how everyone during 0079 have all died and makes me sad.
>>23566680Pretty sure everyone in this thread likes them. That's why they're here.And everyone you ever know or love will be dead in a short few decades, including yourself.
>>23566680there are still plenty of characters in 0079 that are still alive during the time of Unicorn to Hathaway era. it only get's a bit ridiculous by F91 and truly absurd by Victory when even the children during 0079 would be elderly bed-ridden fucks.and don't get me started on G-Saviour.i would say it does get pretty dark once you realize that human society never got better past CCA, and in fact got worse and worse, with never-ending wars sprouting everywhere and technology in decline and Earth being a backwater planet.sad shit
>>23566087It's shocking how good looking the original RX78 looked like. It's so simple, clean, and easy on the eyes, and yet it's so iconic and unique.All these other Gundams and mechs have so much fucking doodads/details/panels out the wazoo, no to mention that so many of them have a shit ton of spikes or just plain ol' metal blocks.They all remind me of Michael Bay Transformers where it's a visual amorphous clusterfuck and there's no simple unique eyegrabbing thing to it.
>>23566715Here's your original RX-78 bro
>>23566839when will Gundam designers learn that less is more?
>>23566866Here's your original RX-78 bro
>>23564944>These designs are too complex for traditional 2D animationGundam doesn't do traditional 2D animation anymore, it's almost all 3DCG now.
I find it kind of amusing that V2, which is more or less the most powerful machine in UC, doesn't have any built in system to facilitate newtype hax
>>23566695I think the funnier irony is how by 0172 the Jupiter colonies are supposedly ideal and peaceful while the Earth Sphere is in endless Civil War with itself. Meanwhile Mars is where all the outcasts go to ignore both.
>>23566874Why are you lying?
>>23566695>avifagOpinion discarded.
>>23566715>>23566839>>23566874>>23566964What do the crotch squares do?
>>23566917Because the Jovian Sphere has a solid mostly-stanle government that cares about the people. It also has a gun to the rest of the solar system where they can stop the energy fleets so no one tries to invade them.Their main issue is their crown princess was lost in cold sleep for a decade and is now eloping with a guy going on a Paul Atredies golden path journey.
>>23566356He could've accomplished the same thing with the head vulcans.
>>23566992Crotch square or thigh square? The yellow bricks are like supercapacitors to help the motors
>>23566443The G-Self Perfect Pack has that weird particle propulsion that comes off of the clear parts of its cannon-wings. And the Kabakali's minovsky flight creates some sort of propulsion in atmosphere that lets it fly around. Like halfway between a minovsky craft and the minovsky drive. Considering they're both using ancient UC technology, i wouldn't be surprised if they're minovsky drive derivatives because they're both particle-based propulsion. The Perfect Pack's is probably close to the minovsky drive since it's the main propulsion on earth and space.
>>23566508See >>23565629Same people>>23566503The Wings of Light did survive and get to Jupiter, who made the Phantom Gundam. The data could have survived through them, backed up on some hard drive somewhere even if it's not the real deal. Plus some other people tinker with the Phantom Gundam too in Dust so it's possible that the idea survived.
>>23567254>The Wings of Light did survive and get to Jupiter, who made the Phantom Gundam. The data could have survived through them, backed up on some hard drive somewhere even if it's not the real deal. Plus some other people tinker with the Phantom Gundam too in Dust so it's possible that the idea survived.Actually, I'm pretty sure that Phantom got eventually mass-produced by not-Titans in Earth Sphere and Minovsky Drive used was improved significantly compared to knock-off from the original Phantom (though it is still not quite as good as Victory 2's).
>>23567254yeah we know they're the same people, no secret. But at this point Victory was at absolute most a hint of a twinkle in their eyes, and even that would have been a very different concept than what was made in the end. I guess it's just semantics, in a way.
Rig keeps growing on me l
>>23567232Naruhodanke
>>23568302I've just been thinking about G-Cannons.I hope we'll get more variations of it and Heavygun.
>>23563175>holds the record for an absurdly long timeHow did they do it?
>>23568420I don't think 3 years is a long time.
>>23568302Hardygun is mostly likely coming next around this month, I can feel it
>>23568323same, though I really wish they made G-Cannon 650 and Magna 700. It would fit in much better with everything else.>>23568494or they'll leave it at this and not make another Silhouette suit for a year. It happened before.
I love how Font got a harem of 3
Gundam will never move on from the early UC.Why you think they had to desperately resort to an alternate universe UC like Origin or Thunderbolt?
>>23568621Define move on. Because the thing that the Gundam would never move on from isn't even early UC, it is OYW specifically.Though if you mean that Gundam will never explore UC 0110 and beyond it is a midwit take, especially with Hathaway movies being a thing now.>Why you think they had to desperately resort to an alternate universe UC like Origin or Thunderbolt?Because they couldn't reasonably fit it in the regular UC. You'd have a better point if you pointed to GQuuuuuuX, but that opens a different can of worms.
>>23568496They should've just made the G-Cannon a 2-star 700 cost. 750 cost is full of nothing but Crossbones and Neo Gundams I'm one of them
>>23568752that's too much, G-Cannon would be great for 650 but a cost above Den'an Zon and even with F90 is swinging too far in the opposite direction. Having it at 600 sucks mostly because it reaffirms the misconception it's Heavygun's GM Cannon equivalent
>>23568756Isn't the F90 700? And the Den'an Zon should be 700 too. 750 needs more (good) content.
>>23568762yeah F90 is 700, you suggested G-Cannon at 700And I agree, Den'an Zon should have been the first 700 grunt. It's really not inferior to F90.
>>23568767Misread that. I thought you were trying to say it was above the Den'an Zon and even the F90. The G-Cannon isn't really that far below the F90 in specs, if at all. It trades some thrust-mass ratio for a bigger reactor, but if it detached its guns it'd probably be a solid dogfighter. And they both lack a beam shield. It's really only the Heavygun that's really subpar.
I never watched anything past CCA.Do the late UC shows mythologize the OYW or Amuro Ray?Does his legend fade to myth?It'd be funny if folks during the future UC are like archaeologists of sorts and treats ancient extinct societies and do the same for Zeon.
>>23568783nobody cares about some soldier that fought in a war 50 years agoexcept religious nutjobs
By the time of G-Savior, everyone from the 0079 era is long dead.in G-Savior, what connections are there to 0079 that are shown?if none are shown, is it really a UC show?
>>23568783No, and most people don't even remember the Gundam too well. The F91 is only dubbed the "Gundam" in the movie because one girl is like "hey wasn't there a famous mobile suit a long time ago called the Gundam?" Maybe engineers called it the F91 Gundam during internal development, but the rank and file and civilians don't really know about Gundams so they just read the numbers on the shoulders and were like "so this MS is called the F91" until they dubbed it a Gundam based on likeness.
>>23568787are you stupid?
>>23568789Soldiers do remember a bit more. BESPA had several pilots that were angry the LM was using the Victory as it had a Gundam head. It was something along the lines of "how dare you claim to have a Gundam when we have the righteous cause".So it was a bit mythologized that the "good" side has a Gundam, but that leaves open the question why Zanscare didn't make such a MS head (in universe).
>>23568816>why Zanscare didn't make such a MS head (in universe).Shokew. Didn't work out.
>>23568818Eh I'm pretty sure that is just supposed to be an insect head like the rest of their suits. It doesn't have the face vents a Gundam does. And the eyes are wrong.
>>23568822nah, it's a gundam through and through
>>23568789How many normalfags would generally know about Gundams in general?
>>23568818>>23568822Shokew had such a sleek and pleasing design. I was hoping that it would be the secondary mobile suit for the main cast, kinda like the Hyaku Shiki in Zeta. Marbet could have used it.
>>23568881Yeah I do need to pickup the RE-100 sometime
>>23568816BESPA is former SNRI so they'd probably know more about gundams.
>>23568883it has a good bootleg
How many kits are left before they have no choice but to 2.0 this bad boy?
>>23568960infinity
>>23568948I must have blanked on Zanscare's military then as that's who I meant to say. Unless everyone from the first 10 episodes was all test pilots from BESPA.>>23568949I saw and might consider it. I bought the Osiris Dominator as my first bootleg this week.
>>23566176Missed opportunity to call it "Zandam"
>>23568963>Osiris DominatorThat's 3rd party
>>23570785same shit
Man, I hope some chang at Daban gets pissed off enough to make a MG Dijeh, Bawoo, or Zaku II Kai like they did with the Jagd Doga
>>23568787The things you see in the first 5 minutes.
>>23566877No one wants to see that though.
>>23570849let them cookfind out the customers don't want itthey keep cooking the same thing anyway and make enough money to keep them going but not enough money to stop pushing gundam completely
>>23570849delulu
I love Font
>>23572328His plan makes sense butthree nations to balance eachother out. 1. Jupiter sphere2. Earth sphere colonies3. A new earth Federation?Why do that? How is this new Feddie government supposed to be on equal terms with the colonies and Jupiter if it's entirely earth-based with barely any spaceborne territory?
>>23573321Remember the Cyclops would be at the center of it and they're an actual functional military unlike small scale garrisons and militias of the colonies. Even if all these come together into a formal alliance Federation will still have certain advantages over them. Enough to be its own player but not capable of overwhelming the Colonies, let alone with Jupiter as a distinct faction.What's really funny to me is how Mars isn't even a consideration, it really is an absolute backwater.
>>23572328We know, Belle
>>23564935Why you say Rise? That sounds so sinister. CONSENT as a whole was good for the people who wanted it and only had a few bad apples like Garneaux and other former Feds
>>23573331>What's really funny to me is how Mars isn't even a consideration, it really is an absolute backwater.Don't worry Uranus Zeon will make it important again when they will use as their main base in the region.
yearning for 99...
>>23561939You are a lying liar. How does it feel to have your pants constantly on fire?
>>23573905it doesn't get better only because you can't improve perfection
>>23566839I feel like Bandai has forgotten that the reason Gunpla was so popular is that they were cheap and easy to build, they were perfect for kids. Who would wanna build this abomination?
>>23573940They have their fingers in all the pies, they're also making new EG kits and producing more RE/100 and Full Mechanics instead of costlier MGs
>>23573940The Gelgoog and Light Guncannon were huge sellers. Scalpers were doing stupid things with the extra Red Gundam Bits.
>>23561850With the character art I agree, I'm not a fan of how he tends to draw the features of his characters and give everyone a wide muppet mouth. I've noticed when his characters get put in games like G Gen and SRW they usually redraw and fix that. As for the mobile suits I think he was doing fine up until around Steel 7, then he went off the deep end. A lot of the mobile suits in the sequel mangas look more like they belong to some goofy country in G Gundam.
>>23573977filtered
>>23562054What MS is that on Vol.2’s cover?
>>23562054I dunno. F90FF manga was boring as fuck
>>23574272Mars F90 Gundam unit 2 with the mission pack N-Type Verethragna
Gump is a classic of course, but I think the Buddy/Badi is underrated, its head is a Dunbine reference.>>23574300skill issue. Sad!
>>23574557I'm a little bit pissed now that there wasn't a mixing build MS in Dust based on Galbaldy and referencing L-Gaim.
For me, it's the Midas
>>23574590I fucking love Midas
>>23574557>its head is a Dunbine reference.The body looks like something from Turn-A
My mum came over carrying some books neither of us recognised asking if they were mine and I get a metaphorical punch to the face because the cover of the book on the top of the stack has the fucking G-Saviour on it.
>>23576730That's fucking wild.
>>23574590>>23574591I like long leg guy.
>>23561431>*casually survives the end of the universe*
>>23576999I mean, not a lot of original Zaku IIs survived OYW, so it only stands to reason that Borjannons would be replicas with open-sourced spec.
>>23576999>>23581090Wonder if the Borjannons were Oldmobile type Zakus with late UC tech but OYW body/frame or if they are retro OYW models made for historical parades and reenactments.
>>23581090a shit ton of Zakus survived the war because there was a SHIT ton of Zakus builtthat said it's very strongly implied Borjanons are the early type RF units or closely based on them
>>23581369No, there were a ton of Doms and Rick Doms built, but most Zaku IIs were destroyed. By the end of the war Zeon had more Gelgoogs than Zakus.
>>23581392no
>>23561955Is the game in english?
>>23581419No it's not and it's extremely text heavy.
>>23581419yes and there's not much talking anyway
>>23566176Bless him.
EZ javelin
>>23583922The fins everywhere ruin it
pink monoeye is just wrong but hey, Amakusa love!
>>23586715Still weird how this eventually became the Crossbone X-12
>>23586755Not really? X-12 is a fusion of Crossbone with Jupiter tech in general, there's definitely some Amakusa in there but it didn't straight up become X-12.
>>23566176It's funny how the Crossbone Grampus from Love and Piece, despite being made by Jovians, has a Bespa/Zanscare design language
>>23586761I said FRAME as in the inner skeleton, frame is different from full suit
>>23586766>I said FRAME>Still weird how this eventually became the Crossbone X-12???
>>23586766*I meant frame
>>23586768You know what I meant.
>>23586763not sure if I see it to be honest, it's designed as a mix of Crossbone and Phantom. There are some links to Zanscare tech in Crossbone for sure but I'm not sure if I see it here>>23586769fair enough...still doesn't make sense, though. Amakusa is a 18m class suit, if anything the frame is probably the closest to original Crossbones>>23586771I absolutely did not, anon
I can't wait for the Jupiter Crossbones to enter the general public consciousness of the english fandom.
>>23581392no they didn't, they built maybe 100 Gelgoogs iirc. There were like 9000 Zaku IIs built
>>23586776Small shoulders, eye-like sensors on the body, the back thrustersHead is like an earlier version of the Rig Shockew
>>23586811depending on the source it's like between 100 and 500 I believe, either way not even remotely close to Zaku II>>23586818>Small shouldersthat's not really common for Zanscare mecha I think?>eye-like sensors on the bodyditto here, and for that matter I don't see any on Grampus either but I may be blind>the back thrustersI don't think there's a single Zanscare mecha with jutting out thrusters like that...>Head is like an earlier version of the Rig ShockewI will give you that though, it is kinda reminscent of Rig Shokew's mohawk beam thingiethough it's over 15 years later so that's the other way around
>>23586715I like the yellow in the original color scheme, makes it look like a zombie
I wish the Crossbone mangas got translated faster. I should have started learning JP years ago.
>>23586811>minus 8900 Zaku IIsSucks to suck.
I am trying to get into late UC manga but I'm a braindead retard, what's the reading order for the F90, Crossbone etc. mangas? I found several of each
>>23587553The F90 manga are collection of stories that don't really intersect with Crossbone. They explore the ~15 years before the F91 movie. The 1990 manga is a very short read to get you introduced, but the 2019 and 2024 manga are quite a bit longer and flesh out a lot more story details. IIRC the 1990 and 2019 manga are finished and translated, while the 2024 manga is ongoing.Reading order:Gundam F90 (1990) F90FF (2019)F90 Cluster (2024)Crossbone Gundam is another collection of stories and they take place in the period after F91 and beyond. There isn't much overlap with F90 since Crossbone takes place like another 15+ years afterward. I think for the entire series translations exist up until Ghost or Dust, I don't remember.Reading order:Crossbone Gundam (1994)Crossbone Gundam: Skull Heart (2003)Crossbone Gundam: Steel Seven (2006)Crossbone Gundam: Ghost (2011)Crossbone Gundam: Dust (2016)Crossbone Gundam: X-11 (2021)Crossbone Gundam: Love & Piece (2022)Crossbone Gundam: Seeräuber
>>23587553Okay, with Crossbone you can go with >>23587565 but with F90 stuff everything is more complicated.For starters, there are two manga based on original F90 story. One was targeting older audience and the other is for kids. Both got some interesting stuff going on, but also different names for MC's friends. I recommend checking out both as they are short.Then there was Formula Report 0122 video game. It was adapted into a short booklet manga and its story was fleshed out in F90 Fastest Formula's flash forward sections. You can just go with FF retelling, but I found that it hits harder when you are at least somewhat aware of what is happening in the original story. Then there is Silhouette Formula and it's side story chapter Ghost of Formula. They introduce a bunch of characters that are important in FF and Cluster. Also they are short.Then technically there is Climax UC story, but it is untranslated and relatively unimportant. Skip it or just read up a summary somewhere if you want.After that there are Fastest Formula and Cluster. Former is technically a prequel to F90 and latter is technically a sequel to F90, but they pull the story from everything related to the time period and locations.
>>23587614got names or anything?
Buch test type machine in newest F90 Cluster chapter
>>23588357helps out the F90 gang and muderfucks a bunch of Zeeks with late type RF suits
and F90 aura farms
>>23574591>beam pizza cutter
>>23588364I really want to get a MG F90, but the billion pack versions of it are always stopping me.
>>23588384I can confirm F90 is still a very fun kit and looks excellent without any packs
>>23588357I'm guessing F90 Cluster is going to end right after Iron Mask becomes Iron Mask.
>>23588402it's ought to go on past that, F90 II and Cluster itself appear post F91 movie
>>23588357This looks off to me as a Buch's MS + it is weird that it appeared in open like that.>>23588364Wait, which F90 is that?
>>23588455>This looks off to me as a Buch's MS + it is weird that it appeared in open like that.looks to be basically a Den'an Zon with a modified head (common practice until the Cosmo Babylonia War) and a variant of shelf nozzles on the back, I think Berga Giros style?The pilot is going off about how it's the noble's duty to defend the city and yadda yadda, as I understand it's a PR move for Buch to back up the Feddie forces there and also help tie up a loose end in the form of Zeon remnants. Kudos from SNRI and MHA are good to have.
>>23587565>>23587614Thank you frens
god bless Hasegawa for saving the design
>>23588463Looks like Berga Dalas shoulders and backpack, and a modified Denan Gei head? It has tubes and ear wings.
>>23565462Big fan of Mad Wang then?
>>23568783There is sort of an element of that last bit in G-Reco
>>23587614The first F90 was not targeted towards kids you dumb pleb. Just because it was drawn by a loli artist doesn't mean it was meant for children. sD club has shady manga in it so tell me how's it for kids again? Skipping Climax UC is dumb because it's deeply tied to F90FF but you obviously don't know that since you skipped it
>>23590165>The first F90 was not targeted towards kids you dumb pleb. Just because it was drawn by a loli artist doesn't mean it was meant for children. sD club has shady manga in it so tell me how's it for kids again?You got me. Both manga are for kids. FF and Cluster too.The distinction I was making is that F90 from SD Club was dumbed down. And personally, I think that in certain moments it made it better, like making Def more hot-blooded.>Skipping Climax UC is dumb because it's deeply tied to F90FF but you obviously don't know that since you skipped itI mean, yes, attack on Frontier I and a few more Kamuna cameos were depicted in FF, and yes, it was an important event in Climax UC, but, sorry, I consider it a shallow connection. From F90 it got Job as John SNRI and Bosch. From Formula Wars you got Charles backstory, basically. From Silhouette Formula you got Galemson. All of those are way more intertwined with FF, let's not kid ourselves.
Though to be fair, speaking of Climax UC connection, Cluster already does more with it, as Buch's MS in >>23588357 >>23588360 is piloted by Shun Tachibana, and in a previous chapter he was trying to recruit Ivalu, only getting interrupted by Oldsmobile attack.
Cursed Mars Gundam disguise.
>>23590383Kinda hard for it to be dumbed down when it started serialization BEFORE the other version started. Maybe read the five chapter one first before painting yourself as a dumbass, or do you want a bigger brush?
>>23591357Both authors were given the same outline to work with. SD Club version is the "dumbed down" one in comparison with the "canon" version.
>>23591349The Shanel was never deployed in combat so its cover would be blown right away
>>23591497That's Karyovin, but it's not what I referred to.Look closer at F90 (it's in front of Jurick).
>>23591349Jurick jumpscare, why does it keep popping up nowadays? GBO2 has it, it kicked ass in Moon of all things, now here?
>>23591380No they weren't. Read Yamaguchi's interview >>23591532It wasn't in Moon
>>23591588you're fucking stupid
>>23591512It has a monoeye
>>23591593Congrats, that's not the Jurick, it's an offshoot of it that has some weirder fucked up name.
>>23591687you're REALLY fucking stupid
>>23591690You just can't read. There's a MS file on it you dumb faggot
>>23592096go on then, post it
>>23592098Yeah he's trolling. That's the Jurick
>>23592101Can't prove he isn't though. Wiki is missing a shitton of scans
>>23592101that's not even trolling, it's just being fucking dumb>>23592119wiki isn't everything
>>23592121But it is for this shit fandom that can't read for shit
>>23568833How many normalfags know about the Sherman tank right now?
>>23592121Like Zeon had two different aquatic gorilla suits
>>23591349SNRI really did install v-fin and made a symmetrical shoulder on it just to show "their" unit 5 to the public, huh.Also there is Dessa Type in the back.
>>23591349Why do these look like they were just badly photoshopped into a photo?
It's neat that N-pack is actually compatible with F80.
>>23588357>>23588360Yanase design
>>23592688Neat. So he did both SNRI and Buch grunts.I wonder if we'll see more of his designs in the manga.
