How do you make Zeon interesting again? I mean we know theyre always gonna milk the fuck out of them in UC but seriously there's only so much you can squeeze out of "WW2 Germany but in spess" or "Muh spacenoid independence." Whats your suggestion on having a new or refreshing take on the Zeeks?
Zeon version of Atomwaffen Division. Burn it all, earth and colony included. Those who survive the cataclysm will be born again as Newtypes and rebuild civilization from the ashes of the rotten old type system and their social contracts.
Zabis get ipad.
The real question is how to make the federation as interesting as Zeon. League Militaire almost gets there but their machines are still the same boring GM-derivatives.
>>23561818Make em into a dysfunctional alliance of 4 distinct powers that are distinct looking and have distinct doctrines of waging war. And also petty power grab shenanigans that impede the war effort. They hate each other but they hate the threat from space more.The Americas and Japan and Australia being your typical capitalist neoliberal democracy with the typical GM and Anaheim inspired designsMainland Asia being Communist inspired. With designs invoking Red Guard mech aestheticRussia and Europe being Nationaliatic bloc that blends medieval knight and colonial era designs into their mechsAfrica and MENA being Assymetric warfare inspired mech designs. Like snipers that have a mirage colliad or armor that disguises as harmless asteroids until its too late.It makes more sense than just one but world gov with no distinctions despite our millenia long conflicts between the clashes of different cultural civilizations.And yeah it does sound G Gundam inspired but not as Flanderized just subtle but distinct enough that you can tell em apart. Just like the real UN
>>23561746The problem is this isn't that far off from what Neo Zeo was trying to do in Char's counter attack, also Zoltan in Narrative is kind of like that too. >>23562208SEED almost does this with the Earth Alliance but its nowhere near as interesting as what you're describing still even if its a step in the right direction. Personally I'd make Russia/Eurasia more Nazbol, sort of in between the Nationalist Europe and the Communist east asia you're describing with Neo Soviet sort of aesthetic with some Slavic Pagan/Orthodoxy symbolism here and there.
>>23562208I have something like this as my personal autistic headcannon setting for my MSIA collection:>The White Base and all crew and suits are destroyed early on, OYW drags out for almost a decade>With the massive loss of life, economic damage, and climate damage to Earth and destruction of several Sides the EF's grip on mankind has crumbled but not collapsed>Eastern North America, South America, Western Europe, and some Lunar Settlements still firmly in Fed control, i.e. mostly OWY Federation. GM derivatives, Type 61s, Balls, Guntanks, Guncannons. Fed units are common in Europe and SE Asia as allied support>Parts of Europe and Side 7 use OZ mobile suits. The Earth Sphere Alliance, previously a minor political bloc within the Federation, has become a far more powerful voice on Earth as the war dragged on. Backed by the aristocratic Romefeller Foundation, the ESA develops the Leo and Tallgeese variants through industrial espionage/tech sharing with mainline Federation. The baseline Leo is mosty on the GM, with advanced Tallgeese variants said to be based on stolen Gundam designs. The ESA maintains neutrality between the Federation and Zeon, though border skirmishes are frequent between all three factions.>Caliphate of Saud uses Maganacs. The Caliphate has recently declared independence from both the Earth Federation and Zeonic occupation. Their mobile suit tech is primary based on reverse engineered Zeon suits but incorporates advances "borrowed" from OZ and Fed designs. Both Zeon and the Federation tolerate the Caliphate as a buffer zone between Zeonic Africa and mainland Europe>Principality of Zeon. Pretty much the same as OYW, but with a few more advanced designs thrown in. After Operation British, Zeon forces occupy much of North America, Europe, and SE Asia. Operation Odessa sees Zeon forced out of Eastern Europe, but a third landing operation sees Zeon forces reinforce Africa.
>>23562350As far i can tell Neo Zeon wasnt discriminatory against their own spacenoids or newtypes. The group i mentioned would also equally target them for miscegenation and betraying the Zabis by agreeing to surrendering or being defeatist. They'd gas all the colonies and axis drop earth. Atomwaffen unironically calls themselves the heralds of the apocalypse
>>23561687They become Space Germany, become a legitimate peaceful power in Space to rival the EF while earth fragments into factions with Zeon and Titan larpers spearheading their territories
>>23562350Char was sacrificing himself to evolve Humanity and save the Earth. Don't you dare compare him to the piece of shit Accelerationists we have.
>>23563638>>23562208>>23561746This thread reminds me why im glad you fuckers dont write for the series
>>23564224Theres not much of a high bar given the recent series
>>23561687ReZeon wrangling the shit out of the other factions trying to keep them from doing a terrorism and setting them back another few decades AGAIN
>>23563638>OYW goes on for 10 years>Zeon and Fed tech is somehow worse than it is by Zeta
>>23565843I'm one of those people who are annoyed with just how fast tech progresses in the movie & anime OYW. They go from Zaku IIs being hot shit to Gelgoogs in like 9 months. Maybe my headcannon setting is more based on the novel where Amuro dies and Zeon only had Zakus and Doms during the way.
>>23561687I'd have a series that explores what the UC in general would be like under a Zeon victory with the increasing factionalism and tensions building therin, imagine that! Alternatively, a farther off version off that that after countless powergrabs, downfalls, uprisings, it's all just referenced as a morass and literally anybody could be in power at the moment. This would only serve to answer the retarded questions from retarded people (me) of what (a) Zeon would have done against the non-Zeon threats of late UC (and of course making new mobile suits that may or may not be analogous to the Federation's in the normal UC, using the new technology of the times for the zeekwankers)
>>23565972Tech progression in the OYW is fast but this is the reverse and borderline stasis.You gave everyone a reason to never stop wartime levels of production and Zeon 10 whole years to cement their control over their Earth possessions and start bringing those industrial lines over to Zeon mobile suits.They should be pumping out Dom and Gelgoog descendants by UC 0089.
>>23565972>Maybe my headcannon setting is more based on the novel where Amuro dies and Zeon only had Zakus and Doms during the way.reminder that doms are the endgame unit in the 0079 novels because they are armed with beam sabers and beam bazookas as standard weapons
Keep in mind that this is all in regards to my personal headcannon for the toys sitting on my shelf>>23566298>reminder that doms are the endgame unit in the 0079 novels because they are armed with beam sabers and beam bazookas as standard weaponsYes, though see below>>23566283>Tech progression in the OYW is fast but this is the reverse and borderline stasis.Kinda sorta. Looking at later Cold War weapons development, you've got 50 year old designs that are still in service. The airframe/mobile suit design may be old but weapons they use are upgraded and internal parts would have incremental improvements. Having a unit be obsolete after 5 months or less just seems ridiculous >You gave everyone a reason to never stop wartime levels of production and Zeon 10 whole years to cement their control over their Earth possessions and start bringing those industrial lines over to Zeon mobile suits.Maybe Zeon produced a shitton of Zakus early on that are still in service. Maybe they went for a high/low setup where Zakus fill the occupation role for these territories while Doms and Gelgoogs are the F35 and F22 analogues. Maybe in my setting Doms are ground use only and Gelgoogs are an expensive wonder-unit that can do ground and space, but are due to cost are more like special forces units>They should be pumping out Dom and Gelgoog descendants by UC 0089.They may well be, but also maybe a Zaku machinegun with a beam-infused HEAT warhead is perfectly capable of puncturing Luna Titanium. That's not getting into the Federation side. There's all kinds of GM variants that could be in use, up to GM IIs, GM customs, and GM ground-types. I also don't like Gundams themselves, so changing the setting to focus on grunt suits is fun to me.
