I think it's pretty dumb that more mecha don't make use of the fact that they're NOT limited by human anatomy to their advantage.If your mecha can't spin its torso around 360 degrees like a tank turret, that's fucking dumb.If your mecha can't articulate its limbs in both direction of its joints, that's fucking dumb.
>>23564107>If your mecha can't spin its torso around 360 degrees like a tank turret, that's fucking dumb.This prevents you from having anything going through the waist that's not a loose cable or something. Reactor or fuel tanks or whatever have to be moved in their entirety into the chest or pelvis or have to sit straight on the axis of rotation, which restricts your design options a lot. Still doable - IIRC some of the Turn A designs built on a flexible spine do that.>If your mecha can't articulate its limbs in both direction of its joints, that's fucking dumb.Yeah, this is great. Plus it's well documented that punching something with a spinning fist is better than a still fist.
>>23564123>This prevents you from having anything going through the waist that's not a loose cable or somethingSlip Rings, baby
>>23564126That'd be the something, though thank you. Could not remember the name of those for the life of me.
>>23564107we just had a show with this but you wouldn't know about it
>>23564107the more flexible a robot is, the less durable, weaker, and probably more heavier the robot will be.
>>23564168Wider range of motion would actually help prevent damage by mitigating hyperextension risks.
>>23564107The humanoid design with all its limits is peak advancement tho.In the 2001 movie A.I. Artifical Intelligence the future robots were still humanoid in appearance even after all their excelerated evolution because it is the peak design of intelligent creatures.
>>23564182>peak advancement
Counterpoint- it usually looks stupid. Even battletech very rarely actually shows them walking around shooting backwards with their guns even though it's a commonly enough encountered rule because it just looks fucking stupid.
>>23564126Engineer here, slip rings kinda suck to work with. Really suck, in fact.
>>23564238Battletech looks fucking stupid in general.
>>23564354Any mecha design would be a hangar queen to begin with. I really hope MS repair engineers got a good rate in the OYW.
>>23564354Listen there’s a reason literally every tank on earth uses slip rings even though they suck to work with. When you’re talking about the life and death stakes of combat, you engineer every advantage you can get.
>>23564238A lot of BT mechs can’t actually spin their torso past a “human” limit. They’re not designed to, that’s why they walk backwards when conducting a fighting retreat.
Mechanical wrists should be able to continually spin. Still have no idea how he lost this fight.
>>23564574I'd assume anon would be talking about mechs that can flip their arms to their rear arc, which is the more common ability than extended torso twist.
>>23564612Is it? Do they have cameras to the rear as well or do they turn their heads on a swivel?
>>23564107You mean like, instead of cock and balls at crotch, the robot can have cock and balls on its head?
>>23564615All mechs are female, so they can't actually have cock and balls anywhere.But yes, the vagina can be on the back of the knees if you wanted.
>>23564107>If your mecha can't spin its torso around 360 degrees like a tank turret, that's fucking dumbThat's part of why the Turn A is my favourite Gundam. I'm pretty sure it can do this and the chest missiles make it an actual turret. The head and hands spin around too at least.
>>23564608Most gundam and mobile suit wrists spin to open space door hatches but they never used it for combat until Turn A did the spinning saber thing.
>>23564126I just remembered this guy who built a house that is constantly rotating and the solutions he had to come up with to figure out how to supply water and power to a moving house.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gisdyTBMNyQ
>>23564612Most battletech mechs don't have heads to begin with. Or cameras. Or arm articulation.
>>23564662Xabungle proves that's a skill issue. The nimblest shit are those Jeep faced walkers that leap like frogs in a dynamite pond.
too many faggots in this thread.
>>23564698The human shoulder can rotate in a circle
>>23564703Lies. That's the mark of the devil(gundam). Humans only have a 90 degree bed on their arms and legs and their shoulder articulation is limited by their armor flaps.
I do agree its pretty cool when Mecha spin their wrists and shit.
>PTSD pilots who keep tweaking their joints and pulling muscles while off duty because they keep trying to move their bodies like they've instinctually learned to move their mechs
>>23564627F91 and Victory did it first. In fact it's basically a F91 trademark. it does it in like every game it's in
>>23564662>Most battletech mechs don't have heads to begin with. Or cameras. Or arm articulationThey're supposed to have all of these, the games are just shitty.
>>23564182>peak peak peakShut the fuck up zoomer piece of shit.
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>>23565491Maybe I’m mixing up Gundam with some other show, but wasn’t there something about swinging tbe beam saber made it ineffective, like a lighter in the wind?
>>23565516Not that I can remember. I mean, most of the time to attack with a beam saber you swing it, if not stabbing with it. Certain shows like Zeta would make the sabers bend while swinging but it was more just a visual style than a problem that made them less effective as a weapon.
>>23564107What is the point of making a war machine in the form of a human if you do not apply human limitations?Just make a tank. Just make a fighter jet. The point of the Gundam having elbows is that elbows only bend one way.
>>23564107Watch/read/play more mecha.
>>23564626Supposedly none of its limb and joint locomotion is due to internal servos or motors, it's essentially puppeteered by an I-field spread across its whole body. So yeah there should be nothing stopping it from spinning 360 at the waist.
>>23564126Huge point of failure.
>>23564107part of the appeal of mecha is as a human stand-in. If the mecha doesn't act human or even alive it's basically just a sub-optimal tank.
>>23566254I wonder why no MBT in the word decides to forgo this "huge point of failure"?Why do you think every tank builder in the world decides to use slip rings instead of forgoing that "huge point of failure"?
>>23566275The appeal is that they're fighter jets that can punch things, fucking tourist.
>>23564107https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiYvjg0F534
>>23566314Most modern war machines aren't built for actual combat, they are built for the sake of being bought. They just slap whatever together regardless of if it's a good idea or not because they know the odds a real war between actual developed countries is basically nil and thus actually doing the job well really doesn't matter much. It just needs to do the job well enough to handle whatever thirdies it is thrown at that decade.
>>23566845So why do the good tanks use slip rings? Or are you saying there are no good tanks?
>>23566847Essentially, yeah. Let's pretend for a second war broke out between real countries, tanks are basically useless until the war reaches a point where one country is trying to subjugate whatever remains of the other country's population living in bombed out ruins. Before that they are just fodder for planes and missiles. Tanks have very little role outside of the role of suppression of non military. Especially modern ones, which are designed with the idea they will never be more than an hour or two from a properly equipped base. They are far from the work horse they were in ww2 and are essentially the land equivalent of battleships in terms of being deprecated hardware.
>>23566855Bro, you might be retarded.
>>23566855Tanks are probably the most essential componet of any ground force. The stalemate in Ukraine is a direct result of both sides inability to conduct armor maneuver operations (Ukraine is too scared to push their tanks forward, Russia is unable to amass their tanks in force and spreads them piecemeal)
>>23566855>Especially modern ones, which are designed with the idea they will never be more than an hour or two from a properly equipped base.The Abrams is designed to operate on long range strike operations with minimal assistance from non-organic maintenance units. This has already been proven in the Thunder Run in Iraq.
>>23566890>relying on organicsGross.
>>23566901Organic and non-organic in this case meaning attachment to your unit or another. The wrecker crew that is in your battalion is organic. The depot-level maintenance unit back at base is non-organic.
>>23564107For neural-link controlled mechs, it doesn’t make sense. The point is that you move the machine the same way you move your body. I’m not sure it’d be possible for a human pilot to override their lifelong instincts to not break their joint as
>>23566929Oh. That's ok then.
