My primary take away from it is that the people who say you can skip ZZ are stupid.Also are there aliens? This wasn't the part of Article 15 people were focusing on but if you're going to bring it up...
anyone skipping zz is presumably also skipping unicornalso, make sure to skip narrative because it's ass
>>23573978Newtypes are aliens. They breed true, like a new species.
>>23573984narrative is unironically good, its main plot is just pixie dust and spit
>>23574057the action scenes are nice but the story is so bad it cancels that out
>>23573978>My primary take away from it is that the people who say you can skip ZZ are stupid.it's been a while since ive seen it but isnt Ple the only real connection to ZZ?
>>23574120Well the Nahel Argama is also back, but as a direct connection I feel knowing Ple and Ple Two's story added a lot of weight to Marida's story that I don't think I'd have gotten otherwise, also indirectly I think ZZ mentally primed me for Full Frontal, a second Char is not something I would have accepted as well if ZZ hadn't already established Neo Zeon doing this sort of thing with Ple.So yes it is only really Ple but she is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
>>23574120The fact that Haman Karn lost and died in the Neo Zeon War is a direct cause to Londo Bell existing and Char coming to power in CCA. You can't have CCA without ZZ, and you can't have Unicorn without CCA. It's that simple. Anyone implying otherwise is just outright trolling.
>>23574227This is why all true patricians go the Zeta movies are canon route. Don't have to deal with the shitty character-destroying fanfics that come after
>>23574120that schizo girl from Torrington episode is an homage to the gelgoog pilot in Africa arc of ZZ.
>>23573984>>23574057I just watched it, it's... meh.They somehow made it feel shorter than it actually was in a bad way. Incredibly nothing feeling so the music drops and attempted emotions with the newtype miracle didn't hit at all.The premise of the story is alright but it really relies on you buying into and caring about the connection of the 3.It's annoying because I feel if I was in the writing room and had some authority I could have saved this movie.Cut out the Neo Zeon pov completely (the villain is shit anyway) use those extra minutes to flesh out the relationship between the characters in the backstory, you can still have the present day to flash back thing but please tell the backstory in chronological order of itself.5/10 Banana was in this for 40 seconds and was the best part.
>>23574340Ironically, the villain of NT has wound up its darling in some circles because of Super Robot Wars salvaging him as a fun side boss.
>>23574340you know it's dire when the highlight is banana saying SORE DEMO
>>23573978OP is a retarded faggot as usual.>Should you skip ZZ?No>Is ZZ good?NoAnd neither is Unicorn. The show is literally cheap (the writing, not the animation) FanFiction, and it's only contribution is showing a little bit of Feddies doing Feddie shit (although not even close to the shit shown in the Novel, insert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpQveRzD3sQ).>>23574245Loni????ZZfags are so desperate they just start pulling shit out of their arses.
>>23574227Don't forget Moussa being removed in ZZ and it still being missing in CCA.
>>23574439Wasn't Moussa detached when Haman rammed Axis on A Baoa Qu?
>>23574481Axis being slammed toward A Baoa Qu/Gate of Zedan was in Z Gundam. Moussa being detached from Axis was Gundam ZZ.
I haven’t watched all the Gundam series, I skipped ZZ and watched Unicorn a long time ago. I found out that the Mineva in Unicorn might be a fake after playing the gacha game and doing the ZZ story. Unicorn is not perfect but I love the designs, the banger OST and the animation.
>>23574642the Mineva that appears in ZZ is a fake, the one in Unicorn is real. She has memories that only the real Mineva would have
>>23574799>MY FANFIC HAS THE REAL MINEVA >AND THE REAL NEWTYPE >AND THE REAL ARTICLE LIST >AND THE REAL ENDING FOR CHAR AND AMURO
>>23574997That's my problem and from what I've seen many other people's problem as well is with Unicorn, that it tends to put a lot of undue importance on it's self.What I mean is that it presents its self as the end of UC and the true sequel to CCA which comes off as jarring when Hathaway's Flash exists (more so now that Hathaway has received an adaption).For example, the retcon with LaPlace's box which attempts to reframe the entirety of UC around it self with it being the original federation charter and it being covered up retroactively being the most important event in the history of UC because the last clause gives newtypes priority in government despite it predating Zeon's newtype theory by almost 70 years
>>23574997i love that the unicorn is so super special it's designated rx-0.not even 1. it has to be even before that.
>>23574997But I haven't written any Gundam fanfic. S-Should I start?
>>23574439>>23574481>>23574544Moussa gets detached from Axis before it hits Zedan in episode 45, 15 minutes in
>>23575245Doesn’t say Newtypes zoomie. Doesn’t say give em priority either. Just says if any radically different mutant space freaks show up, make it a point to give them a spot at the table. DONT be mean. And you know what? That was already happening? You can twist it into Newtypes but the article works the same as if people suddenly grew gills.
>>23575245>What I mean is that it presents its self as the end of UC and the true sequel to CCA which comes off as jarring when Hathaway's Flash exists (more so now that Hathaway has received an adaption).Not really no.Hathaway's Flash represents the new frontier of conflict for UC, one not of ideology, but actual class warfare. Unicorn is the closing chapter for Zeon and the death of its brand of spacenoid supremacy.
>>23576695>Just says if any radically different mutant space freaks show upSpace mutants specifically though. And it does specifically say the Federation should give priority to involving them in administration of the government.>In the future, should the emergence of a new space-adapted human race be confirmed, the Earth Federation shall give priority to involving them in the administration of the government.
>>23576700>Space mutants specifically though. And it does specifically say the Federation should give priority to involving them in administration of the government.It doesn't specifically says Newtype. So even if Spacenoids evolved into Belter types that can't handle being in gravity wells, the Federation was supposed to give them priority to involve them in their governance.It's only the OYW that turned the original EF charter from political scandal into a political nuke that could reignite the OYW 2: Electric Boogaloo.
>>23576665It was reattached to Axis prior to ZZ, where it was removed a second time to be hurled against Core 3.
>>23576695>Doesn’t say Newtypes zoomie. Doesn’t say give em priority either. Just says if any radically different mutant space freaks show up, make it a point to give them a spot at the table. DONT be mean. And you know what? That was already happening?>You can twist it into Newtypes but the article works the same as if people suddenly grew gills.Okay, maybe I shouldn't have place so much emphasis on the Newtype bit but, I still think the part about the EF charter granting space mutants priority in government (which it clearly does) is still contrived nonsense that in effect places a lot more importance on Unicorns story than it really did to deserve. Even if the story was changed so the Charter instead said 'people living in space must be represented in government' you would still have the problem of the terrorist attack that resulted in the original charter being lost and covered up retroactively becoming the inciting incident of the story of UC Gundam as apposed to the inciting incident being the One Year War.It's this, the my story has the real Minerva, the my story has Char cloned, the my story has Zeon finally be defeated, and the my story has Newtype feats more extreme then stopping Axis that give me the opinion that Unicorn puts undue importance on it's self.
>>23576794>Even if the story was changed so the Charter instead said 'people living in space must be represented in government' you would still have the problem of the terrorist attack that resulted in the original charter being lost and covered up retroactively becoming the inciting incident of the story of UC Gundam as apposed to the inciting incident being the One Year War.That's how I interpreted "space-adapted human race". Because all of that happened before Zeon Zum Deikun was born, equating "space-human adapted race" to Newtypes is the mistake committed by those who got a hold of the constitution stone. To me, "space-adapted human race" could have referred to those born in the Moon and space colonies like Degwin Zabi, who looked too frail at 65 by the time of the One Year War. If that could happen to those born outside Earth, very easy to see why Ricardo Marcenas slapped in that clause: to assure those born outside Earth they will have priority in terms of what they need to avoid being discriminated upon.
>>23574245Too bad Banana wasn't man enough to slap some sense to her and just went with the MUH UNDERSTANDING faggotry
>>23576795Yes, but also the Earth Federation literally started off as an emergency solution to the overpopulation on Earth. That the space colonization was a literal global effort to save the life-bearing capacity of Earth & humanity. The last article was supposed to be a guaranteed reparations for those brave souls forced to live in space.
>>23574057I remember literally nothing from Narrative. I can't name a single character outside of the ones from flashbacks.
Unicorn's newtype article of the charter makes no sense. What, you are going to put Yazan, Sirocco and Haman in power willingly?
>>23576868Yazan isn't specified to be a newtype so I choose to believe he's an oldtype because it's funnier.
>>23576868It's not a "Newtype" article.It's to preemptively prevent the future Earth Federation government from classifying Spacenoids as 2nd class citizens at best or non-humans with zero rights at worst because they "evolved away from humanity".
>>23576907It's absolutely a Newtype article because human physiology and evolution don't work like this. It's something you would write if you were a hack author trying to add conspiratorial nonsense to a series that was born at the height of Esper mania in science fiction.
>>23576979>It's absolutely a Newtype article because human physiology and evolution don't work like this. You lose bone mass without gravity in space. And Newtypes doesn't even exist on our IRL laws of physics either.
>>23577000Hence why interpretation of "space-adapted human race" in >>23576795. Newtypes were devised AFTER UC 0001. Even without Deikun, humans born outside Earth would be discriminated upon and Ricardo devised that clause to prevent discrimination.
>>23576979>conspiratorial nonsenseWe have actual retarded conspiracies being done IRL.
>>23577091yes but you don't see a lot of laws written about what to do should reptilian shapeshifters mind control the populace with 5g
>>23577091Fukui's interpretation of the Federation vs Newtypes compared to Tomino's reminds me of a quote from an archaeologist that was complaining about pseudo-science grifters.>You don't have to make up some absurd theory that a hidden shadow government is controlling the world and doing all these bad things - you can just hate the actual government doing them.
>>23573978Unicorn is good IF you make F91 and Victory non-canon
>>235768061. You're retarded2. He does in the novelOnly a ZZtard to make me defend fucking Unicorn...
>>23576794Do they even mention the reasoning behind the terrorist attack in the show?>>23577160Explain.
>>23576696Yeah too bad F91 was supposed to meld the two ideas and Unicorn makes things worse by adding in a whole new Zeon movement that didn't even leave a mark on history because uh, Mineva told them not to, I guess. Sure was nice of her not to help when Meitzer Ronah decided to blender up 85% of humanity. At least Judau has the excuse of being on Jupiter and Bright has the excuse of the end of Hathaway's Flash.
>>23577418the laplace attack? the prime minister's son engineered a power grab by working with terrorists to kill his dad.
>>23577545Compared to Zeon? Cosmo Babylonia was a flash in a pan that fell apart as soon as it tried taking over another colony outside of Side 4. Same goes for the Jupiter Empire & Side 2's Zanscare Empire, who failed to sustain themselves post-conflicts.The Federation-Zeon wars were the single most devastating conflict for humanity. Had Minerva basically not finally ended it with Unicorn, it could be UC 0200 and Zeon would rear its ugly head again in the name of Spacenoid Supremacy.
>>23577805Mars Zeon though.
>>23577811DOA within a year by a single fleet before they started killing each other.
>>23577805>Had Minerva basically not finally ended it with Unicorn, it could be UC 0200 and Zeon would rear its ugly head again in the name of Spacenoid Supremacy.Funny you say that. In Gaia Gear it's UC0203 and Zi Zeon are about to reap the benefits from their latest operation: a biological clone of Char who also has the memories of the original Char implanted in him.First order of business when memory-clone Char takes control of Zi Zeon? Get the fuck out of here with the whole "Zeon" name, they rebrand ourselves as not Zeon for once.
>>23579967Yup.And they literally won while ditching the baggage of Zeon and its ugly step-children.
>>23579967Man "Full Frontal" really takes the "punch" out of Gaia Gear.>yep we cloned Char>"we" who?>. . .
>>23573978You're literally braindead if you need to watch ZZ to empathize with Marida>but muh pleliterally no one cares, not even Judau>>23574176>I can't believe Full Frontal is a char without watching ZZ firstngmi>>23574239based
>>23577418>ExplainProbably the fact that Unicorn is the reason "newtype bullshit" has become a buzzword along with having the 2nd most powerful MS ever and the fact that it basically says that the newtypes should lead the world. None of these extremely important details correlate with any of the preexisting late-UC, so it'd be really sloppy writing for that to be canon.
>>23573978You shouldn't skip ZZ, not because of its plot significance, but because any post-ZZ UC isn't good enough to be worth skipping other shows
>>23581225>Probably the fact that Unicorn is the reason "newtype bullshit" has become a buzzword along with having the 2nd most powerful MS ever and the fact that it basically says that the newtypes should lead the world. This is the type of shit ppl who literally have never actually watched Unicorn.
>>23581225People have been accusing the original series of being "newtype bullshit" long before unicorn came out. They hate newtypes cause they see them as competition for their gritty grunt mercenary ordinary soldier spec ops veteran zaku pilot fantasy.
>>23581225>the fact that it basically says that the newtypes should lead the worldi'm just going to quote laplace's box unedited because you're making shit up. it's a DEI tagline, not the divine right of kings. Article 15The Earth Federation shall prepare the following articles for the future of human race with high hopes and expectations.1. In preparation for an extraterrestrial biological emergency, the Earth Federation shall increase and expand research and preparedness. 2. In the future, should the emergence of a new space-adapted human race be confirmed, the Earth Federation shall give priority to involving them in the administration of the government.
>>23573978I skipped ZZ but know it by hearsay>Lurking here>GamesAnd I don't think I missed much
>>23574345Right, zoltann looks and is better recontextualized as a super robot villainAnd I'm sure all the sidr characters are better when elevated by already beloved and likeable characters
>>23581226Both CCA and Hathaway are great.
>>23574345His character was so retarded they should just make him a meta character realizing he was stuck in a shitty fanfic
>>23576695It literally says give them priority
>>23581438If any of that is somehow wrong then PLEASE tell me what Unicorn was actually about, all knowing one.
>>23581606I mean not really they just have everyone tell Michelle to stop bitching at Jona so much and she fucks off to pout in her room until a stage with NT plot shows up fifty hours later.
>>235819751. The original Universal Century Charter had a clause that was to prevent anti-Spacenoid discrimination by cutting off the possibility that future Federation governments can classify Spacenoids as "non-humans".2. Blowing up the Laplace Colony guaranteed corruption of the Earth Federation, George Marcenas used the incident to amass power and authority for himself and his cronies ala Reichstag Fire, and Syam Vist was able to use the original charter to blackmail the then-leaders of the Federation lest they be overthrown and prosecuted as terrorists.3. Zeon Zum Deikun's Newtype theory coincides with the UC Charter, which turned it from political time bomb to political nuke. So now instead of the corrupt leaders of Earth Federation being overthrown, it potentially justifies all of the Space Colonies declaring independence and make the OYW look like an opening skirmish.4. Two factions want the UC Charter, the Sleeves (Republic of Zeon's proxy) & the Marcenas/Martha Vist Carbine faction. The former wanting the Charter so that they can blackmail the Federation long enough to make their Side Co-Prosperity Sphere and guaranteeing independence. While the latter wanting to completely take over both the Federation & Anaheim Electronics.5. Minerva publicly reveals the UC Charter and dismantles the "Newtype" interpretation of UC Charter. Zeon and its ideology of Spacenoid supremacy to rule all of Earth Sphere loses legitimacy, thus ending the longest conflict of humanity since the Cold War.
>>23582020>The original Universal Century Charter had a clause that was to prevent anti-Spacenoid discrimination by cutting off the possibility that future Federation governments can classify Spacenoids as "non-humans".kek this must be bait.>2. In the future, should the emergence of a new space-adapted human race be confirmed, the Earth Federation shall give priority to involving them in the administration of the government.Time and time again it was spacenoids who came to believe that were superior to the Earthbound humans once they started living in space
>>23576907>It's not a newtype article, it's just a weird Hail Mary relying on Newtypes eventually existingYou really didn't address anon's point, it specifically could have been a doorway to a lot of already powerful Spacenoid tyrants to rise to power.
>>23584045>>23582020Yeah, a minority clause would be "guarantee them a minimal obligatory percentage of participation in government administration" not "giving priority to involving them in the administration of the government"
>>23584045>Time and time again it was spacenoids who came to believe that were superior to the Earthbound humans once they started living in space>>23584079>You really didn't address anon's point, it specifically could have been a doorway to a lot of already powerful Spacenoid tyrants to rise to power.Yes. But the Ronahs and Zanscares weren't doing it out of "Spacenoid supremacy", they were doing it out of "aristocrat supremacy". Newtype "superiority" no longer was relevant even by UC 120.>>23584121>>Yeah, a minority clause would be "guarantee them a minimal obligatory percentage of participation in government administration" "Minimal obligatory percentage" has a nasty habit of becoming the "maximum obligatory percentage" enforced by the people who massively benefits from the status quo.
>>23584144The Zanscares had a faux-matriarchy centered around a political figurehead being a Newtype healer.The charter could have easily resulted in similar situations, Spacenoid groups using verified newtypes as political chips to gain significant seats of representation, likely for the sake of same corrupt individuals off screen, just like we see in Victory.
>>23584161>The Zanscares had a faux-matriarchy centered around a political figurehead being a Newtype healer.The charter could have easily resulted in similar situations, Spacenoid groups using verified newtypes as political chips to gain significant seats of representation, likely for the sake of same corrupt individuals off screen, just like we see in Victory.Except the Zanscare Empire wasn't preaching Newtype Supremacy, but that the "Patriarchy" was responsible for the OYW & subsequent conflict.
>>23584321Newtype supremacy isn't nearly as big of a concern as them becoming a commodity like in Gundam X (this time a political commodity).Their numbers are simply too low for a supremecy movement, even at peak population.
