What went wrong?
is wong in the show?
Anno
>>23577164It was great. you fags are just oldtypes whose souls are weighed down by gravity.
>>23577164Focusing too much on CharXChalia's gay romance instead of the new cast in the final two episodes for one.Though it was always going to be an issue from first principle if your initial idea is "Char steals the RX78" but you also have another "mysterious character" piloting it.
>>23577164The funniest part is knowing there's an alternate timeline where Char used the Zudah and became a literal Red Comet.
>>23577164Anglo fandom hang-ups with Star Wars and Marvel. Almost every discussion about this show has someone broadly dismissing it because they are still asshurt about Disney and are projecting it on the show.
>>23577199For me, it's Char's Xamel
>>23577164They forgot to give Machu and Nyan a character beyond lusting for Shuuji.
>>23577230Machu was a pretty typical 'Japanese high-schooler with a lack of direction who finds Japanese high-schooler life unfulfilling' stock characterWith Nyaan, it was like they were kind of trying to do something with her latching onto people easily and being easily led into doing bad shit due to her refugee background, but it got drowned out because the show kept losing interest in Machu and Nyaan in favour of the stuff it carried over from 0079 (Char/Lalah, Challia, Zabi infighting, etc.)
>>23577164Doo-chan wasnt the protag/heroic antagonist
>>23577230This, aside of the show having a goal this was my biggest issue.
Nostalgia bait
>>23577164These 3 retards for starters
I NEED to NUT inside of Machu's cute tight pussy! Sweaty bsbymaking sex with Machu!
>>23577202This.
>>23577164literally everything that matters, notably those three piles of dogshit you posted
>Writing as they go.>focusing on nostalgia wank.>kids tier writing
>>23577396Which Gundam shows have the best writing? Everyone says Witch From Mercury is really good, but I haven't seen jt.
>>23577396Why are you making shit up?
>>23577402Turn AZeta
>>23577410Half this board loves Zeta and the other half hates it. I have never seen something so popular and divisive.
>>23577412I didn't know there was only 2 people here
>>23577164dont lead people on with "what if zeon won alt history" just to give them "shitty evangelion clone with names taken from gundam"very simple
>>23577416And neither of them speak English as a first language.
>>23577402G no Reconguista
>>23577421Of course not, americans don't like mecha.
>>23577431Really? Why is that?
>>23577433they think all mecha except eva and ttgl is like transformers
>>23577437I am American and I had no idea. Wow.
>>23577164Not enough episodes.
>>23577402The only contenders are 0079, Turn A, and G-Reco.
>>23577420>evangelion cloneMidwit.
>>23577433They didn't get shows like mazinger, grendizer, jeeg, etc. early like europe, latin america and SEA. Most they got was Robotech lol.
>>23577451denounce evangelion and anno right now then
>>23577471>>>/pol/
>>23577164literally nothing
>>23577475>muh nazisgo back to your safe space champ you'll be a lot happier in r/gcucks
>>23577471What? Why?
>>23577480He is aping poltards telling feds to denounce israel and the talmud, that's how hard gqux and anno buck broke him lmao.
>>23577490>no fun allowed only reddit memesthis nigga can not be for real
>>23577412It's not perfect but it's very solid and very well written out. Liking it is different. Maybe you should rephrase your question to most fun rather than best written.>>23577423>>23577448Is G-Reco good? Whats its deal? I've been told its a Turn A sequeal but also prequeal.
>>23577199in my headcanon you had Char testing Zudah with the 603rd instead of Jean Luc Duvall
>>23577202They're not wrong those. This had about as much substance as MCU multiverse garbage.
>>23577420remember when they called anyone who claimed it would devolve into evaslop a spammer or bot? and then when it devolved into evaslop and magical bullshit they claimed it was all part of the plan and actually awesome. good times, good times
>>23577164 It didn't know what kind of story it wanted to tell. Consequently, the MCs feel isolated and the plot just sort of crashes from one idea to the next until they ran out of episodes.
>>23577497It's at least a top 3 Gundam series for me. It centers around several factions vying for power (in terms of energy distribution, which would carry control over the Earth Sphere) after a recent acquisition of war technology on Earth from the UC era, which has been established as taboo as it took many, many years to rebuild Earth and recover from atrocities done in that era. It's stated to take place 1000 years after UC, but Tomino went on to say it's actually after Turn A somewhere. That's where the confusion comes from.
>>23577575Filtered.
confusionthey didnt know what to do with the charactersthey didnt know if they wanted a series of fun what if fightsthey didnt know if they wanted to explore post war zabi balkanizationthey didnt know if they wanted to tell a meta story with magic they had no idea what they wanted threw one another under the bus (see the interviews) and probably got mandates from bandai the whole timebreak these series up into their own things and im sure they would have been significantly more well received
>>23577591Weird. Turn A Dark History always puts me off, despite Turn A being a favorite of mine. Sounds interesting though so I will definitely check it out.
>>23577591Sunrise also never officially retconned it after the fact. I think only a single Tomino centric-exhibit mentioned the idea of it being after Turn A again, but no other official source ever has.I say watch it and decide for yourself if it's before or after. Hard to ignore the creator's words, but most of the staff made it with the understanding it was 1000 years after UC ended, so the settings will still lean more towards that.
>>23577614To be fair. Tomino isn't exactly the one in charge. He does have bosses.
Ugly MS designs
>>23577164Bad pacing.Characters that didn't feel like I had a reason to care about their lives. The pokemon character design. Gihren, Kycilia, etc look fine, I just can't uncouple the designers style from Pokemon.It's really fucking obnoxious with the new type magic in the illegal MS duels at the start. Throughout the show in general. I can suspend my disbelief for CCA with the gradual buildup of new type fuckery over the course of 79, zeta, ZZ and then CCA. But it feels ham fisted here. I don't know why.>>23577402Zeta for sure.Victory Gundam.I think G Reco, despite its flaws, is Tomino trying to tell an interesting take on Gundam. Perhaps it's so poorly received, and remembered as such, because its a lot more difficult to follow as a weekly.
>>23577749I forgot to add thunderbolt. It might not tackle anything too deep, or be incredibly thought provoking by it's writing, but I find its a very emotionally loaded show by way of its main characters.If you're interested in good written manga:the plot to assassinate Gihren. Return of Johny Ridden.
>>23577749>a lot more difficult to follow as a weekly.I think people just read too much into it, like they expected there was going to be some overarching plot and each of the characters had their own plans when really it was everyone just being retarded 99% of the time.
>>23577497g reco is tomino coming back one last time to prove everyone else sucks at making gundam
>>23577164GQuacks didn't give enough screen time to Machu, Nyaan, and Shuji to flesh out their story, and it didn't give enough screen time to show us how Chalia went from a mook of the week to his different self either.
>>23577836He's okay, but too much crap about men should be sensitive like girls and cry and woman worship for my taste personally.
>>23577858>and it didn't give enough screen time to show us how Chalia went from a mook of the week to his different self either.That's because it assumes you read the 0079 novels. I wish I was joking.
>>23577202Everyone being sick and tired of the flood of nostalgia pandering multiverse timeline back from the dead bullshit being added to franchises sounds pretty reasonable to me.
>>23577913who is everyone? the two retards throwing a fit here?
>>23577164instead of telling a new story it was Char fanfiction and HEY, REMEMBER THIS SCENE IN GUNDAM/EVANGELION?
>>23577931midwit
>>23577164Anno is a Gundam Otaku.
>>23577944he worked on cca
>>23577164I got bored like 3-4 episodes in. I think I just can't connect to teenage girl emotional drama. It's not like I wanted to stop watching it, I just never ended up watching the next episode.
>>23577915Them and like a bajillion other people. Perhaps everyone except you and the writers of gquacks.
>>23578095Nice headcanon.
>>23577931>instead of telling a new storyIt's worse than that, because you can tell that they tried to tell a story with the new characters, and it got thrown under a bus because they also wanted to write UC fan-fiction.Char basically hijacks the final two episodes. Machu and Shuji get their final moment, sure. But Nyaan is almost completely forgotten about, character-wise.There's also the question of the giant, magical RX78. I can understand why someone would like it, but I didn't.
>>23578111>Nyaan is almost completely forgotten aboutIt's almost like she already had her moment, do you forget about a character if they are not in the corner of the screen at all times?
>>23577164The early episodes were marred by a completely useless "clanbatz xd" plotline that no one cared for, and then when the plot gets interesting and the Titans show up, they're completely ignored. They should have written the show ONLY to be about what UC would be like if the OYW ended in stalemate/zeon advantage. Everyone was excited about the setting and the show delivered on none of it
>>23578123Again with the "everyone" headcanon.
>>23578117>It's almost like she already had her momentWhat moment? Her role in the final episode is that of a random mook. We don't learn anything about her character in the final fight.She starts the episode moping around in the G-Fred after betraying Kycilia and has absolutely no knowledge of what is going on with the Rose of Sharon and Shuji's goals. She helps Machu defeat Shuji only because Machu asks her, she gets defeated unceremoniously and goes right back to where her character was on side-6: obsessing over Shuji.I'm expecting a long and detailed response from you, shitposter-kun. I really loved Gquack up until the brothel episode (I think that's n°6?) and if you can convince me that there's something I missed in the second half that can make me like the show more I would be genuinely glad.
>>23577953he was fired lmao
>>23577164Not enough Deux. Needed more Deux. Just a little bit, give her some more character before the standard cybernewtype death to make it land harder. Other than that it was great.
>>23577164>What went wrong?pokemon art style unironically
It wanted to Zeon wank too much and everything else got left on the wayside.If it was 2 cours, or especially the good old fashion 52 eps, it would have had a far smoother experience in fleshing out the setting and characters.
I will admit GQUUUUX is definitely a passion project for everyone except the director and writers. seriously out of all the people to drop the ball it has to be the ones actually making the story huh.
>>23577164Tieing it to UC.
>>23577164They wanted to do too much stuff for a 12 episode run. So in the end they shift the narrative so it's focused too much on the alternative UC stuff because they have no fucking time left. Also keeping the Beginning segments out of the TV run and having it be a prequel movie only would have at least bought them an extra episode or two. The biggest flaws with GQuuuuuuX all essentially boil down to it being too ambitious for the timeframe they had to make it all work. Literally just make it a two cour and it'd go up significantly in quality through that breathing room
>>23578735>keeping the Beginning segments out of the TV run and having it be a prequel movie only would have at least bought them an extra episode or two.They definitely could've trimmed it down from being the entire second episode. The relevant bits were just>Char stealing the Gundam (did not need to be an entire half-episode with gratuitous shot-for-shot recreations from Gundam Rising, could easily have been cut down to <5 mins)>Char meeting Challia>Zeknova (and even then, the 'full' Zeknova flashback isn't even until ep 8)I also think it would've worked better spreading them out across multiple episodes; a shorter version of Char stealing the Gundam being used as a cold open to ep 1, then ep 2 would be the stuff with Challia in the colony with a flashback to his meeting with Char, etc.I'm curious to see the Beginning movie, because I expect it'll work a lot better in that format. As the first 3 eps of a TV series, it's just awkward halting before things have even really had a chance to get going in order to drop all the backstory at once
>>23578828>>23578735The movie cut was significantly better.Why the fuck would they re-edit it?
everything
>>23578409>seriously out of all the people to drop the ball it has to be the ones actually making the story huhanno is such a bizarre motherfucker. i think he's developed a love-hate relationship with gundam because he knows he can never dethrone it. from his 1993 gundam "fan book":Anno: No one was holding a funeral for anime so this doujinshi is me declaring “I will hold the funeral!” Since [CCA], no one has managed to reset. No one has come back to life. Even V Gundam isn’t a rebirth. Everyone ended at [CCA] and is slowly floating around as ash. Above dead bodies, flying as ashes. No one realizes this, or they do and choose to close their eyes to this fact…[...]With heavy stories like that, children can’t keep up and they end up abandoning it. [...] Mr. Tomino can’t throw Lalah away, you know. It’s easy to say I’ll throw everything away but it’s hard to put into action. Especially since men are creatures of lingering affection. It’s extremely difficult to throw away things you saw as a child. Even if you’re told you have to. You have to throw away everything attached to your body and become stark naked in order to move forward.
>>23578998Anno is inconsistent as fuck. I'm not going to drill on Eva, I thought it was pretty good but it feels like Anno does his best when subverting and referencing things (which makes sense since the 0079 sections were pretty neat). The biggest problem with this fucker is outside of references he REALLY loves to self sabotage shit which worked great for Evangelion and Gunbuster. (I should give Nadia a watch) but Rebuild and GQ was fucking awful. I gave Shin Kamen Rider a watch too and it's nonsensical as well as a subversion. It tries to be this serious dark movie when it's also goofy as fuck man what the hell is this guy doing, it's like he's taking the piss every single time.
>>23577164>What went wrong?nyan should have been the ONLY main character. deliver the component to whoever, shit goes wrong, steal the gundam, get noticed by Xavier.we can get the plot moving and exploring a victorious or white peace zeon society and set up the conflict of the series by episode 2 or 3 if we include the char flashback which I wouldn't because the multiverse shit was retardedjustice for nyan, remake this series from the ground up
>>23579157yeah he kind of hates the audience too. i memory-holed the rebuilds already but they were just a flying middle finger to anyone who likes eva. i guess gq is the same thing for gundam.
>>23579582I don't think he hates the audience considering how much 3.0+1.0 since to be an "I'm sorry!" for people's complaints about 3.0, like how the characters blaming Shinji for everything get called out rather than the narrative seemingly siding with them like in the previous movie.He just then went on to mess up again by the time of 3.0+1.0's own ending.>>23579157>It tries to be this serious dark movie when it's also goofy as fuck man what the hell is this guy doingThe problem with Shin Kamen Rider is that it basically assumes the audience is already into Rider and knows what he's referencing, even though it's a reboot that should be a starting point of new viewers. But it doesn't work as that for most people. He doesn't build suspension of disbelief or anything, just throws the viewer in the middle of the plot with a bunch of odd aesthetics if you don't know Rider already and then goes running ahead.That said, Anno only actually wrote the 0079 parts of GQX. He wasn't the director or writer for anything else, just having some minor input here and there. GQX is more Kazuya Tsurumaki's work (FLCL, Diebuster).
>>23577910>Anno's required reading before viewingKek
>>23578998I don't think Anno has ever not really been speaking about himself. Literally any time he's criticizing someone or talking about a series it just sounds like he's talking about himself. Even his famous reflections of otaku culture and anime fans are all primarily self-centered. He's a huge fucking weird nerd and he feels guilty about it.He comes off as the kind of guy that wants to make an epic masturbatory otaku project with all the things he loves and then smacks his nuts halfway through for wanting it, so all we get now is an endless parade of bizarre, half-hearted nostalgic circlejerks.
>>23579688>he feels guilty about itHe is one of the most unapologetic people on earth, to the point where he made 3 movies for his favorite childhood franchises.
>>23579157>>23579643american secondaries are never the main audience, go watch the 31st batman reboot
>>23579694Unapologetic like a shameless masochist, wearing a collar and fishnet stockings in public. It's still driven by self-loathing. You can't read his interviews where he's ranting about how evangelion is him masturbating in front of the audience and then going on, unprompted, talking about his small penis and masochistic tendencies without grasping what his driving force is.
>>23579756Lots of projecting in this post.
>>23577402WfM is too crunched. Gundam X is awesome
>>23579791And you aren't?
>>23577402Fuck no, witch COULD have been good. The setting HAD potential, But the writing was ass and nothing happens for most of the show. They just dick around at school. People say it didn't have enough time but I say the opposite, it had too much time and probably needed to be condensed. Or it should have done more with the time it did have. Either way what it does do is piss most of it away.
>>23577164>What went wrong?I didn't get a military police zaku kit ;_;
>>23579643Tbf, I think Anno had a lot more input outside the 0079 stuff. Especially if it's the 0079 stuff during the GQ era. I know beyond the time was his fucking idea.
This shows is such a mess.I love it to bits, there are many cool ideas, but it's still a mess.I like how we get a more character driven show where personal motivations of the main cast can swing things just as much as that of the political movers & shakers......but it's still a mess.If you're doing character drama, you need a tad more time spent on characters and your final arc cannot be resolved with Newtype magic bullshit alone unless it ties into meaningful character development.This ending didn't, Machu just "powered through" with youthful exuberance and learned absolutely no lessons.I know not everything needs to be said out loud, like I loved the irony of Kycilia giving Nya an gun and telling her to just shoot her problems... then getting shot in turn.But if you're gonna Eva your Gundam, then your main cast needs to go somewhere. Shinji (finally!) fucking grows up by the end of Rebuild and triumphs over his dad by pointing out the latter's teenage bullshit. (Only took ~25 years IRL, but I'll take it).Where did our main cast go? OK, Shuuji learns that obsession is not love, but you cannot make your Cloudcuckoolander the vessel of your character drama in the very last act!I love this show, but it's such a mess.
>>23580231>it's a mess because it didn't have a reddit moment where the character learns something by the endShut the fuck up, stick to youtube essays.
>>23580231>But if you're gonna Eva your GundamGQuuux wasn't trying to do anything remotely like Eva. Amate finding her boring life to be boring and stifling is always presented as being a pretty fair, reasonable way to feel. She isn't a character with massive, unresolved personal problemsAt most you could say her dream to run away to Earth is fairly naive on the face of it, but even that's just shorthand for, "I want personal independence"
>>23580274I think he means that the EVA part was more in terms of the rebuild and 0079 parts
>>23580247you're genuinely too stupid to understand any fiction
>>23580218He suggested the bgm. They were always going to have a Gundam popping up from another universe there under an insert song. It's not like the entire final battle happened due to Anno.
>>23580474You can tell that Anon has never read a book before. Shit blows my mind.
>>23577164
>>23580500So nothing
>>23578297Funny how you could see a significant drop in quality once they killed Deux and left the colony.
>>23580634You don't understand Japanese business culture. When the daimyo "suggests" something, it means you 100% have to do it or risk losing your head. If you want proof look at any western game studio that's worked for Nintendo over the years.
In the end, the only thing that matters is gunpla sales.I think Mercury had better variety on that part.
>>23577164the designs sucked ass. people will stomach garbage if the designs are cool
>>23580699The designs are among the top 10 gundam series.
>>23580713no they arent absolute cope no one thinks a poorly rendered dom shitting out a third leg is good no one things a gm called a gelgoog for no reason with random exposed gas cylinders in its limbs is cool
>>23580721You are the one coping here buddy.
>>23580736says the lone gcuck who just cant let the shows failure go
>>23580736you are replying to a bot
>>23577164Alternate universe stuff.
>>23577164flawed premise it was over before production even began
>>23577164Introducing this thing.
>>23583139But I love G-Fred.
>>23577199
>>23578111I'm still trying to figure out Amuro Ray's soul being inside the GQuuuuuuX
Revealing the entire series was just dressing for Shuu's unrequited love for Lalah made it feel like this show has no legacy or place in the franchse's history, it's just an oddity that will occasionally be brought up in regards to it's absurdity, like Frozen Teardrop.
what if babies could understand our language at birth, like we could tell them life is randomly good and bad, or do they know it why they cry after birth
>>23583300GQX's omega psycommu was made based on a part that came from another universe, and Amuro's soul likely was in that.
>>23583185what was the top design again?
>>23583349An old Sazabi redesign by Ikuto Yamashita from years ago.
>>23583368do we have more images of it?
>>23583370I dont know have you tried using google?
>>23577164Why was it only 12 episodes long?
>>23583300That was retarded.I don't think there's much more to it than >>23583346 said. From the perspective of the show's internal logic.What I can't figure out is what were the writer thinking? Is it supposed to be cool that Amuro is inside the Gquacks? Does that mean something?To me, it only detracts from Machu's character: She wasn't a talented pilot / a super-newtype that could pilot via psycommu alone. To the point that she could move the Gundam without piloting it. (Which is bullshit, sure. But at least it's new bulllshit.)Turns out Amuro was at the helm all along. It's both a "character assassination" and boring.
>>23577164It needed more episodes for the style of story it wanted to tell. You can't burn multiple episodes on member berries when you only have 12 episodes and are trying to make a deep plot.
