You can say a lot about Ronah family ideals, but you can't deny that they got great style.
I really like the Den'nan suits. What MS is that in the OP image though, some new variant?
>>23594777Yeah, it's new. I think its name haven't been revealed yet, but it seems to be Den'an Zon's prototype.
>>23594787Hope to see more art of it then, it's a neat design.
>>23594787 >seems to be Den'an Zon's prototype these manga need to stop coming up with dumb bullshit, that thing already has a prototype
>>23594787>>23594777Maybe it bridges the Geara line with the later Den'an suits
>>23594794Dessa type worker MS was UC0108. F90 Cluster manga takes place in UC0121 or so. You can consider the OP's picture to be the militarized version of the Dessa type for combat data gathering, before being finalized and mass produced as the De'nan Zon.>>23594815It's not impossible for Buch to have salvaged Geara Doga MS as part of their secret technological buildup, but my understanding was that Buch took decades to develop their forces from scratch, as opposed to it being an continuation of Zeon MS tech.
>>23594825The helmet itself is already very similar to the Geara Zulu. I could easily see an AMS-139 being used as the transition suit from Zeon to Buch
>>23594825Developing their forces from scratch could just mean developing their own industrial base and designs rather than cobbling together leftovers or hijacking Feddie units. Every MS in UC is going to be derived from some foundation built by Zeon or derived from a Zeon unit on some level.
>>23594763Wasn't sold on the F80 until I built the master grade. Solid kit.>>23594794Considering the Feds and Zeon retroactively get new suits every two weeks I'm honestly not all that bothered by it. Besides, more Buch stuff is always based
>>23594830>>23594853You forget that it is a miniature mobile suit. Trying to base it on Geara stuff would be harder than doing it from scratch.
>>23595184in before mars zeon managing to not only completely customize the stolen F90 unit 2 in a few months but also produce a perfectly functional clone of unit 2 complete with support AI and their own custom support pack
>>23594787Yeah it literally has Denan Zon chest. This was what became Denan Zon later on, Dessa Type was the ancestor of these bunch.
>>23595202Mars Zeon already had miniature mobile suit experience from Tigris II. And for the second unit, they used stolen parts intended for F90 Unit 4.
>>23595184They wouldn't have necessarily had to miniaturize the whole Doga, just take a few Dogas, find some mechanical elements they liked then drop the rest and go from there. I'd liken it to how the Stg44 had influences on the AK and AR platforms, they have very minor similarities but they each derived something from the Stg44.
>>23595245>I'd liken it to how the Stg44 had influences on the AK and AR platforms, they have very minor similarities but they each derived something from the Stg44.Uh... such as?
>>23595250 nta but for the AR it's probably the dust cover not sure about the AK tho
>>23594792You can see it here.
>>23595300And, I assume, a commander version.
>>23595301I love how you can see both Geara and Denan in it.
>>23595300>>23595301Yeah I need a kit of this thing immediately.
>>23595383Personally, I love how you can see it fucking up dirty zeeks.
>>23595389Previous Yanase' design from this manga (F80) got an MG, so I can see this one getting a model kit eventually too.Though for now it would have to get in line.
>>23595391I guess the wings on the back are just thrusters?
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>>23595394They DID literally just make a Den'an Gei RE/100... just sayin', there might be more Crossbone Vanguard suits on the horizon. And this little guy might be paving the way for that since it's a mish-mash prototype of their other suits with a tweaked head.>>23595396yeah good ol' shelf nozzles, binders on steroids. In a pinch they can be launched on their own as mass projectiles, I assume the function might already be there for this.
Speaking of kits, I really hope they give The Devil its Horns soon.Or, like, at least a lineart ffs
So Zeonic abandoned Cluster I take it? No updates in months as usual with all his projects
>>23595407Consider that we had to wait almost 5 years for the regular N-type mission pack.At least Verethraghna is back on the menu in the manga.
>>23595435he releases them by volume, same as everything else, because it's much less of a pain in the ass
>>23595435Updates it every month on his Patreon and posts volume releases on the Mangadex.https://mangadex.org/title/8f0747c9-6a6c-490f-9f7e-90ebc9fe82c4/mobile-suit-gundam-f90-clusterThough he also fucked some things up, because it seems like he posted magazine versions of the chapters and also removed the Monthly Mobile Machine.
>>23595435he posts volume releases because initial releases can have fuckups in them that only get fixed for the volume
>>23595435Though speaking about abandoning projects, I am salty about the state of F90 Prequel/Eternal Wind, Crossbone and Letters from Odelo, not gonna lie.>>23595446Uh-huh.https://mangadex.org/chapter/a929fc81-6b47-4769-932c-e6de4199b7d8/1
>>23595407This makes me want a Mars Zeon type F91 with a design that homages the Sinanju
>>23595457IDK about Mars Zeon, but we'll have to see what Jupiter Phantom is cooking.
>>23595457There is Grand Zam
>>23595439They seem to be putting kits out faster on P-Bandai now. I think the F80 Gunraid didn't even have its name finalized when the MG kit was announced.
>>23595475GZ existed long before Unicorn, and it's never specified if it used tech from suits like The O and Sazabi
>>23595519Why in the world would it use tech specifically from something like them? It's a modern version of Big Zam on a huge Gran hover unit.
>>23595524Doesn't look like Gran unit to me desuWas the connection between two even implied in AoZR?
Speaking of connections, wasn't there a manga that implied the Angel Halo was based off some device Scirroco was creating in an attempt to try and transfer his mind to different bodies to become immortal?
>>23595537Probably Valpurgis and I wouldn't be surprised if Angel Halo was connected to his designs. Fonse is quite fond of Syroppo's ideas.Hell, Zanscare is pretty much what Papilommas envisioned for Earth Sphere.
>>23595537Sort of. The bodies were cyber newtype clones that served as biological component of a psyco weapon >>23594997 capable of mass brainwashing and mind control. I don’t think immortality is what Paptimus necessarily had in mind when designing it but his followers had other ideas
>>23595530Other than being called literally the same thing? It's Gran Zam, not Grand Zam. Always has been. Maybe it began as a typo, no idea, but it's not called "Grand" in japanese either so...It's a giant hover unit and we know these can be upscaled like that, even if Gran Fiver is more than anything a Shamblo reference
>>23595870>Other than being called literally the same thing? It's Gran ZamFair enough.>It's a giant hover unit and we know these can be upscaled like that, even if Gran Fiver is more than anything a Shamblo referenceNow this just sounds hoveracist to me.You could as well bring up Granxandria land battleship as an example.If I had to compare Granzam to an older Zeek tech, I'd bring up The-O II before ReZeon Grans desu
>>23595884>The-O IIYou mean Gran The-O IWAE
>>23595884>If I had to compare Granzam to an older Zeek tech, I'd bring up The-O II before ReZeon Grans desuand that's from Kondo's own thing which is never ever referenced in anything elsemeanwhile Reboot is chock full of references to later Mars Zeon mecha
>>23595916>meanwhile Reboot is chock full of references to later Mars Zeon mechaFor Zeon Mars mobile suits.
>>23595917that's what I said?
>>23595918And Gran unit is the tech of their enemy, ReZeon.
>>23595920and all ReZeon tech completely evaporated after UC 0091.Not.
>>23595922>and all ReZeon tech completely evaporated after UC 0091.Yeah, I suspect a Lunarian conspiracy.
>>23595870This is just a Xamel with a new bodykit on top
>>23595928and roughly ten times bigger
I wish Cluster would stop fucking around and would just show the rest of the mission packs that were skipped in Fastest Formula.In particular, J, because it is the coolest one.
>>23595383The only thing Gaera about it is the helmet. Nothing else resembles Gaera Dogs. If anything it is more likely for the Crossbone suits to be based on Jegans as early on Buch Concern bought parts directly from AE.
>>23595394That halberd looks like something out of CE
>>23598930it's pretty fitting for Cosmo Babylonia
>>23598920Geara Doga is as Anaheim as Jegan, and early on Buch did make clones of Geara Doga Kai for EFF Instructor Corps to serve as Aggressor units.
>>23598225Unfortunately the F80 kit can't wear the Jacket pack, and neither can Cluster, so I wouldn't hold much hope.Based taste though. Jacket is one of the sexiest FAs Gundam has ever done. It's so perfect it's crazy when half these packs are just mid.
>>23599845I know, but Unit 1 is available and probably wouldn't have anything better to "wear" in case if there would be a full F90 squad in one place somehow.Speaking of, what's the MG F90II compatibility with mission packs?
>>23598225J-pack's defining feature is that it's fucking ass so they'd have to make a pretty convoluted situation for it to actually be used in combat.
>>23599858F90II can wear everything the F90 can that I've got, it's predominantly the same shape as the F90 without many real changes so it should have 100% compatibility even with N. I had mine done up in Jacket for a long time til just the other day where I switched it to Unit 2. F90II looks the best in it because its head is rad as fuck personally, but it's a little shame the other nicest feature of F90II (the radiator chest elements that progress to F91) is hidden with it on. Haven't thoroughly tested Cluster, since it obviously can't wear the chest I didn't actually bother trying the arm and leg units. Front skirts won't fit either since they are molded directly to the F90 front skirt shape.They seem most interested in X/Y/Z in this manga so I just doubt we'll get a lot of the other packs now. I do hope so though. It would have been a good fit for this recent fight. I don't much care for the fights in Cluster though.
>>23599860It's not ass, it's just a hard to use mission pack that plays against F90 strengths, also known as a typical FAG.Yet, those things are actually useful in right hands and/or right situations.
>>23599877not really, it going completely against F90's main virtue makes it worthless. You want defense? Other packs like K manage it without killing your mobility. Firepower? Not even close to the best. Mix of both? Again, straight up better options while being more mobile.There's a reason the only thing of any worth from it was the machine cannons.
>>23599866Yep, love F90II too. Funnily enough, F91 actually predates it and Cluster.Also, I'm not sure if they would focus just on X/Y/Z, considering that the focus of the current arc is Buch stuff and the return of Verethragna.>so it should have 100% compatibility even with NIs it that surprising when even F80 is compatible with it (and honestly looks pretty cool with it)?
>>23599878It's a fine choice for suppressing guerilla groups or engaging in urban combat where attacks can come from any direction with predominantly smaller caliber ballistic ordinance. It's not like there are no areas where small scale MS/light armour and high mobility are minimized as strengths.Also seeing its weaknesses would be cool too. Something doesn't have to be the best thing ever to be rad. So much of the point of these packs is just reaching for new arrangements and technological experimentation, some being dead ends or ineffective is part of the point. If we can see the extremely niche Cold type we might as well see the Jacket get called a sluggish pig and getting ejected after getting some fight scenes. As a small aside the Crossbones end up adopting much thicker armour than their contemporaries in various areas so the idea of increasing armour on small scale MS wasn't so worthless.
>>23599878F90's main virtue is that it can swap in and out mission packs with minimum work needed.Great mobility is neat, but if it was everything, Draig would've beaten it at the test.
>>23599883You want close combat in tight quarters? There's options specialized for that. Take out guerillas? There's a better way of doing that than a heavy brick of a suit. You shoot them from the sky and kill whoever survives. Again, got a good option for that.You do make a point about showing off its issues though, it's just rather hard to slot that in for Cluster where by that point it must have been years since it was tested and verified as a dead end. Even if the gang is in a situation where that's the only thing they have, F90 is better off without it. I could see some combo using its backpack though, nothing wrong with that part in principle.Crossbone is also a very specific case because it's built around different paradigms and even with tougher armor it has stupidly high thrust.>>23599887Why are you acting so confident when you know fucking nothing?F90's single defining feature is how freakishly light it is combined with performance that can take advantage of that. Modularity for the mission packs is a way of making further use of that and its nature as a test machine. This is repeated over and over again in multiple sources including FF and Cluster.Fantastic mobility is exactly why it beat Draig and why it did it bare instead of using one of the packs available at the time. It's also what the Mars F90 focuses on: ditch the extensive hardpoint system, refine the core capability as an excellent all-rounder high mobility model and make it better suited to frontline combat. Then Mars Gundam manages to combine these, but that's besides the point.
>>23599887straight from the horse's mouth, could not be clearer
>>23599899Unironically just an in-universe propaganda, from someone who couldn't possibly know actual specs of Draig.F90 won because Yuri is just a better pilot than Veronica.
>>23599911why are these tech threads always filled with overconfident, delusional retards?
>>23599915Def literally calls out Sid that the latter got his info from MS Fan.
>>23599898>You want close combat in tight quarters? I don't think the Hardygun would be my choice in an urban environment over the Jacket. Hell even for general garrison duty. If most of your threats aren't actually anything near your performance because of massive technological imbalances, you might as well just take the armour because the typical threat is likely to be some outdated explosive weapons from past wars in an ambush or surprise attack. F90J might be able to fly itself, but since all we have are blurbs about it that say the Minovsky Craft wasn't deemed good enough to offset the mobility loss we're lacking the real picture of its capabilities. Which is also kinda the point of wanting to see it too. As for why it'd be there, because they made some amount and things have a tendency of ending up places. A base on Earth having the parts still sitting around and being emergency deployed isn't really crazy.>Crossbone is also a very specific case because it's built around different paradigms and even with tougher armor it has stupidly high thrust.Absolutely, but the benefits of thicker armour are still true across the board. Even with their mobility, the Crossbones benefit a fair number of times from having armour thick enough to deal with ballistic weapons. As MS get smaller and lighter, smaller caliber ballistic weapons become more effective against them. All throughout the Formula era we see ballistic spam come back due to their efficacy. The Jacket is a reasonable attempt at exploring a counter to that and I think it's at least a little strange you seem to harbor some kind of actual disdain for its existence all based on a blurb that just says it wasn't particularly noteworthy, rather than outright bad or underperforming.
>>23599919>As MS get smaller and lighter, smaller caliber ballistic weapons become more effective against them. All throughout the Formula era we see ballistic spam come back due to their efficacy.Also, the smaller the suit, the cheaper it is to cover it in anti-beam coating, not to mention that the presense of beam shields nerfs non-VSBR beam weaponry.
>>23599933Beam shields are a solid nerf to ballistic weaponry too, but it's a single plane defense with often a vulnerable emitter. And those machineguns cost pennies compared to beam rifles to produce and maintain. And thickening up armour to deal with those costs a lot less than a beam shield.
