Power Rangers is irrelevant and needed to rely on nostalgiashit while Super Sentai is the least profitable which leads to rebranding or some shit. Why team based toku are in decline?
>>23604782Modern western kids outgrew Power Rangers, and exec's refusal to adapt to the tablet generation doomed them. Sentai toys fucking suck and cost what you would spend on a good toy. They actually tried to make a good toy once and it did really well, but they just never came up with a single good one afterwards.
>>23604782Anon of course Super Sentai is the least profitable, it had power rangers as a parasyte that wouldn’t let it air in most of the worldThe moment ultraman had that netflix shit every show wanted to go global but super sentai just can’t do it that’s why the rebrand is important it will hopefully be a loophole
>>23604888Remember that time Saban strongarmed a Sentai parody using zero actual Sentai IP, into tossing, "INSPIRED BY SABAN'S POWER RANGERS" on all the marketing and also pay him royalties?
>>23604782>What exactly went wrong with both Super Sentai & Power Rangers?The show wasn't resonating with the kids enough. Japan is so slow to change, that they're unable to pivot fast enough, even across a decade. Additionally, the toys have been pretty weak for years.
>>23604782Sentai toys were shit and the shows were lackluster. Why bother with Sentai if other shows like Rider did everything better? And their attempts to changed just flat out failed or happened too late in the game. They were just too complacent and didn't do anything to turn the ship around until it was too late when the ship was already half sunk.
>>23604888>Anon of course Super Sentai is the least profitable, it had power rangers as a parasyte that wouldn’t let it air in most of the worldThis is a cope, Rider had next to no presence in the western market and it still outsold Sentai domestically by a wide margin.
>>23604909Don't forget threatening Square Enix for having multi colored costumes like the 2017 PR movie. He really is a cunt
>>23604782Sentai toys are shit compared to the competition and Hasbro's constant Genwunnery is a terrible fit for a franchise meant to refresh every season.>>23604888Those aren't that relevant. Kamen Rider has been outselling Sentai's and Ultraman's highest recorded revenue on a yearly basis since 2009 with literally no exceptions even without official releases. Ultraman has a much larger international (which is to say Chinese) audience than the other two but the international market is still only like a quarter of Bandai's Ultra revenue. Hasbro cockblocking western Sentai releases definitely worsens Toei's ability to make money from it but the show was failing in Japan regardless, the sales were going down even when Shout was releasing DVDs.
Kamen Rider didn't have a TV series in all of the 1990s. Sentai needs a break too.
>>23605811>but the international market is still only like a quarter of Bandai's Ultra revenue.For a few years it was more than twice the revenue from Japanese toys, although Bandai managed to hurt the Chinese numbers with the last couple of series, still almost as much as what they make in Japan though.
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>>23605825Wow alright that's way more than I expected.
>>23604782They're too expensive. PR got infected with the woke mind virus. SS can't compete against cartoons like Pretty Cure, Paw Patrol, and fucking PJ Masks.
>>23605814Rider always had a solid manchildren fanbase that always fought hard for keeping the property on the public consciousness and never stop asking for new shows. By comparison, Japan took sentai by granted and view it as something kids watch and then move on. This is especially bad after the 00s considering Japanese entertainment in general moved to the obsessive fan market rather than appealing to everyone
>>236047821. Mighty Morphin Power Rangers knew how to do serialized storytelling. They connected all their shows together in one cinematic universe. They did it at least a full decade before Marvel even existed. They also knew what to edit out for the Western Audience. This led to Power Rangers making $15 billion dollars over 10 years in merchandise sales. However the owners of power rangers changed several times in the 2000s. From Saban, to Disney, back to Saban, and now to Hasbro with Netflix support. With so many changes in ownership, the TV show had no clear direction. Directors and Executives and writers constantly changed their ideas. This has led to inconsistent stories. And the franchise also suffered from forced DEI diversity. They hired actors based on their ethnicity and not their talent. 2. Super Sentai has some really cool ideas (powered suits, martial arts, and giant robots fighting monsters), but the company that makes Super Sentai is extremely rigid. They are unwilling to adapt or incorporate Western ideas (such as serialized storytelling, more mature storytelling, or letting actors stay on for more than one season). The Sentai stories got more and more zany and wacky to appeal to the dwindling Japanese fanbase, and the writing focused more on appealing to children under 5 years old. The acting stories were very bad. They started making stuff like (Pic related), and eventually becoming a shadow of their former selves. The ratings and toy sales plummeted which lead to Super Sentai being almost canceled several times. It's future is unknown.Another issue is that Super Sentai Executives at Toei seem to have a grudge against Power Rangers. Several interviews were done over the years where they said they grateful that Power Rangers is successful and shares profits WITH Toei. But they don't understand why Power Rangers is a success but the world rejects Super Sentai. Some even said it makes them upset that the world likes Power Rangers much more.
>>23605999>Mighty Morphin Power Rangers knew how to do serialized storytellingJust say Saban-era. MMPR is actively the worst of them, even more than Turbo.
>>23606019I'm not going to use made up fan terms. My explanation is for those who aren't fans and don't follow the franchise.
A Duel thread
>>23604782It's the toys. Sentai toys are expensive and offer little to no play value, with articulation now that's the same as it was 50 years ago. It only took Transformers 10 years of that time to go from immobile bricks to the fully articulated toys of Beast Wars, a level of articulation they've now had for over 30 years, while costing the exact same amount that Sentai toys do.If I want the final Sentai robot, I need to spend:>$50 on Tegasword>$30 x 5 on Wolf, Leon, Eagle, Unicorn, and Tyranno's weapons>$70 on RyoTegaswordThat's $270 for a robot that can't move anything but its shoulders. Plus I would have wasted $50 on OrcaBooster and $90 on Goodeburn and his bear if I thought I might need those for the final form (I don't), so $410 dollars for all the robots.That's twice what I'd need to get the Gavv belt and every Gochizo he uses in the show ($210). It's enough to buy somewhere between ten and twenty Transformers or Shinkalions depending on which ones I like. Hell, it's enough to buy two Soul of Chogokins. It's enough to buy two or three THE GATTAIs. What kid or adult collector is going to spend that much money on an immobile brick instead of any of those other options?
>>23605999This is the dumbest shit I've ever read.It reads like someone that is a huge PR fan but never bothered with Super Sentai.>They are unwilling to adapt or incorporate Western ideasWhy would they bother? Its for Japan not for you.
>>23606160>Why would they bother? Its for Japan not for you.Toei Executives have been saying for DECADES that they want Super Sentai to appeal to the entire world.
>>23606169It already did. It aired in plenty of countries. Just not the US.
>>23606174Do you not understand English?
>>23606160>Why would they botherBecause they want Super Sentai to be a worldwide smash hit like Power Rangers was, but they refuse to incorporate any changes to allow that to happen. They want people to accept Super Sentai as is, and be amazed.
>>23606194Do you? Sentai already had worldwide appeal. People love it outside of Japan.>>23606199>worldwide smash hitFor like 5 years. If that.
>>23606160What do you have against serialized storytelling and making sequels to popular Sentai seasons? Not every season needs a brand new cast.
>>23606214Sentai has serialized storytelling already retard.You don't know what that means.
>>23606217Not between seasons.
>>23606232That's not what serialized means retard.
>>23606217They could very easily keep the same cast and make a sequel season.
>>23606237see >>23606235Why did you reply to me twice?
>>23606156Yup, 50-80 dollars and you get toys from Takara or Korea that have standard modern articulation, neat gimmicks and lots of combo's in one package. Wild king, Shinkalion, Jobraver, Metal Cardbots, Miniforce.
>>23604782>PRDisney's disinterest (especially after getting Marvel) and then geewunnery both from Saban and Hasbro.>SentaiShit toys, hack writers, identity crisis. Still does better than one would expect from it though.
>>23606156They should make the robos as plamo moving on forward.
Super Sentai became gay baby shit for gay babies which is exactly what happened to Metal Heroes and will eventually befall Kamen Rider. Toei being retarded is and always has been the problem. There's a reason why they get considerably less anime licenses than they used to.
>>23606297That's the really embarrassing thing: ever year we get minipla that demonstrate that none of these toys have to be bricks. It's perfectly possible for people at Bandai to work a full set of joints into them without compromising anything about the designs or combinations. It's just pure laziness on the parts of the DX designers.
>>23605999Don't bother trying to explain. This thread is just a stealth thread for sentai fans to whine and complain. They don't actually want to have a genuine good faith discussion on what's wrong with sentai how to improve it. >>23606303Pretty much this. The change happened sometime during the 2010s.
>>23606303Cope.THREE TYPICAL AVERAGE KIDS INSIDE A HAUNTED MANSION raped PR for a reason.
>>23606322>random sperg about BeetleborgsWhat are you even talking aboutDid you read the post you quoted
>>23606331People love "gay baby shit for gay babies"
I think maybe they just ran out of ideas. There;s going to be a lot of distinctiveness in any franchise that's gone on for as long as this one has but, and I admit this is a gross oversimplification, but even in terms of super hero stuff I always kind of got the impression that they were really just repacking the same stuff over and over. It's always 3-5 people in the same spandex doing the same poses before fighting the same rubber monsters who turn giant for the same guy in a box suit to fight. And I don't want to sound as if I'm slagging the formula because it's always a case of execution and we've seen it done well and poorly many times. But it really is the same song and dance even when it's done well to a point were you wonder if Japan can even do a hero outside of this fashion, heck even when they adapted other heroes they made it follow this style. Supaidaman was pretty cool though.
>>23606342They could’ve done a sports-themed Sentai at least
>>23606342With the rumors of everyone having distinct armored suits, they probably realized they could double their profits with another "rider" show. If KR have have many riders like a Sentai, then why not turn Sentai into rider(with robots) as well?
>>23606342You say this, as if the formula never changed in the recent years.
They should pull Jetman and make it soap opera
>>23604782My guess is that few of the seasons are really able to stand out from the rest. When you get down to it a multi-season line up of Super Sentai heroes what you see is a massive line of similar red silhouettes with a few that stand out like Zenkaiger. They blend together rather than standing out as individuals like the Kamen Rider and even Ultraman line ups do.>>23606342>>23606352>>23606358I think it is that they feel more limited by the nature of "task forces" which need to be more homogeneous. Several of the seasons starting with Zenkaiger have been trying to get around the need for the Sentai members to have a unified look.>ZenkaigerThe "Sentai" is made of 1 hero+4 robo buddies with Twokaiser and Stacaesar as secondary heroes/rivals.>King-OhgerThe idea of 5/6 "equal" kings was limited by all the Ohgers needing to look similar.>DonbrothersWhile the Donbrothers each had a more distinct silhouette they were still limited by the need to have a unified design. This interfered with the "diverse group inadvertently needing to work together for their own reasons" theme.I wouldn't be surprised if the rebrand is more about freeing them from the limitation that every year must have a 5+ member Sentai with a Red lead.
>>23606390Yeah, they should try doing a Sentai written by Toshiki Inoue a second time.
Super Sentai has been suffering from self-wankery real bad ever since Gokaiger, releasing tons of toys that reference older shows using whatever the current series' gimmick is, and it's finally catching up with them.The whole "current rangers can transform into rangers from past series" thing isn't exactly helping either.
The formula is too rigid because it has too many repeating parts. Helmets with black visors, suits with generally similar silhouettes, giant robot fights every episode, etc. Kamen Rider is also very formulaic, but the formula is flexible. You can go from Build to Gaim to Zi-O to Zeztz, and never feel like you're watching the same thing, they're all very different, with different stories and designs. It doesn't get boring, while Sentai does. Sentai also tries to appeal to literal toddlers too much, with all the silly humor and dancing, even when the stories try to do something more serious. This makes modern Sentai feel like Kamen Rider for kids, as oxymoronic as that sounds. The toys are also often uninteresting, with boring brick robots and roleplay devices that don't hold a candle to Rider belts.If they're rebranding, hopefully they'll finally get rid of all this childish formulaic crap and do something people would actually wanna watch.
>>23606342Japanese Spider-man created the beat small monster -> face big monster format, and its success led to Super Sentai taking that.Like others mentioned though, I think the issue is the "team" itself. Homogenized suits, forced to fight together even when the writing is trying to make them standalone (Kingohger, Donbrothers, Gozyuger also suffer from this, Kingohger handled it the best out of these 3, but it's really a problem they have trying to make their heroes stand out, the Sentai format itself goes against it.For a long time, Super Sentai was the only place where you could get multiple heroes at all, so these issues didn't hurt it much, but nowadays when you have Rider with multiple heroes that are actually allowed to stand on their own, Super Sentai's limitations end up just sabotaging its own heroes.
PR basically got killed by being stigmatized as baby shit in the West where everyone wants to be cool and mature as soon as possible and PR is inherently the opposite of that.
Children are a gradually shrinking market and Bandai never quite figured out how to make Super Sentai figures enticing to adult collectors.
>>23606478S.H. Figuarts were good enough, but the shows stopped being interesting to anyone above the age of 6, so that whole line got cancelled.
>>23604782Power Rangers needed to grow with the times and they also relied way to heavily on the first season nostalgia. Super Sentai is a whole other rabbit hole. The main reason I believe is because even if it was a show for children it was way to childish. Let me explain. The whole episodic nature was a fucking terrible idea that threw away story driven narratives by dumbing down shit. Kids nowadays are much more in the know of shit. They have access to the internet since very young. The way sentai treated them like they were too fucking dumb and not aware to be able to understand an over arching story that gets advanced every episode bit them in the ass. Look at Kamen Rider. Kamen Rider ate shit by following the same formula and was only revived because Kuuga was more like a Jdrama that both older and younger fans could enjoy. This has led Kamen Rider to do very well for itself since its return in the 2000s. Sentai needs to 100% follow the Kamen Rider formula if it wants to survive. Make interesting stories with well written characters that you care about. Shit both young and older fans will enjoy. Basically remember how awesome Sentai was during the 80s and try that again.
>>2360651080s Sentai outside of Liveman is formulaic as hell. Reiwa is unironically a more experimental period for the franchise.
>>23606495Honestly, the bigger problem (or at least the one I have) with Super Sentai's S.H. Figuarts is that generally people want to be able to collect their favorite teams in their entirety. Which they can't do if figures get canceled.And if people genuinely do just want to get their favorite character, well, fuck you if your favorite isn't a red or sixth.>>23606511By the standards of the time, Hirohisa Soda giving villains character arcs was pretty damn novel and he did that as early as fucking Dynaman. Though these days it's common place.
Will Power Rangers be able to carry Sentai’s legacy?
>>23606533What are the odds they just do remakes of Zeo and beyond and then do remakes of the older Sentai?
>>23606533Zyuoh The Whopper
The guy always sperging out about "serialization" is the /prg/ anon. Just let him have his threads back so he can retread the same five topics.
>>23606546>What are the odds they just do remakes of Zeo and beyond and then do remakes of the older Sentai?It's possible. Depends if Toei will share the original Sentai battle footage and let the Americans rescan the footage in HD quality.Toei is too cheap to pay for it themselves.
>>23606468>For a long time, Super Sentai was the only place where you could get multiple heroes at all, so these issues didn't hurt it much, but nowadays when you have Rider with multiple heroes that are actually allowed to stand on their own, Super Sentai's limitations end up just sabotaging its own heroes.I don't pretend to be the deepest expert on this stuff but I also feel like the team aspect feels a bit token. They'll fight together and do their poses and all that but it rarely feels like a collection of heroes with their own distinct traits outside whatever personality gimmick they have. Like if you compare a given sentai team to say, Fantastic Four or the X-men. Heroes all designed to function as a team but with far more distinct abilities to solve any given crisis. A lot of the time it feels like everyone is kind of the same outside of what weapon they use to pummel on fodder mooks. It's a team series but a team of what? Not to get too east vs west as well but I feel like there's an interesting distinction where Japanese media will focus a lot of its energy on the fight at hand while in a western comic or hero franchise you'll get your big super hero punch up but usually there's something bigger going on in the background. Find the hostage, diffuse the bomb, drive off the galactic planet eater and the fight is usually a play for time rather than the end result. Not always a lot of comics end in big dumb action fisticuffs.
>>23604789>They actually tried to make a good toy once and it did really wellwhich one?
>>23606832Onitaijin
>>23604782>>23604789Short story: This just isn't Super Sentai/Power Rangers's timelineLong story:There were a few things that could have worked in Super Sentai and Power Rangers favour. See, one of the early people to see profit in the idea was Stan Lee. THE Stan Lee. Its the reason why we have Battle Fever J - Battle Fever is actually supposed to be a Marvel property. Its why it was one of two productions Marvel did with Toei (the other being Supaidaman) Now, who owned Power Rangers for a short while, then sold it off, and during that period also bought Marvel? That's right. DISNEY. We COULD have lived in a world where Super Sentai could have "reconnected" with its Disney roots. Its not too far fetched - again, Battle Fever J. You could literally have a Power Rangers team meet an adaptation of Battle Fever J, do some timey wimey bullshit, and bam! Battle Fever J is now formally in the Marvel Multiverse, along with Super Sentai.But that didn't happen. Because Disney didn't see the point in adapting Sentai, a reason why they stopped at RPM. (great season btw). Saban didn't want to see the IP wasted, so bought it back. Problem was, the corner-cutting that worked for Saban in the 90s just couldn't work for newer audiences.In addition, Sentai just got more "unadaptable". We got ToQger, Lupinranger & Patranger, Donbrothers and a number of other sentais that were too up its own butt about with things that didn't really lend to adaptation.But thing was, sentai "needs" adaptation? Why, you ask? Because adaptation meant more revenue - toys that were sold in a sentai season could be sold internationally. And repurporsed. As power rangers toys. But Toei didn't see that, and became more recluse. And of course, Hasbro's ineptitude did not help (Cosmic Fury was a fucking disaster)There's no one simple reason. No single party to lay the blame on. All that one can do is just dream of a better world. One, where Battle Fever J got its own Marvel comic revival.
>>23606869I want to touch Battle Kenya's helmet ears...
>>23606869If Battle Fever J got tied in with Marvel and caught on instead of being forgotten, all that realistically would happen is the Western audience would hyperfixate on that and ignore the rest of Sentai, like it does with MMPR.
>>23606869iirc they also were eyeing a Silver Surfer show per that FOOM or whatever with Stan shaking hands with young cartoonist Nagai Goalso wasn't there an attempt at getting a Sun Vulcan off the ground pre-saban? I want to say I recall Sunbow/Marvel in the loop on that?
>>23606869>But thing was, sentai "needs" adaptation? Why, you ask? Because adaptation meant more revenue - toys that were sold in a sentai season could be sold internationally. And repurporsed. As power rangers toys. But Toei didn't see that, and became more recluse. And of course, Hasbro's ineptitude did not help (Cosmic Fury was a fucking disaster)Sentai only became really unadaptable with Zenkaiger and that only happened after Bandai lost rights to sell the PR toys. Before that Toei specifically made Kyuranger with adaptation to western market in mind. Go figure.
>>23606921True, but I would say it would be at least two teams that would get hyperfixated instead of just one - Battle Fever J and Zyuranger/Mighty Morphin. Instead we end up with a timeline where power rangers is dead in the west and they only care for mighty morphin', while super sentai is put into Odinsleep until the next reset, which will be Kuuga-style. Maybe.
>>23604782Faggot Pandering as always
>>23606948Problem was that Kyuranger's toys also sucked ass. It was a thing on /ssg/ back in the day. Fat lot of help Bandai of America did for Bandai Japan. I don't blame Saban for selling it to Hasbro - inept as Hasbro was eventually, the first set of Beast Morphers toys was promising.
>>23604909Can't believe the gigajew will outlive both
>>23606823Kamen Rider shifted heavily to the western comic style when it revived, even the more MotW seasons would have two-parters where the heroes often lost the fight in the first episode because of something else they haven't solved. Sentai can't get away with this because it needs a minimum of two fights per episode and making the mecha fight more emotionally complex is harder. King-Ohger is the most story heavy season and it did that in part by sidelining the mecha for sometimes months on end.
>>23606869>But thing was, sentai "needs" adaptation?No, it fucking didn't. Sentai was doing fine in Brazil, France and such before PR. 5 clean diversity hires fighting against the most nonthreatening villains ever made (otherwise soccer moms would bitch about it) only poisoned the well in the long run, because now everyone looks at a team of heroes in different colors and thinks "wow that's Power Rangers how lame". And that's how 2017 movie came to be, it had to have deaths, angst and a revenge porn sideplot to fight against the stigma. Similar things can be said for the comics, everytime PR leaves the show it becomes edgy because of it.>toys that were sold in a sentai season could be sold internationallySomething similar happened in Brazil (Jiban and Winspector toys by Glasslite) and it didn't need to PRfy anything to do this. Look at other shows who were PRfied in the past, like Yugioh and Digimon, sure everyone has nostalgia over their first shows because they grew up with them, but I'm sure no one cared about Zexal or Xros Wars 4kids dubs.And I'm 100% sure Zyuranger would have been far more popular than PR if it aired worldwide.
>>23606985>shifted to the Western comic styleDid it? I don't see stories that use the same characters as 100 years ago where nothing actually changes because they rely on novelty like "watch as Riderman dies for the 8th time, this time he might be gone for more than half a year"
>>23604782>>23606288>>23606869The thing with Saban was that he tried to recreate his success in the 90's that didn't work in the modern day not only for Power Rangers but for well, everything.American kids who grew up on Digimon don't have nostalgia for Fusion, if they wanted to watch Xros Wars they could've just looked up fan subs online.Saturday Morning Cartoon Blocks were a staple back then but simply didn't work in a post-streaming world.In a post-DCAU, post-Avatar, etc world where Western children's shows became more serious (at the time), Power Rangers went backwards instead of forwards because Saban was obsessed with recreating the MMPR formula that made that first season such a huge hit without understanding that times have changed. The 2017 movie bombing was when Saban called it quits and we got Brian Goldner who did seem genuinely interested in Power Rangers.....and then he got cancer and died leaving the rest of Hasbro scratching their heads because they Goldner took those plans with him and he spent $522 million on Power Rangers (which came with VR Troopers, Beetleborgs, My Pet Monster, etc because let's face it Haim gave an all or nothing deal to inflate the price)
Life just isn't a team based endeavor anymore. At most you support one two others who aren't direct family. They have unfortunately highlighted that with Gozyuger, with them barely being a team even this far into the show, still essentially just working with each other out of convenience, not due to shared convictions.
>>23606303But I actually liked Kiramager, the last show to actually feel like it was for a younger audience to me.It's the newer shows that are hit and miss and biting off more than they can choose with story-lines and concepts.
>>23607094What works elsewhere doesn't cut it here. The US hates Japan and would never accept a Japanese superhero show.
>>23607101>I don't see stories that use the same characters as 100 years ago where nothing actually changesThe only thing that changes with Sentai is the names. They'll distract you with a new costume but it's the same exact shit. Don't try to and get smug over your particular children's entertainment.
>>23607183>The US hates JapanThat was only the boomer executives that were afraid of the Japanese making all the money and buying their baseball teams. Little kids didn't care where Mario was coming from.
>>23607183Still seething over Pearl Harbor? It wasn't really US soil at the time because there were too many brown people still living on Hawaii. It was a militar base. Meanwhile America air bombed civilians and dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.America was a mistake
>>23607193Mario has round blue eyes and he's oficially Italian-American. I bet most kids weren't even aware Mario was created by a Japanese company
>>23607161That's not the reason. >The thing with Saban was that he tried to recreate his success in the 90's that didn't work in the modern day not only for Power Rangers but for well, everything. Except Saban didn't try to do same. He made the new Power Ranger TV show so childish and simple. Even for a power ranger show for kids, it was super childish. My nephew couldn't even watch it and called it a show for babies. At the time, My nephew was 8 years old. You have a serious problem when an 8 year old is rejecting your kids show. 8 year olds are supposed to be your target demographic with power rangers! Then Saban made the 2017 Power Ranger movie. Except the movie wasn't connected to the TV show at all! Another mistake. It was a brand new cast! So the remaining fans the TV show had were disappointed. The old 90s PR movie worked because it was connected to the same TV show show. It was a celebration of 90s power rangers cast. But the 2017 movie had to waste precious time with backstory and reintroducing characters. The third problem was that the 2017 movie was that it just wasn't a good movie. There wasn't enough action or fighting. Not enough martial arts action. The movie was 90% teen drama until the last 25 minutes. They also went way too hard on the forced diversity and forced trauma. They chanced Billy's ethnicity to black and made him literally autistic. Wtf. They also hired a noob Director who, if you look up their IMDB history, has almost no experience. He was simply friends with Saban and got the job through connections. This isn't the type of director that you give your $150 million movie to. All of his promo interviews remind me of a fresh film school graduate who is happy to just make a movie. Too giddy. Too inexperienced. At least hire a director who made several feature films! If the TV show was fun to watch and the 2017 movie was entertaining, then we wouldnt be having this discussion.
>>23605999No foreign company likes their properties being made into chop-shop because Americans are racist retards. No other country goes out of their way to erase Japanese people and culture from toku and anime for decades. It's only since the new millennium that anime is being more professionally dubbed and closer to the Japanese scripts. Not to mention keeping the Japanese songs even.Live-action is a different animal. The again this is the same country who arrested Hyundai employees in Georgia because of MAGAtards and now the locals are begging Korea to come back. Americans do not like Asian people..
>>23607193And then the US destroyed Japan's economy because they were afraid. Good job. You tanked an ally and trading partner while strengthening the PRC. Leaked Intel even says the Chinese aren't going to do anything but sit back and watch us crumble. They don't have to lift a finger.
>>23607195A lot of the most influential Nintendo stuff back then had a very WESTERN FRIENDLY vibe to it. Metroid and Zelda were pretty basic sci fi and fantasy, Punch Out was basically Rocky and Mario was well Mario. Honestly I think a lot of games from that era had a lot of western influence in them and it wasn't for good whiley before things started to get, for want of a better term, aggressively weeby. Even with the manga artist tie ins you could show the Ishinomori Zelda magazine to some kids in the west and they'd think nothing of it. I mean there's an obvious design difference but it wasn't as strongly emphasized. Outside of changing to angry eyes.
>>23606412Works for Kamen Rider
>>23607200>No other country goes out of their way to erase Japanese people and culture from tokuARE YOU TIRED OF UNSIGHTLY ASIANS GETTING IN THE WAY OF YOUR SCIFI FOOTAGE?OH NOWHAT A MESS!BUT YOU CAN SCRUB THAT YELLOW STAIN AWAY EASY WITH OUR NEW ULTRA-PROCESS
>>23607214Yeah Tsuburaya had that in mind to tap into the US
>>23606823Comparing comic books to low-budget live-action TV is wrong. Of course comics could do more varied heroes, they didn't have to film anything on a shoestring budget. A more apt comparison would be something like Cyborg 009, which had a rather varied group of heroes.>Not to get too east vs west as well but I feel like there's an interesting distinction where Japanese media will focus a lot of its energy on the fight at hand while in a western comic or hero franchise you'll get your big super hero punch up but usually there's something bigger going on in the background. Find the hostage, diffuse the bomb, drive off the galactic planet eater and the fight is usually a play for time rather than the end result. Not always a lot of comics end in big dumb action fisticuffs.You're also comparing very episodic TV shows to infamously serialized comic books. The whole point was to make every episode standalone so kids could always jump in and understand the general idea, the fact that comics didn't do it actually turned into a problem that they still can't resolve - people find it too daunting to get into.
>>23607217I just love how it's everything except an audible PING as the dude gets removed
>>23607200>No foreign company likes their properties being made into chop-shop because Americans are racist retards.Shut up. Toei was paid billions of dollars. They took the deal and aren't allowed to complain.
>>23607221It really shames me as an American that we're this assbackward
>>23607200>>23607214>super sentai is Japanese Culture!!! You can't separate it. It's impossibru! Evidently not. Since power rangers did it, and made billions of dollars.
>>23607224They only accepted the deal because they tried to break into the US and the money was good back then for only 1 year's footage to adapt. But even the creative staff disliked PR treating sentai as a source of clips and props. Glad PR is dead.
>>23607227It used to. Now it's a rotting corpse.
>>23607225as far as I can tell it really wasn't until Saban sold the idea that you HAD to do this that it became popularGodzilla did it with Raymond Burr but most things just dubbed it, Giant Robo and Ultraman did little to hide their Japanese origins and were in syndication for ages. Kung Fu movies never had to hide that they were asians in themobviously these weren't pinnacles of society but Soupy Sales knew who Mothra was
>>23607200Super Sentai fans on this board are the worst. They act like they are gatekeeping some hidden gem that can't be changed. So smug. It's just a show with mid looking Asians in spandex fighting monsters. There's nothing specifically Japanese about it.
>>23606868Onitaijin is only cool combined, the individual robotaros are bricks, can’t do shit with them, Oni sister is a demon and has no club, Momo robotaro can barely stand. The bigger robo proves you can only add slippers and swap the arms can’t handle too much weight on it
>>23607230>blah blah blah>poor Toei>blah blah blah Toei are a bunch of greedy bastards who saw $$$ and took all the money they could get. Stop pretending.
>>23607230>the money was good back then for only 1 year's footage to adapt. Nibba. Lmao. Toei were paid 20% of the profits. Power Rangers earned 12 billion dollars in the 1990s in toy sales. Do the math.
>>23607233And what does it say that the US adapts these shows from Japan? And nothing Japanese about it? What are you smoking?
>>23607240They took the money because it WAS a good deal. And then Saban got uppity and pissed them off. >>23607243Yeah back then. It wasn't raking that kind of dough when Saban bought it back.
>>23607232Well Saban's yesterday news. He worked in the 80s and 90s but Neo Saban was painful. I will say this in defense of the 2017 movie. The fact that they DIDN'T get along at first and eventually bonded was good.
>>23607244The concept of a team of good warriors fighting against evil monsters isn't new or exclusively Japanese. The Americans only used Sentai footage because the footage was ready made and cheap.
>>23607252The roll calls and poses as well as attack phrases are all staples from Japanese kabuki theater. Something that Takayuki Suzuki had to explain to the MMPR staff. At least do some fucking research.And now Hasbro needs to get off its ass and do some actually work since they no longer have access to the cheap footage.I actually grew up with PR and then switched to sentai because I wasn't a little kid anymore and haven't looked back. I appreciate the campiness and feel of practical effects and costuming; something that modern US TV and film don't do as much anymore. Sentai isn't special because it's MUH NIPPON folded 1000 times. It's fun because they have an old school feel of Silver Age superheroes albeit through Japanese culture. Modern US capes are either grimdark antiheroes or snarky quippers to justify personality.
>>23607201If you're talking about the bubble, they corpos did that to themselves, honestly. It was almost the exact thing as the American subprime mortgage crisis: they were lending to anyone and just printing money. The signs of a bubble were very clear and Japan just let people do it. Currently, they're intentionally devaluing their currency to encourage a tourist utopia and also encourage foreign investment at low prices. We'll see if it works. Also robots.
>>23607253You are missing the entire argument. The anon claimed you cannot cut up Super Sentai scenes and seperate it from Japanese culture. But none of what you said is exclusively Japanese. Announcing your name and attacking the enemy happened in European culture as well.
>>23607256We browbeated Japan in trade deals and did all sorts of Japan bashing. A lot of Japan's economic woes are their fault like dumping all that money in the 90s on useless infrastructure and increasing their debt. But we played a role. And we still fuck them over.
>>23607257>Announcing your name and attacking the enemy happened in European culture as well.Which ones? Can you cite examples in their fiction?
>>23604782Lots of good replies in this thread. Personally I think that one thing Super Sentai/Power Rangers need is characters you'd wish you had in your life. A big part of the appeal of the original Rangers was that they were the friend group teens wish they were in, or kids wished they were approved by.
>>23607260>"Foul knave! Prepare to taste steel!"
>>23607268Eh, that’s kinda reaching. That's exposition in early modern theater and literature. Not quite like how Japanese modern fiction does special attacks and whatnot.
>>23607259Not really. From the 1950s to 1980s, Japan took advantage of the fact that other World nations still thought Japan was still rebuilding after the devastation of World War 2 and getting nuked. Japanese played the... >"oh we're just a poor island nation and recovering after getting nuked twice and our cities bombed. Please don't look too closely at our financial system or our currency. Give us a break pls." ... card. This gained Japan so much sympathy from the world. Because of that, other countries gave Japan a huge financial break on the world trading market. They allowed the Japanese Yen to be SUPER undervalued. The idea was to help Japan recover and rebuild. So much money flowed in Japan because of the cheap exchange rate. The Japanese government also blocked foreign governments from looking too deeply into the Japanese financial system. This cheap exchange rate for the Yen was so cheap compared to the Dollar (and other European currencies) that it allowed Japan to sneakily flood world markets with Japanese products. Cheap Toyotas, Hondas, Nissans, etc...were everywhere. You could buy a Japanese car for less than HALF the cost of an American or European car.Suddenly the world took notice of Japan. They realized that Japan wasn't some poor nation still trying to rebuild after World War 2. In just 30 years, they rebuilt themselves into an economic super power.So World Nations created the Plaza Accord Treaty which basically was a treaty saying that they were taking off the "training wheels" from Japan and removing all the free bonuses they got as a recovering WW2 nation to help them rebuild. It declaered Japan was a modern nation, and that the Japanese Yen will be re-evaluated and traded fairly against other currencies.Then Japan did something stupid. They took all their new wealth and recklessly invested it into real estate. For brief time they were rich. But then the real estate bubble popped. And Japan's economy crashed in the 90s.
>>23607273Nah man, I was just joking. I'm not the anon you were speaking with. I think in western cultures the closest we have to announcing our attacks is when we scream as we attack someone. Btw speaking of japanes theater. Is there a name for this exclamation that goes "yo-hoooooo"?
>>23607260>Which ones? Can you cite examples in their fiction?The practice of announcing your name and attacking your enemy goes back thousands of years in Europe. It was common in ancient Greek and Roman culture and is well documented. But if insist on a literature example, it happens in Homer's the Iliad. The fictional characters of Achilles and Hector announce themselves in a roll call before fighting.But it also happened in real life across Europe outside the Roman Empire top. Ancient Germanic and Celtic tribes would announce their names, their deeds, and share their accomplishments in front of their opponent. Both sides would do this. Then engage in a duel. It was both honor and spectacle.Japan did not create the idea of a roll call for warriors. They do not have a monopoly on it.
>>23607277>I think in western cultures the closest we have to announcing our attacks is when we scream as we attack someone. Tell everyone you are uneducated and ignorant without telling directly everyone you are uneducated and ignorant.
>>23607283You see I'm familiar with classical warfare and you are correct. You had 2 champions meet one another and challenge while extolling their lineage and feats of arms. The samurai did this too pre-Mongol invasions.But the way sentai, anime and other staples of Japanese fiction isn't really found in modern literature, theater, etc. in Western countries. At least not to the extent of joining hands and weapons to create a barrage or cupping hands to launch a ki blast.
>>23607251>Saban's yesterday newsyes, that tends to come up when discussing the history of things
>>23607293>At least not to the extent of joining hands and weapons to create a barrage or cupping hands to launch a ki blast.If you are going to go down this argument path, then you are going to get a lot of angry Chinese and Koreans who would disagree with you. Their fictional literature (both old and modern) has the same thing. The idea of Ki and energy is present in their cultures as well. Japan doesn't have a monopoly on those concepts.
>>23607298I agree their literature in the old days used to have that stuff. Japan's toku and anime defined it to the way that Chinese and Koreans emulate their style. It's no surprise Chinese and Koreans have taken notes of what Japanese animation and video games have done for decades and now churning just as much.
>>23607218>Comparing comic books to low-budget live-action TV is wrong.I don't think so. At least not in this sense. I'm just pointing out that the team needs to feel more team like. It doesn't have to be a firey guy and a rocky guy just something that makes them feel more unique. A special set of knowledge. Use the vehicles more like Thunderbirds or something. >You're also comparing very episodic TV shows to infamously serialized comic books. The whole point was to make every episode standalone so kids could always jump in and understand the general idea, the fact that comics didn't do it actually turned into a problem that they still can't resolve - people find it too daunting to get into.I think you're overestimating how serialized comics were. Especially the further you go back. Comics had a hard rule for a time to be written specifically so that anyone picking up a new current issue could understand them going on.
>>23607183Explain Mexico and LATAM then, before they went full commies.....
>>23607322Those countries never went to brutal war in the Pacific against Japan.
>>23607183Why would the US audience want to watch an entire team of Japanese and Asian people? The US is a diverse country. They will accept 1 or 2 Asian team members, but the US audiences wants variety. White, Black, Native America, etc need to be included as well. This is mandatory and non-negotiable.
>>23606550American Zyuoh Shark would get it hard
>>23607253Early MMPR original suit footage had the rangers act very awkward
>>23607276Geezzus, i wonder, would there be another way to japan to recover their economy and not being fucked anymore? or was it a ''Once in a lifetime'' deal?
>>23606394>Several of the seasons starting with Zenkaiger have been trying to get around the need for the Sentai members to have a unified look.Technically Kyuranger started that, only for LuPat onwards to go back to the usual.
>>23607708Kys
Perhaps kids today no longer see human conflict in simple good-vs-evil terms?Or maybe it’s the adults who’ve decided children shouldn’t be misled by those who use words like “evil” for political or manipulative purposes?
>>23607725Sentai has become boring, predictable, and too formulaic. ( Last unique Sentai show was probably Gokaiger 12 years ago.)The shows rely too much kn gimmicks like giant transformation devices and special transformation dances. Bring back old school Sentai with family members tragically fighting each other and characters dying heroically. Also the Sentai girls are no longer as hot as Kamen Rider girls. Sentai girls are mid.
>>23607725>Maybe kids are joyless fucks who can't tell the difference between fiction and realityyeah checks out. This generation is warped.
>>23607743>Last unique Sentai show was probably Gokaiger 12 years ago.Most shows in the current era are more unique than Gokaiger. Hell, the show that came right after Gokaiger is more unique than Gokaiger.
>>23607743>The shows rely too much kn gimmicks like giant transformation devices and special transformation dancesKyoryuger is the highest-selling show in the franchise (yes, it made more money than Gokaiger) and one of the most popular as well.>Bring back old school Sentai with family members tragically fighting each other and characters dying heroically.That's not old school Sentai and the only reason they killed off team members back then was because the actors literally left the shows so they were forced to take their characters out.
>>23607725Or perhaps there's not many new kids because low fertility
>>23607725Twitterbrained retard.
>>23607489>Geezzus, i wonder, would there be another way to japan to recover their economy and not being fucked anymore?It's possible. But Japan needs to stop having illusions of grandeur of being a super power. They should just focus on making Japan prosperous for their citizens without trickery. And stop challenging America or Europe or other Asian countries in direct economic battles. Japan has always been incredibly good at hardware manufacturing. Especially precision manufacturing (Much better than China). Sony, Toshiba, Hitachi, Toyota, etc are great Japanese brands. Hardware manufacturing is something that can be taught and techniques passed down to future Japanese workers. They take pride in it. Japan SUCKS at software development though. Software requires creativity, flexibility, and innovative ideas that go against the cultural norms. All things Japanese people suck at because of their conformist society. That's why Japan never made their own Google. If Japan teams up with America and forms an economic alliance. I could see Japan making a comeback. >or was it a ''Once in a lifetime'' deal?Well... I doubt it will ever happen again. They were given 30 to 40 years of their economy on "super easy mode" because everyone felt sorry for them after WW2, and wanted to give them time to rebuild.The Japan got a little too cocky in the 1980s and made their grifting a little too obvious by rapidly flooding the world markets with Japanese products. This signaled to the world that they were no longer just a "recovering nation". If the Japanese kept their greed in check and did it slowly, they might have kept the situation going for maybe another 5 to 10 years. The biggest mistake is they openly challenged America economically. The Japanese tried to challenge the American car and electronics industry. America was having none of that. This was the main reason Japan lost their "easy mode" status.Japan couldn't compete once easy mode was removed.
>>23605999>Mighty Morphin Power Rangers knew how to do serialized storytelling. They connected all their shows together in one cinematic universe.No more than Sentai did with the occasional cross over movie. Name dropping Morphin Grid every once in a while does not make a Cinematic universe.
>>23607161>which came with VR Troopers, Beetleborgs, My Pet Monster, etc because let's face it Haim gave an all or nothing deal to inflate the priceDid he even still have those rights? When the VR Troopers recently returned in the PR comics their suits were somewhat altered in design suggesting they didn't have the rights for the Metal Heroes designs anymore
>>23607887Oh come on anon. I know you love Sentai but you have to give Power Rangers the win here. Their seasons were way more interconnected than Sentai. MMPR S1 to S3, Zeo, Turbo, and In Space were linked.
>>23607757Yeah the core 5 are always untouchable unless they needed an emergency actor replacement. It's just sixths that can potentially die but even then never till the end of the shows
>>23607892That's not a cinematic universe that's just one long ass show where they kept changing the name. I sort of see what you are trying to get at but it's not really the same. A cinematic universe would be like 3 of those seasons running simultaneously with frequent crossovers like the NCIS shows used to be. Or just connect it with the other Saban shows running. They nearly did this with Masked Rider, even setting up his show in PR but Saban got cold feet at the last minute and since Masked Rider bombed he didn't want to try with Beetleborgs either.
>>23604782power rangers' shared universe got really shit after a few seasons
>>23607899They had crossovers in the comics.
Extreme infantilization.This has also hit Precure and Rider to lesser degrees. Sentai just takes the cake. They took all the wrong lessons from Kyoryuger.
>>23607899Funnily enough, Hasbro can easily shove Power Rangers into their Transformers/G.I. Joe/M.A.S.K. shared universe.
>>23607867But wasn't burgerland scared shitless of Japan taking over? That fear was everywhere during the eighties. How could they recover from being shook so quickly and then neuter them so quickly as well? If they could always pull that anyways then why be scared of Japandomination?
>>23607929 America wasn't scared. They were really annoyed. And It wasn't just America.It was America, Canada, Australia, France, New Zealand, Belgium, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Italy, and Germany. Plus a few other Euro Countries. Also a few other Asian countries complained about Japan too. They were Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Republic of Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand. To use an analogy, Japan was invited to have a seat at the table during a fun casual poker game. Then Japan acted in an "un-gentlemanly" aggressive way trying to win. Which forced the other players to enforce rules because Japan was being "that guy". You know that guy? It's the guy that ruins the fun for everyone. Every friend group has one. Japan was that guy during the 70s and 80s.>How could they recover from being shook so quickly and then neuter them so quickly as well?It wasn't hard. Japan annoyed most of the countries in the World Trade Organization. Including America. If Japan didn't agree, they risked being cut off from trade. Japan wasn't being fair either. They were not some "innocent country" there was unfairly accused and had to be nerfed because they were just so awesome. Japan was playing dirty. Japan imposed so many rules and restrictions on imports. They put heavy Tariffs on many imports and outright refused to accept goods from many countries. Japan also created so many trade barriers that it was nearly impossible for foreign companies to open a branch in Japan. The Japanese government was unfairly protecting their companies. Meanwhile, Japan was allowed to freely access the markets of North America and Europe without any trade barriers. No Tariffs. No fees. Japan could enter freely and sell their products. Japan took full advantage of this and went overboard.You can't "hyper restrict" your own markets, but still expect every other foreign country to be open, free, and accept your goods without complaint. That goes against the idea of Fair trade.
>>23607921Rider is doing better than ever.
>>23607927wow to fit in there without having shown up before? must be some sort of "secret squad"
>>23604782Super Sentai still has fan arts on Danbooru
>>23608027Yeah, a himitsu sentai, if you will.
How come they haven't done another Time Ranger Sentai show?
>>23608079they could go back in time to when it was popular
>>23607921It hasn't hit Rider at all, I don't know what you mean by that.Precure has its own issues, but in terms of tone, it's probably changed even less than Sentai. The only contention would be how fights are done but that doesn't really affect toy sales
>>23607200>No foreign company likes their properties being made into chop-shop because Americans are racist retards.I promise you the suits don't give a fuck beyond the monetary gain.
>>23608106Yeah they do because they want to market sentai by itself. Glad Hollywood is destroying itself.
I kinda expected the sentai successor to just be the giant mecha battles, akin to ultraman.
>>23607892Depends on what you mean by "give it the win" because if you think one season looks good but you have to watch 200 episodes just to get to it, is that winning over being able to jump around in what looks interesting?
>>23607921It definitely didn't hit Rider. Rider's most comedic season was Fourze, and it predated Kyoryuger. Fourze was eventually followed by a season written by Urobutcher himself, and other serious drama seasons, like Build.Precure always had a consistent tone. You look at classic seasons like Heartcatch or Smile, and they're exactly the same as the current seasons. Wonderful had notably less physical combat than others, but then we got Idol, which has all the punching and kicking you'd want.Meanwhile, if you compare any post-Kyoryu Sentai to pre-Kyoryu (except maybe Go-Onger), the difference would be fucking blatant, and not in a good way. You can just compare the fucking openings to see how Sentai stopped being cool. After rewatching them one evening, I caught myself thinking that, while I would happily show an average kid older sentai (even some Showa ones), I really wouldn't show them post-Kyoryu ones because they'll think it looks gay as fuck (except maybe Lupat and KingOh), and wouldn't even be wrong.
>>23608382Look at this closeted nigga deliberately ignoring Gokaiger's silly ending sequence, or all the fucking dance endings in 2000s Sentai.
>>23604782Because even though the main gimmick is team-based, the bad writing means the red ranger gets way more attention than everyone else and everyone else is window dressing, and the team has weak interaction with one another.And I will admit these aren't new problems and even good sentai have had these issues.
>>23607921Nigga Precure is like anime Barbie. It's supposed to have the same demographics as Dora and Bob the Builder.
>>23608397Ending sequences are different from opening sequences.
>>23608467Keep coping.
