How long does it take to properly train a Mobile Suit pilot for military use? Pretty much in both UC and AU, the training pipeline for soldiers seems to be rather fast, and they're able to become combat pilots in the span of only a few months or even faster after finishing basic training. For more career roles such as academy officers, it seems to be a much longer process. >0079 has Amuro, Hayato, Kai, Job, and Sayla become adept at piloting in the span of a week or so>0080 saw Chris becoming a fully certified test pilot in the timespan of about a year. >0083 mentions Kou and Keith going through a Federation military academy, meaning it probably took about a year for him to become a military test pilot. >Athrun became a combat pilot after his training before the events of SEED, which also seems to have taken up to about a year to complete.>00 tells that Setsuna became a Gundam Meister in the span of a year at the age of 14>G-Witch mentions that the piloting course takes about three years, although it's not meant to be a military pipeline, since the education is meant for creating civilian professionals like test pilots and pilot instructors for industrial needs. Moreover, the students already have experience from piloting before being accepted, and most of the time they're just learning industrial and commercial skills during those three years. The training to learn the basics of mobile suit piloting probably takes a few months at most in Ad Stella to be considered "experienced".In other words, the complete pipeline to becoming a fully-certified combat pilot is probably a year or so, when combined with basic military training, officer / NCO course, specialization training, combat training, and finally survival training (and some infantry training if it was not given during basic).
>>23626299IT'S NOT REAL YOU MORON! Quit fixating on retarded shit you autistic asshole.
>>23626299Piloting an MS is exactly as easy as the plot requires.
>>23626299Huffing Sayla-san’s scent directly from her sweaty flight suit. Think about it
>>23626299...why are you comparing multiple different settings as though they all have the same control schemes and skill floors? Not to mention that Athrun is a fucking Coordinator.The real answer is >>23626344I don't think there's ever been an adequate explanation aside from the numbers you brought up. Just like how there's never been an explanation for how mobile suits can move in an incredibly human fashion on purpose using buttons and fucking joysticks. (Kou's Gelgoog flashing some infantry a peace sign will never leave my head.)
>>23626387>Kou'sSorry, KEITH's Gelgoog.
>>23626387>>23626315I'm just making some fun guesses here.
>>23626539You're being a retard.
>>23626543Why are you so aggressive?
>>23626299The 0079 crew already had gotten aeronautic training by the time they actually started doing shit, with the exception of Amuro, which had family ties to the gundam project.As for people like Athrun or Setsuna, they are literally 1/1.000.000 aces with supernatural (or genetically engineered) affinity for the role, so, yeah, pretty reasonable.I'm pretty sure real life pilot schools within the air force take around 4 years to complete, but they include miscelaneous military topics like doctrine and whatnot.
>>23626387I mean we do know it's largely macros and customized macros and there's a more awkward, in the moment manual control option you can switch to. That one scene from f91 is doing heavy lifting though. The entire thing with GMs all doing imitations of amuro's movements is pretty foundational too.At its basic level rookies probably are just pressing "pull out sword button" and then "attack with sword button" and then they're gonna get owned by someone who knows their frame data or customized their own combo string.
>>23626588I'm pretty sure only Ryu had some simulator experience as a cadet prior to White Base but I might be misremembering.
Do female pilots get maternity leave?
>>23626588>I'm pretty sure real life pilot schools within the air force take around 4 years to complete, but they include miscelaneous military topics like doctrine and whatnot.Mobile Suit piloting seems to be a lot easier to learn than fighter and bomber planes, since even average pilots are able to grasp the basics in a very short amount of time. After that, it's a matter of adapting and learning to grow as a pilot.
>>23626632As far as I know the only one who piloted while pregnant was Marbet and the war ended before there she showed signs other than newtype awareness of it.
>>23626299Domon Kasshu trained for 10 years to be his nation's Gundam fighter.
>>23626632More than likely, or they'll be assigned to non-combat duty until delivery.
>>23626748He just trained for martial arts and they just put him in the cockpit a few days before the series starts.
>>23626356somebody posted a pic from a manga of Sayla sucking Armuro off and it was really hot but I can't find it again
>>23626632>come back from maternity leave>have to get refitted for a new pilot suit>get back into the cockpit>has the seat in here always been this small?>I wonder if I can pump in here...
>>23626299>officer / NCO course>survival training >infantry training if it was not given during basicAre you retarded? What does this have to do with piloting or mobile suits?
>>23627479........I bet you think the only qualification to be a pilot is learning to fly a plane.SERE school is mandatory, as is the fucking training to be in the military. Officers have to earn their rank (grain of salt there), and all pilots must be commissioned officers. You are not only dumb, but aggressive in being dumb.
>>23627479what is your autistic obsession with this? you've made multiple threads on here and on /k/ about this. Yes, pilots get cross trained on other shit than just piloting and yes, they'd know how to use personal weapons to some degree for self-defense and base defense if needed.
>>23627507Do you really want to know? Okay, I'll tell youwhy. It's because of a debate I had.Me and online acquaintance were debating about how gbitch's school makes no sense as a military academy. He said I was an idiot for arguing that, because I apparently misunderstood how it was a vocational school. I said that it's a military academy, because they're teaching MS combat. He said that "even test pilots need combat training" and that nothing's forcing them to become soldiers after graduation. I scoured through the wfm novel and found a line that said some students will pursue military careers, but he then pointed out that it only said "pursue", meaning that students will independently make that choice after school. He also pointed out that the same chapter says how the school prepares students to step into worklife the moment they graduate, and they would still need extra training to become eligible to work as combat pilots because they have no basic training. Then I tried to prove that they get weapons training in the school, but he pointed out that the only students who used guns were criminals and non-criminal students were explicitly not given any guns.I then realized and told him that it didn't matter since they can still become combat pilots because they can pilot in combat, and wouldn't need to do anything but pilot MS in that job. He then gave me clips and screenshots from different Gundam shows, where pilots were using guns and fighting on ground, and told me it was a mandatory skill because they also need to fight on foot if need be. I said that it was a ridiculous thing and would make no sense in real life, and he called me a retard before ending the debate by blocking me.So that's why I have a grudge on this topic. I want to prove him wrong, and if I prove combat pilots only need to pilot, I win.
>>23627638>he called me a retard before ending the debate by blocking memy fucking sides
>>23627638...you are either a troll or a fucking retard. For the millionth time, yes. Pilots are commonly issued sidearms, and would need to qualify on their usage. You've been told this in multiple threads with in-depth explanations on /k/. The jannies need to deal with you
>>23627638>So that's why I have a grudge on this topic. I want to prove him wrong, and if I prove combat pilots only need to pilot, I win.I'm confused how does proving combat pilots only need to pilot prove that Wfm's school is both a military school and also doesn't make sense as one?Also you realize that pilots are required be able do other stuff other then pilot in real life right? Using guns and fighting on ground is an extreme example that doesn't happen 99% of the time, but there are other less extreme examples like knowing how to preflight their own aircraft and equipment, planning missions, navigating, etc.
>>23626299Why didn't Tomino let Amuro put a baby inside of her outside of the novels?
>>23627638>get owned by your friend>come here>get owned again>make several new threads on different boards>get even more owned
>>23627638I can't do like him and block you, but I can do like him and call you an irredeemably stupid retard with no understanding of how the world works. You're the kind of brainless moron who gets absolutely ass blasted that your high school taught you how to read and do arithmetic, but you autistically screech about school not teaching you how to fill out a tax form by rote. I mean this very honestly: you're stupid. Not because your opinions are wrong or you said something incorrect, but because you are pathologically incapable of learning.Herbs in all fields.
>>23627796Yes fine, at this point it has been proven that it's essential for their job, and I can't deny it even if I tried to. I just don't want to admit it, because it would mean I was wrong all along and went through all the effort to counterargue for nothing.>>23627807Because it doesn't look or feel like a military academy at all, since it has no hierarchies or discipline, students can freely go and come as they want, and they even get to find companies. That's why I thought it's badly designed if it's a military school, and I wanted to prove his defenses about the setting were nothing but pure cope.And yes, I do realize that there's a lot more to the job than just piloting. I'm not stupid.>>23627900Ignoring your insults, what do you mean? You say that you think I'm right but at the same time I'm not because I can't learn?
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>>23627638Get some help, man.
>>23627638You are wrong. Your father should have told you that sentence a lot more as a kid, maybe you wouldn't be as fucked up as you are and ruining friendships over your objectively disprovable positions. Think about that shit. You lost a fucking friend over this.
>>23627638You started two fucking threads and caused a cross-site dogpile on your stupid ass because you wanted to be mad about Witch from Mercury?I swear to god that show fucking broke some people.
>>23626299>amate gets a total of three days of training while flying from side 6 to earth>it's enough for her to save the universe
>>23628238>You say that you think I'm right but at the same time I'm not because I can't learn?He's saying if you're even right or not is immaterial to his stance about you.>Because... ...I'm not stupid.You clearly are stupid if you couldn't understand his point. He's saying that your argument is irrelevant to your actual premise. If a combat pilot only needs to know combat has nothing to do with if the school is a military school or not.I don't think you even know what you're arguing about, I think you hyper-fixated so tightly on one detail you thought you could win on you completely lost track of the actual disagreement.Why the fuck would it matter if someone that went on to join the military learned other shit at school? Do you think the army turns you down if you ever did anything other than track and field and paintball? Do you think they don't deliberately give officers a broader base than just their profession?As soon as the premise of 'it is a military school' was disproven, your entire argument no longer had a foundation.
>>23629642Just to clear things up, the guy is an online acquaintance, not a friend. Just a person I knew.>>23630654>He's saying if you're even right or not is immaterial to his stance about you.Okay, thanks for clearing that up. >I think you hyper-fixated so tightly on one detail you thought you could win on you completely lost track of the actual disagreement>As soon as the premise of 'it is a military school' was disproven, your entire argument no longer had a foundation.I need to admit that I think you are right. After thinking the whole thing over after my last post, I think I realize now that I have indeed been wrong, as much as admitting that stings. As you said, I had already been disproven ages ago. It was a vocational school and not a military one, like I initially thought, so there was nothing realistic left to even argue. Because of that, my arguments just became more pedantic and illogical. I should have accepted that I was wrong the first time anons told me that pilots do need to know how to use guns. But since it was the last argument I could think of, I put all of my chips into it. I desperately wanted to be right, even if it was like fighting windmills. Ironically, I called his arguments a cope, when it was actually me who was coping after being proven wrong. I wasted a months of my life to this topic, months which I won't get back. I still don't like gbitch or its setting, but I probably should have realized much earlier that this wasn't a hill to die on in any sensible or serious way, especially when there are better ways to criticize it.
>>23626299normal people probably 3 or 4 years like fighter pilots, newtypes, just stick a kid in the cockpit and let them have at it.
>>23627807Because that guy is a retard arguing about a retard premise to start with. He arguing himself into a dead end and is mad he can't get out lol.
>>23627638>gets proven wrong multiple times>no, it's can't be me, it's everyone else
>>23631158Have you considered that this level of out of control seething about anything is probably not a sign of a rational reaction? It doesn't seem like you dislike the show, so much as you have declared yourself the enemy of the very concept that the show exists. You shouldn't be looking for arguments to support your position on the show so much as having your position on the show flow from those thoughts.I'm sure you'll insist otherwise but your behaviour up to this point really makes me think you've gotten those backwards.
>>23631808NTA but I hate WFM so fucking much it is insane. The writer of that show and its fanbase make me white hot angry over how people can accept this level of mediocrity.
>>23631158As long as you learn from this, you're coming out ahead. Good on you.
>>23631824There are a few people that the show causes an unholy amount of seething in on here. I do not understand wasting so much energy on something you dislike, when presumably there's things you like out there.
>>23626315Fuck off dickbag.
>>23631158In case you needed some evidence just to put things to rest, here's a direct screenshot from episode 20 of G-Witch. It's a combat pilot holding a firearm to arrest one of the Grassley pilots after dismounting a Demi Garrison. The gun is not very visible due to it and the background sharing the same color, but it's there, and you can see it after zooming in. You can also see the shape of the gun move alongside the pilot in the animation.
I always thought they were thrown in with minimal training (like only simulation) at best out of necessity, and it's trial-by-fire from there. To me, it seems like pilot strength is split into 2 categories in gundam: mechanical skill and situational awareness. The newtypism typically helps with the awareness part, but the raw piloting skill is simply developed over time. I haven't seen every piece of gundam material but I can't think of any non-genetically modified pilots that are instantly amazing.
>>23636023The security forces with proper combat training and proper military mobile suits kicking the ass of the hotshot students is also treated as such an obvious outcome that it's barely even shown on-screen. I always really liked that.
>>23626315Blow it outta your ass
>>23627638>I scoured through the wfm novel and found a lineyeah now this is the part of the post you just know it is going to get fucking good
>>23636023I dunno, he could also just be holding handcuffs.
>>23639532There's literally a gun hiding in that compressed to shit screenshot anon.
>>23639582I was literally just joking, since the way his arms are makes it very obvious he's holding a gun.
>>23639618Oh. Given how autistic someone in this thread has gotten before, I honestly wasn't sure.
>>23627638>I scoured through the wfm novel and found a line that said some students will pursue military careersI assume that you're referring to the light novels found on the /u/ thread mega? Is this the line you mean by any chance?>“Mobile heavy machinery” refers to a combination of mobile suits and mobile crafts. Even students who don’t pursue military careers need to grasp this concept.The entire volume is MTL translated, so I think you misunderstood the point of the quote. For context, this line is referring to Suletta's exam seen in episode 4 (pic related), which clearly has nothing to do with military matters in any meaningful way. The sentence is just saying that the concept is universally important for all students regardless of their personal career goals. Even if you took this sentence as "proof" of anything, it would only be evidence for what your friend already stated. Some students, like Guel, would have pursued military careers after school, while others (if not most) wouldn't. More than likely the reason why it's even mentioning "military careers" here is because readers might assume the concept was only referring to military mobile suits despite the fact it's also talking about civilian vehicles.Your friend is absolutely right about this, just like he is right about the next line you mentioned being part of his counterargument.>Asticassia School of Technology, run by the Benerit Group, placed a strong emphasis on practical training, designed so that graduates could seamlessly transition into the workforce.Just think about it. If the school was indeed planning on creating soldiers like military pilots, it would have included some kind of basic military training in the curriculum. Since it did not, it's rather evident that the school is only intending to create civilian professionals. Students can use the skills they learn to pursue military careers, but they would absolutely need way more training before becoming actual soldiers.
>>23639744Eh, you do know that it still says that some students will be pursuing military careers, and it's clearly saying that the concept is meant for military use. Civilian career pursuers just need to study it since it's mandatory.>it would only be evidence for what your friend already statedBut it does say that they will pursue military careers, so it doesn't matter.>it would have included some kind of basic military training in the curriculumMaybe there was but we never saw it? You can't say there wasn't.
MS Era's rows of cadets on folding chairs (with Chris) makes me think of the Indian Air Force doing basic instrument training with paper stuck to a wall that looks like the displaywhich to be fair is how I learned the fundamentals of light craft so I'm not outright shitting on it
>>23626649At least in UC they've always says the computer does most of the work. The pilot is just vibe-piloting and telling the AI what to do.
>>23641821>The pilot is just vibe-piloting and telling the AI what to do.it really eats it when fiction I like turns into reality I hate
>>23641827It's already done in manufacturing. Humans are obsolete.
>>23641821Makes sense. An AI would be good at handling all the busywork but needs someone with actual critical thinking skills to direct it.
>>23641821>>23641827Average MS isn't Ex-S Gundam you sillies
>>23641771Let me break this down to you, you sperg:>it still says that some students will be pursuing military careersFirst off, just because some students might pursue military careers, it doesn't mean that the school is specifically preparing them for it. The lorebook, for example, mentions that students are free to specialize and pursue any career path. Second, the sentence is very clearly intended to comment on the concept, not the school. Third, the only thing it implies is that "some" students pursue military careers. The key word here being "pursue".>it's clearly saying that the concept is meant for military useIt's the opposite. The first sentence clearly tells us that the concept includes both civilian and military vehicles. The second sentence very specifically states that all students need to learn about it due to its civilian importance. Also, just look at the exam questions. It's incredibly difficult to think of them relating to military careers in any fashion, when the questions only deal with R&D and manufacturing. This is more than likely the point of the sentence here, because any other interpretation would ultimately make very little sense.>Civilian career pursuers just need to study it since it's mandatory.No, they don't need to learn about it just because it's mandatory. They need to learn about it, because it's essential for their jobs. The English word used here is "grasp", which refers to how students don't just have to study the concept, they also need to understand and internalize it. In other words, the sentence is emphasizing the crucial importance of the concept for all. That's why the exam questions were clearly about civilian topics. It's not a military concept, only mandatory because the school intends to create soldiers. It's an universally important industrial concept in the setting, which all professions need in their work.
>>23641771>>23642742>But it does say that they will pursue military careers, so it doesn't matter. It only says that some students will pursue military careers while others won't. It's not saying how many will pursue either military or civilian careers, nor is it saying that civilian careers are an exception to the rule. It's simply saying that some students will choose to pursue a certain career after they graduate, just like in every other educational institution. The school offers skills and knowledge that are useful in both civilian and military careers, so it's obvious you have some students wishing to pursue the latter after graduation. Even if Asticassia doesn't specifically prepare them for the military, they will still gain crucial and essential education to pursue military careers once they graduate. And again, it's only saying that the concept is essential to all students, regardless of their career wishes.>Maybe there was but we never saw it? You can't say there wasn't.If there was, it would have been a voluntary module at best. The lorebook has a list of all the mandatory modules each department has, and it doesn't mention any modules that contains basic training. As your friend said, no normal student is ever given a gun at any point of the show, not even for the final battle. The only students to use a gun were all shady individuals. Two were involved in a government-level conspiracy, and third was a corporate spy. This alone should already prove that there's no module like that in the school. So yes, I can very confidently say that there was no basic training available at the school, because there's direct evidence against it.
>>23642742>>23641771Don't forget that this is a setting that clearly treats combat and non-combat mobile suit use as having a lot of transferrable skill overlap. Suletta comes in with a wealth of experience but it's all SAR, and we see that it still enables her to fight at a very high level, even in the unfamiliar Calibarn at the end. That would tend to imply that combat training, in turn, is largely applicable to other uses for mobile suits.I think it's reasonable to assume that mobile suit combat training is seen as a way to teach a wide range of skills for operating their suits towards the limits of their performance and in unpredictable, unsafe situations. It's probably a more engaging way to teach it to the type of person that wants to become a pilot too, even if they don't actually plan on becoming military or mercenary pilots.It's also worth noting that we really don't see any 'proper' military training going on. They're not being instructed on operating as part of a fireteam, small unit tactics, how to engage an asymmetric threat, how to do robo-MOUT, so on. Learning to shoot a gun doesn't immediately make you into a soldier. Learning how to duel in a mobile suit doesn't instantly make you a combat-ready military pilot.>Maybe there was but we never saw it? You can't say there wasn't.Maybe Amuro appeared in Ad Stella after Axis Shock and he was there out of frame in the Nu the entire time, but we never saw it. You can't say he wasn't.
>>23628866that's not how you perform cpr. Is Sayla really a medically trained professional?
>>23642776Piloting students do seem to receive rather ample amount of combat training, and they have two modules titled "tactical training exercises". The first one specifies that it's conducted with Mobile Suits, while the second specifies that it already skips to "large-scale combat exercises". However, as is obvious, they both only include skills related to piloting and physical exercise (which technically is a piloting skill). If I had to guess, the first module is all about the basics of MS piloting, and it's mainly conducted on campus grounds (as we see on the show). Besides some basic combat exercises, it also seems to include civilian industrial tools, and physical exercise. The second module is more than likely combat oriented, meant to teach students how to apply their skills and push them to their limits in various exercises. I believe that this is the module, which mainly uses the various "tactical test areas" of the school. It probably includes fighting as a team and against a team, various use and application of weapons against other types of weapons, and the like. Even if it sounds like a lot, there's actually a very good reason for them to receive so much combat training. Both the lorebook and the school brochure in episode 14 (also found on one of the BDs in Japanese) mention that the intention of piloting department is to "create high-grade pilots, that can take part in development projects and provide instructional training to ordinary pilots". In other words, the school is creating civilian test pilots and instructors for mobile suits and mobile crafts, professionals who naturally need to possess a large amount of experience and skills. When you think about it, this also ties to Suletta's dream of finding a school on Mercury. The fact that she's capable of working as a pilot instructor after graduation means that she probably wants to find a MS&MC pilot school.
>>23642776>>23645315Moreover, the fact that the epilogue's school is still operating with all its courses intact kind of proves that it was indeed just a vocational school. The official art for those new training mobile suits even shows that they have guns and shields, which means that the school is still giving tactical training for the students. So either the school is indeed just meant for training test pilots, instructors, and the like, or Guel is building a private army for himself, which I find very unlikely.
>>23626299>>0083 mentions Kou and Keith going through a Federation military academy, meaning it probably took about a year for him to become a military test pilot.What is the age of enlistment for the Federation forces in peacetime? It must be 18, right? If not, Kou might have enlisted at the age of 17.
>>23636023Why do they bother with ugly post processing when modern stuff could look soulful without much effort?
>>23626299A lot of it probably depends on the individual, but at least in UC, a lot of that is helped along by AMBAC especially for the feddies, whose mobile suits are programmed with Amuro's precanned movement data from the One Year War. I imagine it also gets easier in settings which have man-machine interfaces that help translate thoughts into inputs, like 00 Gundams via Veda, G-Witch with its midichlorians, etc.
>>23645315>the school is creating civilian test pilots and instructors for mobile suits and mobile craftsYou do know that these professions are still military jobs, right? They're not exactly civilians... The corporations might be creating soldiers that they can also use as instructors and test pilots.
Applying Lived Experience And Real-World Findings to An Unrealistic Universe Answer:It depends very heavily on the individual trainee's natural aptitude, the rigor and structure of the training program and the instructors' ability to pass on their real-world experience (if they have any) to their trainees effectively.If it's someone thrown into the thick of it sink-or-swim style like a lot of Gundam protagonists...you'd be very surprised at how much you can do and how fast you can learn on the job when you really have to.
>>23651456>Civilian test pilot/instructor>Military jobThe clue is in the fucking name, retard.
>>23651456All test pilots and instructors were civilians in G-Witch. Suletta, Chuchu, Elans 4 and 5, and Prospera were all civilians who worked as test pilots. The school teachers, as far as I know, were civilians as well. Considering there are over 150 members in Benerit with probably hundreds of subsidiaries, alongside dozens of technological institutions, rival corporations and conglomerates, and armed and civilian organizations, there is a lot of need for skilled MS pilots that are also adept in technological development and training new pilots. That's why Benerit had a school for it, and it's also why the school outlasted its original sponsors in the epilogue. Test pilots and instructors are very commonly civilians even in the real world. They very commonly work for weapons manufacturers, since they need skilled pilots to take part in the development of new models and training their customers to use their products. Even armed forces hire civilians as test pilots and instructors.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Test_Pilot_Schoolhttps://itpscanada.com/civil-test-training/https://skiesmag.com/news/testpilottalk/https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/group/careers/our-professions/flight-tests/https://robbreport.com.sg/dassault-chief-test-pilot-philippe-duchateau-interview/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_M._Johnstonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Henshawhttps://afciviliancareers.com/pilot/https://www.raf.mod.uk/aircadets/volunteers1/why-join-as-a-volunteer/https://www.ex-mil.co.uk/vacancies/6987/qualified-flying-instructorhttps://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/capabilities/sikorsky/sikorsky-training-academy/trainers.htmlhttps://www.lockheedmartinjobs.com/job/orlando/contract-instructor-pilot-f-35-rovaniemi-finland/694/85785103680https://www.lockheedmartinjobs.com/job/fort-worth/f-35-test-pilot-level-5/694/88865754608
>>23651488>>23651697Yes, but remember, these are fictional corporations with armies or at least security forces. We don't know if their instructors and test pilots are civilians or not, since they're usually military in real life. The quote here even says >>23639744 that students pursuing military careers need to also grasp the concept, and it's only "even" civilians who need to grasp it. The questions on the test were related to manufacturing and development. So maybe they're training new corporate combat pilots for their security who can also work as test pilots and instructors in their mean time.>Suletta, Chuchu, Elans 4 and 5, and Prospera Prospera was working for a medical institution originally and it was 20 years in the past... Things may have changed. Suletta and Chuchu were also working for a medical company, which makes them exceptions to the rule. Elan clones were secret test pilots, nobody knew what they actually did. Not very strong evidence...
>>23653160>If I ignore the entire text and substitute my own imagination, it means something differentJust take the L.
>>23653160There is no evidence for anything you claim. There is no implication about them explicitly being military professions, and the idea is nonexistent as a narrative point in the story. Your only evidence for it is a literal "maybe", which you can only support by interpreting one paragraph in the novel in a very certain way, even though the same paragraph is evidence to the contrary. The sentence very clearly makes a difference between civilian and military careers. Suletta, whose exam was being discussed in the scene, famously wanted to pursue a civilian career. The same Suletta later works as a civilian test pilot. As I said before, the paragraph very obviously only meant that the same engineering principles matter to both soldiers and civilians. It wasn't commenting anything on the exam sheet itself, just the concept as an entity. On the contrary, there is evidence for corporations using civilian test pilots and instructors, even if you tried to discredit it. Prospera was a test pilot for military mobile suits, and she worked for a weapons manufacturer. It doesn't matter what they originally developed, because they were developing military MS by the prologue. Moreover, I don't think there was ever a plot point about the nature of test piloting changing. Suletta and Chuchu were both piloting students, and it was made very clear early on that they wanted to only pursue civilian careers. There is absolutely no reason to think of them as an exception to the rule, when they still need the same essential skills and knowledge as other test pilots do, especially when they're working with mobile suits and mobile crafts. Despite their secret, 4 and 5 were still working as Peil's test pilots as civilians. The fact that they did so already proves that there is no inherent problem for civilians to work as test pilots for Benerit's corporations.The one student who did want to pursue a military job, Guel, wanted to be a combat pilot.
>>23653160Since you seem so fixated on this one sentence, shall we have a look at what other things the author of the light novel wrote? If he indeed meant that only military pilots could act as test pilots for the corporations, why would he also write a story, where Suletta is working as a test pilot with a civilian test pilot from another corporation? >"This is the 'Witalliqus,' the latest from Langlands, developed in collaboration with Jeturk Heavy Machinery. [...] "Starting our own development from scratch was a bit too challenging.">As chief technology officer of the Langlands Corporation, Yushura was well-versed in a wide array of technologies.>Out of nowhere, Chain's voice boomed from the second-floor corridor, having moved there unnoticed, "Chief Yushura, can we trust you as the test pilot?" "Absolutely! Without a doubt!" Yushura affirmed, her confidence unwavering.>──Mars it is. Yaya, send us the coordinates." "Yes, m’lady." ──Remember, Yaya, I'm acting as Chief Technical Officer at the moment.The literal Chief Technology Officer of a Benerit Corporation, involved in the development and production of mobile suits, has training as a test pilot, and is clearly doing test pilot work as part of her profession. >Source: https://www.zeonic-republic.net/translation/[ZeonicScanlations]_Witch_from_Mercury_OriginalEpisode-03.pdf
>>23626299Take a cdl or forklift class and tell me how long it takes for you
>>23660680hello saar friend my cdl very yes good many izzat
>>23660682Did an Indian truck driver fuck your wife? What the hell is wrong with you?
>>23626299I really really wanna lick Sayla's sweaty skin under that suit.
>>23653639Guel also seemed extremely unprepared for the realities of war when he found himself in the middle of them.Multiple times in the show, we are clearly shown Suletta acting in accordance with her search-and-rescue training and experience. Her initial meeting with Miorine is a result of her confidently going out on her own rather than wait for help, she's incredibly precise in her maneuvering to match velocity and cup behind the person to reduce risk of injury, and knows how to jettison their extended life support for safer handling into a cockpit, and executes it all with the smoothness of an experienced operator.Later after Sophie Gunds out, they go out of their way to show Suletta physically bracing the two suits together and using special equipment for an untethered EVA, and having no trouble accessing an unfamiliar mobile suit.After the school shooting she goes into rescue mode too, even without a mobile suit.Suletta's SAR experience is never mentioned on-screen, but it's in the tie-in novels and her on-screen behaviour was clearly written to reflect it.If Guel was training as a military pilot I don't doubt for a second that the show would've found a way to infer or imply it through his behaviour. The first time he's in real combat he completely loses his shit, the second time he's barely functional, the third he acts and fights no differently than any other student we've seen.Same goes for the other pilots. Surely if they were receiving something resembling proper military training they'd bring it up during the school shooting. Instead nothing, not even while Felsi and Chuchu are trying to fend off the drones and it'd really be a good time to bring it up.>>23653160I regret mentioning that you fucked up as soon as the nature of the school was established, because instead of admitting defeat you've just tried to duct tape your bullshit back together. You really seem incapable of grasping beyond the literal.
>>23626588>I'm pretty sure real life pilot schools within the air force take around 4 years to complete, but they include miscelaneous military topics like doctrine and whatnot.Real life flight training doesn't actually take that long to complete and during major wars like WWII flight school gets trimmed down and flight hour requirements are significantly lessened in order to get more pilots out the door.training tank crews are also pretty short with training for the most part complete in about 4 to 6 months.
>>23664312Also take in the fact that in the final battle Kenanji, a professional soldier, is ready to offer a gun only to Belmeria, whom he knows has training with a weapon despite her being a civilian. If the students were future soldiers, he'd have offered a gun at least to Chuchu and Number 5.
>>23660680My cdl class was a 4 week stint. >1 week learn from home: 28 power points knocked out in 2 days, with 10 question quizzes where 1/3 of the right answers are marked wrong.>3 weeks of pretrip and driving>30 seconds of learning to fudge your log paperwork, 30 seconds of operating hoursTeach liked to gloat about his 97% pass rate, which isnt surprising when all you learn is how to pass the practical. Doesnt help when 44% of accredited schools and programs are non compliant, some of em even get you a class a in a couple of days and turn you loose.
>>23626299Just posting Sayla
>>23667508>Doesnt help when 44% of accredited schools and programs are non compliant, some of em even get you a class a in a couple of days and turn you loose.You don't say, given the recent rise in truck drivers wrecking out catastrophically all over the US.
>>23648821Given that they're both very young but officers and pilots I'm guessing they went to the Federation's equivalent of West Point or Annapolis at 17 or 18 right out of high school in 0079, did their initial training/were commissioned as part of that and then did pilot training right after which probably took a year or a little more.This would give a reasonable timeline for them to be where they are by 0083 assuming they both started training in 0079 or right before.
>>23671742The fastest route for an American high school graduate to become a Naval pilot in WW2 would be the V-5 or V-12A college programs for about 16-18 months, followed by flight training for 7-9 months. Maybe the Gundam jocks left high school at 17 and joined the fleet at 19.
>>23672977Probably something like that given that you can enlist in the modern-day US military at 17 with parental permission and they joined during wartime where the Federation probably needed all the MS pilots they could get so they probably went through an abbreviated training program like the WW2 ones you mentioned.
>>23671739Theres a multitude of factors that go into that too, shifty schools are only a part of it. Language barriers, distracted/risky driving, over reliance on driver aids, lack of maitenance, and regular drivers doing the same shit too. Next time youre out, just look and try to count how many knobs are driving with their heads down. DOT has been having a field day in my area, throwing OOS left n right.As far as MS training goes, I would think that by mid to late OYW both sides had accelerated programs just to get bodies on the front, not unlike pilots in WW1. Just enough time to get the barest basics before youre off to the grinder.Specialized training and schooling came later, more akin to flight schools in WW2, and carrying on to more advanced stuff like the old TOPGUN program.
