i dont see any BattleTech threads here so lets have one
>>23640654What do you want to say about it? Is it about ER PPCs?
Did you even look, fucktard?
>>23640679there arent any
>>23640675That’s a funny way to spell Gauss dracuntus cuntbine scum
atlas posting
>>23640654i'll say it. battletech has some of the worst mecha designs in all of mecha. they look like what you'd get if you aske a 5 year old to draw a robot.
>>23644728It has some of the worst, but also some of the best. The quality is all over the place.
>>23644746thats what i like about it. the fact that there is so much diversity in designs. everyone can have their own favorites
>>23644746All the good designs come from somewhere else
>>23644728>>23644746robot crab best crab
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>>23640654Is that PC game from a while back worth getting? I remember /v/ had melties over it being SJW or some shit but I didn't have a PC good enough to run it back then and running my own squadron seems fun.
>>23648436IIRC people were mostly screaming because you could choose between he/she/they and every character just calls you commander anyway. Game seems alright.
>>23645767False. I live this big goober like you wouldn't believe.
>>23648528Look at him, with his big eye and his little hat and his backpack full of dreams. Such a cute fella.
>>23648539He's a big boy, but he needs protection from the evils of this world. He does his best to be the most helpful he can, using his fancy computer to coordinate battles. He watches the fight with his one wide eye, ocasionally sending out some emotiinal support LRMs, waiting for the chance to show his big AC/20 even though he's shy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJifhsqc18GENTLEMAN, ITS CLOSE!
>>23648528Anon, even that is traced over a Destroid Spartan. It's like how the Panther and Victor are both from one piece of VF-1A box art.
>>23648418King Crab made me fall in love with autocannons for the first time.It and Annihilator taught me to love, fear and respect the ability to point at something and say "fuck that guy in particular."
>>23640654Dude:>>23636106>>23637330BOTH have a god damn Atlas as the OP pic!>>23649452>It and Annihilator taught me to love, fear and respect the ability to point at something and say "fuck that guy in particular."Anni my beloved!
>>23649364>Destroid SpartanYou're thinking of the Archer. The Cyclops may share visual similarities, but a trace over? You're reaching.
>>23648418Extremely overrated. Go with the Regent. It lacks the second but Clan LBX-20s are nothing to sneeze at.
>>23649523neither of those threads are focused on battletech
>>23649609Even the fingers are in the same pose. The antenna is just where the laser turret was too.
>>23649364Oh wow, yeah the panther's totally traced over. I can understand using the designs exactly, you paid for them, but this feels a bit weird. All this and the scopedog atlas is a bit much.>>23649609He's got a point, though its mostly just the arms and general facing. Even outside of the original set, you can see the same arms and legs popping up repeatedly.As an aside I was looking at some old reviews for the original release of battletech. I wanted to know what peoples responses were to it in general. And it's funny, all the way back then people were saying this was "totally different to anime, it's about humans at war, not transforming robots fighting aliens" and it really goes to show how much of the entire worldview was shaped by only having robotech to compare. They literally just watched robotech and then saw battletech and nodded and decided for the next forty years, these would be the two sole points of reference. Anime is when you transform and your boyfriend is a pilot, but battletech is when it's cool and serious.
I'm still baffled that Srungle and the Trekkers were never "adapted" into Battlemechs.
>>23648418marauder 2 is just a better version of king crab
>>23651819They adapted Zoids, so never say never
>>23640654I GOT WHERE I AM TODAY THROUGH VIOLENCEIM THANKFUL FOR ITMY IMPULSIVE NATURE CAUSES CONFLICT AT ANY GIVEN TIMEI HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY CONSUMED BY ANGER, JEALOUSLY, ENVY AND LUSTI CAN'T HELP BUT FLY INTO A VIOLENT TRANCE AT THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF CRISTISICM OR PUSHBACK
bringing an absolute sicko clan list with pulse jump boats and a dasher H carrying elementals tonighti am the worst
>>23651771Guys, this is all settled already.We use legally distinct designs now, even if some of those designs still look incredibly on the nose about their sources.I mean, who doesn't enjoy pretending they're playing a Dougram game once in a while?
>>23655292pretending?
https://youtu.be/aQ5fotIT8Z4?si=LSDSKYIDEMHg0seI
>>23655338Ok, gleefully embracing.
>>23640654My only exposure to it was that steam game that I remember being pretty good. Though I do remember there being a design flaw in the farming for parts/money skirmishes, in that only one type was worth doing because all the others were giant time sinks for basically the same rewards
>>23648542He’s great and I too love him
Are battlemechs actually agile enough to use their hands to grapple in combat? I always thought they were a utilitarian addition so a mech can (carefully) use their hands to help with recovery and maybe even fortification.
>>23656517Many of them are fully able to slap, bash and clenched fist punch one another in expanded lore. Most of them with hands have fully articulate fingers.
>>23656517Battlemechs can play football.
>>23656533Punching is a given, but I'm curious if they have fine enough manipulation to actually wrestle with another mech.
>>23656539>>23656540>Punching is a given, but I'm curious if they have fine enough manipulation to actually wrestle with another mech.Buddy Mechs can BALLROOM Dance!Look up the Noisiel Summer Games.
>>23656517They can punch and kick but I believe the intent in crunch and fluff is that it trends towards the ugliest kind of street fighting brawl in practice.Pacific Rim isn't far off, is what I want to say.
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>>23656540Any battlemech with hand actuators is capable of about as much dexterity as the pilot, though that requires either unlocking the HOTAS axes or donning waldo gloves in the cockpit. There are grapple rules in the wargame, but in melee it's usually just more efficient to spam kicks.
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>>23657201I had one of these years ago. I forget which one.
>>23654465after ilclan era it will be time for the Rise of the Protomechs. mark my words
>>23657015>Pacific Rim isn't far off, is what I want to say.That's average, good Mechjocks can easily pull of Titanfall style movement, which show you how fucking terrifying even an Urban Mech could be.
>>23657251>good Mechjocks can easily pull of Titanfall style movementYou mean like the jet dashing, sword swings etc?Hmm i don't know...
>>23657251Urbanmechs are canonically slow plodding trashcans that are meant to excel in the environment they're named for, don't let the memes fool you.They aren't going to wrassle you, they're going to point a big gun at you and watch you make an ass of yourself trying to maneuver through a concrete jungle. Which to be fair should still put the fear of god in you one way or another, but there's a reason they call them Urbanmechs... though, I do appreciate the sick twisted fucks at PGI who felt the need to make that one Urbie variant in 5mercs, the turbo speedy Solaris trap job that has no business being as fast as it is.
>>23657251Urbies are cute
>>23656540We need a canonized example of an Atlas or Charger wishboning a locust.
>>23657443They're not even that good at urban fighting. Their jump is short so they can really only hop one block at a time, and they don't have any real anti-infantry weapons so they're ironically really susceptible to ambushes by cheaper and more available/expendable units. It's like they were designed to look like shit, then turn out to be almost good at urban combat, but then also secretly be a really weak again.
>>23657443>They aren't going to wrassle youGrappling no, but you don't need arms to tackle, and while 30 tons of trashcan at 15 MPH is "Lumbering" for a Mech, that's still far faster than most people in full sprint.
>>23657251No mechwarrior skilled enough to make an Urbanmech not be a useless piece of shit is ever going to be assigned to one.
>>23658309>No mechwarrior skilled enough to make an Urbanmech not be a useless piece of shit is ever going to be assigned to one.You say that as if they always have a choice in the matter...
>>23657940Small laser is plenty enough anti-infantry, and I have yet to meet man who can survive getting stepped on.
>>23657940Is the 360 torso twist official rules? That'd give it a little benefit for shoot and scoot.
>>23660207Gameplay balance issues, small lasers don't have the anti-infantry rule. They can only be fired at one individual soldier per turn. Even when they're outright said to have been put on the mech for anti-infantry purposes lol>>23660207It's a quirk, so it has rules. It's pretty good, helps with their shitty movement, but jumping lets you ignore facing anyway.
>>23660215Ok but if you want to bring up game balance issues we should talk about how sometimes conventional arms just shit on mechs and that the game is meant to be understood as an abstraction built for fun.Admittedly, lore is also kinda guilty of its own embellishments for the sake of storytelling, but if I dig up a TRO I'm pretty sure the intent is that despite what the record sheets and rulebooks would indicate, Urbanmech doesn't fuck around in the streets....except this isn't the TRO I'm looking for, this is an ilClan era look at the Urb, I seem to have misplaced my Succ Wars volume.
>>23640654Just wanna take this moment to point out that General Motors still exists in BT and is one of the FedSuns' BattleMech manufacturers.There is a non-zero chance that there's some Davion motherfucker out there 3 space coors in inside a 3025 Chevy Silverado driving at thrice the speed limit on a school zone.
>>23660426I'll do you one better:The Black Watch is a real thing that exists, not just a made up regiment of total unkillable badasses
>>23660426>3025 Chevy SilveradoLIKE A ROCK!
Woofs of Tukkayid is GoodFocht is a coward with No Honor who only succeeded in prolonging suffering and war in the inner sphere
>>23660398I just mean that the urbanmech is a piece of shit in canon, on the board, in the game, etc. The caveat that it works for cityfighting is preceded by people inventing conspiracy theories as to why anyone would make it at all. I could give it the cruddiest bronze medal for being the cheapest mech to operate in the densest, most protective terrain where it doesn't need to move much or hopefully do anything.>sometimes conventional arms just shit on mechs That's 9 times out of 10 specifically bringing the cheapest units to flood the board because the games regular initiative system sucks ass and was only designed to handle the same amounts of units on each side.
>>23660472If you can't handle the Succ, stay out of the Sphere fuckos.
>>23660472>go to war>plainly tell your enemy where you're going to attack and with what forces>ask them what forces are they gonna use in their attack>get surprised when the enemy lies about itlook anon i love the clan mechs as much as the next guy but we just gotta accept most clanners aren't particularly bright
>>23660477The Urbie really only made sense in that way Battletech is designed to be a computer game first and table top second. Lord knows every game that features them loves spawning them in just to wear down your HP.
>>23658126I uhhh Anon 15mph isn't faster than most fit people can sprint
>>23662211>most fit peopleAgain, that most people can sprint!
>>23661777>Battletech is designed to be a computer game first and table top second.Would've gotten all the cool shit from the TTG in the vidya first if that was the case.
>>23661777pgi would go bankrupt from trying to code the physics of an urbie LAM
>>23651771>As an aside I was looking at some old reviews for the original release of battletech. I wanted to know what peoples responses were to it in general. And it's funny, all the way back then people were saying this was "totally different to anime, it's about humans at war, not transforming robots fighting aliens" and it really goes to show how much of the entire worldview was shaped by only having robotech to compare. They literally just watched robotech and then saw battletech and nodded and decided for the next forty years, these would be the two sole points of reference. Anime is when you transform and your boyfriend is a pilot, but battletech is when it's cool and serious.Weren't LAMs in the first edition already?
>>23662224Not with that attitude.
I love the crusader but I would never ever ever use it because the variants suck ass. Except the 2R but we're not allowed to have nice things
>>23663384I don't think so.
JPtech twatter has some real gold.
>>23648418Classic BANE is my designated autocannonfu
>be clanner scum>brag about honor shit>bring a mech that relies on outranging shitters>be surprised when said shitters use actually their brain, power of industry and logisticsClanners, especially smoked pussies deserve their assess beaten.
>>23665949Ah go wreck your entire industrial and technological infrastructure to where you’re beating each other with wrenchs spheroid trash
Extremely important request. Does anyone have that edit of the meme where the guy doesn't feel safe because Clanners could be here as 5 c bill wine pumped through his veins.I need it.
>myomer>cannot be used in a wheeled or tracked platformWhy not? All it needs to do is contract and relax and that's what muscles do anyway.
>>23669265Pretty sure myomer suspension is used on a few of the larger combat vehicles. I think its just fluff though.
>>23669265>>23669283My take on it is that Myomer makes a great/responsive linear motor, but the same material science that makes it possible also enables stupidly efficient rotary electric motors.A big issue with robotics is often that various types of motive system have their own particular bugbears that makes imitating organic muscle difficult.
>>23669265Yes and you're going to put artificial musculature in a wheeled platform where, exactly?The bigger thing is that myomer was a creation of the old Terran Hegemony, who were big on technological supremacy to compensate for how small they were pre-SLDF. They'd never be content with conventional applications, at some point someone realized they could make giant robots far more viable an idea with the stuff, leading to the industrialmech, which would then inspire the idea of the purpose built battlemech as a concept, birthing the Mackie and turning all of the Inner Sphere into /m/.
>>23669659>>23669510Say you can drive the camshaft or whatever with it, but so what? Is that a technological revolution? The camshaft spins really really fast? Like maybe not all technology is as revolutionary if you aren't going to make any accommodations to flex it. Maybe if you invent the thing that makes limbs insanely cheap and tough and reliable, you should put some limbs on some stuff while you're at it.I'm fine with tanks with big beefy arms on them.
>>23669706>I'm fine with tanks with big beefy arms on them.Honestly one of the best i/m/plementations for the modern battlefield.
>>23649354what is that? it looks like a clanner shadowhawk.
>>23672044Shadow Hawk IIC is now at MWO and MW5Clans and Mercs>>23651769>>23651771The Cyclops nowadays looks more like Shockwave with a Atlas II chest than a macross traced design these days.
New totally not mechwarrior and earthsiege on the horizonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTWvbrpjYNc
>>23664974Speaking of JP Battletech, I'm curious. Did the first editions also get published there? If so, how did they get around the Unseen's designs? I mean, I don't think Tatsunoko would like to see, say, a straight up VF-1S on this brand new foreign tabletop game brand, for example.
>>23673338It was launched from the get go with the designs made by Studio Nue, the closest you'll get to the unseen designs is from the JP version of Mechwarrior 1 that was spruced up and released on PC-98 and the X68K. These designs went on to be used as the original batch of IIC mechs though the Battlemaster design became the Griffin IIC for whatever reasons.
>>23669265Heat and safety issues, mostly. Putting myomers in long, thin limbs lets them vent the incredible amounts of heat they produce more easily than cramming them into a box where they would also take up room from the crew of a tank and potentially threaten said crew with even more frequent TPK results on a hit because the myomers are all live wires with body-frying amounts of current going through them.The real mystery is why there are no underwater units or underwater motive systems that rely on copying snake, fish, or whale locomotion. GURPS Vehicles and Robots lead me to understand that they would work amazingly for that, on par with a powerful screw propeller but potentially much quieter, especially if you have armor with dimpled surface patterns.
>>23673353this game is in desperate need of a translation project, is literally the definitive edition of Mech1
>>23675385>>23673353Well if you're looking for the art I've got a good place for you to gohttps://fondationdraco.fr/category/battletech/battletech-au-japon/
>>23649354WAAAACHAAAAAA!
>>23678027I'd have painted the top of the cockpit red and named it Urbie, the Red-Topped UrbanMech.
>>23651769>>23649364>>23651771I think the most disappointing thing was Duane Loose having a fresh interview in the new TRO 3025 and not coming clean on the silhouette tracing/etc. Would have been a real bold move, instead he just fellates himself and his hard work designing all these now classic robots. To be fair, some of his designs are unique, but he had his chance to be more honest about his early work.
>>23678097"Good Artist Copy, Great Artist Steal..."
so which of these games are actually fun to play
>>23678097I can't hate the guy. I have a lot of complaints, from the tracing to the over detailing to the "hips can just be obscured off-camera", but he's like if you got some spaceship art guy in the 80's and paid him $50 in pure boomer gold to draw mechs. Of course he's gonna say yes. And of course they wont hold up.That he's self aware about it but not enough to admit the straight tracing makes it messy enough that I'm willing to treat him like anyone who drew robotech comics. It's not his fault, he's not a bad guy for it, it was an era of deadlines and expectations no one would check, but I'm also pretty happy to just move on and not re-litigate.
>>23680302With videogames, try Mechwarrior 5 Mercenaries if you enjoy a mech simulation sandbox, different paid to beat up factions and loot their shit.Battletech 2018 is a turn base strategy game where there's a "story" with a sandbox getting paid to beat up different factions and loot their shit.
>>236807305 is unreasonably difficult with many mission objectives being flat-out impossible
>>23681280I just take the kill the target missionswait for the enemies and kill them all missionsdefend the area by killing everyone missionsarena aka kill everyone missionsIt's easier to get more loot and profit that way than doing retarded shit like beachhead or raid. Don't work hard, work smart.
>>23673231I was just about to post this, good thing I checked to see if someone else did haha. But I saw Microprose on there, man, that's a blast from the past. Aren't they most known for the original old-school XCOM back in the day? I had almost forgotten about them.
>>23680302Why, the latest game that was just announced of course
>>23681597Between missions I don't want, tonnage restrictions, mission difficulty, and faction choices, there's frequently only ever one or two missions in an entire area that are worth playing. Kind of wish there was a setting to just disable missions against your preferred factions appearing.
>>23682316I was just thinking this, but unironically I'd love to see a map-painting, grand strategy Battletech game. The idea would be to play as Kurita, Liao, Steiner, the Federated Suns, etc. (maybe even a minor Periphery faction) and unite the Inner Sphere over a series of generations before the Clans invade (which would be the time limit). Battles would be fought using the strategy game engine for pic related, and you could make alliances or vassalize other factions, with the obejctive being to vassalize or ally with the majority of the Inner Sphere.
MW5 is legit one of the worst games i've ever played. Every system is so tremendously hostile to the player it's staggering. The mission design is literally just endless waves of enemies.
>>23678103An excellent slogan.
is this going to be better than MW?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTWvbrpjYNc
>>23682809Shoot legs early game you dingus.
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>>23684045I haven't watched gameplay footage, but it looks like it captures the essence of the old MW4 multi-player. Where formations and tactics can actually be used instead of just staying in a group and rotato potato in MWO.
>>23684124The Mechwarrior threat evaluation flow chart:>is it a Hunchback?>y: SHOOT THE TORSO>n:>>are you piloting an assault?>n: shoot the legs>y:>>do you have autocannons?>y: aim for the cockpit>n: shoot the legs
