>its an evangelion clone>unlike most mecha anime this series focuses on the characters>this is deconstruction of the mecha genre >Gurren Lagann invented drill attacks!>Transformer *picture of a Gundam*Why do be people like this? Not a rhetorical question fucking explain these phenomenons to me.
blame Voltron
>>23649076I wanted the dinosaur voltron toy so fucking bad.
>>23649025People view mecha genre as nothing more than toy robots for toddlers. There's only a couple of titles that general public accepted and they don't have a point of reference outside of em. It's not that hard to figure out, OP.
>>23649025Putting aside the damaged reputation that the 80s did in the West to any media designed to be a toy advertisement, I think a lot of the Western disregarding of mecha stuff is because a ton of people just chase whatever is trendy so disregarding a genre where the bulk of its content is older and more niche lets them act like experts while not needing to engage with the genre.Like look at how people talk about Madoka with respect to mahou shoujo series, they might have categorically never seen a normal mahou shoujo but act as though they know what the genre is like simply via osmosis.
>>23649025>its an evangelion cloneonly watched evangelion and one or two other mecha anime, has no other point of comparison or knowledge of the origin of the genre tropes>unlike most mecha anime this series focuses on the charactershas watched almost no mecha so they think every other one must be like transformers>this is deconstruction of the mecha genre embarrassed to say they like a mecha anime because they view the genre as low art (like transformers)>Gurren Lagann invented drill attacks!see above>Transformer *picture of a Gundam*people that dont anime and only know about transformers, see "calling every game console a nintendo"
>>23649025I unironically haven't seen any of these talking points since 2018. If anything there's been an increase of trans flag accounts on xitter that repeat /m/ talking points like Turn A being peak or CE being slop or Eva being a ripoff of Ideon word for word.
>>23649120this. its a uniquely western phenomenon, people acting like they are "in the know" about some genre of anime or games when all their knowledge comes from social osmosis and reviews or video essays. thats how you can have bizzarre shit like hatoful boyfriend and dokidoki literature club being popular parody games of dating sims when the cast majority of western gamers never touched one their entire lives because the expectations being subverted by those games comes from magazine articles and youtube videos and hearsay while the dunning krueger effect makes them not question if what they heard is actually correct.
>>23649088>People view mecha genre as nothing more than toy robots for toddlersBut modern media is the stupidest shit I've ever seen right now how can people be on such a fucking high horse. It's all isekai and capeshit.
>>23649088A lot of it comes from Transformers fans, specifically of Beast Wars age, who got bullied by both Geewunners and people who liked "legit" media and based all their arguments over the degree of which a show was made for shilling toys.
>>23649151>unironically haven't seen any of these talking points since 2018.I've seen the "it's about the characters" one a handful of times in the last year or so, but yeah, they seem pretty rare.
>>23649158You should've understood by now that average normalfag lives in a world completely different from yours. Sadly, newtype understanding is not a thing
>>23649249What happened was I picked some at random and ig was RahXephon and Gasaraki and tried looking it up so yeah... But the replies I see about it have been recent. The gurren Lagann drill is an old meme I seen its probabaly 10 years old now sweet jesus.
>>23649025>all Tokusatsu is "Japanese Power Rangers"
>>23649151Yesterday I was directed to a vod where the streamer was talking to his chat about Gundam with him being a complete outsider on the topic and eventually he asked 'which one do I watch if I only want a good story and don't care about the mechs?', so the sentiment which causes these points to be made is still out there.
>>23649415There are still people who look at a character in a mecha context crossing their arms or pointing upwards and saying it's a Gurren Lagann reference.
>>23649482Yeah, at it's heart they probably just have a firm belief it's childish slop that we only watch because it has robots.I feel like all the old takes are still around, they've just evolved. The feelings that made them believe it still exist. "Evangelion is about how mecha is bad" has been somewhat resurrected with how often I've seen people say gundam is about how mecha is bad, or that the gundam is bad because amuro "enables" war with it and you're supposed to be fearful of or disgusted by it.The whole "mech vs mecha" thing still sticks around, but at least people are more well informed there now.
>>23649167No, it doesn't.
>>23649482Seabook's father was a lucky man
Evaxephon, aka Yandere Dev (this isn't a joke) caused the majority of this by calling anything made after 1995 an "Eva clone" and fellating the shit series to new heights.
>>23649025the simplest truth to this is that a lot of mecha media is mid and a lot of "unpopular" genres aren't unpopular because of some specific quality of the genre that isn't popular, but just because there's not a lot of media in said genre that got popular in an accessible manner to attract people beyond their genre. So you have stupid fucks who want to pretend they're smart by saying "heh. I'm not an idiot like those mecha nerds. I only like the ONE mecha show that's not stupid!". Even though said shows are made by huge mecha fans with dozens of tropes of the genre.Basically it's just that EVA has good character writing and directing, and that broke some people's brains because everyone is fucking stupid and they're used to dogshit slop, so a good work from a genre they're not used to gives them cognitive dissonance.
>>23652339Evangelion is literally just anno's shot at making his gritty grimdark ultraman show before they actually let him work on an ultraman
>>23652339>a lot of mecha media is midMedia is mid all over. The entire world is mid, we're just living in it.
>>23652613true. still, he's a massive gundam fan>>23652758also true and that reinforces my point. the vast majority of media is mid and people are used to stand out examples in genres they don't care much for
>>23652876Then why are some things more popular if all is mid?Women are watching hallmark movies like it's their first gulp of fresh air after 9 months in a lunar capsule, and it all fucking sucks lol
>>23652939nta but its because the overall quality of creative output has fallen dramatically even in just ten yearssomething mid from the 00's is generally going to be better than something mid from 2022. take the recent fascination with gundam seed for example, complete mid show, one of the worst gundams ever released when it came out, but people like it way more than shit like g witch or ibo gekko or gqx.
>>23652967>something mid from the 00's is generally going to be better than something mid from 2022I've watched mid from the 00's and that's not likely. Christ, the flood of cheap love hina clones. The dollar store VN adaptions. Isekai is a blight but it's nothing new, all industries are just people desperately playing catch up with whatever blow out success recently happened.
>>23649151OP here I watched a random video on the merchandise from Angelic Layer and in the introduction this fucking bitch unironically said 'evangelion revolutionized the mecha genre with its character development' of some shit I swear to fucking god
>>23654127This was after I made this fucking thread too
>>23651487Onore Yandere Dev.
I feel like I heard these way more around 2010, 2014ish, I don't think I ever hear them anymore these days
>>23652339wtf when did this happen? I don't ever recall Shinji shooting a gun, he only ever used an assault rifle or that massive sniper rifle in that one episode>>23652613Also also I don't get the comparisons people make between Eva and Ultraman, they're vastly different and I still haven't heard a good comparison
>>23656631Anno is a huge ultraman fan, the EVA units movement and lanky shape is pretty suit actor inspired, and the crucifix theming is likely straight from it too.
>>23656639OK, that's about it thoughNothing about the themes, action, characters, design, basically anything is directly referencing Ultraman, and when Anno did make his Ultraman movie it was so fucking bad it should be considered a crime against the arts
>>23656640You're right unlike Ultraman Evangelion focuses on the characters, so it cant be inspired by Ultraman
>>23656639You forgot the beeping 3 minute timer and all that wacky rebuild shit.
>>23656640>OK, that's about it thoughThat's kind of a lot.
>>23656658yeah it's basically a grimderp UFO / Ultraman mashupthey find a "being of light", make abomination clones of it and jam kids down its spinal cord to override the brain
>>23649151>I unironically haven't seen any of these talking points since 2018.loads people finally watched eva and gundam during the pandemic
>>23649151>I unironically haven't seen any of these talking points since 2018You haven't been paying attention. Which is a good thing in all honesty.
>>23656655>>23656658>>23656728A few visual references, and the timer doesn't make it inspired by UltramanHave you people even watched Ultraman?
>>23657298yeah, that could be any giant of light from the M78 nebula, everybody assumes it's Ultraman
>>23656631Most of the symbology and a lot of the more iconic scenes, even the premise behind nerv and the show's basic set up are just all Ultraman references nigger. Watch more tokusatsu.
>>23656728>>23656639I found a really cool article on it but Instead of trying to summarize it I'll just post it.https://www.zimmerit.moe/evangelion-ultraman-connection-hideaki-anno/
>>23657448I'm 100% sure that guy is just trolling
>>23657448>>23657460>>23657455Like I said, a few references doesn't mean it was inspired by UltramanIt's also clear Anno doesn't even understand Ultraman, as seen with Shin
>>23657463I didn't quote you on purpose. I don't care to argue about it.
>>23657455AHHHH this article calls Evangelion a deconstruction I am going to die.
>>23657468>heh who even cares bro it's not that deep broOnce you grow up you'll realise the whole not caring about things gimmick is retarded
>>23657472I know that's why I'm linked that to people who actually love Ultraman and Evangelion.
Was /m/ always this fucking retarded?
>>23657480No, it directly correlates to the third world getting internet access.
>>23657448Look, it doesn't count, OKAY? it just doesn't. don't contradict me.
>eva is inspired by ultraman because occasionally it references itIs The Wonderful 101 inspired by Zelda because it references Lowrule?
>>23657526I have no idea what you're talking about.
>>23657526Eva is inspired by like a thousand things. Ultraman is one of them. This is objective fact and denying it just makes you look incredibly retarded. It's not too late to backpedal.
>>23657526Are you perhaps upset because you think ultraman is generally too silly for your tastes, and you're one of those fags that takes Evangelion way too seriously? Is that what's up?
anno has Blue Christmas, Ultraman, Supermarionation, and the redhead from Nausicaa
Lot of trolling, misinformation and strawmanning ITT lmao
Drives me up the wall that people call Gasaraki an Eva clone just because it has a kuudere heroine and is a mecha show.
>>23657974I'm the sameway with Brainpowered.I don't really care for the show, but it's not really an Eva clone.
>>23657974Gasaraki was 90s Votoms.
