New ragebait just dropped https://youtu.be/X-AsdGwnhaU?si=U7cmO2y2pza9SyRRDo people really still think Kira got nuked or some dumb shit in 2025?
>>23666533Kira should have died in seed episode 30And no amount of astray trying to patchwork that change it. But again, seed is a 20 fucking yo old show.
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>>23666558Why should it have even killed him? Strike still had full Phase Shit.
>>23666533This just showed me I was genuinely mistaken about something in this fight and that really pisses me off
>>23666571The cockpit hatch was cut open and Athrun latched Aegis right over the hole, phase shift or no, that's still a massive breach to Kira's safety.
>>23666580>paint on the Aile aint even damaged Pft
>>23666580Nta but why is all the worse damage of the seat behind where Kira’s body woudve been? I never understood that
>>23666587Why the fuck is only the seat and seatbelts mostly melted and nothing else is touched? Why didn’t they question where the body was???
>>23666587>>23666589Because Fukada was going pretty hard with the brutality of war with early SEED. The fact that Kira as the main Character was THAT Close to actually dying, was surprising as it was at the time. Then they told him walk it back, and calm down these deaths were getting to be to much, hell it was surprising they still let him get away with Cyclops system
>>23666570>Pleb filtered by Based Loran, who overwhelmed a dude twice his size in a sword fight, like straight up through pure chad/twink strength
>>23666533He doesn’t get nuked but a blast powerful enough to fuck up the impulse hits right where they are and all that is left of the freedom is scrap, even if it wasn’t the reactor going critical it is still absurd he survived
>>23666533Racus sama!
>>23666533I mean if you're tampering with the genes anyway, it only makes sense for the "Ultimate Coordinator" to have DNA of octopi and cockroaches built in to squeeze though 1mm cracks in the cockpit and survive nuclear radiation. Hell. he's probably got some of that space whale in him and who knows what that thing can do
>>23666735What radiation?
>>23666580The Aegis was a battery-powered mobile suit with barely any battery power left when it self destructed. The cockpit was protected by a safety shutter and most of its internal damage was from an explosion after the fact. Kira was immediately extracted and taken to get medical attention.There is genuinely no way he should have died there.>>23666596Kira was intended to die to stop Genesis in the end, and the OST even has a track titled Freedom Suicide that was for it, but executives shot it down.
>>23666533>>23666558I find it bizarre that these opinions are common with western fans but very rare among the Asian fanbase. I wonder why?
>>23666533Not watching your shitty video. Buy an ad.
>>23666779I find it bizarre they’re still around after decades
>>23666779>rare among the Asian fanbaseIt's not. It's just that Asians voice their displeasure by drawing the SEED girls being raped by niggers or dying in flames. For decades now, even.
>>23666853I mean SEED antis exist, but these arguments usually get shut down instantly. Why do western fans need a youtube video 20 years later to understand the same scene?
>>23666863I searched up some of those comments shown off in the video and they’re from current year. That’s grim.
>>23666570>Someone other than me acknowledges Loran was a bad character Nice, he was my least favorite Gundam MC until IBO.
>>23666863Because we’re dumb as hell
buy an ad retard
>>23666580This shit makes absolutely no sense. I don't care what explanation you come up with, it's bullshit. I choose to believe Tusk and pic related was done in the same vein.
>>23667051The Astray manga, which ran alongside SEED, explains this. SEED was a work that attempted to connect various storytelling mediums.Anyway, the Strike's cockpit was destroyed, so its emergency blast shields deployed, completely mitigating the impact and shrapnel of the explosion, and Kira was *only* exposed to intense heat (much hotter than re-entry, judging by the recovery time), and was lucky to be rescued. The Strike still had its phase shift armor, so it withstood the blast pretty well, all things considered.Ironically, Athrun's survival is more unbelievable. He only set a 10-second countdown to self-destruct, which would have given him a few seconds to escape the Aegis. We see him injured from the explosion, but he's in better shape than Kira.
>>23667075I can allow all the other bs survivals, it's Athrun in the Gouf that I refuse to accept. A'l the others had offscreen happenings or scene cut trickery or a new release of the show rewriting history that you can explain them away with, but not that one. Stab, drop, enormous explosion, no scene transitions or anything
>>23667105The cockpit block was intact and they got immediately picked up by KisakaThe only truly unforgivable survival imo is Mu's
>>23667201There's nothing implausible about that. He was shot by an anti-fortress weapon and he's not a fortress.
>>23667201And don’t forget his Strike was apparently rebuilt from that too
>>23667349Rebuilt into what?
>>23667746https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/MBF-03%2BP208QX_DRAGOON_Strike
>>23667075>Ironically, Athrun's survival is more unbelievable.This is the truth. Let's not also forget that the Strike was rebuilt yet the Aegis was a write-off. Yet Athrunfags will insist he "won" the duel.
>>23667869Rebuilt? Lmao it was barely touched
>>23667783I hate this. I really really hate this.
>>23666608And even had his Gundam help out for the finisher.
>>23667783>>23667894That was pretty obviously just supposed to be the Rouge until they realized at the literal last second that it would make no sense for Kira to keep it when it was supposed to be in Orb with Cagalli. So they made up the "actually it was Strike but mostly made of spare Rouge parts because we already animated it with green eyes and Rouge's headcrest whoops". That whole storyline really doesn't make much sense according to Destiny anyway and really didn't need to exist.
>>23667051Fukuda loves fake out deaths.
Nicol shot first.
>>23667075Didn't Fukuda essentially say >I don't know what's going on in the side story stuff, that's someone's else's businessCause that really makes it hard to me to accept Astray's answer as an intended explanation.
>>23668264That was Fukuda seething at the fact that Red Astray had a katana first. Regardless of how much he seethes, Astray is canon. >featured in both the original trailer for the series but also the opening>Red and Blue (two separate mangas) ran concurrently with the series, mostly covering plot holes>has an OVA>ReHome shows up in the Remaster helping the three ship alliance
>>23668273I agree it makes him look butthurt, but I still put original intent in high regard for story telling, and it just kind of makes me think Fukuda never even thought about the escape plan.
>>23668279He doesn't seem like the kind of person who thinks past the immediate impact of that scene and that scene only.
>>23668273>Astray is canon.>t.fangirl obsessed with prayer, canard, or agnes
>>23668264Even the in show explanation where Kira managed to get out and crawled to Malchio's place where he passed out is explanation enough.
>>23668273Too bad you’re lying
>>23668307Yup, unless there's an actual cockpit death scene like Tolle being beheaded or Heine cut in half, then you can explain all the survivals with "stuff happened offscreen". Well, except for Mu, but he does make the impossible possible after all
>>23668264Fukuda is not the only person who worked on the entirety of Cosmic Era.He decided to have a big explosion which Kira survived with no clear explanation, the Astray manga that was running at the exact same time decided to show Lowe rescuing him.Did Fukuda intend for Lowe to save Kira? Likely not.Is that the story now? Yes. You can choose to ignore it and just go by what the show shows us, and accept that if Athrun made it out of the explosion with zero protection, then maybe Kira could stumble out and collapse somewhere.>>23668273I thought it was him seething at people pestering him about Astray and asking if he was ripping it off. >>23668280This. As far as he's concerned, it was just a cool and dramatic way to end the episode.>>23668281As terrible as Astray gets, the official stance seems to be that we can all pick and choose what we think counts as canon. So I choose to ignore most of Astray.
>>23666533So how does this compare to say, Wackymodder's Seed rants?
>>23668810This is a rant?
>>23668810This guy is just pointing out facts while WM is actively making shit up
>>23668810Still autistic, but isn’t shouting the whole time. Relatively short and sweet. No indication of him paying money for anybody to recolor a mobile suit.
>>23668470Well, they did remove his helmet in the remaster. I also find it funny how him surviving beams had become his main thing in Destiny and Freedom.
>>23666608Need to impregnate that black ass for strong mulatto children
>>23668810Subscribed because he’s not absolutely screeching. Actually liked his GP02 theft one too
>>23668810A hell of lot better. Actually informative and quickly delivered. Pretty well produced too. I thought the fake episode title was cute
>>23666533Oh hey, an actual chill guy who doesn't go into a complete rage meltdown when talking about SEED and actually presents the scene out in detail.He gets a thumbs up from me.
>>23668878There’s more?
>>23666533The explosion is from the positron cannon of Minerva and there's a reason why Murrue Ramius keeps rejecting Natarle suggestion of using Arcangel's positron cannon in earth's atmosphere because it will do significant damage to the surroundings
>>23668959(You)
>>23668964yeah so what?
>>23668903>>23668936Has one about Nina not seeing Gato toohttps://youtu.be/tLC3HHk1gBo?si=rIcrbzgbcJTdB_cL
>>23666533not watching this shit but I'll assume it's another retard that only just realized that the big explosion was from the taunnhauser and not the freedom.
>>23668980Not watching that either. He looks right at her and that’s a fact
>>23666863Japanese SEED antis are just classic mecha fans and otakus. SEED is known as a faggot anime / for women.
Shill?
>>23669415Tourist?
>>23666533Not bitchy? Not cringe? Sticks to facts then says to sort it out yourself? Based and subbed.
Hide all eceleb slop
Because SEED sucks
>>23668871I think it’s stupid that they used his Strike for Recollection but somehow didn’t find a body
>>23666728Racus sama what?
>>23675642Sex.
>>236701965k subs does not an “celeb” make anon
I don't care about any Gundam setting anymore other than Cosmic Era
>>23676518Why’s that?
>>23666775He would have been killed in a suicide bombing brought by Flay. I wonder how everything would have changed?
>>23677098Wait, I was mistaken, those were two different endings.
>>23666570This can’t be a real person
>>23666587Pleather melts at at like 200F. I doubt they were worried about the survivability of seat cushions in an insulated cockpit.
>>23667075>orytelling mediums.>Anyway, the Strike's cockpit was destroyed, so its emergency blast shields deployed, completely mitigating the impact and shrapnel of the explosion, and Kira was *only* exposed to intense heat (much hotter than re-entry, judging by the recovery time), and was lucky to be rescued. The Strike still had its phase shift armor, so it withstood the blast pretty well, all things considered.It's still an asspull of an explanation, considering the blast door basically had a bomb weighing almost 80 metric tons go off directly above it.
>>23678165>the pieces of Aegis blown off are all intact Uhuh. 80 tons. Sure.
The next Remaster should have Nicol take Kira's sword and stab himself with it.
>>23666558athrun belongs with cagalli, sorry
>>23682262She belongs with Andy’s wife
>>23678285And despite that Kira will still act like he killed him afterwards
>>23683650Kira lost the second fight
>>23686688Kira's undefeated.>B-BUT!Cope.Strongest CE pilot with the strongest mobile suits and the best GF.
>>23686693That’s Athrun.
>>23686782>AssranLOL
>>23686825Correct. That’s him
>>23686832No one believes that.
>>23686833Characters in universe do
>>23686873Not really.
>>23686873They really don't. In-Universe, Athrun is far down the totem pole next to Kira.
>>23666533It's ok anon, if you want us to call you a rakusu sama we will.
>>23686873It's literally just Shura that thinks that.
>>23686981It's still funny to me that Shura is so obsessed with Athrun and sees him as his rival, yet Athrun doesn't give a shit about Shura and defeats him while gooning.
Watching Freedom right after Destiny is kinda throwing me off since Cagalli changed voice actress.
>>23687033I didn't even notice it desu
Thank you Athrun very based.
>>23687225Once again, thank you very based
>>23687227Whoa, also surprisingly based for a moment there Kira, didn't know you had it in you.
>>23686981Shura also kicked the shit out of Kira twice
>>23687497As part of a group both times? As a literal mind reader? Not impressive.
>Complains about Athrun ruining their sacred battle with lewd thoughts>MF needs to mind control his opponent in order to win.
>>23691601BASED but missing Shinn and Luna
Happy 51st birthday, Rie Tanaka.
Huh..Happy birthday to her.But huh...
Tangentially related, but I've noticed that throughout the years there's always been a social shield to being a complete tard, called various different thingsAt various times it was being ironic, trolling, "doing a character", nowadays it's called ragebait, but it's all the same shitA cope for when some bullshit you says doesn't get a positive reaction so you can option select into "n-no guys I was just being dumb on porpoise this whole time"
What's wackymodder up to these days?
>>23694677Stillwood
>>23695539…waithttps://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/s/QY9uFnzW0V
>>23695545>>23695539>What's wackymodder up to these days?Last thing I heard is he watched Gundam Seed Freedom. I watched about 30 minutes of his commentary video. I skipped around because he rambles but he was really upset and the highlights were: 1. He kept getting mad at the beam sabers clashing and were able to touch each other. He kept saying the director and writers forgot that beams aren't supposed to touch in seed. 2. He was mad that the "needle weapon" penetrated phase shift armor of Rising Freedom Gundam. He said Phase shift armor is supposed to be immune to physical attacks. And hates when missiles damaged Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice. 3. He doesn't understand why anyone would choose a physical sword like Destiny Gundam's anti-ship sword or Mighty Strike Freedom's katana when a beam saber is better. He thinks beam sabers should be number 1 and everything else is useless.4. He doesn't like how beam shields can be broken now.Basically Wackymodder hates or refuses to acknowledge that Director Fukuda put limits on technology now. He hates the ambiguity. He refuses to read or listen to any staff interviews, Director interviews, or commentary tracks on the Blu-ray disc release. If it's not printed in a "databook", then it doesn't exist.He said he absolutely hates the Gundam Seed Freedom movie because it makes him so mad.
>>23695853>He refuses to read or listen to any staff interviews, Director interviews, or commentary tracks on the Blu-ray disc release. If it's not printed in a "databook", then it doesn't exist.What the hell kind of autism is this?
>>23695859I don't know why there's a section of the Gundam fandom that's obsessed with databooks. You would think staff and director interviews would Trump everything else. Fukuda himself said in an interview that Gundam fans shouldn't take databooks seriously because his staff change things all the time to suit the needs of story. He even said the Seed Freedom databooks are already outdated because they've changed several things during production, but after the databooks were written. So a databook can become outdated incredibly fast. Yet some Gundam fans get so hyper focused on the databooks and nothing else.
>>23694677https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN65zQ7KHQk
>>23695539Occasional lengthy autistic Gundam rants, frequent AI chatbot porn discussion
>>23695859I used to think he was being stubborn, but now I unironically think it's just mental illness.
>>23666570>>23666608>>23677630>>23666891All of Tomino's main characters suck. They're only popular because they're autistic and could never function outside of their universe.
>>23695853>He was mad that the "needle weapon" penetrated phase shift armor of Rising Freedom Gundam.He didn't even watch it then since it didn't penetrate the armor until it killed the battery completely which is the whole function of it. >And hates when missiles damaged Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice. I'll give him that one, Rising losing a wing to a single barrage of Dinn and Ginn missiles was kind of BS. The original Strike could take a hit from them without any serious damage is the Rising's PS even weaker then that?
>>23697936>give him that one, Rising losing a wing to a single barrage of Dinn and Ginn missiles was kind of BS. The original Strike could take a hit from them without any serious damage is the Rising's PS even weaker then that?That's the weakness of VPS armor. It trades consistency for extended battery life. Instead of providing consistent power to all parts of the armor, VPS provides lower levels and higher levels to different parts of the mobile suit depending on pilot preferences. The wings probably had the lowest level of VPS protection set. The chest, cockpit, and shield probably had greater power levels set. Wings are low priority for protection.
>>23698137wasn't there some color bullshit or did they retcon that?
>>23698301Yes, there is a hierarchy according to the old databooks for PS and VPS. The scale for mobile suits is:----------------------(Strongest) - Red = Strongest level of phase shift. Most power demanding. - Blue = Above average. - Black/Dark Grey = Mid range durability. Middle level of power demands- Green = second weakest. - White = Weakest level of Phase shift. Least power demanding. (Least Strongest)Note: This does not apply to TPS (Trans-Phase Armor), or massive constructed buildings like Genesis which has PS armor.-----------------------So it sorta makes sense why Immortal Justice's wing tips blew up. They were white colored. But the red colored parts of wings took the hits a lot better. They were dented, but still held together. Since Immortal Justice has higher power demands for its own armor, you will notice that it had less beams than Rising Freedom. For example, Rising Freedom has a beam shield, while Immortal Justice does not have one.Immortal Justice only has one beam saber on its shield while Rising Freedom has 3 beam sabers on its shield. The trade off is that Rising Freedom is mostly white with the weakest level of Phase shift covering most of the suit. Most likely because Kira believes he will never get hit.Immortal Justice does not posses any heavy beam weapons like Rising Freedom does either. The battery of Immortal Justice can't do everything or power everything. There has to be trade offs.
>>23698377so what about the black and blue wings
>>23698385Rising Freedom got hit by a lot more missiles. Look how many enemies there are.It's not entirely black or blue. The wing has white bits in there and shoulder cannons are entirely white.
>>23698377>Since Immortal Justice has higher power demands for its own armor, you will notice that it had less beams than Rising Freedom. For example, Rising Freedom has a beam shield, while Immortal Justice does not have one. I honestly never noticed this. Good catch. I missed details like that.
>>23697936Phase shift armor generally isn't applied to joints, and explosives are dangerous for PS armor because the heat, shrapnel, and force can affect those exposed joints. I believe this is how Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice were mostly unscathed, but suffered some damage from being caught up in barrages.>>23698377I don't know about all of that, but Perfect File suggests it's as simple as "the further the color is from gray, the more voltage is being applied = the better defense that part has".
>>23698924NTAI'm pretty sure it's a fan theory but it honestly makes sense. And then you consider the way the Impulse's colors are laid out>the close range version is red>the long range version is green
>>23698924>>23698944It's true. Several databooks mention it. But it's entirely up to you how much you want to believe the databooks. It was mentioned with Strike Rouge. Cagalli wasn't as good a pilot so the engineers pumped the maximum amount of voltage into the armor for maximum defense. Which is why her Strike is Red color. It was mentioned again with Justice Gundam. Then later with Impulse Gundam and the whole color swapping thing. Sword Strike has highest defense. Blast Impulse is weakest. Force is middle ground.
>>23666533Im not going to watch this. Is there value here?
>>23699002It's a fine idea, and I know Strike Rouge, Testament, and Impulse turned red because they pumped more power into the armor, I'm just not sure it's part of the official setting. The Pixiv Encyclopedia is usually good about that sort of thing and they claim there's no official word that red in particular is the best.>This has led to the theory that red is stronger and consumes more power. However, even for these three units, the explanation is that the color changed due to changes in the power supply and allocation of each unit, and there is no particular explanation that red has superior defensive performance for all PS armor.>Also, since the machines that are primarily used in artillery and ranged battles (Launcher Strike, Buster series, Blast Impulse) are green in color, there is a theory that green has low armor strength and low output in order to focus on firepower.>However, the Chaos Gundam is an exception, as it is an assault aircraft designed for versatility in mid-range combat, as well as close-range combat, and is designed for hit-and-run attacks and high-speed combat in space (although there is no direct relationship in the setting, its operational purpose is similar to that of the red Aegis and Saviour) (incidentally, the Calamity, which is also green, has TP armor, so the color of the aircraft is irrelevant).>Regarding shades, it is often interpreted that the darker the armor, the harder it is, but the PS armor of the Genesis , which showed the greatest defensive performance in the series, is a grayish white color, despite its large surface area . The Perfect File mentioned above also mentions the color depth of the Abyss Gundam and the color depth around the cockpit, but again does not make a definitive statement and avoids mentioning the commonly used white.
>>23699026Depends on if you think Kira survived a nuclear explosion and being impaled, or if you instead aren't retarded.
>>23699054??? Of course he survived it, that’s how the show goes
>>23699061Neither of those things happenedYou got filtered
the problem with any of these gayass rainbow color theories is that any colored armor strengths are completely secondary to aesthetics.Trans-phase shift armor is already a thing in the show and there's literally no reason they couldn't have a TPS-VPS hybrid. Program the suit to shift armor strength to maximum based on when it's about to be hit in a certain area but leave phase shift on lower power elsewhere. Or program some trippy color patterns to change the machine's visual profile so that when it's combined with evasive movement, you can trip up enemies that saw you earlier and are expecting to see certain colors or shapes.Imagine a version for low visibility that provides optimal automatic camouflage to blend a machine into its surroundings, call it a reasonable alternative to mirage colloid that doesn't provide invisibility but also has much longer runtime and isn't banned by a bunch of countries. Break out the goddamn dazzle/jungle/marine/space camo patterns.
>>23699103>Trans-phase shift armor is already a thing in the show and there's literally no reason they couldn't have a TPS-VPS hybridThis is correct and is theorized to be what the Windam and Destroy Gundam have
>>23699052>The Pixiv EncyclopediaI don't know why you are looking at that website instead of just checking the databooks yourself. >there's no official word that red in particular is the best. It was mentioned as the highest defensive phase shift color for battery powered suits. Assuming you believe the databooks.
>>23699178No, blue is. That's why the underwater suits are blue, otherwise they would be red.
>>23699178>I don't know why you are looking at that website instead of just checking the databooks yourself.Because there are a hundred of them. Point me to the right one and I'll look at it right away and post the relevant pages here.
>>23666533What's the bait here?
>>23695545You can see the explosion in the background of the final shot. How the hell can anyone think the explosion came from the Freedom which is the foreground? Is he just genuinely stupid?
>>23700864Think who you’re talking about
>>23699233Off the top of my head, I don't remember which *exact* databooks, but you can read about the phase shift information in the Strike Rouge, Justice Gundam, Impulse Gundam, and Strike Freedom/Infinite Justice books. Good and Silver are an even higher grade of durability than the normal phase shift colors.
>>23701103The only thing I found about it was the Strike Rouge manual claiming that the voltage changed and so the color changed, but insisting the armor isn’t weaker for it. I’ll keep searching.
>>23699061No.>nuclear explosionKira shut off the Freedom's nuclear reactor, the explosion was the Tannhauser's positron blast hitting the water.>being impaledThe Freedom's cockpit is in a unique position compared to most other MS where it sits at the top of the chest and not the stomach. Shinn didn't know that and stabbed Freedom in the stomach, meaning the blade went in well below where Kira was.
>>23701225Cope
>>23701225Even if Kira prevented the explosion from going nuclear, you can still create an intense non-nuclear explosion by destroying freedom. Shinn stabbed a nuclear reactor when it was running at 100% power. That energy has to go somewhere.
>>23701234That’s not how that works. Actually and explicitly they shut down the moment containment is breached. That’s why beam rifles are so fuckey in UC because a beam will react with the containment and cause a boom, meanwhile you can strap dynamite to the thing and have no issues
>>23701234In that case, the explosion would be most likely to go toward the point of puncture, which may help explain why Impulse got completely roasted.
>>23701234>That energy has to go somewhere.Not according to N-jammers
>>23701232Seethe
>unsinkable ArchangelOH NO NO NO
>>23704118Do the impossible, sink the unsinkable Row row fight the power!
>>23704118Made before Freedom
>>23705239I know it's just funny in retrospect
