Bout to start get in here.

>>23668245
Yellow somehow makes Zeztz design more tolerable to me

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We’re getting KR Nox right after Booster so Nox will seal his Nightmare after Booster defeats it huh

>>23668256
That feels a bit too fast, hopefully they're able to pull it off

Baku is "special" alright.

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>>23668245
The dates the pictures of the next episode were taken, meaning next episode was most likely filmed in May

How many times are we going to do this "Baku seemingly dies but comes back the next episode" thing? This is twice now.

How's he going to be a Kamen Rider if his the bad guy?

That was a fantastic episode. I didn't even consider Baku may have been indoctrinated to be an Agent but adding that Nox was his teacher is crazy

I think the "CODE/Zero is bad" thing is a red herring but they may still not be on the up and up.

Another one for the list of "Riders that can keep up with Clock Up"

>>23668285
Face turns are always a thing. Plus there is already implications that Code might not be the good guys after all.

https://mega.nz/folder/2QFTFKxJ#1qRPjOjMZjIrEAKt8NR2ig

>>23668256
It makes sense. He never says Henshin or has a pose. So it makes sense that Nox Knight is not his Rider form.

>>23668270
They weren't able to pull Nox Knight off.

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What did you like and dislike about the episode?

Nox actually answering a fucking question for once, what a concept!

Baku finally asking questions next episode. I knew I just had to be patient.

>>23668288
Jesus I just realized I forgot to type some words there.
"How's he going to be a Kamen Rider if his ride is the bad guy?" was what I meant to type.

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>>23668245
These last two episodes have been fairly solid. I like that Baku obtained this power due to personal reasons and not because of justice and love or something like that. But if we are really going into the territory of "hero is ostracized by his organization for agreeing with the mass murderer, and an evil lady comes to take charge" then we're just gonna get a repeat of Saber.
And I still don't like how casually they brush off Nox's attempt at total humanity extinction, this is not the point of the story where we should have sympathy towards this fucker.

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What are your debut impressions on Inazuma Plasma?

>>23668306
Why does a speedster need arrows?

>>23668306
Pretty badass form both in look and in powers.

>inazuma pushed Nox's shit in deep
>it's only the first part of a two step form

holy powercreep

>>23668286
right now, CODE still cannot be considered evil. as ZERO said 'sometimes, an agent has to do dirty things to carry on the mission', something Odaka, as an agent himself should be well aware.

sure, ZERO MIGHT have considered Odaka as 'dispensable', and he MIGHT consider Baku too if at some point he becomes unfit. but still we dont know his side on the matter. (tho him STILL refusing to give Baku important info on what he knows about Odaka isnt helping his case much). not to mention, CODE still tries to protect mankind from the nightmares... which is way, WAY more than what can be said about Mr. 'i will destroy all the nightmares by ensuring a meteor strike literally destroy the planet' FUX!

>>23668311
in this case it was to overwhelm Nox so the water trick wouldn't work again

I'm not even remotely surprised that CODE is shady given Takahashi has pulled this in every other show he's done.

>>23668306
You can rape people with plasma's powers
They can't scream
They can't see

>>23668323
since when a secret agent organization has ever been 100% clean? you just dont play the secret agent game without doing dirty shit at some point or another, even Baku is well aware of that fact as he's actually aware ZERO is withholding info from him but still agreed to go after NOX!.

this is just not another Takahashi quirk, ALL secret organizations deal in shady shit regardless of their objective. thats why they are SECRET organizations.

>>23668323
Nox being a lone wolf would've been very unorthodox for rider and CODE is the only fantastical organization present in the show so i could also see this twist coming from a mile away

>>23668245
>>23668295
Interesting episode mostly carried by Kami's great directing. They've now made it very obvious that Baku was being groomed by CODE, with Nox being the teacher of his "special class". They're also heavily implying that Baku got mindwiped, but unless I'm missing something, that reveal kind of came out of nowhere, he never gave the impression that he had amnesia or missing memories before this. Of course, they could pull a twist in all this and reveal that none of this is real and it's all just a product of Nox's paranoia, possibly exacerbated by his Nightmare, meaning CODE isn't quite as evil as it seems.

Inazuma's the first time we see Baku capturing one of his own nightmares into a Capsem, but the question still remains on whether the other Capsems are made from his own Nightmares as well or not. I gotta say that although the fight was cool, the emotional impact of this upgrade form debut kind of fell flat, Baku asks himself the question of whether he wants to use the power of Nightmares to save people at the very start of the episode, then spends half of it learning he was possibly groomed and mindwiped, and then just decides that yes, he wants to keep using those powers to save people. Hopefully Booster gets a more impactful debut with the juicy moral dilemma of whether or not Baku should kill Nox. Speaking of Nox, they better have a good justification for why he insists on being so mysterious around Baku by only giving him cryptic messages and partial bits of information, because currently it just looks like he's shooting himself in the foot by doing this and constantly antagonizing Baku if what he wants is to get him away from all this dream and secret agent stuff.

(1/2)

>>23668331
we know, we saw that happen to Nox live

>>23668346 cont.
Kinda underwhelmed that Minami is seemingly just a normal person with no prior knowledge of CODE, but it at least looks like she'll be more involved in the story than Sara was. The cops didn't do much this episode, but I liked their little banter. Nem continues to be a very whatever Heroine, she even got pushed aside twice in this episode instead of making any meaningful contributions.

Also, I think they dropped the ball on Nox Knight by making it debut so late, it's not really threatening as a foe since it just keeps losing and losing right after its debut, and that's in spite of having the very OP ability of erasing things such as the MC's very own powers.

(2/2)

>>23668346
>it just looks like he's shooting himself in the foot by doing this and constantly antagonizing Baku if what he wants is to get him away from all this dream and secret agent stuff.

obviously, he is trying to scare him off out of the business, thats understandable.

the problem is, and it will always be, him destroying Barrier and letting the space center be destroyed. as well as wanting for the meteor nightmare to destroy the planet.

>NOX! is not an idiot, of course he had some contingency plan to fight the meteor himself, he has the Erase capsem after all.
is he? because anyone with half a brain knows he wouldnt have done crap, while we know for a fact Barrier would have been more than enough to stop the meteor nightmare. theres no way his capsem would have 'erased' something that big.

>>23668285
This is ouja revisionism and I won't stand for it.

>>23668346
There weren't real clues towards Baku having amnesia, but I think amnesia is a solid explanation for why Baku dreamt of specifically being a CODE agent. There had to have been a reason for Baku to dream of a real secret organization and "he was being groomed as an agent but got mind wiped" is close to theories that have been floating around.

I'm wondering if the reason Nox is so uncaring about a big meteor destroying the world is meant to be a hint towards this being a dream within a dream. Or that the real world isn't quite 'real'.

>>23668311
Have you ever seen Dio hurl a fuckton of knives during timestop, and the guy can't block it because 40 knives just appeared from every angle? That's the practical reason a really fast guy would work well with a projectile weapon.
The vibes is that shooting a guy, then beating his ass before the shot lands is one of the coolest things you can do.

>>23668286
>That was a fantastic episode. I didn't even consider Baku may have been indoctrinated to be an Agent but adding that Nox was his teacher is crazy

I mentioned my theory on this back during the episode 13 thread. So yeah, fucking called it.

>>23668374
that could indeed make his mission more understandeable, and yeah, would eliminate all complaints about the arc.

but that could be pretty complex for a kids show and probably they wouldnt dare do it.

I wish a rain soaked Nem would have hugged me as a child.

>>23668379
Don't overestimate how complicated "everything is fake, wake up sheeple," is, or underestimate how much kids can understand, or just blithely accept as the plot happens. Though, all that matters is what the execs think of it.

>>23668357
>he is trying to scare him off out of the business, thats understandable.
It's not understandable at all. If he wanted him out of the game ASAP (or at least as soon as he unlocked the 4 color powers), he should've told him the whole truth about CODE being evil and the Capsems being bad, instead of telling him cryptic bullshit he doesn't even understand while casting doubts on his own claims by making himself out to be the bad guy.

I won't complain about the whole meteor incident yet because there's still some questions regarding how real the "real" world actually is.

>>23668362
I have no issue with Baku being groomed. It's just that I think him being groomed was already good enough as an explanation for his dream of being an agent, I was already suspecting it myself a while ago. It's the whole amnesia part which had next to no buildup that I have an issue with, since like I said Baku never gave me the impression that he had missing memories at all. I know they're probably gonna tie this with Nox and the Erase Capsem's powers, but it still feels a little jarring to just drop the important fact that Baku had amnesia all along with little to no buildup.

>>23668395
Erase capsem and the nox driver were part of the whole "state secrets" mission. Erase is 100% some shit tied to CODE with their fucking MK ultra child soldiers shit.

>>23668379
I mean, the producer has mentioned butterfly dream, which is all about "what is dream? What is real?" something we haven't seen in the show at all so far.

>>23668414
hopefully thats the case, tho so far we have seeing NOX! being just mad at CODE and ZERO for stoop as low as to dispose of compromised agents. and its not like ZERO is trying to defend himself against his accusations.


>>23668407
also i do hope the National secret is brought up in the future, it would be a big copout if the Erase capsem and the Knightinvoker are the secret and not part of it.

>>23668424
I think the National secret is having an org that brainwashes kids into becoming agents, either that or the world is a dream or both I guess

>>23668302
>But if we are really going into the territory of "hero is ostracized by his organization for agreeing with the mass murderer, and an evil lady comes to take charge" then we're just gonna get a repeat of Saber
Maybe it'd be for the better.

>>23668311
Because arrows are fast and are used to indicate speed in signs?

>>23668294
It's already barely distinguishable from Nox Knight

>>23668316
He will be a full fledged kamen rider next month. Nothing new.

>>23668395
I understand why Nox did it, since if baku just got scared and leave its one thing, but if he know too much he's now a loose end that CODE need to get rid off.

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So... how exactly does this form work?

>>23668407
Well clearly Erase must be a super strong Nightmare/Capsem that may have done more damage than good. The Invoke Knight System may have also been a prototype with a similar past.

>>23668550
He's already telling Baku that CODE is evil anyways, it's just that he's really dragging out the explanation as to why it's evil, to his own detriment, since being all mysterious just ensures that Baku continues getting in his way since he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about because he never elaborates further until the next encounter and just keeps creating more questions that way.

>>23668590
God i wish we got some situations like DMC 5 where the capsems nightmare is broken out and be one of the strongest enemy boss.

>>23668614
God, this current wave of tourists are extra retarded.

>>23668589
Boosting

Sex with Minami.

That catch the lightning scene is definitely on the upper end of upgrade acquiring scenes. Hope it'll stay in use for the rest of the show in at least the way Caking did and that the remaining forms aren't just straight up stat boosts.

>>23668286
I like they're going full on /x/ into the lore. We've now got a bunch of kids being trained up to create espers with dream related abilities and possible nexus of backgrounds for all the characters minus the cops who fumbled their way into the mess. Nemu and imouto are likely kids from the program until Nox and his allies did whatever he did against CODE to free them all.

>>23668682
I don't think she likes you, Zero

>>23668687
>That catch the lightning scene is definitely on the upper end of upgrade acquiring scenes
Which others are on the upper end?

>>23668694
Off the top of my head I'd say Zero One's in general did them great, Geats too, Hyper Kabuto and Ohma ZiO.

>>23668694
Both Survive debuts from Ryuki

>>23668245
Zeztz design just feels like a fanmade kamen rider to me. Those ones that don't have a strong theme to them and it feels like they just slapped cool shapes together.

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>>23668694

ugh it's him spamming this bs again

>>23668703
>>23668711
I think you might be confusing upgrade form debuts with upgrade acquiring scenes, unless I'm the one who misunderstood what anon meant.

>>23668689

That's a problem for him, he doesn't mind getting his hands dirty after all.

>>23668718
Yeah, you can't just stick to shitting up the general, you also need to pop up in every single Rider thread like the roach you are.

Somehow, Inazuma Plasma capsem doesn't feel like an upgrade because it's just a normal capsem with no extra bits

>>23668599
Because even if baku quit knowing CODE is evil he don't have any source to work on especially if nasuka and fujimi couldn't digged up anything with Nox meaning CODE erase all track of him.
But if Baku actually know any major information about CODE, he became a liability just like Nox especially since zero still see as not trustworthy to filled him in on anything major and he become someone that zero would sic Number Eight on just like what happened this episode.
And for what it is Nox does seem to care for baku and don't want anything bad to happened to him and his family.

>>23668687
>I like they're going full on /x/ into the lore.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought about that GATE creepypasta the moment they showed the "classes". I also hope you're right about it connecting the majority of the cast together.

Going out on a limb, I wonder if this isn't just about CODE indoctrinating children, but a superpowered arms race between forces trying to create a literal sleeper agent capable of warping reality in their favor.

New to this,
Do all big organizations in Kamen Rider end up being evil?

>>23668932
Always.

>>23668932
Almost always, specially with this writer

>>23668942
>Kuuga
>Agito
>Hibiki
>DenO
>OOO
>01

>>23668589
Seemingly the same as the other add on forms only this time for some reason it doesn't reassign the energy of the veins into other parts of the body but rather just enhances it
I hope they give Booster a limiter because otherwise it feels too OP to simply have a strict upgrade he can use whenever

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>>23668932
Yeah.

Well Gotchard’s Alchemy Academy weren’t evil, they just had a number of evil alchemists in their employ and as a whole were largely incompetent/inconsequential.

>>23668958
>Agito
The cops tried to commit mass murder in the last 5 episodes
>OOO
The Foundation caused the event in the first place, they're just the lesser of two evils

Otherwise you're right with the others since I think the only time Hiden Intelligence seemed villainous was in the movies and it wasn't really the organization as a whole just Aruto's grandfather being mean to his slaves for seemingly no reason

>>23668932
90% of the time. Like the power originating from evil, it's part of trying to keep the themes of the original series, since Shocker was this world spanning organization (that was also meant to be infiltrated in multiple parts of society, although GOD in X executes this part better) and it was the enemy of the Kamen Riders and their small group of allies working mostly alone.

Heisei series in their effort to be more varied than older Showa ones, started featuring some heroic Riders that are backed by organizations, but to go along with that theme the organizations always turn out to be outright evil or have a lot bureaucracy/corruption getting in the way of the heroes that they need to confront at some point of the show.

There are a couple of exceptions though, generally tied to specific creators. Kuuga has a very positive portrayal of Japan's police force as an ally for the Rider, and Hibiki also has a support organization behind the Riders that are purely helpful. Both series produced (and the story mostly conceptualized) by Shigenori Takatera.

Yasuko Kobayashi's written series (Den-O and OOO) also had good big organizations.

>>23668932
It's mostly Takahashi. He recycles a lot of plot and character elements. Like for example every one of his shows also has a good-hearted guy who's relentlessly bullied and humiliated by the more cynical/assholish "heroes" because he's "naïve" and is beaten down into a cynic himself. (e.g. Ex-Aid, Zero-One, Tycoon).

>>23668966
>The cops tried to commit mass murder in the last 5 episodes
Antagonistic, sure. Evil? Not really.

>The Foundation caused the event in the first place, they're just the lesser of two evils
Accident happens, they fully support OOO and humanity from start to the end.

>>23668932
In Reiwa yes. Zero-One is the only one backed by an organisation that didn't turn out to be corrupt and Gavv was an independent.

>>23668982
You post this fucking constantly but Aruto and Emu never ever become cynics. Also nobody who beats Aruto down is even vaguely heroic save for Fuwa.

>>23669010
>Aruto and Emu never ever become cynics
Ark-One and every time Emu is forced to act like a bully himself to put his bullies in their place.

>>23669044
>Ark-One
Completely entirely different from him "becoming a cynic", the entire point was to cap off the show's ultimate message about the cycle of malice, Aruto had to be pushed to the literal extreme and get fucked with by an eldritch God before he stopped being happy-go-lucky, and it's not like he went back on his ideals and decided he wanted to kill every Humagear, he just wanted to kill one. It's the only part of Zero-One that isn't complete dogshit too
>Emu
He was dealing with literal monsters who lacked the ability to understand humanity and normal emotions. They were only capable of understanding extremes, Emu would never ever have actually killed Parad, but beating the fuck out of him and actually putting him in his place was the only way to teach him a lesson. Once again, not even remotely close to him "becoming a cynic".

Also once again in both of these fucking examples Horobi and Parad aren't even vaguely close to being portrayed as heroic, you could maybe make an argument for Horobi being portrayed positively but that's mostly because Zero-One is maybe the worst written show ever. But Parad is pretty clearly portrayed as a villain who needed to be put in his place, not some kind of "gotcha!" to Emu's ideals.

>>23669062
>Aruto had to be pushed to the literal extreme
Yes, he got relentlessly bullied until Horobi did the deed that finally broke him.
>and it's not like he went back on his ideals and decided he wanted to kill every Humagear, he just wanted to kill one
The fact that he now wanted to kill Horobi instead of redeeming him is going back on his morals, he's even made aware that it would cause a bloody war between humans and Humagears but he didn't care because he wanted to kill Horobi that bad. It counts as becoming a cynic, even if just once. But that's not the only time, he almost kills S too out of desperation.

>He was dealing with literal monsters who lacked the ability to understand humanity and normal emotions. They were only capable of understanding extremes
Yes, he got bullied until he had enough and decided to give them a taste of their own medicine. He also did the same with the other doctor Riders when he manipulated them in the DKHZ arc, and almost strips Hiiro of his powers.

>in both of these fucking examples Horobi and Parad aren't even vaguely close to being portrayed as heroic
They got redeemed without facing any real consequences for their actions, just like other villains in their shows. And they weren't the only people bullying the MCs.
>you could maybe make an argument for Horobi being portrayed positively but that's mostly because Zero-One is maybe the worst written show ever. But Parad is pretty clearly portrayed as a villain who needed to be put in his place, not some kind of "gotcha!" to Emu's ideals.
Parado was arguing about the Bugsters' right to exist or some shit (which is just another example of Takahashi rehashing ideas) and then Masamune took over as the villain and threatened both humans and Bugsters, with his acts against Bugsters also being seen as cruel.

>>23669093
You strike me as one of those weird cartoon autists obsessed with bullying/mistreatment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baMVDhHoLPE
Episode video.

>>23669098
Nice non-argument, but if there's someone ossessed with bullying, it's Takahashi.

>>23668721
He didn't like the episode so he's doing this instead of making clips

>>23669128
You're also a mentally ill faggot, fuck off.

>>23669130
God forbid I give motive to his faggotry

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>>23668295
Really liked the episode, once again Kami's directing is top-notch and Baku continues to be a good protagonist. My only problem with this episode is the same as always which is Nox seemingly being vague for no reason, they're hinting that he's doing all of this because he gave up on humanity and his mission and now all he cares about is surviving and returning to the real world, but the problem with that is that it really doesn't make sense when they repeatedly state that the meteor Nightmare would destroy all of humanity, which includes him.
In general the Meteor Nightmare feels like an outlier since every other case of the week is either a person in high class society or has a job relating to a governmental power, but the case was just a kid with a shitty life that time. I just hope they give an explanation that makes sense for Nox's actions rather than Takahashi doing what he did with last show Geats where they tried to paint Micchy as an innocent person despite him having no idea he was doing the correct thing when he committed all of his crimes.

But at the very least the classroom revelation feels legitimately interesting and I'm interested to see how Nem being kidnapped will somehow relate to CODE.

>>23669099
huh, so they started to include the extra scenes; the one showing the Zeztz main weapon in its different modes, while the latter with extra scenes for the next episode.

>>23668614
Isn't Nox's Nightmare gonna be a reoccurring character soon?

>>23669252
It's just the monster of the week for this 2-parter. They need to kill it to get out of the dream world.

>>23669266
Shadow Nightmare might resurface with new power and tie in with Nox’s upgrade arc in early June.

>>23668961
>I hope they give Booster a limiter because otherwise it feels too OP to simply have a strict upgrade he can use whenever

Inazuma already has a limited charge. I wouldn't be surprised if Booster shortens its operation time.

So Odaka is a cop and also a secret agent and also a cram school teacher?

>>23669376
>Inazuma already has a limited charge.
So is he going to have to catch lightning again to recharge it?

>if the Rider's bike is the bad guy, then we don't have to do anymore bike scenes
Genius

>>23669579
I assume that he's a secret agent first while his other two jobs were only for his missions, at least his teacher job was definitely for a mission

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Is Baku going to remain trapped in the dream world like Nox for the entirety of Q2 while Nox goes back to the real world?

>>23669708
I would love that - would be a really cool parallel to how Rider 2 took over for Rider 1 in the original show. It would also give both characters chances to shine in ways they as of yet have not - especially Odaka who has had minimal character interactions with anyone outside of Baku.

>>23669708
Isn't he already back in the real world in the preview? Although I guess the agency exists in both.

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>>23668389
Tbh the guy needs some proper After Sex Kouta fit to look like a cool detective. But what he has isn't half bad.

>>23669882
That's showa attire anon, badass asf