How come Evangelion fans and Mecha fans can't ever find a middle ground of agreement? It's always either Evangelion revolutionized the genre, or Evangelion did nothing.
I feel like both sides are correct, but they always take their opinion to the extreme. Some Super Robot fans act like elitists around the show and feel like contrarians, and the Eva-only fans refuse to look any further than what they already know and just come off as uncultured or just never really have anything of value to say outside of them enjoying the avant-garde aspects of the show.
I feel like Evangelion haters are mostly made up from posturing twitter teenagers, who make Ideon and Turn-A Gundam their entire personality.
>>23670171>How come Evangelion fans and Mecha fans can't ever find a middle ground of agreement?You should just look into Eva manga/games/VNs/side material discussions because that's where the cool people are
It's just trolling and dumbass taking trolls seriously
>>23670206Mazinger might be more Real than even grandpa Gundam though
>>23670200Noticed that too, most communities tend to eventually shift to a contrarian state when something is either too popular or too underrated, and they act like that thing is way better than the popular thing.
>>23670204There are always good people on each side; it's just that they are harder to notice when they are in the minority and a lot less vocal.
>>23670217>>23670200Yeah you didn't go through the early years of internet where everything was EVA THIS or EVA THAT or anything and everything is an EVA CLONE.
>>23670224Which is the better outcome: everything being an EVA clone, or everything that isn't EVA sucks?But due to the current status of mecha anime, there isn't a lot to consider an EVA clone anymore... Unless GQUX fits the bill...
>>23670224Having a grudge against Eva for that is still a form of contrarianism.
>>23670171Evangelion ruined anime
They do. Those people just playing Super Robot Wars and collect bandai figures/kits quietly. So of course the discourse is louder than them.
>>23670228>Which is the better outcome: everything being an EVA clone, or everything that isn't EVA sucks?They would often claim both simultaneously.
>>23670219Oh I meant the both categories overlap and interact nicely in the non-TV/movie/secondary Eva layer
>>23670240That's... true
>>23670241That sounds pretty nice
We used to have enough mecha releases where we could pick from multiple sub genres, which meant it was petty normal for people to have preferences that didn't line up with other people who still liked mecha. Many fans of classic super robots didn't care for things l like Gundam. Some people liked series focused on characer drama, some people liked series focused on animated spectacles and rule of cool. Some people only liked more militaristic mecha series. But that's an oldfag problem. Now mecha is so rare you don't have to worry about sub genres, you get what you get.
>>23670252in scarcity... unity...
>>23670252Must've been fun... having nothing to look forward to anymore is a bit sad
>>23670229>Having a grudge against Eva for that is still a form of contrarianism.Perhaps but it's not one that's unprovoked.
It just doesn't have much in common with why I like mecha. The musics good.
>>23670236>The Adam and Lilith picture I commissioned five years back is being repostedAwesome. True story, Adam was supposed to be impaled with his lance folding his arms while Lilith was waving at him, very SpongeBob and Squidward dynamic. Also wanted an infant version of Ultraman Gaia for the lols.
>>23670171Eva was both a highly influential series and a largely derivative work. Both are true, a lot of things after Eva borrowed heavily from Eva buts its also true that much of the things people claim Eva brought to the genre were either already staples of the genre or were already explored in earlier works, often works Anno admits were influences on his work. So again both are true, Eva revolutionized the genre by popularizing tropes the genre was already familiar with and had explored before, but nonetheless left an indelible mark on it which many later series attempted to emulate.
>>23670290Reached a similar conclusion
>>23670200not really i just find evangelion and those shows boring
>>23670256You can always look forward to watch old shows, anon!
>>23670468>>23670256>>23670252Having both character drama and a battle of spectacles with Mazinger Z.
>>23670171Mazinger ZGetter RoboGundamRevolutonized the genreEva revolutionized the self insert gay MC trope.Any other opinion is wrong.
>>23670474Fucking kino
>>23670290>>23670200The thing people get wrong about the influence of Eva is that it didnt revolutionize Mecha but it did revolutionize the entire Sekai-Kei genre/trope/motif. The new-age telepathy/collective consciousness elements that develop through character drama and then express themselves in action battles like in Gundam and Ideon were still embedded in the greater context of war and societal conflict between people. Eva removes the drama from the context of war and society and puts it on a purely personal and interpersonal scale, thus the action linked to that drama stops being the image of an individual sucked up by the war machine like Gundam or Ideon and turns into the recognizable image of a singular protagonist working through their trauma and interpersonal issues resulting in changing society and the world at large. Its the fantasy of projecting your inner world into the outer world and the wish fulfillment of having power over both in equal measure. That and Rei is exactly the kind of character suitable to be the center of such a fantasy, passive and malleable enough to not be threatening while evoking a moe feeling but also having a vague suggestion of personal pathos that keeps up the pretense of being her own person.
>>23670171Evangelion revolutionised the genre by doing nothing
