If lalah never died would char have become as cool and level headed as frontal with his ideals?
>>23681891He would look for another excuse to justify his derangement. Char never loved Lalah.
>>23682220If we just look at UC without CCA, I think he is just a guy that wanted a mommy
>>23681891If Lalah never died, then Char would have. That's the entire fucking point.
>>23681891No
>>23681891I think Nanai proves that it doesn't matter who Char has, he was inevitably going to turn into what he did. The man has a black hole for a heart, he'd find reason to justify his actions no matter what
>>23683085But he meant well
>>23683185Road to hell is paved with good intentions.
>>23683185>>23681891Can't fix mommy issues without therapy when you're Char Funny that Amuro fixed his somewhere during 0079
again why do so many people misunderstand char? did origin do this? you people aren't acting like the world isn't turning into complete shit.
>>23683085If Kamille hadn't lost to jovian cock I feel Char would've wound up a little better
>>23682220>>23682251The point is he loved her but didnt want to admit it to himself so he could treat her like a tool for his Zabi-overthrowing/Newtype-revoltuion ambitions instead. Hes too insecure to let a woman that close to him and his ego and delusions of grandeur about realizing Newtypeism stop him from putting his goals aside for the sake of caring for a woman. He would rather they coddle him on their own like Lalah and Nanai so he doesnt need to set aside his own aspirations.
>>23684761Kamille's PoV feels so underexplored in Zeta. I'd almost want to say that Zeta should've been the first entry and MSG should've been a prequel after it.Imagine sperging out, fucking around, and stealing a research testbed MS, and then you get recruited into a shabby organisation and get a pseudomentor that's clearly full of himself but there's definitely more than he lets on, and he's just kinda creepy, was he some war criminal rapist during OYW? Do you turn your back to him?
>>23684775Unironically this is how I started, Zeta as the first installment is KINO watching. I went into Gundam knowing amuro fought char and that was it
>>23684761Your img is silly because what tripped Char was Sayla interrupting. Just straight up Anti-Char propaganda.>>23684698Amuro's issues lie elsewhere + he's autistic. In the end Amuro is a lapdog who holds no real ideals.Muh>the next generation will fix things!bullshit.>>23683085>>23682220Neither of these have any basis on 079. You're trying to analyze Pre-Lalah's death and Pre-Zabi's erasure Char through a Post-OYW lens.
>>23688718>Amuro's issues lie elsewhereHe definitely had 'em around Matilda, and Ramba Ral's wife, for a while Y'know maybe some Char's second "mommy" dying would fix Char, too. Bravo Tomino, development of character was all about getting enough of personally devastating relationship drama all along
>>23681891Char doesn't have ideals.
>>23684698Amuro didn't fix a damn thing about himself.By Zeta he's still a naive feddie lapdog hoping that the federation would reform itself after the shitshow that were the titans, which wholly demonstrated the lengths the federation would go just to win against Zeon, he sort of reconciles with Char after seeing how both have similar hopes for the future of mankind and young people like Kamille but that ultimately goes nowhere.By CCA he's an antisocial recluse again who only bothers to actually do anything when Char completely loses his shit and is ready to nuke the fucking planet, something he's directly responsible for after ditching him in his political struggle against the hypercorrupt federation with his "muh next generation will fix shit Char, just fucking trust me ffs", Hell Char himself directly states this in CCA when he completely loses it because Amuro isn't there to help him out and keep his worst parts in check like he used to.Char's problems is that he's a deeply traumatized man who never had a stable, intimate relationship with anyone who could help him get out of the shit he got thrown in by the Zabi family.Lalah fucking dies to save him and that only adds to the trauma, Artesia blacklists him and fucks off to sip cocktails and molest little girls, Kamille turns into a potato and Amuro fucking NEETs it up in the most critical part of their middle age crisis after lying to him about working together to fix shit in the earthsphere.That leaves him with Nanai who's just a gigantic fucking cope on his part and an attempt at getting a second Lalah which doesn't work out one bit and Char's fully aware he's deluding himself at that point.And at the end of the day both fucking die and turn into space dust because neither got over their traumas, both are deeply flawed men who lied to themselves and others on the regular, the only difference is that Char ruined more women's lives and Amuro is a bigger coward.
>>23681891>If lalah never died would char have become as cool and level headed as frontal with his ideals?Watch Mobile Suit Gundam GQuuuuuuX for your answer.
What if Char just settled down with somebody who is as equally horrible and fucked up as him?
>>23689207Your hate bones for Amuro should be studied
>>23689221I wonder who's behind this post.
>>23689234I don't hate Amuro, I think he's still the best MC in Gundam to this day with Kamille being a close second, but I don't share the delusions that most of /m/ has that he was a well adjusted individual who got over his issues.Amuro was the federation's own Char, with the only difference being Amuro got his friends in 0079 while Char got his friends in Zeta, both are horribly traumatized men that never got over their issues and eventually failed to overcome them despite managing to temporarily bond over a common and heartfelt interest in trying to save the next generation from suffering like they did.Char's coping through shitty, abusive relationships with various women he met in his life is the same behaviour Amuro has when he sweeps everything under "The kids will fix this mess" rug, both try to take action for the sake of the future in their own ways and both fail because they're not emotionally strong enough to face their own traumas.Char does it by becoming Kamille's mentor and trying to protect him and shape him into the capable man he couldn't become himself, Amuro does it by embracing his role as the hero of the federation and trying to fight the good fight from his own angle and staying true to his ideals.Eventually they both become two sad pathetic excuses of men, Char loses his adoptive son and gets abandoned by Amuro, the only person left he could consider a comrade, Amuro regresses to his early 0079 antisocial self after seeing how decades of efforts and sacrifices did not ultimately change the federation's scummy behaviour, PTSD and also being literally haunted by Lalah's ghost on a regular basis which to be fair would drive 99% of people insane especially when they're trying to have a relationship with a living woman.Char only gets a worse rep between the two because he's the "villain" and admittedly nuking a whole planet is still worse than trying to pass the buck onto the kids and pretending you couldn't do better.
If I was a woman I would rather marry Char than Amuro. 100%
>>23689221Genuine question. What if Char just settled down with Sayla?
>>23689351
>>23682220>>23683085This, Char is a psychopath who just devours everyone that comes his way and uses them as a flimsy justification for his morals, or lack thereof. He dresses himself up in people's lives, causes, and decorum to mask what he really is—a neurotic psychopath who wants to consume the entire world. That's why he's obsessed with Amuro. Char could never get one over Amuro. Even in death Amuro has the last laugh, because his hopeless optimism is made reality by Axis shock, as if life itself rejects Char's poorly-justified misanthropy.
>>23689361You really misunderstand the kind of person Char is.>Even in death Amuro has the last laugh, because his hopeless optimism is made reality by Axis shockThe existence of Victory alone makes this statement completely void of any sort of objectivity, and I'm not excusing Char for going full retard in CCA, he was wrong but Amuro was not right either outside of stopping the apocalypse he himself helped unleashing by not tardwrangling Char like he said he would.Even by Turn A's time (or G-Reco if you wanna include that) people are STILL being fucking retards over the earthsphere and the earth governments are still impossibly corrupted and incompetent so Amuro's "everything will turn alright by its own in the end" has been shown to be just as wrong as CCA Char's tabula rasa approach.Regardless, Amuro did what he had to do and stopping Axis was the only morally right choice at the moment, but his "hopeless optimism" was shown time and again to be just that and not a an actual solution to mankind's problems, Amuro's "hopeless optimism" did not stop things like Zanscare, it did not magically erase snakes like Guin from future history, it did not ease the tension between those living on earth and the space colonies, mankind kept repeating the same mistakes over and over until it fucked up BIG time and got forcibly reset back to the near stone age with the Turn A and the Turn X, and even after that the same things kept repeating themselves.Ironically, if G-Reco is effectively a very distant part of the UC timeline that would actually make Char retroactively correct by having the planet actually heal through moving a fuckton of people onto colonies, even if that also leads to said fuckton of people suffering from shit like diseases and mutations as a result and wanting to desperately go back to Earth which results into another round of shitfits, but luckily on a smaller scale.
>>23689356cute, sayla truly is best WB girl
>>23689375I wonder how the Proxima Centaurians are doing. I guess not good if they made the Turn X.
>>23689207>>23689271I don't think I've seen that much development from Amuro other than him in CCA still having hope for humanity despite being mistreated. I don't know how much responsibility he had in wrangling Char, but it IS heartbreaking that they actually did used to be friends.
>>23689361I don't think he was a psychopath or someone who wanted things to be the way they were in CCA.>>23689375As much as I love Gundam, I'd like to think that UC should have ended with the uncertainty of CCA, instead of us seeing that there are spacenoids yet again that are trying to fuck shit up, whereas the open and ambiguous ending gives you the hope that humanity could start doing better. Whereas it's sort of an uphill battle with Victory and Crossbone if you're trying to go "b-buh but humanity eventually could be better maybe" in the face of almost zero improvement.
>>23689490>I don't know how much responsibility he had in wrangling CharChar losing his shit was purely because Amuro fell into depression and left him to fight against the federation's bullshit alone, that also sent Char down an endless spiral of depression because he could do nothing to stop the feds' bullshit AND his only ally (who also had a long and troubled history with him that somehow ended on an earnest friendship in Z) left him alone, at that point in his life, without Lalah, Artesia or Kamille Char felt truly alone and hopeless.And this isn't really something nuanced or deep, pic related is Char literally saying it out loud to the audience, begging Amuro to show up and slap some sense into him before he fucking loses it entirely, Char was very emotionally dependant on Amuro post Z because he trusted him to be by his side, as the former hero of the federation and the legitimate heir to Zeon would symbolically unite for peace between the federation and the colonies, but Amuro got his own traumas and mental baggage that got in the way, he left Char to his own devices and Char ended up snapping.The tragedy of CCA is that both Char and Amuro were broken by the sad reality of the post war UC, Amuro tried to cope by retiring into his nerd cave and distancing himself from the world hoping everything would turn out right in the end, Char eventually lost it completely and tried to cope by doing Zeon stuff AGAIN despite knowing deep down that it was all fucking bullshit because he fucking saw what happened with the Zabis and Haman.But at the end of the day what could Char do? Amuro coped with his traumas by retreating into its own closed world like he tried to do in 79, Char coped with his traumas by trying to kill everyone who pissed him off like he tried to do in 79, in the end that's who they always were, deep down Amuro was always an introvert nerd and Char was always a man driven by revenge, which is why CCA happens, that's the tragedy of it all.
>>23689513>Char losing his shit was purely because Amuro fell into depression and left him to fight against the federation's bullshit aloneI mean, the karaba/Earth plotline sort of just faded away in Zeta to be fair>literally saying it out loud to the audienceNo yeah, CCA consistently spelled things out easy for us, either via Char or by Gyunei. But yeah, I think something like picrel shows that he's not an evil person, just a sad guy who's lost it all.>just returning to the shit that you're used to>but at least still hope that your friend might just give you the death that you both long for and don't feel you deserveI think CCA has my favourite Char even though he was doing his happiest and healthiest in Zeta. It did feel like Amuro was just mostly absent for a lot of the post-79 stuff but it probably feels intentional in hindsight of what you said. I think Katz is a wrong and silly child, but yeah sort of just living quietly in house arrest wasn't the life for a war hero... but it also completely makes sense that you wouldn't want to deal with any shit unless you were pushed to.
>>23688930he does, actuallyhe hates earthnoids
The voices of Char and Amuro back in 2016 and 2022.
>>23689375>Amuro's "hopeless optimism" did not stop things like Zanscare, it did not magically erase snakes like Guin from future history, it did not ease the tension between those living on earth and the space colonies, mankind kept repeating the same mistakes over and over until it fucked up BIG time and got forcibly reset back to the near stone age with the Turn A and the Turn X, and even after that the same things kept repeating themselves.Yea it did. People like Char are the Zanscares, Guins, Gyms, and Cumpas of the world. People like Amuro are Usso, Loran, Bellri & Aida, etc. The point of Gundam was never that humanity really needs to fix itself, it's to live believing that humanity will create a better future. Amuro's brand of hopeless optimism has always been the cure for evils like Char. >Ironically, if G-Reco is effectively a very distant part of the UC timeline that would actually make Char retroactively correct by having the planet actually heal through moving a fuckton of people onto coloniesChar was going to annihilate life on the planet. How big do you think Axis is? Anyway, the point of Turn A and G-Reco is that people find the strength to continue on even after their ancestors self-destructed. Both shows reject newtype utopianism. There's no final solution, just the persistence of life, even if it comes to an end some day. This is also the message of Unicorn btw. It's consistent with Tomino's messaging and it's why Tomino mentored Fukui during Unicorn's planning. >B-BUH MUH VICTORY>MUH HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSESoredemo
>>23689535>People like Char are the Zanscares, Guins, Gyms, and Cumpas of the world. People like Amuro are Usso, Loran, Bellri & Aida,Char has literally nothing in common with Fonse, Guin, Gym or Cumpa, the only person that might have something in common with Amuro is maybe Loran, you fundamentally do not understand either characters nor do you understand CCA.Fonse was a nutso running on logic that makes Contolism look reasonable, Guin was trying to squeeze as much personal profit from the conflict between earth and moon as humanly possible(e.g. a Fed), Gym was a literal LARPing weaboo, and Cumpa was a goody two shoes who had Fonse tier bullshit theories about human evolution that again, would make Contolism look like a passable ideology.Char was a war veteran who fought on both sides of the conflict and eventually lost all hope due to leading a terrible life and a bunch of things that were out of his control, CCA Char is a man trying his hardest to suicide by Amuro because he had nothing left in life, he's not an "enlightened" fundamentalist like Fonse or Cumpa, he's not a meathead cardboard cutout like Gym and most certainly he's not a snake looking for profit like Guin, he's just a broken man driven to the edge.>Amuro's brand of hopeless optimism has always been the cure for evils like Char.But people like Usso didn't have any of that, Loran, Bellri and Aida weren't motivated by hopeless optimism either, they were motivated by the same things that motivated Char in Z, to put an end to a bloody conflict fueled by two factions of retards that had nothing in it but their own greed and self interest.Usso in particular has way more things in common with Char than he does with Amuro down to the unquenchable thirst for underage brown women and he was not driven by "hopeless optimism" at any point in the show, he was driven by rage and the desperate need to stop the monsters who were butchering his family and loved ones.
>>23689207I agree with you, and it's great to see a kindred spirit here.But I must bring up,1. Amuro doesn't NEET up. It's worse than that, he becomes a spook for the feds.2. In CCA Gyunei says that Char had slept with multiple women while working as leader of the Newborn Neo Zeon. So Nanai is possibly not even a "cope pick" but a "pragmatic" one.
>>23689557NTA but I somewhat disagree with the other anon's characterisation of Amuro. He has more hope for human nature than Char but he's usually being driven by that immediate threat. 0079 makes pretty clear his core motivation is protecting those he cares about on White Base and then applying that same reasoning on a wider scale upon grasping what the Zabis really represent.The scene of everyone watching Gihren's speech and realising what they have a stake in beyond their immediate surrounds is one of my favourite in all of UC, just by the way.I think the tragedy of Amuro is that he could've probably done a lot of good if he wasn't constantly having to spend his time and eventually give his life to stop people from making things significantly worse.People can never make anything better if you don't give them a chance and that doesn't just go for the people on Earth he was protecting. That goes for every single life spent and lost holding the line. The kind of person willing to die fighting Axis or Neo Zeon when nobody else will is the exact kind you want making it up the ranks in the Earth Federation, agitating for change, leading a less genocidal resistance, anything other than having to give it all stopping a backslide.Char saw that but he simply became the problem in his effort to destroy what was in his eyes the root cause. He died failing to make anything better, but sure managed to help kill a bunch more people that could've.There's a bit of a dark irony in that.
>amuro postingand here i thought i could get a frontal wank thread
>>23690574Who the fuck would ever wank Frontal? He's the most comically literal Char clone while also lacking any of what made Char interesting. Char and Amuro are both much more interesting figures to discuss, both alone and in relation to each other.
>>23690601>Who the fuck would ever wank Frontalme. if only he was real
>>23690621Angelo...
Would Char be better off if he had a personal army of Purus like Glemy?
Camille would cuck him if Lalah survives
>>23689375>Amuro's "hopeless optimism" did not stop things like Zanscare, it did not magically erase snakes like Guin from future history, it did not ease the tension between those living on earth and the space colonies, mankind kept repeating the same mistakes over and over until it fucked up BIG time and got forcibly reset back to the near stone age with the Turn A and the Turn X, and even after that the same things kept repeating themselves.Ok but without hopeless optimism (which I have to argue for despite not really agreeing with it) you'd have the practically malicious tards just pile up on top of each other. There'd never even be any sorts of "good guys™ (sub-)faction" that all the UC protags since CCA had.Admittedly everything endlessly spiraling downwards into a "gu"/snake pit contest could be entertaining to watch.
>>23690922I want an AU/fic of this shitshow so fucking much. Proto-Iron Mask lolAlthough gkeks implies this would be unlikely
>>23689207Why there's an ongoing implication that Amuro was obligated to be Char's pocket therapist?See: >>23689513Char knew he'd disappoint Amuro, but he didn't care. Instead, he just kept going with the bullshit merely because Amuro wasn't there to take Char's responsibility FOR CHAR. Char is an egocentric cunt through and through even when he lied to himself that he "would" do better "if only" there was someone else to drag his shit for him.I'm 95% confident he'd backstab Amuro at some point even in the "buddy-buddies ever since talking at Argama" scenario. It wouldn't be a "betrayal" in his warped mind though since it's not like he was actually really close with anyone anyway, they were there just to hold his venom sacks while he's being all internally detached.He's exactly a Katejina-type mental wreck. Should have gotten therapy.
>>23688918I don't think having a crush on older woman as a young shounen equals having "mommy issues". All the boys on White Base had a crush on Matilda-san~. And my memory might be faulty but I think Amuro was just embarrassed by Hamon calling him handsome, was it not?
>>23691043>Why there's an ongoing implication that Amuro was obligated to be Char's pocket therapist?I mean, if you can't get something the show literally sings to you I don't think there's going to be much of a discussion going, you already decided CHAR BAD so why even make such a post?
>>23691087Therapy isn't lobotomy, dudeWhat do you think I have missed?
>>23681891>frontal with his idealsFrontal's just putting up a front for his nihilism.
>>23690919he had the opportunity to grab some while stealing Minerva away from Haman during ZZ but didn't
>>23691043yeah you can't take responsibility for Char but you can invite him to beach parties where you fuck his sister
>>23691195>Amuro tries to push back a giant fucking rock>Smarter Amuro avoids the Axis Drop altogether by impregnating Sayla, turning Char into the worst helicopter uncle ever but distracting him away from the Neo Zeon bullshit
>>23691341the issue with that is that Sayla needs to avoid federation intelligence and Amuro is absolutely covered in the fuckers
>>23689557>Fonse was a nutso running on logic that makes Contolism look reasonableDid he even have a coherent plan or ideology? All I really remember from Victory is him wanting to kill as many people as humanly possible.Jupiter people are weird.
>>23691390the lower ranked zanscare soldiers and officers seemed to think it was just another spacenoid independence war, not sure about the higher ranked ones since some of them were already crazy anyway or just power-hungry
>>23689490What's interesting is that in Zeta, Amuro comments/jokes about Char being a human sacrifice. But when Char mentions that only he can put an end to "Earth's gravity", Amuro calls him egocentric. Meanwhile Amuro speaks and speaks about Human Wisdom, while he himself just sat around scratching his balls while working as a sniff dog for the feds.>>23689513>begging Amuro to show up and slap some sense into him before he fucking loses it entirelyI completely disagree with your interpretation here. My understanding is that Char wants Amuro to sense him so that Amuro/Londo Bell would figure out he's scheming something and would try and intervene, therefore giving Char his theatrical duel against Amuro.A reminder that had Cameron not spoken to Bright, and had Amuro not encountered Char (due to Lalah guiding him), Londo Bell wouldn't have known about the Axis transaction until it was too late and Char would've easily won.And Char actually believes in his ideals, he wants Earth wiped. That's why he reacts the way he does even after losing his duel with Amuro. Axis is on route to crash into Earth, his plan was a success, and in a way he also achieved the death he desired, while carrying the burden of all the evil of erasing all humans on Earth.And I don't know where you got this>Amuro tried to cope by retiring into his nerd cave and distancing himself from the world hoping everything would turn out right in the end>Amuro coped with his traumas by retreating into its own closed worldFrom all we know, Amuro faced his fear of Lalah in ZZ by returning to space. And from there he helped build Londo Bell alongside Bright. And eventually got into a relationship with Chan.Happy New Year /m/
>>23690294In my mind Char shacks up with Nanai because it is 'looks right'. A beautiful Newtype researcher associated with Zeon, it makes him look like he has a power couple, good for the optics. Of course she's just a fangirl slowly realizing her rockstar revolutionary hero is a hot mess, and he's more interested in Amuro than anyone else throughout the movie.
Tomino should have committed with Newtypism in spiritual aspect>>23692131I just think Char is at that age for some men to look for younger women
>>23681891If CCA had been well-written you wouldn't even need Lalah to survive.
>>23689533we'll never see pictures like this again
>>23689533I love them so much bros...
>>23694899wdym?
>>23691973Here's to a happy year for 2026.
>>23683185he sure did have a funny way of showing it
>>23696706We've all been there though, right?
>>23684775Making me want to force my friend to watch it for the first time like this, will be fun to see his reaction
>>23702656my buddy crashed out when I tried that and didn't make it all the way through 0079he loved Zeta though
>>23681891No, he didn't really care about politics. His only ideals was getting revenge on the people who personally wronged him, and anything after that was projection that he cynically used to further his own goals. Full Frontal is some dude that was conditioned into being what Char pretended to be, and it turned out to be hollow contradictory nonsense that not even he really believed but had nothing else to live for without it.
There's a lot of things to consider imo. For instance, does Amuro live? That alone can influence things drastically in my mind. In any case I think even if Char successfully downed the Gundam and WB, Zeon still would have been defeated; the war lost. Sure Char and Lalah could escape to Axis (after double-bazooka headshotting Kycillia ofc), but with Lalah alive he has no reason to flee the Earthsphere in the first place.(at least that's how I interpreted it in Zeta, with Char being haunted in some way by Lalah). He could reveal himself as Casval Deikun in a defeated Zeon, but that'd make him target number 1 for the Federation. Plus by that point, he is the Red Comet, hero of Zeon. He got his revenge, he killed his rival, he got his girl. I don't think at that point Char ever really gave a shit about Zeonism beyond a general agreement to Spacenoid determination and the obv legacy he inherits. Char has never cared for politics. He outright despises it. He a soldier and it is the only thing he has. I'm sure Zeon remnants would start kicking up dust, and he'd keep a close ear to it. Because the moment he sees a chance, he'd jump right back into the cockpit. But who knows maybe Lalah could open his mind and spirit him away somewhere to explore their Newtype potential. But hell, maybe with Amuro dying, Lalah is the one who's forever changed. In that case, Char definitely gets back in the cockpit.If Char moves onto the grand stage, it'd probably be for the sake of Newtype theory. But of course, that'd be suppressed by the Federation. He'd be some spacey wackjob preaching about "muh understanding" who'd get got by fed spooks. But it's more likely he'd thrusts himself back into battle when given the chance.Point is, Char winning would not fix him because there is nothing to fix. Char is a pure of heart, a true ace.
>>23703729>He a soldier*warrior
>>23704415No. I absolutely meant soldier.
>>23704581I think Char has more the spirit of a warrior. He played around but he ultimately not served anyone
>>23704581>>23704592I agreed with anon in terms of the soldier bit where he's perfectly fine just participating in a battle and following orders or at least not having to think about stupid politics. Like how even after becoming the leader of the AEUG, he repeatedly and quite enthusiastically wanted to deploy and fight like everyone else. It's genuinely the one thing that he sort of enjoys in life, and I wonder whether he would have fared better in the G Gundam universe where his country would probably just pick him and let him go ham every 4 years.
>>23705306>It's genuinely the one thing that he sort of enjoys in lifeive always thought that he has the philosophy of ernst junger. he views war and violent conflict as inevitable and sees it as a transcendental experience
>>23688718>lapdog is when you dont support a self righteous tantrum turned complete earth wipeI thought this board was just doing a bit all these years but the amount of people here who unironically think Amuro was in the wrong is insane
>>23703729I can't imagine, if Char got the Zeong and had Lalah in the Elmeth backing him up, even Amuro would stand a chance.
>>23706792I hate you because I do not understand, explain your infodump to me immediately please
>No one looked>I walked by>Just an invitation would have been just fine>Said no to him again and again>First he took my heart then he ran>No one knows how I feel>What I say unless you read between my lines>One man walked away from me>First he took my hand>Take me home
>>23681891>If lalah never died would char have become as cool and level headed as frontal with his ideals?Full Frontal possibly.
>>23681891Maybe?
>>23706874Or else?
>>23706792>Colony Gundam that divebombs everyone
>>23707142meant for >>23705306
If you are ever confused about Char and Haman's relationship just listen to all of Rumors on vinyl.I am dead serious.
>>23706874for char, war is an extreme trial that strips life to essentials and forges disciplined, lucid character through constant proximity to danger, revealing human form and resolve without moral justification.
>>23691113Which is sexy anon
>>23689375Hathaway was right.
>>23689467This is the shit they're dealing with.
>>23691973>Amuro faced his fear of Lalah in ZZ by returning to space. And from there he helped build Londo Bell alongside Bright. And eventually got into a relationship with ChanHe never got over Lalah's death, she still haunts him in his dreams in CCA.
>>23707285Ok that sounds about right
>>23706874>I hate you
Gundam retards
>>23706814I don't think Amuro would stand a chance against this combo, even if he had the Alex.
>>23708988if Amuro is in the Alex then you've got Sayla in the Gundam, and I think that combo could do it
>>23711074You think ikeda sleeps with an amuro daki? I would
>>23708595No, it's sexier to rawdog it and not be a mess from it
