>>23689767
>Do I have this right? Did she accomplish anything at all?

Preventing a few more deaths, it isn't too much but for the people who could have died it means a lot, more resentment never helps.

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>>23689767
the fundamental flaw of the UC arc is that the Federation is wrong and holding back humanity.
Original Zeon was a sloppy reaction to this.
Zeta Gundam/AEUG half-assed this and didn't really lead to any meaningful reforms/catharsis/closure.
They are the main villains of the story and it needs to be addressed.

>>23689787
Actually, Char/AEUG's goal just kinda naturally starts happening as UC goes on, Earth becomes less politically important and more and more people move to space. By the time of Victory earth is basically just tiny rich people cities among massive woodlands with random immigrants squatting in the mointains.

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>>23689871
>By the time of Victory...

>>23689767
>Literally dodges responsiiblity

Yup, definitely what a kid raised by Char would do.

>>23689767
She truly is the Mitch McConnell of Zeon

>>23689787
The Federation was the only thing pushing humanity into space. Quess even says at the beginning of CCA that 11 billion people live in space, and Hathaway's Flash novel 2 or 3 mentions that there had been progress made and the federation's legislation to let politicians back on earth would reverse it. In Victory the Federation's seat of power is in Von Braun, on the moon. After Zeta, there was a quiet shift to space-first because of the AEUG's victory and they got everything Blex and Quattro wanted.

Turns out people will still fight each other even after opening up Pandora's box

>>23689906
It moves to the moon after/during the first Jupiter Empire attack in Crossbone iirc.

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>>23690175
Funny how in one timeline, her doing it actually made things worst.

>>23689767
>Did she accomplish anything at all?
Absolutely not, and in fact, everything Char or Full Frontal wanted happened in late UC. The Federation has basically no power by the time of Crossbone Dust and is just fucking gone by the time of G-Saviour.

>>23690278
And Zeon is gone too. I think Mars Zeon is the last we hear of them.

>>23689767
Try as he might, Fukui can never come up with a way to have his story or characters make meaningful change to gundam, since F91 and Victory already exist. Their very existence means nothing meaningful can be accomplished by Minerva, and that she must disappear. All Fukui has done is written expensive fanfiction.

>>23690281
Metatron in Gaia Gear was formerly known as Zi Zeon, but it isn't actually connected to Zeon as far as we know.

>>23689906
I think people sometimes mistake this for being pro-incrementalist. I take it as more kind of saying that you can't try and rush history. The EF wasn't gently made Good Actually by a few good apples, it just faded. Big shifts have to happen but you also have to be prepared for them to take time if you want them done properly.

>>23689787
By late UC, the Federation had essentially ceded all power to the colonies and given them soft-independence. And then you know what happens? They start killing each other.

>>23689871
Amuro was right that all people had to do was to wait it out

>>23690434
They were killing each other before they were independent too though.

>>23689767
Frontal's plan was evil and you know it.

>>23690625
No it wasn't and it eventually was put into practice as the Regild Century and everyone loved it and it gave us back sloths.

>>23689767
She seems to have basically ended Zeon as a militant movement in the Earth Sphere, though I’m sure that’ll get superseded

>>23689767
The funniest bit is, when the Sides finally didn't have to worry about the Federation, Zanscare showed up and raised hell. After that all ended, they still didn't unite and got into petty fights that nearly destroyed the ability to maintain colonies. To show how badly things degraded, colonies went from producing new ms for their exclusive use around UC 130, to scrounging together some old, busted models to make due.

Frankly, Co-Prosperity Sphere idea was never gonna work.

Japan could attempt that because they were the biggest and most powerful industrial nation in the region (outside of, well, outsider powers). It had the economy, industry, and defense to dominate/guide/lead the region to independence from western powers.

Sleeves and Republic of Zeon isnt. Nevermind the Federation, the zekes arent even the biggest fish in space.

That title belongs to the Moon. Untouched by OYW. Making shitton of money building war machines for both sides. Have the industrial might to produce all those machines. Not to mention the best technologies this side of AoZ Shenanigans.

And the Moon sure as hell is gonna oppose the plan to cut off one of their biggest customer.

And with the Moon backing out, no colony would follow Zeon. Hell, even if they did, the Co-Prosperity Sphere will still have a giant Moon-sized gap that allows Federation to break any attempt to isolate Earth.

>>23691301
in theory, the only way the plan was going to work was because earth needs the colonies more than the colonies needed earth. e.g., if it's mainly the rich that live on earth and not many laborers, it implies that the earthsphere economy mostly works by the colonies being the ones sustaining earth by growing food

let's say even though 0083 "never happened" or they just did a really pisspoor job of explaining the results of dropping a colony on north american granary, there's always been the ongoing environmental issues of desertification in UC and the earth being harmed by wars and colony drops and asteroid drops, so in the long run Earth was fucked and the environment would continue to deteriorate

>>23690281
There's a "Zabi Zeon" in Crossbone Dust, but it's about as powerful and legitimate an heir to Zeon as your HOI IV player is to Nazi Germany or the USSR

I've been watching all the Gundam series back to back with my dad and I have to say, Unicorn ended up being near the top in this context, easily our favorite OVA besides 0080. I didn't really care for it when it was airing but looking back I think the idea of "hurr never accomplished anything" is misguided from the perspective of having to have this perfect continuity with late UC. But who cares if F91 and Victory don't take it into account, those shows might as well be an AU. It's about the most appropriate arc-end to the feddie_zeon_newtype conflict as you can get.

>>23691469
They aren't AU though, which makes the ending of Unicorn tragic in retrospect. The early UC conflict is settled, people have a chance to pick up the pieces, but then the Crossbone Vanguard, Jupiter and then Zanscare take the newly reset table and throw all the dishes off for new retarded reasons.
G-Reco literally called this out, but the Universal Century is supposed to be looked at as a tragic period in humanity's history.

Cocaine body double mineva > real mineva

>>23689767
You need to weigh her inaction against the alternative and the loss of life action would have caused.
She accomplished four year of peace which she turned into a lasting reintegration of two embittered opposing forces.
I know it's not narratively interesting to have a character do nothing, but it is consistent with her character and goals.

>>23691894
Yeah placing your people back under the yoke of the corrupt and incompetent government of a dying planet so they can go back to exploiting your people to enrich it's ruling class of oligarchs was worth it cause otherwise some of them might've died

>>23691968
I'd probably agree with you, but I am not a naive teenage girl shouldering the responsibility of leading a faction out of the cycle of violence it has found itself locked itself into.
I also haven't gotten to V/crossbone yet so I've no idea how this works out for zeon in a historical sense. Somewhat like Mineva herself would have no idea how it'd turn out when she made those decisions.
Characters, at least when well written, are not gods that can see the entire plot, including the entries that take place in the future. They are flawed and make imperfect decisions based on their feelings, ideals, and the information available to them at the time. I never understand why people find this such a difficult concept to grasp.

>>23691968
The federation was falling apart on its own, by F91 its functionally unable to project power into the colonies. And if we’re counting Crossbone we see that the Side 3 colonies end up just fine.So in the long run reintegrating into the federation was the best move. And it makes sense contentually, since the message if Laplace’s Box was “the space colonies should be represented in the Federation government” and not “the space colonies should be independent”.

Also whenever the space colonies get independence they immediately start trying to kill everybody on Earth, so there’s also that to consider.

>>23692102
>the message if Laplace’s Box
By the Crossbone era, a group of newtype supremacists seem to have interpreted that as "Newtypes are the objectively the superior ubermensch race of the era and its their god given duty to guide the poor unevolved normals into the space age" and this mindset since to have persisted even in the Victory era too.

>>23691301
>Sleeves and Republic of Zeon isnt. Nevermind the Federation, the zekes arent even the biggest fish in space.
>That title belongs to the Moon
Not Jupiter?

>>23692347
Jupiter is the equivalent to UAE in space. They're a aingle-product economy, that being Helium-3, and can afford really fancy toys for tgeir small armies, and bribes for high up government officials, but 90% of their population live in slavery conditions and their manpower is low, they don't really have enough people for a prolonged war.
Anaheim owns the Earth Sphere. Not only do they make every single MS aside from tiny manufacturers like SNRI, they also make most consumer electronics. Phones, cars, TVs, hospital equipment, it's all Anaheim. Every important decision-maker in the federation is in Anaheim's pockets, even doing stuff like leaking SNRI designs to Anaheim. Anaheim effectively controls the Federation, and all the retired generals get cushy administrative positions on the moon.

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>>23690281
>I think Mars Zeon is the last we hear of them
*laughs in Jovian*

>>23691968
As opposed to killing a bunch of them so they can be exploited by a different class of oligarchs (except Anaheim who are the same)? The fact that you’re in a position where a 17 year old girl in a fancy dress gets to make these decisions in the first place seems like a solid indication Zeon isn’t actually for helping people

>>23692405
Dumb Char should have nuked the Moon in CCA

>>23691301
>Sleeves and Republic of Zeon isnt. Nevermind the Federation, the zekes arent even the biggest fish in space.
The Sleeves had enough resources to manufacture the Neo Zeong and the Kshatriya mobile armor. They had enough industry to maintain a small fleet of Zeon ships.

Republic of Zeon probably has the biggest production of all Colony Sides. Many colony sides were totally destroyed during the OYW or heavily damaged. The Republic of Zeon was left untouched. All their colonies and industry was left undamaged. So while they aren't bigger than the Federation, they are still the biggest of all the Sides.

>That title belongs to the Moon. Untouched by OYW. Making shitton of money building war machines for both sides.
>And the Moon sure as hell is gonna oppose the plan to cut off one of their biggest customer.

You are forgetting that the "Moon" is not united. Different major cities on the moon exist in Gundam with different loyalties. Granada was loyal to Zeon during the war and had Zeon sympathy afterwards. Von Braun was neutral during the OYW, but afterwards sold weapons to both sides via Anaheim Electronics. Then later turned against the Federation during the Gryps war. 0083 showed us that the different cities on the Moon don't like each other and often secretly compete or sabotage each other.

>Have the industrial might to produce all those machines. Not to mention the best technologies this side of AoZ Shenanigans.

It's questionable how much Industrial might the Moon has. Zeon controlled all of Granada. The rest of the moon was neutral. You would think an entire city dedicated to mass production that would be enough to turn the tide against the Federation during the OYW, but that wasn't the case. Jaburo was somehow able to outproduce ALL of Zeon combined (home colony factories, A Boa Que factories, Solomon factories, Granada factories, Odessa, California base factories, etc).

>>23695231
he didn't have any nukes and AE was the one who built his army for him

>>23695258
>The Sleeves had enough resources to manufacture the Neo Zeong and the Kshatriya mobile armor
Kshatriya was stated in Unicorn's dialogue to be a leftover from 0093. Only Anaheim's facilities on the moon can manufacture psychoframe.

>All their colonies and industry was left undamaged.
After the war, the Feds put limits on the size of the Side 3 defense forces and forced Side 3 to give up most of their armament production capacity, which includes A Baoa Qu, Solomon, Granada, Pezun, etc. Yes, they are still the Side with the largest industrial capacity even after the OYW.

>0083 showed us that the different cities on the Moon don't like each other and often secretly compete or sabotage each other.
Gundam Sentinel also had a minor city on the moon supporting the New Desides against the Federation.

>It's questionable how much Industrial might the Moon has.
>Jaburo was somehow able to outproduce ALL of Zeon combined (home colony factories, A Boa Que factories, Solomon factories, Granada factories, Odessa, California base factories, etc).
Industrial capacity of the moon during the OYW is not the same as after the OYW. Don't forget that Zeon had a lot of internal bickering and sabotage, Zeon's armament industries frequently competed against each other to the point that they couldn't agree on universal standards and had to be forced to unite efforts under the United Maintenance Plan. After the war, Anaheim not only inherited the Zeon weapon industries but expanded them and while Anaheim also has separate factions that cater to opposing factions, at least they don't compete against each other and they do share information and resources.

>>23695301
>Kshatriya was stated in Unicorn's dialogue to be a leftover from 0093.
The cockpit was. Not the entire suit.

>Only Anaheim's facilities on the moon can manufacture psychoframe.
Says who? Char made the Alpha Azieru without Anaheim.

>>23690561
Amuro's not just right, he's been right. People are moving off the planet over the course of the movie before they even find out about Axis, and Sweetwater was made to house war refugees from Earth and other Sides. It's why they're angry, they feel like they were kicked off the planet. It's insanely hypocritical for Char to prey on that anger when it's the result of what he wanted. Dude's just a scummy piece of shit. Impatient doesn't even begin to describe Char. He's just fucking with people's lives for the hell of it while pretending like he's doing it for the greater good.

>>23691968
The Side Co-Prosperity Sphere isn't a serious plan. it's just a way for Monaghan to hold onto people because he assumes he'll be in charge of the economic coalition. When the Federation takes over administration of Side 3 it would inevitably replace the leadership and Monaghan doesn't want to let go of his cushy job and prestige.

>>23689767
>when I'm not pegging banana
Is this what he means by Sore Domo?

>>23695366
You seem to be misremembering the story. Elite People who are already on living on Earth aren't leaving Earth. Sweetwater colony was built to house refugees from other colonies affected by war. The colony was a rush job by the Federation. Once it was built, the people were shoved in and forgotten by the Federation.

>>23695364
>Says who? Char made the Alpha Azieru without Anaheim.
That thing doesn't have psychoframe so that lines up with what he said

>>23695301
Sazabi also has psychoframe, it's what leads to Twilight Acis and Unicorn/Narrative in the first place. Hell, Anaheim only got Psychoframe because Char intentionally leaked it so Amuro could have a proper MS for their duel

>>23696078
>That thing doesn't have psychoframe so that lines up with what he said
Yes it does. Where in the world are you getting your information? It's a brand new mobile armor with psycho frame.

>>23696166
>>23696078
Fuck this "he said she said" nonsense. ANYONE post a goddamn source one way or the other or this is going nowhere

>>23696166
>>23696183
I'd be impressed if someone did post a source stating the Azieru has a psychoframe, that's the first I've ever heard anyone say this

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>>23689787
Correct. The implicit message of UC, taken as a whole, is that our protagonists are the bad guys.

Zeta sets up the idea that every human needs to move into space. This is apparently so common sense that even the leader of the Titans secretly supports it. The elite on Earth don't have a political base, no one wants to fight for them... except for our protagonists, who continually argue they are the lesser of two evils.

Yet every time our heroes squash a Zeon movement, a new one rises to take its place. We're lectured about the evils of autocracy, yet simultaneously told the Federation is effectively one as well. Depending on interpretation, the Federation is either so weak and corrupt it cannot be bothered to defend its citizens, or just as tyrannical as any Zeon regime. Why support it then? If you're going to be ruled by autocrats no matter what, why not side with the ones that agree with you on the big picture?

>>23695376
Maybe there's extra material in the novels, but in the OVA the Side Co Prosperity Sphere is treated as being a very practical and realistic. The only arguments lodged against it are idealistic ones, hence we can assume Full Frontal's plan is not far-fetched. Gundam lore is vague enough that we can simply assume what Frontal is saying about the economic power of the colonies is correct.

>>23689787
Speaking of different takes on UC history, do we have HoI4 mods or nothing but Gihren's Greed?

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>>23696383
>except for our protagonists, who continually argue they are the lesser of two evils.
I'd posit that Melanie Hue Carbine was the greater of the two evils (as Tomino designed).

>>23696542
I wish. It's been Gihren's Greed for me for decades now. You'd think someone would make another Grand Strategy game out of such an awesome series...
(I tried making a conversion mod for Starsector but the scope of the project is way too big for myself)

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>>23696542
There's a massive hoi4 mod being made from the ashes of the old OYW only one.

Release should be sooner as far as I know and covers a ton of content but primarily have in depth content for 0074-0082 with additional bonus content that goes past that

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>>23696712
One major change is that they made the minor factions all generally have some sort of focus tree, some have depth like Side 6, Von Braun, Granada, Pezun etc

And they cut up both the earth federation and zeon so you don't play as all of earth for example, which means you can specifically play as Dozle, Garma Kyciillia forces and have your own focus trees, which should be great for multiplayer

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>>23689875
Victory haters stay losing

>>23690278
>G-Saviour.
Not canon. I would argue the EF is still going to collapse anyway regardless due to what we see in Victory,Dust,Ghost etc. but yeah.

>>23696806
G-Saviour is an officially licensed work that they haven’t decided is a parallel or Another Gundam work, so it’s canon like Gaia Gear and Sentinel

>>23696078
>>23696183
>>23696201
You Gundam fans make me laugh. Instead of Amuro being a better pilot than Quess, now you are saying that he won because Amuro had better equipment? That Quess lost because she didn't have psycho frame, and thus her funnels were slower to react than Amuro's funnels? This is the stupidest thing I've read in 2026.

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>>23696052
>Elite People who are already on living on Earth aren't leaving Earth
The elites are stateless. They travel back and forth constantly. We see that in CCA where Adenuer gets priority seating on the shuttle to go meet Char and Neo Zeon where there's already the other Federation officials waiting. Earth is just a vacation spot. And either way, a handful of politicians aren't the problem. They number in the thousands. The problem is the masses and industry, which already mostly moved to space by around the time of CCA and Unicorn. The entire Co-Prosperity Sphere plan hinges around the fact that the colonies control the vast majority of the human economy and could just choke earth out economically.
>from other colonies
No, Char opens his speech by appealing to the fact they basically got kicked off the planet and remain so. Sweetwater is a mix of former earthnoids and other colonists.

>Once it was built, the people were shoved in and forgotten by the Federation.
Sweetwater is one of the nicest colonies we see throughout the franchise.

>>23696806
The Federation is basically destroying itself by moving everyone to space. The earth is big enough, but you can't govern people that are tens or hundreds of millions of miles apart. Given, they don't even try to govern. They barely even control their own military.

>>23696863
>No, Char opens his speech by appealing to the fact they basically got kicked off the planet and remain so. Sweetwater is a mix of former earthnoids and other colonists.

He's referring to current spacenoids. Which are essentially exiles living in space. He's NOT referring to current Earthnoids who refuse to leave earth.

The whole point of CCA is that Char is pissed at the Federation for refusing to honor their promises they made during Zeta Gundam to reform and allow the Earth heal. That Earthnoids refuse to leave the planet and went back to business as usual as soon as the Gryps war was over.

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>>23696201
I haven’t been in this thread but I looked into it. There doesn’t seem to be any evidence that the Alpha Azieru has psycoframe.

>>23696201
>>23696183
>Fuck this "he said she said" nonsense. ANYONE post a goddamn source one way or the other or this is going nowhere
Tell us where you got the idea that Alpha Azieru doesn't have Psycho Frame? What caused you to make this statement to begin with? And DON'T say databooks. I'm asking where in the ANIME is it implied or said that Alpha Azieru doesn't have Psycho Frame? Because as far as I remember, Char equipped his entire Newtype squad with Psycho Frame. That includes the Sazabi, Jagd Dogas, and Alpha Azieru.

>>23696920
>Nu Gundam explicitly has psycoframe
>Sazabi explicitly has psycoframe
>the Jagd Dogas explicitly have psycoframe
>there is no indication anywhere, from any source, that the Alpha Azieru has psycoframe
It's not really up for debate - unlike whether or not the Alpha has an I-field.

>>23696887
>He's referring to current spacenoids. Which are essentially exiles living in space
No, no he's not. He's addressing Sweetwater.

>He's NOT referring to current Earthnoids who refuse to leave earth.
Learn to read.

>The whole point of CCA is that Char is pissed at the Federation for refusing to honor their promises they made during Zeta Gundam to reform and allow the Earth heal. That Earthnoids refuse to leave the planet and went back to business as usual as soon as the Gryps war was over.
No, it's Char looking for a way to "punish" people because he has a god complex and thinks they're insects upon whom he should cast judgment. CCA, Hathaway's Flash, Unicorn, and Victory are all in alignment with the Earth being depopulated after Gryps and largely being depopulated by late UC.

For one, Char's plan is literally start a nuclear winter extinction event with Axis. The "Earth" isn't going to recover from that. Almost everything living on it is going to get fucked up, not just humans.

And Hathaway's Flash just straight up says you're wrong

>>23696887
From novel 3, Hathaway's speech
>If these measures pass in Adelaide, it will snuff out any hope of Earth's nature returning. Then, the purpose of humanity overcoming hardships and moving to the space colonies will be lost. Think about it. If a bill for tens of thousands of privileged classes who want to return to Earth is passed, it's simply that the number of people returning to Earth will increase tenfold. Remember once more, humanity, which rapidly increased only in the last century of the old century, inflicted near-fatal wounds to Earth itself. Moreover, currently, not even a century after the start of space colonization, Earth's seas are still contaminated with residual chemicals. Even the rain is still mixed with chemical substances. Not to mention, the lives of plants and small creatures are far from fully recovered... What does that mean? That's right. Humanity must not return to Earth yet. Yet, the Federation government is beginning preparations for humanity to return to Earth, and before that, they are trying to secure their vested interests. That is the true nature of the conference being held in Adelaide."
>Think about it. If a bill for tens of thousands of privileged classes who want to return to Earth is passed
The bill only gives tens of thousands of elites the right to live on Earth. Everyone else was marked for removal. That's a fact.
>Not to mention, the lives of plants and small creatures are far from fully recovered
Earth is on a path to recovery. And by the way, Char's nuclear winter was going to kill most of these things.
>Humanity must not return to Earth yet. Yet, the Federation government is beginning preparations for humanity to return to Earth
Earth is already mostly empty by the UC0090s. Mafty's concerned because humanity will return to Earth and fuck up the Earth's recovery.

>>23696930
>No, it's Char looking for a way to "punish" people because he has a god complex and thinks they're insects upon whom he should cast judgment.
nah unc doesn't have the strength of self-concept for that
he's hoping if he has a big tantrum mommy (nanai or cosmic lalah mommy) will punish him and set boundaries

>>23696929
What is your evidence?

>>23696183
Your argument makes no sense. Why would Char downgrade Quess from a custom Jagd Doga (which does have psychoframe) to Alpha Azieru (which you say doesn't have psychoframe)?

>>23689767
Holy fuck how are people too stupid for Unicorn of all things

>>23696940
>Your argument makes no sense. Why would Char downgrade Quess from a custom Jagd Doga (which does have psychoframe) to Alpha Azieru (which you say doesn't have psychoframe)?

Exactly. Anons can't address this GLARING issue, and refuse to respond. Because it makes NO SENSE.

This is why I ignore databooks when it's not supported by the anime. Psycommu is old technology by 0093.

If Alpha Azieru used psycommu, then it wouldn't be able to keep up with Nu Gundam. Amuro in Nu Gundam would have smashed Quess in 30 seconds. Psycommu can't keep up with Psycho Frame. It's old technology.

>>23696940
>What is your evidence?
That there is no existing evidence, either in the movie or in any of the novels or in any databook or likely even any game that the Alpha Azieru has psycoframe. You might as well be arguing that every Geara Doga was loaded up with psycoframe too.
>Why would Char downgrade Quess from a custom Jagd Doga (which does have psychoframe) to Alpha Azieru (which you say doesn't have psychoframe)?
Because it has far more firepower. Psycoframe is an improved psycommu, it isn't some miracle material that grants wishes (yet).

>>23696957
NTA. Psycoframe is just a compact, cheaper evolution of old psycommu systems. The benefit comes from having more of the chips because they're microscopic (smaller). It's like how CPUs went from giant vacuum tubes and analog components to silicon, or from single core to multi-core. I honestly assume all psycommu after UC0093 just uses psycoframe frame because it's going to be cheaper and more energy efficient. You can just put less in if you don't need that much sensitivity. Also the alpha azieru has the psycoframe in G Generation Genesis

>>23696957
>or likely even any game that the Alpha Azieru has psycoframe.
Several games have Alpha Azieru equipped with psychoframe.

>Because it has far more firepower. Psycoframe is an improved psycommu, it isn't some miracle material that grants wishes (yet).
That doesn't answer my question. Yes it has more firepower. But why wouldn't Alpha Azieru not have psychoframe? It's not some hard to manufacture material. Nu Gundam originally used psycommu, but they did a last minute swap to psychoframe once they got their hands on the blueprints.

Didn't Unicorn Gundam say there were leftover spare psychoframe cockpits from Char's Rebellion? Kshatriya uses one of them. That means Char made numerous psycho frame cockpits. So it makes no sense for A.Azieru to use old tech if Char had a bunch of spare psychoframe cockpits.

>>23696972
Didn't I just say it was an improved psycommu?
>I honestly assume all psycommu after UC0093 just uses psycoframe frame because it's going to be cheaper
That's not how miniaturization works, and also the Unicorn novels state that Neo Zeon had no ability to manufacture psycoframe - it all had to be produced by Anaheim at their Granada factory.
>Also the alpha azieru has the psycoframe in G Generation Genesis
And it doesn't in World or Overworld.

>>23696976
>That doesn't answer my question.
Your question was why would she be upgraded from Char's spare Jagd Doga to a mobile armor, and I answered that.
>But why wouldn't Alpha Azieru not have psychoframe? It's not some hard to manufacture material.
Yes it is, Neo Zeon had no ability to manufacture it and had to have it built to order by Anaheim.

>>23696988
Gundam Perfect File suggests that Kshatriya uses a prototype psycoframe cockpit that AE made, and that the suit is generally impossible for the Sleeves to maintain because they can't manufacture psycoframe.

>>23696988
Those were surplus, Anaheim made more than Char actually bought

>>23697003
>Your question was why would she be upgraded from Char's spare Jagd Doga to a mobile armor, and I answered that.
No. That wasn't my full question and you know it. Obviously everyone knows mobile armors have more firepower. I'm asking why Char would downgrade Quess from a Jagd Doga, which has psychoframe, to Alpha Azieru which you claim does not have psychoframe.

Keep in mind there is a huge performance difference between psycommu and psychoframe. The response time is supposedly much faster. Char thought Nu Gundam with psycommu was weak and disappointing. But Nu Gundam with psychoframe was enough to match or defeat Sazabi.

>>23697014
Kshatriya was built by Neo Zeon. Not Anaheim.

betcha that nu doesn't have movable frame

"it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't have it" is not a valid answer. this is the same fucking universe that claims nu only requires a 3 megawatt reactor to power everything

>>23697021
and gyunei still got his psycoframe-equipped jagd doga BTFO by the psycommu-less regz

>>23696976
Which games do? Games that actually have psychoframe as a ability like G generation genesis doesn't give Alpha Azieru that ability

>>23696920
>>23696940
>>23696950
What do you want me to say? You're the ones claiming it does, all I can say is that no material I can think of references that machine having psycho frame

>>23697021
>to Alpha Azieru which you claim does not have psychoframe.
You say this as if it's ever been stated to have it anywhere. You're just baselessly claiming that it must have it. Again, by your same argument, every Geara Doga must have been loaded with psycoframe too.

>>23697025
The parts were all Anaheim surplus. The machine was put together after CCA, obviously.

>>23697028
Genesis gave it psycoframe, prior games didn't.

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>>23697003
>Yes it is, Neo Zeon had no ability to manufacture it and had to have it built to order by Anaheim.
>generally impossible for the Sleeves to maintain because they can't manufacture psycoframe
If the Sleeves can build TWO full Neo Zeongs with Psycho Shards and multiple I-field generators, then they can build Psycho Frame.

>>23697041
Counterpoint: They merely purchased the parts and assembled them.

Nigger acting like a kid having legos means he's got an ABS plastic molding factory in his goddamn house to manufacture them

>>23697027
>"it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't have it" is not a valid answer.
Yes it is a valid answer because the anime surpasses whatever databook nonsense you are quoting. Char gave his newtype squad the latest gear and equipment. Their newtype machines were fresh off the assembly line. Literally a line directly from the movie.

>this is the same fucking universe that claims nu only requires a 3 megawatt reactor to power everything
The databooks you are complaining about having conflicts are the same databooks you are quoting as evidence to win an argument. We call that a logical fallacy.

>>23697045
When Unicorn Gundam destroyed large parts of Kshatriya, they were able to repair it by returning to their Neo Zeon HQ at Palau asteroid. So Neo Zeon clearly still has construction capabilities. Maybe not as much as they had in the past, but Neo Zeon still have some.

>>23697041
Actually glad you brought that up. The Neo Zeong is explicitly stated to not have the psycoframe needed to actually use the psycoshard, and that's why it depends on the Sinanju being docked inside. Even despite the fact they were able to build two of those, they were unable to actually manufacture psycoframe for them - it's that complex to actually build.

>>23697057
Databooks aren't needed to disprove the Alpha Azieru having psycoframe, because there's no evidence it has it in the first place. It's just a baseless claim.

>>23697063
Yes, but I don't see how repairing the Kshatriya's wings could prove it is also manufacturing psycoframe for the Neo Zeongs.

>>23697057
You saying that is not the same as the actual screenshot. I don't give a shit about any text you put into a post any more than you give a shit about the text in my post.

>The databooks you are complaining about having conflicts are the same databooks you are quoting as evidence to win an argument. We call that a logical fallacy.
No fucking duh. Do you finally realize why taking you at your word is something that will never happen?

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>>23697057
>Yes it is a valid answer because the anime surpasses whatever databook nonsense you are quoting
Okay

>>23697086
>Databooks aren't needed to disprove the Alpha Azieru having psycoframe, because there's no evidence it has it in the first place. It's just a baseless claim.
The evidence is the fact it's able to keep up with Nu Gundam in a direct battle. Which you keep side stepping and ignoring. You know we are right.

>>23697100
WHAT

A

COINCIDENCE

What about the evidence that Gyunei's jagd doga was unable to keep up with the Re-GZ?

>>23697086
AE didn't invent Psychoframe. It was created by Neo Zeon research labs. Then Char leaked it Anaheim Electronics because he was disappointed with Nu Gundam and wanted Amuro to have a better suit.

>>23697114
Too bad Neo Zeon still couldn't manufacture the psycoframe they invented.

Otherwise they wouldn't have needed Anaheim to give it to Amuro. They could just give it directly to Amuro like they did in Beltorchika's Children.

>>23697100
>The evidence is the fact it's able to keep up with Nu Gundam in a direct battle
How do you figure? He trivialized her, shooting down her funnels and hitting her with the beam rifle while she failed to even scratch him.

>>23697114
Correct. Nanai developed it, and lacking the means to actually put it together, it was passed on to AE's Granada factory for manufacture. Then leaked to the Von Braun factory.

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>>23696800
they are never going to make Victory mainstream.
the designs are retarded.
fucken roller wheels?

>>23697105
My evidence is the fact that once Kayra Su became the pilot of the Re-GZ, the suit got smashed by Jagd Doga in 30 seconds.

>>23697152
>bringing pilot skill as evidence of whether a unit has psycoframe or not

Then all I need to do is point at Quess in the cockpit and say "same thing bro"

psychoframe should have allowed her to shoot down the rocket that chan fired at her

or react faster to push hathaway out of the way

but nigga, let's be honest, what do you think happened there?

>>23697105
>What about the evidence that Gyunei's jagd doga was unable to keep up with the Re-GZ?
???

It's the reverse.

It's very clear that Amuro is the only reason Regz was able to somewhat keep up with the Jagd Doga.

>>23697128
>and lacking the means to actually put it together
Citation needed.

>>23697148
Needs more cannons.

>>23697245
Mobile Suit Gundam UC: The War After the War. Psycoframe is something only Anaheim can build, and Neo Zeon isn't able to openly deal with them any more - so they have to arrange a backroom deal to get the Sinanju Stein.

>>23697086
Anon, the reason AE is the "only company" that can manufacture Psychoframe in Gundam Unicorn is because AE used their influence to get the Federation to legally ban all other companies from manufacturing Psychoframe. It has nothing to to do with technical expertise. After Char lost, AE seized all data and information on Psychoframe and got the Federation to ban it. A ban that applies to every company EXCEPT Anaheim Electronics.

How convenient! A monopoly enforced by the law and backed by military force of the Federation.

>>23697326
Let me get this straight. You think the terrorists known as the Sleeves, aka Neo Zeon, don't manufacture psycoframe solely because Anaheim patented it, and not because they lack the resources and/or expertise to make it.

>>23697329
Incorrect.

Neo Zeon aka the Sleeves can and DO manufacture Psychoframe in small amounts. in Unicorn, Neo Zeon just can't match the scale or power of Anaheim Electronics. The Sleeves could probably make a few handcrafted masterpiece mobile armors with Psychoframe, or a few small batches of mobile suits. But AE can probably make a few dozen suits for every 1 suit that Neo Zeon could make.

It also doesn't help that Psychoframe is effectively banned by the Federation. No other company is allowed to compete against Anaheim Electronics. A small independent company in a colony, even with the right materials, is banned from researching or manufacturing Psychoframe.

Which is funny because there's no ban on psycommu.

>>23697342
>Neo Zeon aka the Sleeves can and DO manufacture Psychoframe
They do not.

>>23697342
Did the Sleeves build the Neo Zeongs? Because each one has a massive psychoframe ring bigger than most MS

>>23697346
The psycoshard is essentially an amplifier for psycoframe, and needs an MS equipped with it to serve as its 'core' for it to function. Hence the Sinanju (Stein) is needed and it isn't a standalone mobile armor.

>>23696572
what the actual fuck Tomino

>>23697357
Coming from the future... where's the lie?

>>23697345
>>23697329
>>23697128
>>23697121
>>23697350
Anon PLEASE.

Psychoshards are incredibly advanced future technology from another dimension. The soul of Char gave it to the Sleeves from Newtype Heaven because he was still unhappy with humanity not evolving fast enough. The Gundam Narrative movie from 2017 confirmed all this. It's far more advanced and more difficult to create than simple Psychoframe. The tech from the future of an alternate and more advanced hesvem dimension. If the Sleeves can build Psychoshard, then they can build much simpler Psychoframe.

>>23697411
>The tech from the future of an alternate and more advanced hesvem dimension
The tech is* from the future of an alternate and more advanced heaven* dimension for newtype souls.

I typed too quickly.

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>>23697411
I refuse to recognize Unicorn and its derivatives as canon, and the setting works much better for it

>>23696710
>>23696712
How's the combat? Minovsky particles? Base jabbers? Transforming and full armor purging MS/MA?
t. played Gihren Greed but not hoi4

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>>23697417
Funny you mention this, given the Neo Zeong manual specifically points out the contradiction in them being able to produce something on that level.

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>>23697426
I don't know how it would be in the newer mod, but I do know it won't be like Gihren Greed

>>23697427
Well that databook was written before Gundam NT came out. So it's out of date now. Psycho Shards are now magic technology crystals from Newtype heaven.

>>23697426
In practice putting mobile suits in hoi4 would almost certainly just be tanks with high stats and fewer terrain penalties
Aka you punch through an infantry line with your air support, drive around an enemy force and encircle them, then mop up the encircled force with whatever you have on hand (often your own infantry, but tanks will certainly do it faster if you have more to use)
Make sure your logistics are fine and move up to do it again
Gundams operate similar to aircraft in the anime, but in Hoi4 this would be very boring because air combat is brainless in Hoi. Just design the best planes you can, train up the crews, and send them to an airport and air zone. Basically no real gameplay. So mobile suits would be modified tanks to make the game fun.

>>23697484
>>23697427
>>23697417
You really feel the manual writers just gave up and wrote a wizard from heaven did it. Where as before it was the manipulation of minovsky particles, quantum/advanced brainwaves, and a miracle that happened due to many human souls resonating with each other to push a rock back.

>>23697148
You are posting a vehicle made by people who have been in space for 150 years, that only know about the Earth's surface from books.
It's supposed to be retarded, just like Zeon 's naval MS. They don't have a tradition of fighting on that terrain, so they make amateur mistakes. The designer was into Motorcycles, so he figured it would work well when upsized.

>>23698116
Why do you think I'm going to take your absurd apologetics seriously? How much yarn do you have to stretch to make this narrative seem "real"?

>>23698122
Not very much as it was explained in the show? The person who pushed for the literally rode off to the afterlife on a bike with his dead GF

>>23698126
The verisimilitude is awful.
It'll never make it mainstream because it's not "real" enough for Gundam UC fans.
Stop trying to take dogshit and make us eat it; we're not.
You wasted time watching that fucken show. Just like ZZ.

>>23697426
>>23697483
Here's a list of countries (which currently exist to some capacity) and their focus trees on release (note they are measured by how unique they are, so a " Full Custom Tree" is a tree which is not used to any degree by another country " Partial Custom Tree" is a tree which shares content with another tree, but also has unique content, while "Generic Tree" is for countries which will use the mod's generic tree)
Earth Federation:
Earth Federation Government - Full Custom Tree
Earth Federation Forces - Full Custom Tree
European Union - Full Custom Tree
“Kingdom” of the Middle East - Full Custom Tree
Africa Confederation - Full Custom Tree
South Seas Alliance - Full Custom Tree
Hindustan - Generic Tree
Titans - Full Custom Tree
Europe Karaba - Partial Custom Tree
America Karaba - Partial Custom Tree
Jupiter - Full Custom Tree

Sides:
Side 1 - Semi-Generic Tree
Side 2 - Semi-Generic Tree
Side 4 - Semi-Generic Tree
Side 5 - Full Custom Tree
Side 6 - Full Custom Tree

Luna:
Granada - Full Custom Tree
Von Braun - Full Custom Tree
Aires - Generic Tree

Zeon:
Side 3 - Full Custom Tree
A Baoa Qu - Full Custom Tree
Solomon - Full Custom Tree
Pezun - Full Custom Tree
Axis- Full Custom Tree
Europe Attack Forces - Full Custom Tree
North America Attack Forces - Full Custom Tree
Asia Attack Forces - Partial Custom Tree
Oceania Attack Forces - Partial Custom Tree
Africa and Middle East Attack Forces - Full Custom Tree

>>23698171
Earth Zeon Remnants:
1st Division Remnants - Partial Custom Tree
Zeon 8th Army - Partial Custom Tree
Zeon 9th Army - Partial Custom Tree
Zeon Alaska Remnants - Partial Custom Tree
Zeon Oceania Remnants - Partial Custom Tree
Zeon Pacific Remnants - Partial Custom Tree
Zeon Asia Remnants - Partial Custom Tree
West Coast Zeon - Partial Custom Tree
East Coast Zeon - Partial Custom Tree
Zeon Crimea Forces Remnants - Partial Custom Tree
Benelux Zeon - Partial Custom Tree
Artic Zeon - Partial Custom Tree
Alpine Zeon - Partial Custom Tree
Zeon North Afrika Remnants - Partial Custom Tree
Zeon East Afrika Remnants - Partial Custom Tree
Hell’s Gate - Partial Custom Tree
Invisible Knights - Partial Custom Tree

Space Zeon Remnants:
Jupiter Zeon Remnants - Full Custom Tree
Delaz Fleet - Full Custom Tree
Cima Fleet - Generic Tree
Falaq - Generic Tree
Free Zeon - Generic Tree
Wolfs Hammer - Full Custom Tree
Mars Zeon - Full Custom Tree
ReZeon - Full Custom Tree
Zeon Lunar Remnants - Generic Tree
Earth Separatists:
Africa Liberation Forces - Full Custom Tree
Russian Restoration Army - Full Custom Tree
Italian Liberation Front - Full Custom Tree
Don State - Full Custom Tree
Zapatistas - Full Custom Tree
Kuban State - Generic Tree
Chechnya - Generic Tree
Ex-EFF Warlords (Varying) - Generic Tree
African Warlords (Varying) - Generic Tree

>>23698173

NeoZeon & Remnants:
Haman’s Neo Zeon - Full Custom Tree
Glemy’s Neo Zeon - Full Custom Tree
North America Neo-Zeon Attack Forces - Partial Custom Tree
Africa Neo-Zeon Attack Forces - Partial Custom Tree
Zeon 6th Field Army (NeoZeon Europe and Asia Attack Forces reinforced by Remnant Forces) - Partial Custom Tree
NeoZeon Africa Remnants - Full Custom Tree
Reborn NeoZeon - Full Custom Tree
New Summer Project - Full Custom Tree
Haman Forces Remnants - Full Custom Tree
Glemy Forces Remnants - Full Custom Tree
Legacy Fleet - Full Custom Tree
(note most not all trees will be released complete, and each tree which is released complete has multiple paths to follow, which may change the country's name, they may also have one tree which will change to a different one depending on how the OYW plays out, especially in a-historical scenarios)


They posted this recently, to give a idea of how many potential factions/routes exist it seems

>>23698169
>It'll never make it mainstream because it's not "real" enough for Gundam UC fans.

The most mainstream UC Gundam is the one with the crystal powered time-traveling space god.

>>23698255
Actually it's G-keks now. Which is even more "super" (thx Lalah)

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>>23698255
yeah I'll admit they went overboard with the Newtype magic shit.
That's because they don't want to resolve the plot and end the wars.
At least Tomino gave us closure with Ideon's ending... (I think he wanted this for the Gundam series but realize that Bandai would have him killed for killing their golden gunpla goose)

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>>23696939
What about daddy?

>>23698173
>ReZeon - Full Custom Tree
based

>>23697148
They're reviving the ancient medieval tradition of motorcycles, you pleb.

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>>23698289
>At least Tomino gave us closure with Ideon's ending... (I think he wanted this for the Gundam series but realize that Bandai would have him killed for killing their golden gunpla goose)

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why is the psycoshard suddenly being touted as a pinnacle of technology from another dimension brought by the spirit of Char?

it lost to the psycoframe. the psycofield the psycoshard shits out is inferior tot the psycofield the psycoframe shits out.

>>23700755
>why is the psycoshard suddenly being touted as a pinnacle of technology from another dimension brought by the spirit of Char?
Because that's what it is. Go watch Gundam NT.

>it lost to the psycoframe. the psycofield the psycoshard shits out is inferior tot the psycofield the psycoframe shits out.

It didn't losr. Psycho Shards depend entirely on the will of the pilot, their desires, and their determination. Psycho Shards grant wishes. Full Frontal could have won and killed Banagher and Riddhe if he Full Frontal wanted to and make them disappear. But Full Frontal was obsessed with breaking Banagher's spirit and having him agree with his viewpoint. So Full Frontal instead wished for them both to have "no weapons".

Then FF took Banagher's on a trip through time to make Banagher see that humanity is filled with war and violence, and that his peaceful Side Co Prosperity Sphere plan was the best plan moving forward. He believed that seeing all this war and death would break Bansgher's spirit and make him agree with Full Frontal. However Banagher revealed his inner "hope" which countered Full Frontal's nihilism. FF sensed that hopeful "warmth" and decided to give up on his peaceful plans to control humanity and die. So the Psycho Shard granted that wish. Which is why the Neo Zeong disintegrates and self-destructs.

>>23700813
>[Speech 100] Sore demo...!
>[Success] Oh shit, you're right. I guess I'll just die then.

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>>23700813
nah, Unicorn already was beating up NeoZeong with its hands way before traveling through time, also it shit out a psycofield that destroyed NeoZeong hands way before they travelled through time. Neo Zeong and the psycoshard can only manage to destroy weapons remotely. it didnt even perform any single miracle. Neo Zeong and the psycoshard a shit

if you watch NT, Phenex contained a hyper explosion. Unicorn and Phenex and even Narrative rewinded time with a wave of a hand, Neo Zeong can't do shit.

Psycoshard just allows cyber newtypes to exhibit newtype powers, but its still inferior to the real thing psycoframe who only needs a small amount of it to perform miracles while psycoshard needs a lot of it and still be bad at it.

>>23700836
This isn't some Dragonball Z power level battle. The story is more subtle.

>nah, Unicorn already was beating up NeoZeong with its hands way before traveling through time
Because Full Frontal doesn't actually want to win the fight. Full Frontal wanted to convince Banagher to admit he was right and join him.

Zoltan lost because:

1. His anger was hollow and weak. Deep down he just wanted to be happy and respected. He was resentful he was discarded by Neo Zeon scientists as unsuitable.

2. Zoltan's single soul was fighting against two souls.

3. His couldn't fully control the Neo Zeong, and his mastery of the Neo Zeong wasn't as great as Full Frontal. Zoltan was more of a brute.

4. Zoltan gets more mentally unstable as the fight goes on and he can't maintain focus.


Lastly, Rita herself admits that the Neo Zeong is far more powerful and dangerous. It is technology that current humanity isn't meant to have right now.

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>>23700950
Gundam has been dragonball z shit since the first one. Kamille doing hyper beam saber and waverider crash is like goku doing kaioken x20 on vegeta. Judau doing a hyper mega cannon on Quebeley is like goku doing a kamehameha on cooler to the sun

Rita deemed Zoltan's Neo Zeong as dangerous because Zoltan is a psycho who doesnt hesitate to push the nuclear button and the Neo Zeong is an equivalent to the nuclear button. Unicorn, Phenex and Narrative are far more dangerous as a weapon as they can shit out a psycofield that rewinds time. they are not dangerous as Neo Zeong because their pilots are not psycho like Full Frontal or Zoltan. Neo Zeong has nothing can compare to the sheer power that Unicorn possess. Unicorn can theoritically shit out a psycofield to send back everything to medieval ages by rewinding everything,

>>23700835
I mean, is that any different than Scirocco casting newtype curse at the last minute? It's just applied psychic empathy.

>>23701012
>Rita deemed Zoltan's Neo Zeong as dangerous because Zoltan is a psycho who doesnt hesitate to push the nuclear button and the Neo Zeong is an equivalent to the nuclear button. Unicorn, Phenex and Narrative are far more dangerous as a weapon as they can shit out a psycofield that rewinds time.

There's a fundamental flaw to your theory. If the Unicorns were "stronger", Rita's soul wouldn't have stayed behind in the Phenex for years if that were true. She specifically said that the Neo Zeong was a dangerous weapon that current era humanity was never meant to have. That's why she stayed behind as a lingering soul. She didn't care one bit about current era humanity using the Unicorn Gundams. Thus your logic is flawed.

>>23700835
>[Speech 100] Sore demo...!
>[Success] Oh shit, you're right. I guess I'll just die then.

Pretty much!

Although I think Full Frontal just decided to give up on life because he was tired of living. He tried his best, but realized no one would listen to him. So he left.

>>23701100
>No one would listen to him
Didn't he have his own femboy completely devoted to his teachings?

>>23701115
Angelo is not a femboy, he's just a twink with weird dominance/submission issues. AKA most twinks.

Can we bring back Tomino to manage the "CCA to F91" era transition? He might be a bit wacky at times, but at least he creates interesting stories and moves the plot forward in meaningful ways.

Whoever writes Gundam now creates super bland characters like Banagher with zero personality. If Unicorn Gundam didn't have amazing animation, then I wouldn't have bothered to watch it.

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>>23701093
if you actually watched NT, you'd understand.

from the very start, Rita already saw that NeoZeong will cause problems. she masterminded everything so she will be the one to be lobotomized and get her soul absorbed into the Phenex so she can prepare it for Jonah to fight NeoZeong with. if she didnt get absorbed, they will not have a Phenex (Phenex would probably assigned to another unit), and Jonah is too weak of a newtype to fight and defeat NeoZeong (the twist was all three of the miracle children are newtype, its just that Rita is more than Lalah levels of newtype)

By having Phenex with newtype soul of Rita, Jonah's newtype power is supplanted with Rita and easily defeats NeoZeong, like in 1 minute tops. Jonah's newtype power is weak that even if Narrative C-packs is filled with the exact same number of psycoframe as Unicorn (the databooks and model kit confirms this) he can't shit out a psycofield and has to hold hands with Phenex so Rita can share its power.

as to why Unicorn isnt a dangerous weapon, if you watch NT, you'd know that it was sealed. so no one uses it. and the pilot of Unicorn is not a psycho like Zoltan.

TL:DR; psycoshard sucks, psycoframe is supreme, Zoltan is a psycho, Jonah is a shit newtype and pilot, Rita prepared Phenex with her soul for Jonah to defeat Zoltan

>>23697411
This shit is okay and animated in theatrical quality but Crossbone is too much because it *checks notes* doesn't suck off Zeon?

>>23697148
Literally one of the most effective ships in the franchise.

>>23701160
I don't mind Crossbone, but I don't understand why it insists on being UC Gundam. It would probably better off not being tied down with all the baggage from UC.

It would be a perfect AU. Pirate Gundam fighting invaders from Jupiter? Sounds great.

>>23701202
Because it's the 2nd half of F91?

>>23701139
Then why does his MS wear high heels and a skirt?

>>23701216
Not good enough.

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>>23701218
all the Crossbone pilots are gay because their MS has stilettos

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>>23701163
and if you let me write, I could make the Dobday landbase badass as well...

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>>23701595
Too late

>>23701614
That Odessa Battle from IGLOO was a high watermark; they really fleshed it out with the set pieces (including the semi-useless foot soldiers/cannon fodder)

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>>23701618
for its time it wasn't even high effort but I'm kinda sad we'll never have anything like it again

>>23701618
>That Odessa Battle from IGLOO was a high watermark; they really fleshed it out with the set pieces (including the semi-useless foot soldiers/cannon fodder)
Heck no. They could have made an awesome battle with both sides grinding into each other. Instead they ruined the Odessa battle with those stupid super guntanks.

>>23701645
that was just one section of the whole battle theater.
like S-field in A Baoa Qu where Amuro & Char fought

>>23701145
I hate NT even more now, thanks.

>>23701074
Scirocco's last gasp was at least justified because it's one of Tomino's motifs of war leaving deep scars on everyone. Fukui's problem is he's trying to escalate everything JJ Abrams style but it's confined in the middle of Gundam's timeline. It's why NT trying to justify Psychoframe technology being "sealed away" is bullshit but it was the Unicorn itself that kept spamming magic powers because Fukui couldn't write something more subtle.

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Will UC ever be freed from the yoke of how fucking stupidly written Unicorn is?

>>23703009
Tomino yelled at Fukui behind closed doors. So we at least have a chance.

>>23703009
I just find it incredibly stupid that late UC villains tend to more ridiculously evil and murderous than ones from the zeon era but we're now forced to assume that they were too nice to use forbidden psychoframe in their mechs that have autonomous civilian slaughter drones or nuclear funnels.

>>23703129
They already had to justify those people not using Psychoframe after it teleported an asteroid away from hitting earth.
Also I'm pretty sure Angel's Halo uses Psychoframe.

>>23703317
You just undid your own argument. Pushing Axis away and the Angel Halo used thousands of people to accomplish a miracle. The Unicorn was doing magic all by itself.

>>23703336
Still is Psychoframe that the Crossbone Vanguard, Jupiter Empire(s), and Zanscare didn't use in mobile suits. Given Zanscare may have had it for AH, it's weird they didn't give it to their Newtype troops.

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>>23703317
>Also I'm pretty sure Angel's Halo uses Psychoframe.
I haven't heard of any evidence of that. In fact, we see a very similar weapon in use before psycoframe was ever made.

>>23703476
A) That is basically Angel Halo. They implied AH is a direct copy.
B) That is from the isekai Sirocco manga and is much less canon than even Crossbone
C) That was designed by Jupiter for Sirocco before Psychoframe existed. The updated version could still use it instead of Psycomus as it is more efficient.

>>23695259
Char had a ton of nukes, it's a plot point
the Axis thrusters are powered by nuclear bombs btw

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>>23706871
it's a fucking plot point that char shouldn't have any nukes at all and amuro and bright were fucking confused how char even powered up 5th luna's engines, for all we know they blew up some geara dogas to jumpstart the nuclear pulse engines

then they literally went out of their way to show that char had to surprise attack luna II just to steal nukes from it so that he could get nukes to axis

>>23706913
Didn't they show in other Gundam anime that colonies can provide laser energy to charge up nuclear engines? I'm sure many colonies would be happy to help char.

>>23701623
even if it's "weird" and "uncanny" by modern standards, sadly the animation here is probably better than a hypothetical all-3D gundam series we'd get 22 years later

>>23706978
now if only they bothered to show it

>>23689767
Nope, you're 100% right. Full Frontal's plan was wise. MIDeva's plan and actions were retarded.

>>23706913
NTA. Did you actually watch this scene or do you just have this one specific screenshot? Because Bright suggests that the Federation gave Char nukes. And literally right before this Bright says that the Federation who knew about the asteroid drop already abandoned Lhasa.

The whole shtick is that Char was collaborating with the feddie elite all along. He gets everything he wants but it's not good enough.

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>>23709047
What are the chances that, despite the popular psychoframe-on-psychoframe psycho field gay post-CCA interpretation, Tomino intended a conspiracy from feddie elites that ended up outplaying Char by secretly loading the sold Axis with loads of psycommu as they expected that even in worst case scenario Amuro would try to come in contact with Axis and try something? All within a ploy to strengthen their control under another "war on Zeon remnants terror" narrative.

>>23706985
Any good™ modern 3D animation out there dealing with this subject matter? Just to figure out if people just don't like the models style or rendering

>>23700835
It's not even that Full Frontal agrees or accepts Banagher's argument, it's the fact that Banagher would still choose to have faith even after being shown the futility of the future and man's inevitable decline and even the end of the universe. It's maybe unintentionally a very religious answer to Char's cosmic nihilism. He has no answer for someone who looked death in the face and didn't blink. It's like the devil tempting Christ. It's meant to be a spiritual defeat rather than a rational one. And this is the 2nd time this has happened no less. Amuro gave him Char the first taste of this in CCA.

>>23709253
The conspiracy is that the Earth is basically a failed society with mostly stragglers on welfare and the Federation would be happy to be rid of them even if it costs them the planet. Them having Earth as a vacation spot is a happy accident. They knew exactly what Char was going to do with Axis and they wanted it to happen because not only did the Federation become space-first after the AEUG won the Gryps conflict, the colonies were being taxed to support the poor on Earth and it was causing political tension. Amuro and Bright even talk about how the Federation fleets won't get involved because they're afraid riots might break out in the colonies. No one in the Federation cares about Earth except Londo Bell.
>Axis with loads of psycommu
Kinda doubt it since they just outsource everything to Anaheim Electronics and Londo Bell spent the last 2 years sweeping through space for suspicious activity.

>>23709526
Your interpretation is completely backwards. The Federation's power base is Earth. Their priority is Earth first and always. Colonies must support the damaged Earth with food shipments and supplies.

>Amuro and Bright even talk about how the Federation fleets won't get involved because they're afraid riots might break out in the colonies.
Lmao. No. The Federation is afraid to move the fleets because Char is giving speech and inspiring rebellions across space. The only way the Federation can maintain order is by parking entire fleets with huge garrisons of troops at colony sides. And even then it's only barely working as evidenced by the fact the Colony's defense laser defense system was destroyed by rioters during the opening of the movie.

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>>23709957
No. No it's not. Hathaway's Flash confirms humanity is mostly moved off Earth and they're trying to stop a bill that will let humanity remigrate back to it too early. By late UC the Federation is based on the moon. Earth in Char's Counterattack is already powerless. Every bit of it is falling apart while the shittier colonies, like Sweetwater are idyllic, quiet, clean, and modern. Even Bright's family lives in squalor on Earth while Char lives in a massive hillside villa easily accessible by working public transit on a makeshift colony that was thrown together. Sweetwater is literally considered to have been haphazardly thrown together and it's one of the nicest areas shown in UC up to this point.

>Their priority is Earth first and always
Providing basic welfare doesn't make someone a priority. It's a basic function of modern governments. Earth can't even maintain roads.

>The Federation is afraid to move the fleets because Char is giving speech and inspiring rebellions across space
For one it's not "The Federation." It's the fleets attached to the colonies. We see they can act autonomously because two of them decide to approach Axis before the final battle begins and then after Chan's psychoframe goes off and reaches them they decide to send backup. But either way everyone in space wants to be rid of the Earth including "the Federation" and its people. Or at the very least, they don't care if everyone dies or not.

>rioters during the opening of the movie.
Those weren't rioters, they were soldiers. They wear Neo Zeon pilot suits with the Neo Zeon normal suit colors and helmet. They have gun holsters attached to their sides.

>>23710067

I'm sick of arguing with people and their strange headcanon.

>Hathaway's Flash confirms humanity is mostly moved off Earth
No it doesn't.

>By late UC the Federation is based on the moon.
No they aren't.

>Earth in Char's Counterattack is already powerless.
More made up shit.

>Every bit of it is falling apart while the shittier colonies, like Sweetwater are idyllic, quiet, clean, and modern.
Unicorn counters this narrative.

>Even Bright's family lives in squalor on Earth while Char lives in a massive hillside villa easily accessible by working public transit
Living on Earth is considered a luxury far greater than in a colony.

>For one it's not "The Federation." It's the fleets attached to the colonies.
They are Federation fleets. They are funded by the Federation and operated by the Earth Federation Space Force.

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>>23710092
>No it doesn't.
Hathaway's broadcast in novel 3
>Earth's seas are still contaminated with residual chemicals. Even the rain is still mixed with chemical substances. Not to mention, the lives of plants and small creatures are far from fully recovered... What does that mean? That's right. Humanity must not return to Earth yet. Yet, the Federation government is beginning preparations for humanity to return to Earth, and before that, they are trying to secure their vested interests. That is the true nature of the conference being held in Adelaide.

>No they aren't.
You've invented entire shows in your head or you're just a troll.

>>23710172
I think that he's saying that Unicorn somehow factors into discussion about things Tomino worked on and what they were going for is the giveaway that this discussion isn't going anywhere productive.

>>23710172
Victory Gundam is NOT CCA.

There is a 60 year difference between the two anime.

>>23710092
The Federation moves the government to the moon after the second Jupiter Empire invasion. Harrison convinces them to move while the rest of the cast is trying to stop the Jupiter cannon that was aimed at the Earth.

>>23710216
Even if it did Unicorn doesn't really show colonies being bad, not withstanding Neo Zeon vaporizing kids. And Palau isn't a colony. It's an old mining asteroid that's not so secretly controlled by the Sleeves and supported by the Republic of Zeon.

>>23710067
>Hathaway's Flash confirms humanity is mostly moved off Earth
Nah you are thinking of Victory. Your memory is confusing two different shows.

>Earth in Char's Counterattack is already powerless.
Earth wasn't powerless. Deep down they just didn't take Char seriously. From the Feds perspective, a guy with 14 small ships isn't a threat to the Federation which had hundreds of ships. He's an annoyance.

>Even Bright's family lives in squalor on Earth
It's not that the Federation is poor. It's that Bright (and his family by extension) is regarded poorly by the Federation's top brass at the time. It's clear they gave the Noa's the worst government housing they could find. We know that Londo Bell is very underfunded and underequipped with only 4 ships and they weren't allowed to have any access to previously built Gundams (like Zetas or ZZ Gundams).

A lot of what Zeta, ZZ, and CCA shows us is that despite the Titans being gone, the Earth Federation is just as corrupt and incompetent. If you aren't favored by the top leaders, then you get treated poorly even with a high position like Bright has.

And Bright is too much of a straight laced soldier to call them out or fight back with his own political tricks. Bright thinks that following the rules and defeating Zeon on the battlefield will make everything alright in the end.

>>23701623
>it wasn't even high effort
The shit you gotta read here...

>>23711871
they made it for a fucking museum event and it didn't even get a wide release until the fan response was overwhelmingly positive