>>23696814
>most important leader of Universal Century
I’m pretty certain that’s Gihren

but she didn't do anything

>>23696822
>do nothing
>win

Oh look, it's this thread again.

Banagher canonically taps that.

>>23696814
>>Historical record goes down as the most important leader of Universal Century
Why is she unremembered then?

>>23697600
Because Unicorn is a shitty fanfic. The only good thing that came from it were your dubs were the few moments touching on all the cruelty feds inflict on Colonies. Which balances out the cartoony villain shit the OYW spin-offs added to Zeon.

She did something? I assumed the writers had to make her disappear or choose a quite life or something cause the rest of the timeline does not account for her influence.

Laplace's Box is pure liberal idealism and that's the actual reason that Unicorn fails to make any impact on the timeline
>dude secret law
>the Federation flag has gold fringe on it so Newtypes have rights
>if we just tell people about this it'll change everything
Actually the Federation will just ignore it (also the Federation has been a walking corpse since Loum and Stardust Phase I but whatever)

If Fukui wanted to tie the show into late UC he should have made the Box some kind of technology. "All the Sides have it now and that's why the Federation is actually just dead by the 0150s"

>Behold! I have proof that the federation LIED!!
>Oh. Won't they just continue to lie about it?
>...Uhm, we'll just pretend we don't know what it is, so it still seems important.
This somehow created a secret cabal that always existed and influenced the entire UC timeline despite not existing at all in prior fiction.

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>>23697663
She's ruling Zeon as of Narrative so she didn’t just quietly disappear, we don’t know exactly what happened to her after that

>>23697769
>She's ruling Zeon as of Narrative so she didn’t just quietly disappear,
Doesn't Zeon quietly disappear though? Outside the mars splinter faction.

>>23697833
Mars Zeon/Oldsmobile lasted longer. I'm wondering if Unicorn 2 would have a Zeon Civil War as a major plot point

>>23697898
Who are they gonna have a civil war with? The complacent zeeks demilitarized.

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>>23696822
>>23696901
>Actions lead to multiple colonies declaring their independence from the Earth federation which has been worn the fuck down by conflict after conflict

>Colonies start infighting and a warring states period in space begins

>Most bloodthirsty of them all is a religious cult that plans to murder everybody and everyone that doesn't worship their figurehead queen

>Said bloodthirsty cult manages to cause more death and destruction than all iterations of Zeon and the Titans

Just remember that next time one of y'all niggas post "Mineva did nothing". It's her fault late UC became a shitshow. It's her fault for the eventual technological decline and rise of CONSENT, and it's all her fault humanity is on the brink of starvation hundreds of years later.

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>>23697764

Under Mineva the conflict between the federation and the sides end. The only conflict afterward is with the Jupiterians that have a completely different breed of space autism.

What makes this meme supposedly funny is that the "chad" is an unapologetic sycophant.

>>23697728
The conspiracy is only giving a face to Anaheim being the biggest war profiteers in human history.

>>23697715
In the first place the law is a vague ass line about letting newtypes participate in government.
Which can literally just be giving them a single seat in parliament and letting them run some shithole colony as the representative.

Zeon is desperate if they think that gives them legitimacy.

>>23698144
It's a Fukui problem, and it's a problem that a lot of people who are naive about politics have. Law means nothing if no one enforces it but Fukui thinks that "honoring the original intent of the founding document" is a thing that matters, so if the UC charter intended to let Newtypes or Spacenoids run the government then lol lmao I guess we better do it.

I would say that Zeon is just inherently legitimate and justified so they don't need the hidden article, but that's me being a Zeek shill. As a matter of politics, you're right that nobody would give a shit about it. Fed shills wouldn't change their minds and Zeek shills wouldn't change their minds. What would actually be needed is a material change, like the technology thing I mentioned.

>>23697833
It officially reintegrates with the Federation, yes, but that’s what Mineva wants to happen

>>23696901
>do nothing
>Zeon splits into 4 factions and enters a civil war
>By the end of it all they're sitting ducks before MaHA

She couldn't lose any harder

>>23698183
>so if the UC charter intended to let Newtypes or Spacenoids run the government then lol lmao I guess we better do it
but it still didn't happen even after they revealed it so isn't the final lesson in the end that it didn't matter jackshit?

>>23698221
The fuck are you talking about, that never happened

>>23698223
Did they even reveal it? My recollection is that Banagher and Mineva decided to suppress it because umm uhh we just have to trust the process and use it as LEVERAGE to make the Federation REFORM or whatever

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>>23698227
No she revealed it in a big speech at the end of Unicorn, you may be confusing it with an SRW version

>>23698224
>4 factions
delaz fleet, axis fleet, mars zeon, not sure which one he thinks is the 4th other than maybe the remnants scattered on Earth but they're not united and are just individually hiding out

>civil war
there's the haman-glemmy war that split the neo zeon forces, and if you subscribe to expanded lore then I guess there's also the puru faction fighting with mars zeon. to a lesser degree there's the politicking and scheming in CDA but I'm not sure that's a full-on civil war although there was an MS battle or two

>sitting ducks before MaHA
I thought manhunter only goes after illegal civilians and all they had were the piddly surplus jegans fitted with machine gun crotches. gaia gear painted them as another sort of titans-esque attempt to take over the EF, but that's gaia gear which is like 100 plus years later.

>Surely if we prove that the Federation don't honor their word, they will suddenly begin honoring their word.
This didn't make sense even as a Zeon apologist.

>>23698227
nigga are you for real

I think you completely lost the plot because that literally did not happen at all

>>23698247
most people see it less of a way of making the federation be good from now on and more like a retarded time-travel excuse to say zeon was right to rise up and enact ghiren's secret plan to cull the population under the pretense of gaining self-governance

>>23698279
This, its not about the Federation changing, it's the fact that Zeon's sovereignty was basically supposed to be given to them from the get go. It gives them legitimacy in the eyes of the same government that just spent 30 years trying to sweep them under the rug.

>>23698224
>that never happened

This the importance of actually reading Late UC...

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>>23698224
Read nigga, read.

>>23697952
Oh but that is actually the fun part, it proved that no matter where humanity is, it will continue to wage war so it saves us time from listening newtype hippies.

>>23698288
>>23698290
That was after the federation collapsed, that’s the whole point of Dust. We see Side 3 a decade or so earlier in Ghost and it’s doing fine. It was specifically the disintegration of the federation that caused this breakup

>>23698285
>It gives them legitimacy in the eyes of the same government that just spent 30 years trying to sweep them under the rug.
But that goes back to
>>23698247
Why would they suddenly honor legitimacy just because someone found some old paperwork they can (and seemingly did) deny up and down?

>>23698290
>hasegawa
let's make a deal then, you gimme a rundown on that and let's also add in the other factions like True Federal, Clan, Storm, the ninja tribes from hidden shadow of G, etc

>>23698243
>>23698254
Oh shit that's right. Forgive me, it's been a while and I was mad enough about what the Box was that I may have suppressed the memory.
Proves my point though that the series is fundamentally IR liberal brained. Dude rule of law lmao, dude constitutionalism lmao

>>23698317
>moving the goalpost

kek

>>23698367
I'm making the goalposts as wide as possible to accomodate fucking crossbone of all things

>>23698370
>Grrr Crossbone not canon but my time travel crystal robot is!!!

Christ alive. You UC fudds will eat shit just to avoid the concept of "fun".

>>23698378
unironically this. if I wanted fun, I'd read Astray

>>23697900
Force the Zabi remnants and Neo Zeon loyalists into battle along with the Ronah family and a newly formed Crossbone Vanguard

>>23698370
Crossbone is the most "canon" treated Gundam manga outside of maybe the F90 series.

>>23698454
Canon yes, but I sure as fuck don't appreciate it.

>>23697964
Zanscare is a side, they may have had some jupish backing but the Zanscarlicans are 100% earth spacenoids, not space spacenoids.

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>>23697715
>>23697728
It really feels like Unicorn is an unfinished story ,especially when Narrative's OVA ends in a cliffhanger. Like a Unicorn sequel story tying it into the greater UC space and leading into Late UC has so much potential.

How did Mineva handle the Republic of Zeon folding back in the the Earth Federation?
How exactly was the ban on Psychoframe tech implemented?
What were the reactions of the general populace to the Laplace revelations and how did the Federation manage to get away ignoring it without increased unrest?

You have potential there but this story just doesn't exist. It's like there is a storyline gap between Uniocorn+Narrative and Hathaway. Why end the Narrative OVA on a cliffhanger for a story that hasn't been written?

>>23698475
At least Crossbone was entertaining. I'd say Fastest Formula was pretty important for late UC material, but the manga was a mess.

>>23698621
let's have this conversation again when they adapt F90 and Crossbone, it's not like we're going anywhere

>>23698617
Because they’re going to do Unicorn 2 after Hathaway but Hathaway keeps being delayed

>>23698747
Probably because Hathaway's writers hate F90

>>23698747
they have multiple studios, they can rearrange shit and schedule whenever they want, they've had three different in-house teams working on several different gundam projects over the last 20+ years and UC has been handled by different teams before

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>most of Unicorn-artstyle r34 of her is of her being gang raped
Why artists hate this precious cinnamon bun?

>>23698854
they see a princess, they want to defile her

if the girl had a traumatic past, they wanna make her happy

>>23698791
its probably some sort of connection between hathaway and unicorn 2 stopping it rather than their inability to do so

>>23698854
Characters just attract or gravitate to a certain type of fetish depending on their personality traits and bodytypes. Mineva for whatever combination of reasons seems to exude a 'needs to get gangbanged' aura.

>>23698859
I wanted to test that but then discovered out of the 2453 works for Marida Cruz on pixiv 888 of them are drawn by a single autist (which represents but a small fraction of his 36,838 works).
I am legitimately flabbergasted, I have heard stories about this kind of person but never encountered one before.

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>>23698854
The people pairing her with Banana prefer to just draw them being cute instead of porn

>>23698791
It’s not a work thing it’s the way the UC100 projects set up, Unicorn 2 comes after Hathaway

>>23698617
How is it a cliffhanger? If anything it’s there to wrap up the stuff unicorn left open (except what happened to Riddhe, because that got a manga or something). Mineva is ruling as queen, Banagher is stopping the people who would subvert her authority, and everyone else is backing them up. The people involved in th Anaheim conspiracy went to jail and the Unicorns have been locked away. It’s pretty tidy.

>>23698633
F90 will never be adapted

>>23698752
Hathaway was written before F90

>>23700526
They've promised they'll be touching Late UC with the Next 100 project, what else could they do but adapt F90 and Crossbone? Remake G-Saviour?

>>23698617
It's more of a dead end than a cliffhanger, if you actually know what happens in UC afterwords (and we did know already prior to Unicorn finishing, so...).

Why's the char test tube baby named after nudity

>>23705319
I thought Frontal was a normal dude who just got brainwashed into thinking he's Char? Although I could be mixing plot points with MGSV since they have a similar deal going on there.

>>23705328
It doesn't matter in the grand scheme I guess (not unlike unicorn as a whole)
judt a bit odd to name urself after a stunt midling actresses do to boost publicity

>>23705304
We didn’t know the specifics, just that the Federation eroded over time

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>>23705328
That's basically right, and it happens in UC on at least one other occasion (in Walpurgis). Characters in the manga where the Sinanju Stein is stolen even poke fun, "maybe I should get plastic surgery so I can become a captain too!" or something to that effect.

>>23705757
>We don't know the specifics (after Unicorn)
>What is F91
>What is Victory
>What is Crossbone
>What is G Saviour
>What is F90
All of these came out before Unicorn's novel

>>23705951
Crossbone, G-Saviour and F90 are not canon, F91 and Victory do nothing to explain what happened to the Federation

>>23705951
None of these directly follow up on anything that’s in Unicorn except for F90FF having a bit of psychoframe in it

>>23705978
Yes they are.

>>23705951
And because they came out before the novel they don’t actually handle any of the events mentioned (Mineva’s reign as Queen, the psychoframe ban, the reaction to Laplace’s Box) because they didn’t exist yet

>>23706050
can you provide me with a list of canonical Gundam manga from any official source?

>>23706049
>None of these directly follow up on anything that’s in Unicorn
What a stupid statement. Nothing could have, it didn't exist yet.

>>23706060
Yes, that’s my entire point. So it’s literally impossible for them to have followed up any of the plot points in Unicorn, because they weren’t there

>>23706079
Then it's still completely correct to say Unicorn fabricated it's own dead end narrative.

>>23706081
Except it’s not a dead end because all if the relevant things can still be addressed

>>23705319
L Gaim reference.

>>23706055
I'll do you one better. Sunrise's official word on it is "Anything licensed by Sunrise is official". Anything Universal Century that is official but isn't canon is designated a "parallel work", i.e. The Origin, Cucuruz Doan's Island, Thunderbolt.

>>23706088
Everything it can address is essentially just walking back everything it established and having to explain why It never had an effect the timeline.

>>23706096
But it’s doesn’t need to walk them back, all of those things pretty naturally lead into what we already know happens

>>23705978
>Victory
>Mentioned time and again that the federation are exhausted and can barely supply forces
>League Militaire has to build their own gundams to fight Zanscare who are invading the earth
>Federation only steps in to help establish a ceasefire and then only supply a handful of ships and mobile suits to assault the Angel Halo
>Do nothing to explain what happened to the federation

Bait used to be believable too.

>>23706100
That's my point, there's no real reason for a follow up. There's no real reason for a Unicorn 2.

>>23706126
Money

>>23706052
>>23706049
Which means that Minerva's rein basically does fuck all besides setting up Side 2 to manufacturer and chill, Psychoframe gets banned and people stick to it (besides maybe Angel's Halo), and no one gives a fuck about Lallace's Box (which is extremely realistic as the Federation never operated under the charter that was in the box. It's a minor political scandal that probably just shuffled some interparty roles around).

>>23696814
Unicorn is exactly just gayer Zeta
>dumber name MC
>dude what if political activism but we don't follow up on it
>dude what if we don't double down on the political scandal we're making ourselves
>Riddhe the Jerid expy
>dude what if Newtype superpowers
>dude what if the Gundam did a non-transformation that's clownish

>>23707085
Managing to neutralize Zeon as an armed organization in the Earth Sphere is pretty significant