In the new year, we remain hopeful for more art soon--useful links--https://hobby.dengeki.com/title_re-boot/>official Reboot illustration list, missing first few entrieshttps://gundamguy.blogspot.com/2013/12/mobile-suit-z-gundam-advance-of-zeta.html>scans of some of the earlier entrieshttps://hobby.dengeki.com/comic_novel/19559/>samples of the ongoing mangahttps://m.weibo.cn/u/6199800362?>weibo page of Watership 4.5, a fan circle that makes 3d models and prints of many AoZ designs. Good insight into how they function.http://www.inask.net/blog-category-144.html>another page with their stuffhttps://archive.org/details/Advance_of_Z_The_Flag_of_Titans_Vol.1/mode/2up>internet archive has scans of The Flag of Titans compiled in 6 volumes, this is the first onehttps://jim-quail.github.io/aoz-reboot-translations>WIP translation project for AoZ Reboot, beginning with Dengeki entriesLast thread>>23685919
>>23699770That face is... uncanny
Why does she look so acary
>>23699775Psycommu feedback loop. Her head is about to explode
Everyone's a critic bakaLook at her figure and get distracted or something
also bunny-wheelchair-robot Akira
>>23699787thought I was going insane but they DID show it off in the mooks after all. Probably the most useless bit of info from them, all things considered. But it is kinda funny Audrey got a figure like that
Found a rare scan of Full Armor ZZ custom build on Model Graphix, April issue, 1987.
>>23699773That's how Fujioka draws human. Give the man a break, he is disabled.
>>23699819Jesus those handshe should stick to robots
>>23699827They're literally just hands? Genuinely don't get why people are having any issues with his art style, the people look fine
>>23699815damn, crazy how it's not called FAZZ, right? Speaking of, here's the illustration from April denoting this explicitly as the FA-010B, complete with lore all about how it's the actual ZZ Gundam, because the FAZZ wasn't actually something that existed yet (and its actual setting details wouldn't be finalized for even longer).
>>23699830I think his coloring is abit too polished and it clashes with his cartoony lineart. His simplistic artworks look better.
>>23699836Not in anime, not canon.
>>23699830Bro they definitely aren't just hands. That left hand is so fucked up.
>>23699846Enhanced ZZ isn't in the anime either.
>>23699846there is no canon in the first place
>>23699846ZZ isn't even anime, you fucking idiot
>>23699850It does. The version that fought Qubeley in the finale was Enhanced ZZ.
>>23699863Unfortunately, that's just the ZZ. Enhanced ZZ was never animated. Look at the shoulders for a quick tell from any angle, or the size of the back missile pods and beam sabres. From the back, you can easily tell from the double thrusters instead of singles on the backpack. They simply animated normal ZZ instead for the rest of its sequences after the FA is purged.
How to scare an AoZ fan in two words: Clean lines
>>23699873uuuhhh
>>23699869You are nitpicking hand drawn animation. Enhanced ZZ is just a slightly redesigned ZZ with more exaggerated features such as longer shoes, long flaps, longer beam saber-things that are completely irrelevant in the animation. I'm not gonna believe that RX78 can morph into literall deformed blobs or Sazabi has a super gigantic cockpit just because the animation depicts it that way.
>>23699873>>23699876what actually scares me are nebulous connections
>>23699879That's cool and all that it's supposed to be it, I'm very well aware, but the fact remains it's not and they never animated even a single frame of EZZ's design differences but instead the same ZZ you see all series. As such, the EZZ was never animated. It's not a nitpick, it's just the truth that the design doesn't actually appear.
>>23699883all these years and I've never noticed it so it doesn't really matter to me to be honest
>>23699883>not highlighting the shield which is just magic hovering near the shoulder
>>23699888>As such, the EZZ was never animated. It's not a nitpick, it's just the truth that the design doesn't actually appearBandai pretty much confirmed that the final episode ZZ is Enhanced ZZ. It was a typical animation error of 80s Sunrise, they got the backpack wrong, but the colorscheme is quite accurate imo.
>>23699819This girl(?) looks a lot better
>>23699904It's bizarre how you just repeat the same things over and over. Yeah, it's supposed to be, but it's not. That's the whole point.
>>23699925Go argue with Bandai lmao. I'm not gonna dismiss what they said.
>>23699836And ZZ never have that shit in anime. FAZZ however, does in its respective media. Most of public opinion is not gonna give a fuck about a single artwork when the upcomming MG has a bunch of reused molds from FAZZ. It is what it is, guys.
>>23699925>Yeah, it's supposed to be, but it's not.
>>23699953Look, they had to prknt the spare parts on their own, so the first couple of batches weren't perfect
>>23699936>>23699942>>23699953Slow down on the copium buddy, you'll OD at this rate.I wish the Guncannon beam rifle showed up more, always thought it was a great design.
>>23699959Grunt suits have no business looking this cool
>>23699963Quels are lovely, but the Sniper II is in a league of its own
>>23699970Is there a way to replicate the appearance of magazine printing for images? I love the fuzziness of the circle style ink application
>>23699991Probably some fiddling with gaussian blur
>>23699991I'm sure there's a filter somewhere, but I'm no graphic designer.
>>23699992Is more than just a blur if you zoom in you see how the ink was put on the paper in that printing pattern which helps diffuse the colors>>23699993maybe I'll just see if I can't get my hands on a printer that works similarly then rescan the prints for the "digitized magazine scan" look. I love the old-school feel of magazine photos
>>23699876Clean means coherent. This is incoherent
>>23699959Slow your faggotry, buddy. You are gonna suck dick at this rate. I wish they stop giving Full Armor ZZ the FAZZness. The anime looks kinda cool in its own way.
>>23700047You're gonna keep having a bad time since the promo material for the new one is a very explicit reference to your least favourite art of all time
>>23699991Alot of those photographs were taken by actual 80s film camera. They have a distinct looks that will take some efforts to replicate.
>>23700057The picture he's replying to is from a book made in 2009, can you literally ever get something right
>>23700057Is this a Geymalk Ground Type? How would that even work? Looks baller though
>>23700063A lot like a Dom probably
>>23700066but funnels are a no-no under gravity, especially Geymalk's fatass funnels
>>23700052>for the new one is a very explicit reference to your least favourite art of all timeWhat gives you that impression? Hell i love Mika Akitaka and that artwork, i think he is up there with 80s Katoki. However, there should be a thing you need to understand that the artwork is not where " Full Armor ZZ with cannon" actually came from-something you have been obsessively fixated on. >This kitMajority of this thing are reused from FAZZ, my guy. A very unfortunate choice to post, but oh well, everyone makes mistakes.
>>23700069>funnels are a no-no under gravityNo one thought this before Unicorn put it in a scene where they still worked anyways. Qubeley and Psyco Mark II fight with their funnels under gravity, and really there's just no reason they should have any trouble with it whatsoever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBMU6l6GsdM
>>23700080This video has been around for decades, and it's one of those things were they claim nothing came of it. And of course, nobody believes it.
>>23700074>the artwork is not where " Full Armor ZZ with cannon" actually came fromActually it is, like every single image you posted proves.>Majority of this thing are reused from FAZZWow, just like FAZZ was reused from FA ZZ for their 1.0s, and just like FAZZ ver Ka reused everything from ZZ ver Ka.
>>23700016skill issue ngl
I've completely lost track of the logic, sides and point in this conversation and I just wish it was happening somewhere other than my comfort thread.Is this... war?
>>23700061>The picture he's replying toI don't care about your gay picture. I'm posting my favourites from the older issues. >>23700063These modeling magazines have a handful of fanfiction-y builds and alot of them look quite interesting.
>>23700092Imagine arguing about the worst "wall of guns" MS in UC
>>23700092>Titans fanclub>Doesn't expect war
>>23700093>I didn't actually care to help the person I was responding to, I just wanted to say something irrelevant to suck my own cockI know
>>23700093The top one looks great. What's the head from, Alpha Azieru?
>>23700098Probably, matches up to be taken from the 1/550
>>23700098The text said scratch build, so the whole thing is probably made out of putty and junk.
The old magazine looks intrigues me. Decided to play around with photoshop.
>>23700107Scratch build doesn't mean 100% from scratch, they used parts from other kits all the time.
>>23700112For this one the head was scratchbuilt. He goes over the parts used in the accompanying text. Various parts were taken for other elements but a lot of it was fully scratchbuilt. Some Zeta and Mark II parts are called out for the feet and legs respectively in other text.
>>23700120god damn, that's some tiny work
To the anons predicting that Peche would be piloting the Psyco Mk IV and suffering forever, I regret to inform you she's all smiles.
>>23700365I don't know who these characters are
>>23700365Is the Psyco Mark III a confirmed Neo Zeon design now?
>>23700369In an alternate reality
>>23700373Sure, might as well be, just curious whether it was going to turn out a Federation or NZ project
>>23700365Oh no she's even hotter
>>23700365So I looked up the character and... is the blonde supposed ot be picrel? wtf happened?
>>23700482being a cyber newtype passed around every exploiter of cyber newtypes is a very hard life
>>23700486Ah, the Puru Special. Speaking of which, is the one on the right a particularly unhinged Puru? And do their handlers not realize the exceedingly high chances these two nutters will score more teamkills than the enemy side could ever hope to inflict?
anywho that Sentinel robot spirits teaser was kind of a nothingburger in the end, just a minor recolor
>>23700520I feel like I'm the only person who thinks the whole shoulder slide mechanism is really stupid looking
>>23700522not even close, quite a lot of people don't care for it from what i've seen. One of these things that has been common more modern depictions despite not appearing in the original work, same as ALICE red eyes or using the beam smart gun together with two hip guns. I don't really mind them though personally.
>>23700523the beam smartgun could always be used with the hip guns though, it just couldn't be fed from the extra reactor that way and had a lower power output.
>>23700522It only exists to make waterslide application a living nightmare
>>23700522It is for the G Cruiser transformation i believe.
>>23700523>One of these things that has been common more modern depictions despite not appearing in the original workThe shoulder slide thingy is actually from the build MGraphix made for their Sentinel series. Katoki didn't design Ex S with this gimmick but he approved it so it is not an issue.
>>23700609He can approve but it still wasn't there originally, it's a later addition. I'm not saying that makes it invalid or anything ridiculous like that bit it has become a pretty much ubiquitously accepted feature after the fact. Many such cases really, Zaku's backpack thrusters are probably the most obvious yet most forgotten one
Is this the true final form of the TR Plan?
>>23700365Found more pics of the Engages here. I really like what they did with Zero here, it's a different yet similar vibe to Yonghwavin. Slapping a similar backpack on Engage Gundam is also cool.They also say that Engage Gundam was designed based on Engage Zero combined with Federation tech, which is kinda self evident but still nice way to explain it. Core fighter, more Gundam-esque structure and all that. After all Engage Zero is only superficially similar to a Gundam type and in practice it's a Gyan derivative set up to inherit the Bishop Plan.
>>23700613To be fair, Ex S has 2 obvious seams on the pauldrons. You look at this and would think " can they actually slide or open up? ".
>>23700604Nah. It isn't for anything except aesthetics. The G-Cruiser transformation requires the shoulder to be "together" so it rotates cleanly and locks in with the fuel tanks.
Late UC needs its own AOZ and Sentinel to pop up. Howabout a story that finally takes place after Victory and dismiss the miniature robot crap?
>>23700617Whst's the Bishop plan?
>>23700699F90FF/Cluster are in a lot of ways the late UC version of AoZ.
>>23700699We've had that for almost a decade now but you can't handle the truth.
>>23700703Ewww
>>23700700Zeon's psycommu research projects towards the Zeong, see MS-06Z Bishop.
>>23700704Sorry you have shit taste.
>>23700617The Engage Zero is pointedly a product of both Zeon and Federation engineering from the beginning. It's name is straight up a reference to it (Earth-Zeon) and the model number, nevermind all the design elements.
I always think of Engage Gundam and Zero as the same robot, just in 2 genders: Male-Female.
>>23700712I'm pretty sure that's mentioned in the design notes as being an intentional motiff
>This guy fucks your Engage ZeroWhat would you do?
>>23700712silly anon all robots are female
>>23700729But what about all the AoZ units with fat hogs?
>>23700733Admit either that girls can have peepes or that boys can have titties. Make your choice. Now.
>>23700702They're like opposite takes on the same idea. Both are all about developing a bunch of load outs for a base unit, but AoZ ends up making "anti-everything" giant monster loadouts by combining parts while the F90 stuff remains specialzied and doesn't' really combine packs other than that one time
>>23700738combining the packs has been around for as long as the packs, it's a classic. That said it doesn't have the same "conclusion" but neither does Sentinel.
>>23700705>look it upI guess it's a proven science that the more occult and horrifying you make your MS, the cuter you have to make your pilot. It's a linear progression through the psycho gundams too!
>>23700740The only "slap everything on this bitch" MS from Sentinel that i can think of is Xeku Zwei. The rest look like that from the start. Arguably Ex S has 2 giant boosters and beam sabers as additional pack, but the basic S Gundam is quite there already. The refine Ex S with 2 giant flaps and blue shoes never appear in the main story as far as i can tell.
>>23700750The Hummingbirds and Deep Striker are pretty up there too. >refine Ex-S with flaps and shoesWhich one is that?
>>23700750The S Gundam is explicitly designed for modularity and adopting different mission equipment. The Deep Striker is very much "slap everything on this bitch.">>23700738I wouldn't really say they're opposite takes. AoZ, especially reboot, is also about a lot more than just the TR-6. Both are exploring technological links and MS development paths through their respective eras. FF dredges up obscure shit, while AoZ is concerned with following up on animated suits. Both are heavily concerned with integrating Mars into the setting far more than anything else since the first F90 run.
>>23700753anon you're posting dangerous stuff here...also >>23700630
>>23700753This famous rendition of Ex S doesn't appear in the storyline. Only the version with Red shoes and lack of G cruiser flaps did, Bandai refers to that as " Task Force Alpha Ex S ".
>>23700760>>23700761Really? I always assumed this was the "standard" loadout. So does the original MS just not have the flaps in MA mode or do they show up out of nowhere? >dangerouscome on anon, MS girls are perfectly allowed
>>23700753envious....
>>23700761>>23700750The Ex-S that appeared in Sentinel did use the propellant tanks. It ejects them, as it should, because they're propellant tanks for reaching the battle and it'd be rather stupid to fight with empty propellant tanks hanging off your back in MS mode. The Ex-S in MS mode should realistically never have them because the point is to jettison them. See the top right.There's no difference between the TFA and blue Ex-S designwise.
>>23700766I had never considered the possibility of MS analog horror
>>23700757Deep Striker is a funny case, because it is just a concept design and was meant to upgrade Booster S Gundam further. This plan was scrapped in favour of Ex S Gundam, which is less of a behemoth.
>>23700767If you haven't read Sentinel and you're in this thread I strongly encourage you to.
>>23700769is it available in English?
>>23700771Has been for almost 20 years at this point, surprisingly. One of the first big fan translations for non-anime. I can't remember if he's still working on it or finished, but Deacon recently retranslated it.Unfortunately no one's made a project of editing the actual photonovel images with English text, so you'll have to flip back and forth to read and see the pictures.
>>23700766Unless you are planning to do more cruising that is, there could be situations where you briefly switch to MS form before resuming travel.>>23700768It's not really an upgrade or replacement for either of these, just a different that never had its components made because it's ludicrously expensive while serving a very specialized purpose. S Gundam as a whole project is meant to have a lot of different forms like this, with the entire framework being called a Gundam System.>100s are standard specs>200s Ext configs>300s for Bst>400 for miscellaneous(I wonder where I have seen this idea?)So Booster and Deep Striker are in the same "family" but not really direct alternatives to each other.By all accounts there's PROBABLY two or three S Gundams still around after the events of Sentinel so there's room to explore the other possibly loadouts it can have. It's just that nobody's really touched up on it in all these years.
>>23700775welp, link me up
>>23700766Refine Ex S doesn't need to eject them. As explained in Gundam Wars Sentinel, Refine's tanks are articulated and connected to the pauldrons. This helps the transformation between two forms to be seamless. Hypothetically, if Ex S survived and gets even more polished, it would have those flaps along with that new colorscheme.
>>23700783why was the project abandoned anyways?
>>23700786The real question is why AI stops being a thing in UC when ALICE was such a success.
>>23700788I guess learning computers are essentially AI, just without the personality. Maybe that's more efficient
>>23700786Alot of MS projects are kinda like that, they are 90% completed and forced to go into battle because the faction needs emergency reinforcement. FAZZ was the same case and they got raped by MKV to no one's surprise.
>>23700783That is true of the normal one. "Refine" is just a name appended to a better produced model. The technical drawings are very clear this is a feature of the Ex-S. Where do you think they connect? Neither of them "need" to eject them, but the point explicitly is to eject them when they're spent. Ex-S does in fact have those flaps in all forms, including S, which could just put them on as well without any of the Ex-S equipment if it really wanted.>>23700777>briefly switch to MS form before resuming travel.Sure, yeah. Ambushes can happen or whatever. But the whole point is to extend the cruising range, and the point of propellant tanks for all MS is to be jettisoned before they actually start fighting.They look cool, though, so they just always stay on anyways, even though it's pretty dumb the second you really think about it. The point is to use their fuel up before you use the internal reserves, then discard the deadweight.
>>23700788ALICE was explicitly supposed to be mothballed and not actually continued, but the S assigned to Taskforce Alpha had it unsealed. The project was cancelled due to costing an assload of money and higher ups deciding that actually, true AI that replaces pilots and make for unmanned MS who obey a singular master could actually be really really bad.
>>23700778https://zeonic-republic.net/?p=11642
>>23700805and the japanese one with pictures?
>>23700806https://exhentai.org/g/1242724/5f7aff2ed7/?p=7
>>23700807time to look up how to access sadpanda again
>>23700794Ex S is quite a state of the art machine, it is not practical to throw away its expensive parts everytime it needs to transform. In-context, TFA Ex S's tanks are unable to co-exist with the MS form and needs to be purged before the transformation. Sure you can make it happen when it comes to modelkits, but then again, they are modelkits, alot of things are possible. >hey look cool, though, so they just always stay on anyways, even though it's pretty dumb the second you really think about itGiant robot is pretty dumb when you really think about it. And it doesn't matter.
>>23700777>By all accounts there's PROBABLY two or three S Gundams still around after the events of Sentinel so there's room to explore the other possibly loadouts it can have. It's just that nobody's really touched up on it in all these years.Not probably. We know there were 4 S Gundams made, and one featured later. Only the TFA one had ALICE though.
>>23700801Alice is abit convoluted because she has to learn the personality of her potential boyfriend first before actually flexxing her capability. The AI also needs an incompetent pilot in order to activate its protective instinct. It is pretty effective when you think about it, just hire some random bum to be mecha pilots and the AI will take care of the rest.
>>23700811>it doesn't make sense to throw them away>giant robot is dumb, it doesn't matterwhich is it?You're just making a bunch of stuff up here, none of that's true. There aren't any differences in technical details, there's only one actual Ex-S. All differentiations are just colourschemes. They made different models as part of the whole project, but that's got nothing to do with the lore. The only thing special or noteworthy about the TFA and any other version is that it has ALICE. The flaps the pods connect to exist on the default S Gundam, and the TFA version in the story is using the same attachment. It makes plenty of sense to discard them. Not only that, but we're talking about space use predominantly here anyway. It's pretty trivial to eject them and have something like a programmed rendezvous course back to the mothership. Or they can just eat the loss like in real life with real planes. They're fuel tanks, big simple containers that are not hard to manufacture and replace.
>>23700817>There aren't any differences in technical details, there's only one actual Ex-S. All differentiations are just colourschemes.https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%A0#%E3%83%AA%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E7%89%88Ex-S%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%A0
>>23700811I mean, they're just fuel tanks, IRL aircraft drop them all the time. Just because the MS itself is advanced doesn't mean the tanks themselves have to be, especially if they're designed as disposable
>>23700818notice how right above that, in the default Ex-S profile, it points out the Ex-S's fuel pods do the exact same thing?Ever notice there's only one set of lineart in Sentinel for the Ex-S, and it depicts the feature (just like it does in the actual photonovel doing exactly this)?
>>23700823are you that illiterate guy from yesterday? please get back to not knowing this thread exists
Was it the Booster S Gundam that had the ridiculous thrust specs, only matched by late UC units?
>>23700817Sinanju, Hi Nu, Nightinghale and Sazabi would blow your mind. >There aren't any differences in technical detailsYou are getting extremely annoying so i'm just gonna call you a subhuman faggot and move on.
>>23700824>>23700828I'm beginning to think you're actually not old enough to post on this website.
>>23700825They all have extremely high thrust stats. On the otherhand, thrust stats are reeeeaally meaningless across different works. Hummingbird and S-Booster are absolutely absurd in total thrust though yeah.
>>23700823NTA but you are so annoying, anon. WHO GIVES A FUCK? The tanks can stay, can leave, whatever, no one cares.
FWIW Thunderbolt has them waitinguntil the tanks are fully drained to jettison them, so presumably the extra thrust is still worth it in combar. Worth noting that fuel tanks get lighter as fuel is used up,so their efficiency increases the emptier they get. They're also used a couple times as decoys or ghetto flares, but I doubt that's standard doctrine
>Complains about the sliding pauldrons>Complains about the propellant tanks This kind of vibe feels exactly like that Lineart anon in gpg threads.
>>23700834>no one caresThat's why you're having a melty over not knowing the Ex-S had the fuel tanks in Sentinel lol
>>23700842Melty? Huh what? Return to reality, please. You have been bitching about "having them remains is dumb" nonstop. Imagine having that big of a faggotry that you worship some heavily compromised lineart and build your entire personality around it. Fucking LMAO.
I love the sliding shoulders and i love the flaps of Refine Ex S. I think it looks sick.
>>23700837Different authors do what they think is cool, and propellant tanks look cool as fuck. Not all works approach things remotely the same. Thunderbolt is very heavy on the rule of cool; Sentinel is a lot more the opposite and strived for as much realism as they could conjure.>>23700846good lord, lol.
>>23700851>Different authors do what they think is cool, and propellant tanks look cool as fuck. Not all works approach things remotely the same. Thunderbolt is very heavy on the rule of cool; Sentinel is a lot more the opposite and strived for as much realism as they could conjure.LOL. LMAO even. Yeah i'm pretty sure they designed some cool assed robots for Sentinel with giant sabers and big long guns for the sake of grounded realism.
>>23700842>>23700846both of you just chill tf out for god's sake, we're gonna go through three threads in a week and have no posts of any value in them at this rate
>>23700855This is what happens when Fujioka forsakes us, dads start fighting
>>23700853really proving you aren't having a grade A melty right now over nothing
>>23700858worst part being that I'm this thread's mother lmaohave some cool robot heads to match cool robot 2hus
>>23700860I have to say, pulling out the physical media is a power move. Should probably clean up the cum stain on top though...
Are they propellant tanks on a robot? AIIEEEE KATOKI SAMA SAVE MEEE
>>23700862It's just the slip cover fortunately but yeah I need to clean it.
>>23700860>That piss stain
>>23700860>No no you are having a melty>Post his cum infused novel to prove how calm and collected he isKEK
>>23700860Here is the real version
Post dem propellant tanks
How to jumpscare Ex S fags
Enough of this ridiculous argument, at the end of the day mecha is for cool looks and gettign too hung up on realism just ruins the fun
>>23700874Not to mention Ex S is a borderline Brave mecha with self conciousness LMAO. I know AI is a thing nowadays, but not on that level yet and probably never be.
>>23700869>Buys Sentinel photo novel>Hates propellant tanks on the robotAnon i...
>>23700883in anon's defense, isn't Xeku Zwei a jury rigged "throw every spare part we have on the thing" custom?
The absolute funniest part of this for me is that I already said I think fuel tanks are cool.
>>23700886no, it's the next model in the series and designed to be exactly what it is because engineer eggheads are sometimes kinda divorced from reality
Talk about propellant tanks that stay during sex, did we ever get modelkits for TR3 Asshimar? Not a big fan of the real Asshimar, but this thing looks interesting. I guess i have a pallete for inhumanoid robots afterall.
>>23700890Really? I just assumed it was "double it and give it to the commander" in MS form. I should really learn more about my wife
>>23700891it has the teeny tiny 1/400 appendix kit, it got reprinted on p-bandai uuuhhh maybe two times in the last ten years
>>23700891I'm fairly certain I've seen a resin kit of this thing somewhere, but nothing official monsterfucker
>>23700891We got a pack of some of the early TR machines as a PB release at some point, it's been a while since it got reprinted though.
>>23700886Xeku Zwei is a proper next generation Xeku. It can carry alot of weight while having a decent mobility due exessive amount of thrusters. You notice its loadout, all of them are pretty standard and useful.
>>23700892It was "double it and see what happens" and then they realized oh fuck this is kinda fucked and then pezun got ruined before they could refine it into the proper Drei.
>>23700901>oh fuck this is kinda fucked...in a good way?
>>23700899however on the other hand it's so dang large it can't fit inside anything less than an Alexandria class which limits its practical usability and even though it's mostly all Eins parts it's still just a lot of stuff to maintain and supply. Something like Baund Doc or Messala can get by with that since they're prototypes for specific goals but Xeku Zwei is meant to be a general purpose model used anywher Xeku Eins would be used. And a squad of a few Eins on subflight systems does everything a Zwei can while being just a lot easier for everyone involved.>>23700904lol no
>>23700904More like in a "what have we created, this is so fat it takes up the space of like 3 doms jesus christ what are we doing it cost so much money and no one can use this to its full potential oh my fucking god"
>>23700897That seems too small for my liking. I hope it gets a 1/144 model one day. This is legitimately cooler than the actual Asshimar imo.
>>23700912https://www.e2046.com/p/2378/&title=gundam-nrx-044r-prototype-asshimar-tr-3Here's the resin if you're interested.
>>23700905>>23700906Cowards. They should've doubled down and make a "Xeku groß"
>>23700905It is obviously a commander type MS. It is around the same height as The-O, with subarms, too. I can see it being the blueprint to upgrade the lesser Xeku units if New Desides still exist.
>>23700924In universe the design was deemed a failure before Sentinel's story happens. If they had continued it would've been to produce the Drei. The Zwei was a dead end.
>>23700921Zhaaaaaaaang! Do the thing Zhang!
>>23699770>>23699819Fujioka can draw his loli and shota and kemono but not adultsInteresting. Is that what I have to get into to get on his level of mecha design?
>>23700928surprised we never got a Mechanicore variant or the like
>>23700935I mean, the pattern is there
>>23700926It was good enough to fight toe to toe with TFA in the finale so i can see some potential from it. If direct refurbishing is impossible then salvage its data for something else.
>>23700936Changs are not very interested in Sentinel. They do like AOZ however.
>>23700939They did make a deep striker way before Bandai though
>>23700616Could use very long propellant tanks but yes, definitely
>>23700935No one is perfect at everything. Tsubasa Kotobuki is good at drawing human but his mecha design is a mixed bag.
>>23700945wait, kotobukiya is named after a guy?
>>23700949"Kotobuki" is a generic Japanese name.
>>23700953nonsense, they're all named stuff like "Bajeena" and "Hymen"
>>23700938In a vacuum its performance was great and it was a real monster, but in practice it wasn't what the X project was trying to make and controlling the thing was beyond the capabilities of the vast majority of pilots. The Zwei was supposed to be a completely mass produced machine anyone could use, a full successor to the Eins in every way, but it was pretty far from that and ultimately ended up closer to a breakthrough or point defense MA instead due to how far they took everything. It could go toe to toe with any machine of the era, but like the Hyzenthlay II it'd just be completely wasted on anything but top class pilots.
>>23700938what's TFA?
>>23700958>Give this fat fuck to a strong NT>Profits?
>>23700958They really put a beam smart gun and multiple panzerfausts on the thing and said "yeah grunt suit"? Isn't the Federation like, constantly out of money?
>>23700959Task Force Alpha, the protagonist AEUG/EFF/Karaba joint op Sentinel focuses around.>>23700961Definitely would've helped, though it has no psycommu features at all, and Pezun wasn't a newtype lab. They were just trying to make next generation mass production machines.
>>23700961Newtypes don't exist, they're a made up psyop by zeon mossad for propaganda reasons. You're not a filthy zeek sympathizer, are you son?
>>23700883Loved this fat ugly bastard as soon as I got introduced in Gihren's Greed
>>23700963In this era the Federation had an absurd amount of money being thrown around into military development, that's part of the deal with the Titans coming to power and this thread existing. It's hard to say the EF is truly hurting for money at most points, its biggest problem is being a bloated and corrupt bureaucracy where everyone's stealing their piece of the pie and military investment levels rise and fall with the times. We're told in Unicorn the Feddies have a very robust satellite defense grid protecting Earth, which is why the Shamblo was made to be an aquatic machine and not get blasted from orbit (and also that zeon remnants across Earth are getting tacit permission and even assistance to exist from higher ups to continue keeping up the defense budget), but by Hathaway's Flash we're told that the Federation's stopped keeping as close an eye on the Earth and stopped maintaining a bunch of their defense and surveillance grid, though it's also said that this is just because their priorities are in monitoring space instead of Earth, not necessarily because they can't afford it.
>>23700958this is like bimbofication for MS>Before budget overruns>After budget overruns
>>23700986HWS Nu has big fat tits, too. The momment they get more expensive, the thiccker they get.
>>23700990>Just one more government contract... I know you love them
>>23700986>bimbofication for MSNew fetish unlocked
>>23701016>P-please be gentle... I'm only a prototype.. this is my first combat sortie...
>>23701022>I love breaking in rookies! Think you can handle the G-forces, cherry boy?
>>23700939>>23700941there was also a 1/144 Deep Striker based on HG Ex-S but apparently it was rather bad. Plus it was over a decade ago now and good luck finding it now
>>23701025Japs really didn't like the HG S sculpt to begin with, tons of complaints about it proportionally.
>>23701025>DACHONGIs this like chink Dalong?
>>23701028Refine Ex S remains the definite Ex S in public's conciousness. https://x.com/fatejtm/status/1986441941551358088
>>23701039Damn, that's a winy weenie
>>23701041it's sheathed
So, aside from Zeta and Woundwort, are there any other MS specifically designed with re-entry in mind? I'm not talking about MS compatible with ballute systems or the Gundam's weird re-entry plastic wrap, I mean proper re-usable re-entry shields like Zeta's alt form and Woundwort's Bun Buns
>>23701105and the Dandelions of course
>>23700365I think that's one of her many clones>>23700489Engage introduced Puro Zeroes, basically Purus that took too much after the original instead of being wanna-be hardasses like Puru Two. Their kindness and pure soul gives them a way better track record.
>>23701109That Puru doesn't look friendly at all>originalSo do they confirm that the first Puru we see is the original girl born from a real womb?
>>23701105It's pretty common all things considered. Anything equipped with the Hrair unit can do it because the Hrududu Hrair nosecone has cooling gas exhausts like Woundwort's regular pod.Not much later Delta Plus has the capability as well as some Zeta Plus variants. Depending on the source Rezel C Type can do it as well.Later on you have F90 P Type as well, and at least in theory beam shield equipped mobile suits can pull it off as well even if it's not a primary function. Crossbone X-1 proves it's possible but it's still rarely done.
>>23701111The original Elpeo Ple has always been a natural human.
>>23701118The hrair and woundwort butts keep that function on larger craft? I assumed it wouldnt' work since the shield is tiny compared ot the MS, while woundwort is like 50% ass. Then what's the point of Dandelion units?
>>23701122Keeping that function is half the point of the whole thing, the idea was that they want built-in rapid atmospheric entry capability for space forces to maintain control.Dandelion is the prototype that led to this.
>>23701127What about Dandelion II (and therefore Inle's lower half)? It's got a woundwort core, but isn't it doing something Wundy already does?
>>23701128Dandelion II has far more features, notably M-Craft.
>>23701132I figured it doesn't need explaining why a giant MA like that can do things a atmospheric entry-capable Hizack cannot
>>23701135>Giant MAMaybe I'm missing something, But I thought it was just a big pants-shaped reentry shield (and sub-flight unit). Does it actually have any built in weapons? The Woundwort part of the MA looks just like a regular Woundwort Rah (with oddly scaled weapons)
>>23701105In addition to all the answers so far, Xi and Penelope (should) be capable of it. They get plenty of attention for being able to leave Earth, but their beam barriers would protect them during reentry as well.
>>23701138It's a full blown Mobile Armor that can singlehandedly invade and destroy bases, even if Fiver II carries the bulk of the firepower between them. These claws aren't just for show.There's also Rabscuttle which is for near orbit combat and atmospheric defense and that's even more heavily armed.
>>23701151Still waiting for the [[Inle II]] reveal with this thing as a base
>>23701153It's not made for that though, Inle as we know it is how it was meant to work with TR-S too. Rabscuttle and Dandelion share the frame but they do different things....that said, these things are nothing if not versatile. I'm sure they can be slapped together with a little elbow grease if need be.
>>23701157Wait, is that Hrair to scale? I thought Rabscuttle was far smaller.
>>23701159I would think so, yeah. Rabscuttle is BIG. There's a Hazel Hrair somewhere in there but we can't even tell for sure where it is because it's completely covered up, like Woundwort in Dandelion MA mode.You can see the underside here and how the container units are stored there, the big things on El-Ahrairah's shoulders.And on the butt there's a Daedalus unit, the same kind as on Queenly for example where it's a rather big sphere in comparison.
>>23701161See those contianer units look much bigger than the ones on say, queenly or Advanced Kehaar. This thing is battleship huge. You could probably dock a couple folded up Inles on it no problem
>>23701165Oh wait I just noticed each container is two regular contianers tied together, no wonder they look ao big. Fujioka isn't fooling anyone with this thing though, it clearly transforms. I can see the arm joints
>>23701167Yeah, it's described that it has a MF form in addition to the depicted MA form but we don't know what it looks like for now.
>>23701171well, it's pretty big...
>>23701172This is Fujioka, not Hasegawa, go away Gigantis
>>23701174THERE IS A PSYCHOFRAME GIANT GOD OF LEGEND IN THE JOVIAN SPHERE THE NINJAS WILL NOT SILENCE METHE PEOPLE MUST KNOW ABOUT THE RUG BEATER>anon was right>it wasn't the ninjas, it was the Zanscare secret service>anon's body is found with salt in his mouth and coins on his eyes>ruled as suicide
>>23701176Praise Maria!
>>23701176The Jovian ninjas glow in the dark, you can see them if you're flying. You just run them over with your MA, that's what you do
>>23700851>Thunderbolt is very heavy on the rule of cool; Sentinel is a lot more the opposite and strived for as much realism as they could conjure. Both Thunderbolt and Sentinel were built on the foundation of "real robot" subgenre, the robots are commericial products of several companies and lack the mad scientist origin that Super Robots tend to have. The realism of Sentinel is as far as that could go, there is nothing realistic about giant robots clashing in space. It is essentially a fantasy of a 8 years old kid and Sentinel lies on that same spectrum.
>The O would never work for mass produ-
>>23701472One thing that I always found interesting about Sentinel is that the Hummingbrids are menat to perate only in MA form, and escort the Deep Striker which is also basically a spaceship without any limbs. So the cancelled plan was pretty much as close to realistic space warfare as they got
>>23701472Yeah, it's just that: a spectrum. And as Gundam goes, Sentinel is more or less the slider furthest to "real," while Thunderbolt is straddling somewhere in the generic middle. The entire shtick of Sentinel was imagining how the setting would work with more granularity and detail.
>>23701474now THATS a skirt to be proud ofchild bearing ms
>>23701487If your MS has less armor than a fortified bunker, then why bother riding a MS?
>>23701489Couldn't agree more. Lankoid mobile suits could never
>>23701491This thing is supposed to outfperform the Sazabi. I'm assuming they mean the Ground Type, but that's still an impressive feat. Mid-UC really is the age of fatso
>>23701492It's definitely my favorite UC period for that fact. Before everything got miniaturized everyone leaned hard into making mobile suits as huge and bulky as possible with ad much bullshit packed in as they could and it was GLORIOUS. It's one of the big reasons I love beltorchika's children. That nightingale.... mmf
>>23701502Nightingale is the final boss bitch of MS. >Massive>Assload of MS>Thrust out the ass>Articulation is a suggestion>Gun larger than some MS>Ridiculously huge cockEvery /m/an dreams of owning a 1/100 NG once in their life until they realize how big she is and how much work it takes to make the kit work. It's a rite of passage. Haven't read BC, does she job as bad as Sazabi?
>>23701513It plays out pretty similarly with a bit more interference from beltorchika having newtype woman moments. The fistfight they quickly resort to after losing their weapons early on is much funnier with nightingale's little arms but he does pull off a char kick with it
>>23701527I'm pretty sure a kick from Nightingale would atomize Axis, the foot itself is bigger than Hi-Nu
>>23701502>mobile suits as huge and bulky as possiblePenelope, my beloved.Been doing some thinking lately on a related note, the Odysseus doesn't really have all that much going on in the lore, but it's actually pretty well primed to be something of a Hazel Hrair (or more aptly, ZZZ) successor. A prototype, high spec general machine in 104 explicitly designed to mount very heavy extra bespoke equipment. I've been thinking about taking on a pet project of scratchbuilding different arrangements for it. Started with just imagining how I'd make an Argos unit and kinda spiralled from there. It's fun to imagine a lineage of Hrair splitting off into the F90 for SNRI and the Odysseus for AE. Also, Odysseus would look pretty cool with some AoZ equipment in general. It's a great base for the Gigantic Arms, that's for sure, and I bet it could wear some Ankshas likes Kehaars pretty well.
>>23701533Yeah its pretty gloriousI'd reccomend checking out the manga its literally better than CCA in most regards especially concerning the characters. Hathaway's later motivations during the mafty fiasco become way more understandable
>>23699815As a young teen, I remember when the 1/144 FAZZ kit first appeared at a local hobby shop here in america. Nobody was selling Gundam kits except for this place, and I had no idea what Gundam was about, no internet yet in the late 80s, just these cool mecha that would show up as kits and in books at this hobby shop. I had seen the regular ZZ and I really liked the design, I had probably bought the 1986 1/144 kit, but when I saw that FAZZ 1/144 kit show up and that awesome cover art, I was blown away.
>>23701539I love Penelope, and I used to prefer her over Xi, but over time I gradually shifted preferences to Xi's more cohesive and refined form. It's like Hazenthley II, all the features of the "modular" predecessors built-in and optimized to make the perfect machine. It doesn't help that Odysseus alone is just so ugly. Here's a brain worm for you, Odysseus is male but Penelope is female, so Penelope is canonically a drag queen MS. No coincidence that her pilot is a twink/femboy. >Additional Odysseus packsDid you draw/build anything? Because I'm having a hard time thinking of something that would look good. Odysseus' proportions are just too weird to work without the coat
>>23701554I love Xi plenty too, but Penelope's form is a lot cooler to me in pretty much every way. I especially love the M-Craft fins on it compared to Xi just having, well, nothing like them. Both are rad anyways.>Did you draw/build anything?I wrote down a bunch of details for ideas in a text document but that's all I've got so far. For my Argos I was thinking about emulating the extra bulk Penelope has in the shoulders/legs with semi-folded up fin funnels giving the appearance of armour when stored (but I need the Nu EG fin funnel expansion to come out to really begin mocking this up) and making a couple larger Zorin Soul styled triple-fin funnels as a tie-in to it. The only bit of the normal Odysseus I find awkward is the head, and specifically really just the V-fin.Past that it's just a bunch of scribblings like "Narrative A pack parts might fit pretty well in some arrangement" (I don't own one though), "Stark Jegan missiles," "CSB derivative racks?" (like pic related) and other random ideas that strike me as fitting with it. It's just been some idle thoughts here and there over the past month while working on other stuff.Only other really fleshed out idea is a form beyond Penelope taking improvements learned from Xi, lightening the M-Craft equipment and carrying some unique bits. Maybe emulating three dragon heads, King Ghidorah style? Scylla seemed an appropriate name.Also I definitely want to recreate this arrangement on a Hyzenthlay II, it's unreasonably cool and I love it. Not enough spare CSBs to do it though. Or spare Hyzenthlay IIs, for that matter.
>>23701611>6Is this official art? Always loved this "rack" style of weaponry
>>23702180it's fanart byhttps://www.pixiv.net/en/users/39353260lots of great mecha art there, just for god's sake don't enable nsfw
>>23702207neato>nsfwhey, whatever pays the bills. looks pretty tame by pixiv standards
>>23702210nothing, like, obscene sure but there's just a lot of it so it gets in the way when trying to look at robots
>>23702214Great mecha artist more often than not seem to draw hentai. Mostly with mecha on the side of it.But you really shouldn't look at what else this artist draws. Shit ain't even hot.
>>23702250>artist more often than not seem to draw hentai.ftfy. it's the only way to make money as an artist
>>23702250the Traitor to Destiny mecha designer is mostly drawing humongous titties apparentlyhttps://www.pixiv.net/en/users/13894His twitter is much more mecha focused thoughhttps://x.com/magaki_mr>>23702255the most reliable and easiest, at least. For many it's really fun too I imagine. Lots of animators and manga artists also began or make extra money with hentai
>>23702274Curiously, it's all mecha until suddenly it's all titcows. It's like when MAsamune Shirow was raped by a horse and suddenly all of his work changed
>>23702282scratch that, scrolled ab it further in and he's been on the titcow train from the start
Trying to start the year strong.The curves of the Kehaar's II upper half are really attractive, but it's one of those designs that can't really move without something hitting something else first. Awkward to handle. I also question the practicality of a design spec'd for atmospheric flight to carry such a heavy gun. One that it can't even hold anymore in MA mode.But I'll be dammed if it doesn't look cool.
>>23702289Doesn't the gun plug into the dong-arm when in MA mode? or does the spike block it in this configuration? Regardless, it can fold up, so I'm sure you can store it somewhere in flight. And can't these things fly in MS mode too ?
>>23702289>The curves of the Kehaar's II upper half are really attractiveyeah that's a good sentence to start the year onjokes aside looking very nice I figure the subarm can hold the rifle in some way, it's still a hand that just grips things even if the model kit can't do it. The weight can't be that big of a problem either. Z Plus C1 is supposed to still be capable of that with that damn long beam smart gun. Don't question the unholy contraption, it simply just works.
>>23702289yay
>>23702274>https://x.com/magaki_mr>scroll down>its aitaka talking about FA ZZ with Hi Mega Cannonpoetry
>>23702300oh god no
>>23702300
>>23702294>Z Plus C1 is supposed to still be capable of that with that damn long beam smart gunThe C1 is for space use though. The A1 is for air operations and it uses a very standard beam rifle instead. Not quite the same.
>>23702300I dunno who won that argument but the FA ZZ having the canon is just cope because the cannon was too cool to be used only on the FAZZ
>>23702307A1 is atmospheric-only but C1 can also be used there, though it needs some kind of preparation at a mothership for the entry itself so it's still not as versatile as a proper waverider
>>23702307I feel like rifles being stowed in MA mode is a handwave you're not supposed to think about, same thing happens in macross. There's no way the mecha can articulate enough to stick the guns where they do when transforming, but they end up there anyways
>>23702313in that sense the TR-6 does it quite well because you can just stick it on the articulated sub arm
>>23702323Is this... beam rifle paizuri?
>>23702334listen if I could do it I would do it too
>>23702300>By that time, I was already sketching out the G-Fortress enhancement plan in the 1/100 ZZ instructions, and the Hi-Megacannon was something I drew back then; when a feature was put together in Newtype magazine leading up to the ZZ finale, I tacked it onto the cels I drew for that. Not long after, Mr. Ushikubo scratch-built it in Model Graphix, which led to the Sentinel's FAZZ, right?Ohnononononono, retardkun???
>>23702335That seems.. dangeorus
It's really funny to me how seemingly nobody refers to it as Gundam Inle even though that's kind of the official title for it all. Black Rabbit had a Dream and Re-Boot are both subtitles.
>>23703125AOZ Reboot is the title they officially shorthand it to. It's in a weird place because it's technically more of a supertitle (? I don't know what to really call it, but a series-designation/overarching title) than a subtitle despite the formatting. It is always A.O.Z Re-Boot ガンダム・インレ-くろうさぎのみた夢- when written in full. I think Gundam Inle is merely emphasized on the covers in English because it's the part of the title containing "Gundam."
>>23703125From the thumbnail I though the white part of the drum frame was a bare thigh+ass
Wish I knew how to save Instagram pictures without jank screenshot methods
>>23702308>the FA ZZ having the canon is just cope because the cannon was too cool to be used only on the FAZZI mean pretty much that's what actually happened. FA ZZ's hyper mega cannon feels like those modelkit exclusive items and gimmicks that don't actually exist in the real continuity of the anime.
>>23703834I hate Unicornslop, but I have to admit this is pretty cool
>>23703834There is no "real continuity"
>>23703834cept FAZZ didn't get it til well after ZZit's just an MSV but you're losing your mind because you said something wrong
>>23702300Holy shit, what a coincidence
Since this is where all the Sentinel intellectuals gather, what can you tell me about SII? Is this all we have, or did they make more before the project was canceled? Slightly unrelated, but Katoki says here that the Ex-S was designed as the "strongest gundam". I guess that's as close we're getting to hard confirmation of it being the absolute best machine of the era. I wonder how a full-power Ex-S with ALICEi n full ovulation mode would fare against other "monster units" of the same period. I feel like she'd win barring newtype reality warp bullshit
>>23703941That's all we have in terms of original material. Many people have made other animations, scratchbuilds etc in the years since. Sentinel probably would have continued for a very long time in the vein of something like AoZ if they hadn't had all the corpo fuckups with their collaboration.
>>23703941>. I wonder how a full-power Ex-S with ALICEi n full ovulation mode would fare against other "monster units" of the same period. I feel like she'd win barring newtype reality warp bullshitThe strongest Gundam of the time would be the Inle so no, it would lose.
Why are sentinel anons like this
>>23703944What corpo fuckups?>>23703954Is Inle a Gundam by nomenclature? I feel like she's in the same grey area as Dendrobium
>>23703967https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=12351
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>>23703975Oh my god why is it so tiny
>>23703955There's just one guy who's been chimping out for several months whenever he loses arguments
>>23703967...Dendrobium and Inle are both Gundams, there's no room for ambiguity.
People always love to make "super unit" customs with parts from all their favorite machines, 4 hrududu units, etc. But what about a cheaper "gruntified" version? Sure, the TR-6 program was intended to be fit for mass production, but so is every prototype and they end up stripped down to even cheaper when the time comes to mass produce them anyways. So how would (You) make gruntified TR units?
>>23704600Barzam is already that for TR-S so we have that at least.But for TR-6 there's nothing to scale down really, the core design is already simple and adaptable and can use preexisting parts and equipment to cut down costs even further and ensure ease of usage for inexperienced pilots.
>>23704602Well, we could: >Remove transformation feature (and butt gas system, maybe even the entire butt. Or is that where the cockpit is?)>Give it a smaller/less powerful reactor, most equipment comes with supplemental ones anyways>Remove or shrink the sub-arm>Instead of CSBs, give them cheaper loadouts like a hazel rifle and a standard shield. Could probably give them the refined Barzam loadout desu>Removal of any osrt of psycommu antenna framework>Give them a shittier BUNNyS with the loadouts already preset instead of having it learn and adapt to new equipment or whatever it is it does. Maybe make it purely software-based with no dead psychic children too>If we want to go full cheapskate, completely remove Woundwort's ability to operate as a MS without addons. Either turn it into a core fighter or a quadruple amputee, serving essentially as a core block for the various loadouts
>>23704606>Remove transformation feature (and butt gas system, maybe even the entire butt. Or is that where the cockpit is?)You could just not attach the booster pod to the drum frame I guess, even use that to attach a GM II or Hizack backpack there instead. At that point the transformation isn't really functional anyway.>Give it a smaller/less powerful reactor, most equipment comes with supplemental ones anywaysSince it's built out of TR standard parts the generators can probably be slotted out for lower spec ones, true>Remove or shrink the sub-armFair enough, just don't attach it to the drum frame honestly. Could stick a small maneuvering thruster there or just basic armor plating so the front of the frame isn't completely exposed>Instead of CSBs, give them cheaper loadouts like a hazel rifle and a standard shield. Could probably give them the refined Barzam loadout desuSimple enough too, we've seen that before even>Removal of any osrt of psycommu antenna frameworkIt's just a mounting point on a head that's already very modular, hardly a big deal>Maybe make it purely software-based with no dead psychic children tooBUNNyS already is that. Production process nonwithstanding, it's just installed like any other program> completely remove Woundwort's ability to operate as a MS without addons. Either turn it into a core fighter or a quadruple amputee, serving essentially as a core block for the various loadoutsWe call that Hrududu IIThat's the thing about Woundwort. Any kind of scaled down form would still be better off using the same framework but just less fancy rather than being a different model based on the design. It's gonna be like a "Woundwort Minus" rather than a GM equivalent in terms of development process.
>>23704606Cockpit is in the torso, which is the Primrose IIThing is, they were pretty well capable of MPing the TR-6. They made several before the war ended, then they proceeded to mass produce them on Mars.So it's already a grunt - why would they need to cheapen it?
>Woundwort-liteDrum frame but with OYW MS limbs
>>23704628Every "GM-type" is a "minus" version of their parent Gundam, so if we get there I'd say we've achieved our goal. I was originally thinking of the MP ZZ when I made the suggestion, (though that one specifically is kind of a piece of shit for various reasons). Only instances of the MP versions being better would be the Qubeleys and the Zeta Pluses (and even then I think they drop the biosensor). And maybe the MkV depending on how you look at it.>>23704631Sure, but those were testbed units, not produced in truly massive amounts. As for Mars, they have a lack of R&D personnel and an excess of resources, so they just mass produced the blueprints they already had while disregarding the cost. I don't think we should view ReZeon as an example of the cost-effectiveness of the project (also they lost their war, so clearly it didn't work out for them)
>>23704628>It's just a mounting point on a head that's already very modular, hardly a big dealNTA but got real pet peeves with this. F90's gotten into it too with the F90N and Mars F90 2, but how does anyone look past that psycommu needs to be integrated into the cockpit? It doesn't make any sense to be able to just tack on a psycommu system with external equipment.
>>23704637The only reason they weren't produced in massive amounts is because the Titans completely fell apart, though. They had the resources and intention to roll out the Woundwort on a largescale. And they would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for that meddling girl!
>>23704643I now have this headcanon of Kamille never getting charged with anything despite being part of a terrorist organization due to everyone looking for "a girl who pilots a gundam"
>>23704634we can go further>>23704637I more so meant it that a GM is still a distinct and different machine, it's not a Gundam with some bits taken out. That is a part of it as well but with "normal" suits it's not so simple, there's more changes and modifications before it's practical for mass production.But a Woundwort really would be just swapping out some parts and in theory it could be easily modified into the "original" specAlso the whole idea with ReZeon is that it IS showing how the TR Plan can shine in the right circumstances, something it couldn't have with the Titans. It's just that good weapons aren't the only thing that wins wars in the end.>>23704639BUNNyS itself is a psycommu system of a kind already so it works out.First time F90 unit 2 was equipped with the N Type it had to do a full OS reset to make it work.Mars Gundam already has Psychoframe in the cockpit.
>>23704646>terrorist organization>t. TitanA lot of them folded into the EFF without issue after the war.
>>23704649I mean, he did start his carrear by essentially stealing a cop's gun and shooting up the place while threatening people
>>23704648Operating System resets are purely software. The hardware for a psycommu system needs to exist in vicinity to the pilot. It literally reads brainwaves, you can't just have it sitting on the otherside of a metre of metal.
>>23704650*a fascist taskforce member's gunReally Kamille's only issue is he didn't stomp on enough people there.
>>23704651Evidently you can, these manga are written by people that definitely know better than us.
>>23704650You're correct, but the world as a whole came to view the Titans as the terrorists (kinda because they were) as the truth came out. Terrorist one way, revolutionary another.
>>23704654Ple 2 and the psycommu headset disagrees, as does just about every other design and work until it. It's so weird to treat people as infallible and just never question things solely because they're making something official.
>>23704658That's not at all what I'm saying but go off igI'd much rather thrust people that work on this for a living and have access to a lot more of these resources than we do over a random anon nitpicking things thinking he knows better. For all we know it is in fact explained somewhere but frankly I just couldn't be arsed to look for it.
>>23704662Meanwhile:>What should the N pack be?>Well definitely Newtype>Oh, it'd be cool if it was just something that combined onto it, that'll be marketable>But th->Have drafts on my desk by MondayIf you wanna have a more interesting conversation with any other units that have ever done it, or any sort of theorizing on why it works, or what it may mean for anything else to be able to be controlled with a psycommu system next door instead of in your own cockpit, I'd love to have that conversation. Passive aggressive bullshit isn't very interesting though. Sorry it isn't constructive enough for you to question the design decisions made in recent lore in a thread where people are happy to deep dive into the technologies of the franchise.
>>23704662>I'd much rather thrust peoplefreudian slip?
>>23704668Just to be clear here, I'm not dismissive of the topic. I'm dismissive of you and your attitude.>>23704671Perchance.
>>23704674Right back at you. I recommend you be less of a defensive little whiner because someone said an element of tech wasn't very thought out.
With enough motivation, anything can be psycommu, even a Zaku
>>23704683The Zaku III has a biosensor.
>>23704684depends on the source, lots of things are kinda vague about it. Logically it probably does tho
>>23704687Yeah, many things definitely depend on the source, but Zaku III Custom's biosensor goes back to the original kit manual and has been repeated several times. One of the most recent examples I can think of that repeats it is GBO2, but I think Engage referenced it as well.
>Local Axis engineers wonder why they're broke after repeatedly designing grunts that cost the same as the ZZ
>>23704696to be fair f you're outnumbered 20 to 1 you gotta have SOMETHING to even the odds
>>23704696Imagine actually looking at the Zaku III, what might well be the highest performing grunt MS conceived by that point, and saying "that's not enough. We need Doven Wolves."And while that's happening some other absolute maniac is printing Qubeleys.What the FUCK were they thinking?
>>23704698The funniest part is that if it wasn't for Glemmy doing the silly it might have worked
>>23704703Some say it all could have been avoided if Haman merely had screentime
>>23704637Didn't they end up losing mars after Inle got commandeered? I have no idea how to read black rabbit
>>23704737We don't know exactly what happens, the manga currently ends at Inle changing sides and Mars Zeon + Titans launching distraction attacks across all major sites. We know Mars Zeon will eventually be in charge but how exactly it happens is unclear. Recent background materials from F90 manga indicate the later Mars Zeon incorporates the remains of ReZeon and the past conflict is seen as a civil war.
>>23704737We don't get the full picture yet, the only thing we know is that TR-6 and SSD's Hrair-turned-ZZZ/AoZ-Gundam will fight it out sometime, and that ReZeon loses the Martian war.
I-fields are really strong magnetic fields right? Does that mean they fuck up electronics too? What happens if you use one in a city or similarly populated area, do you EMP city blocks? Do you kill everyone with a pacemaker? And do all the various minovsky flight technologies also have this effect? Batattleships fly over cities pretty often with no apparent side effects
>>23705905I grant you k n o w l e d g e
>>23705920Thank you, this was a cool read
>>23706152Interesting revolver setup with the e-pacs. And what are those six bits poking out where a bipod woudl be? i've seen them before on winch cannons
>>23706160Who's the pilot?
>>23706156The E-pac revolver was definitely an AoZ greatest hit from last year, I always have fun imagining if it's like a beam magnum, one shot per pac, or if it's just the mother of all beam machine guns. Just pump coolant through that barrel, and get the next e-pac in when the current one runs out of juice. Add a bellows-frame arm connection straight to the mobile suit reactor, and you got yourself a stupid amount of beam. As far as those barrel attachments go, I myself cannot remember, but I am sure some other anon knows. I was literally just looking at an example of the winch cannon application the other day, lemme see if I can find it.
>>23706168>>23706156Here's the aforementioned winch cannon example.
>>23706180I'm fairly certain it's in some official art piece too. Also, I had never considered the possibility of asymmetrical loadouts, those looks sexy. Like the Righ and Left hands of the Queen.
>>23706182The guy who modeled this was pretty cool, this Queenly and it's Kehaars are supposed to resemble, at least in spirit, the Gaz-L and Gaz-R escorting a mobile armor. It's interesting to see Neo-Zeon combat doctrine employed through the TR-plan parts ecosystem. I have more pictures buried in a folder. The Weibo mines always turn up some neat stuff. I have so much of it saved up from the last year, but it's hard to grab things from weibo that's got resolution without going past the size limit. Last time I brought something here it sparked some gnarly discussion, maybe this will too.
>>23706191Could always resize pictures in photoshop to fit the 4mb limit, that's what I do anyways>>23706197Waow... do you think she likes cuddling? And do her sisters have to be there or are they just driving her to the date?
>>23706156>>23706168>>23706182They're shown on Hrairoo II Rah and described as grenades. They mention the winch cannon can be equipped with physical ammo weapons there so I imagine other option launchers are good too and I believe we've seen it carrying an entire Hyper Bazooka as well.>>23706180>>23706197Very neat idea with the asymmetrical loadout, and even more so with the Inle INCOM on the back. Asshimar Rah reminding us that it exists was a godsend.
>>23706272so what, does the ms have to manually pick up each grenade and laod them into the winch cannon? Doesn't really seem like an option for your pic. Maybe the crotch arm can do it?
>>23706274I'm not really following? It's a grenade launcher, you just fire grenades from it.
>>23706276looks more like a rack to store grenades, which you would fire out of the winch cannon. Kinda like rifle grenades. If you're saying the tiny addon itself is a grenade launcher I don't really understand how it could work, unless the grenades just sort of awkwardly shoot diagonally down towards the feet of your own MS
>>23706281No... no it doesn't. It's a grenade launcher, anon. It fires grenades. It's that simple.
>>23706282So you're saying it works like A? I feel like B makes more sense
>>23706286Yes, it's definitely A
>>23706291Seems like a weirdly impracticale angle to mount them. Why not point them forward? or even "up" so you can shoot them when using the winch cannon itself as a shield? (the white part works like a shield right?)
>>23706293The angle isn't weird at all honestly, least of all when it's on a wired remote weapon that can attack from all sorts of angles itself. And it's not like you're firing a bunch of grenades for a precise strike, they're a disruptive and suppressive weapon to cover a wide area.And no, I don't think the winch cannon works as a shield.The idea of manually putting grenades inside an open barrel beam cannon and firing them like that is kind of absurd to be honest...
>>23706306Is it that absurd though? We know long barrels make beams converge by using strong magnetic fields, so presumably if you turn off the particle faucet and just put something ferromagnetic (like a metal greande casing) inside it could work as a railgun (it'd have to be designed to be able to do this, but it's not that big of a stretch). Also, I've noticed this illustration has an extra "barrel" attached to the grenade launcher, almost af is THAT is a barrel to shoot the grenades from. but again, would need manual loading like IRL underslung launchers
>>23706312Yeah it is kinda insane and ridiculous when you can just... launch the grenade from the launcher.The barrel here is the aforementioned bazooka, completely unrelated to the grenades.
>>23706315Sure, I get what you mean with the while "it's a wired weapon to it can aim in whatever direction" but also, every other gun barrel in the winch unit is pointed in the same direction. Surely you want to face all your weapons towards the same target, rather than have 2 barrels pointing towards the enemy and then the grenades just kinda off at a 45 degree angle like it's R-type
>>23706320Not really, you don't need everything to be facing forward. This whole conversation is just confusing to me to be honest, I feel like we're not on the same page at all here
>>23706322what reason would there be to have one weapon off at a fixed angle and every other gun pointed at the enemy? just seems odd is all
>>23706286I'm pretty sure the grenade launchers are aimed to the sides, not downwards
Interdasting.
>>23706854Very nifty. I don't think I have ever seen this gun before
