>>23702468
>dude old yellow press lmao! AND TWITTER PEDANTICS WOOOOO

>>23702468
Yeah, Zeta's tv ratings are pretty mediocre for the 80s. Lower than Xabungle's in spite of the Gundam brand and higher initial ratings. It didn't make it top the top 10 of anime tv ratings in the years it aired. It's mainly considered a success due to the Gunpla series.

It's why you see ZZ attempting a completely different direction afterwards, although it also didn't work out.

>>23702468
Wait so fujos were the original gundam fans, then model fans and general kid audiences became fans, then general kid audiences didn't like zeta but fujo and model fans did, then model fans didn't like zz but kids did, then legacy audience (former kid fans), model fans, and fujos showed back up for CCA?
Am I getting this right?

>>23702497
foids only liked 0079 and because of the character designs

Do not reply to Zetarager threads.

>>23702497
yeah the model kits for gundam came out after the first airing of msg had already ended. whatever fans from MSG originally existed weren't the Gunota, they came after.

>>23702468
>it was seen as the Seed Destiny of the 80s?
Yes

From pixiv

>When it first aired on March 2, 1985, Zeta Gundam was seen as difficult to get into due to its new characters and complex organizational conflict structure, and fans of the original series tended to have negative reactions to it.
>The viewership ratings also dropped significantly, from 11.7% for the first episode to 5.6% for the final episode, and it appears that the complex storyline and heavy style were not well received at the time of broadcast.

>>23702494
>source: my ass

>>23702468
That guy's still right though. The actual people who stuck around and kept the franchise alive were gunotas. The gunotas were the hardcore fanboys who were willing to stick it out through Zeta, ZZ, Turn A and more. They were the ones who wrote the side stories like Sentinel and manga and wrote university papers on this shit and fostered the franchise. The "OG" fans didn't even buy merch and almost got the show shitcanned and technically they did. The entire franchise got saved by teenage boys and young men who were looking for the next plastic model fix after Yamato.

>>23702468
At least it wasn't cancelled like a certain show before it...

>>23702468
how new are you? Zeta got decent ratings but couldn't match the insane numbers of 0079 re-runs. Till date, no Gundam show's average rating has crossed Zeta's (Seed came close), let alone 0079 re-runs.
Zeta has continued to grow popular and when the ANT trilogy was released in theatres a sizable portion of its attendees were female.
It came 2nd on all time Gundam rankings by NHK Gundam poll, which received 1.7 Million votes.

>>23702468
Funny that he calls it a "successful revision" as he tries to make a revision himself.

>>23702723
wasn't that what happened with Votoms? I think I read on here that the ratings were awful, but the kits sold so well that the model company was willing to pay to keep the show on the air, and the tv channel was certainly happy to take the money. Or am I misremembering?

>>23702744
And it even had a second season approved before it ended its run

>>23702497
Basically, yeah. 0079 is famous for flopping but having a small but dedicated fanbase that exploded in size with the movie compilations and model kits.

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>>23702522
>yeah the model kits for gundam came out after the first airing of msg had already ended
Bandai acquired the Gundam license because it was already gaining traction with scale modellers, who were scratchbuilding their own Gundam models
Picrel was featured in Hobby Japan 4 months before any official Gundam kits were released, for example. The idea that the modellers only came in later is just rubbish

>>23702772
Zeta also has somewhat comparable numbers to 0079's home releases, which are far higher than any other pre-2000 Gundam tv series or mecha anime in general. Only SEED and SEED Destiny have surpassed Zeta. Unicorn is in its own league.

It's really sad that people in this thread are genuinely trying to argue like TV ratings mean jack shit. Who fucking cares what the reception towards a show was? General audiences have always had shit and fickle tastes that are easily manipulated.

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>>23702497
>Am I getting this right?
No, you're being gaslighted by history revisionist.

>>23704379
People will say 1/3rd of something is a majority.

I think a big amount of shock and awe over modern fan demographics is just dudes being super duper surprised that 1/3rd of a fanbase is female, which isn't shocking or a large amount to those who're in the know.

Yes, women like rapist billionaire werewolf books. Just absorb it and get used to it and a bunch of shit will make sense and stop fucking going "erm, wow, are ALL the fans female?!?!?!?!?".

So basically fujos saved Gundam? That explained a lot of why /m/ is the way it is when it comes to fujo pandering I guess.

>>23704382
it's not a majority, but hitting 30% when you're expecting 0%/1% is pretty significant I think

>>23703760
It's important because a lot of the western perception of Gundam came from white otakus who didn't know jack shit about how well Gundam actually did and made up a ton of stuff that still get parroted today.

>>23702468
OK BOOMER

>>23704388
Was anyone really expecting an anime with some cute guys being evil towards each other to be 1% female? Were they just unaware? Did no one notice that chicks really really really wanted to see them having gay sex until gundam came out?

>>23704399
Maybe? Remember times were different back then, there's no social media and people were using phone books. Social circles and information is a lot more segregated. I doubt Tomino surround himself with fujos
Those fanmails might have legitimately been the first indication to Tomino that the show has a significant female fanbase.

I thought they liked the family drama?

>>23704412
you are correct, audience liked the found family aspect of whitebase members, it was like a soap opera.
both plamofags and fujos claim the credit for 'saving' gundam when neither should get it.
Gundam was saved by young adults (both gender) who liked the world and the mature storytelling of the show. Gunpla came late and kicked the already growing popularity of the show into high gear while fujos were only a small subset of female fans that were following the show from the beginning. They liked Char, compared to boys who were fans of Sayla.

I don't give a SHIT what 0079 purists have to say after the 0079 fanwank diarrhea that was Gcucks.

>>23702664

animesityouritsu1999.g2.xrea.com

the same week Zeta's final episode aired (5.6%), you had all these anime shows above it ratings-wise-

Mapple Town (10.9)
Obake no Q-Taro (19.6)
Kinnikuman (13.5)
Tobikage (6.9)
The Story of Polyana (16.2)
Touch (27.4) (baseball manga)
Robotan (10.1)
Fujiko Fujio Wide (19.3)
Dr.Slump (26.6)
Urusei Yatsura (18.8)
Blue Comet SPT Layzner (7.8)
Fist of the North Star (20.8)
Musashi no Ken (8.3)
Captain Tsubasa (10.7)
Space Battleship Saggittarius (10.9)
Gegege no Kitaro (24.5)
Manga Stories from Japan (22.5)
High School! Kimengumi (21.4)
And that's just including shorter anime, it's also bellow shows like Doraemon and Sazae-san that still air nowadays.

>>23702772
That's partially because average tv ratings dropped through the years. SEED's ratings for the early 00s are much impressive than Zeta's for the middle/late 80s. That said, you're right about Zeta doing really well in the NHK poll, but I'd say a large part of that is just Bandai's constant push for it (due to the good Gunpla sales) working in the end to associate it as the natural sequel of the first Gundam. Obviously, the same didn't happen with ZZ though in spite of looking at ratings and sales charts it should be pretty close to Zeta, but it did pretty badly in that poll. They've started pushing ZZ much less compared to previous decades after realizing it was just a waste of resources in that case.

>>23702468
Zeta has some of the most popular mechanical designs in the franchise, so regardless of how well the show was received on release it was profitable and successful as far as the higher ups were concerned.

Remember only Tomino and a small subset of fans really cared about Gundam being anything more than a way to sell plastic toys. The people who care about the stories being told tend to rate Zeta highly so ultimately it both succeeded at selling its toys and finding an audience that holds it in high esteem. Thats more than most mechanics anime can hope to achieve.

>>23702497
>Wait so fujos were the original gundam fans, then model fans and general kid audiences became fans, then general kid audiences didn't like zeta but fujo and model fans did, then model fans didn't like zz but kids did, then legacy audience (former kid fans), model fans, and fujos showed back up for CCA?
Yes! as always future is female

>>23704390
No, it's not important at all. Who gives a shit about how popular some cartoon was on the other side of the planet fifty years ago? What does it really change if Zeta actually wasn't that popular in Japan forty years ago? Popularity changes over time and now it is organically rated as the second best entry behind the original by the Japanese. It doesn't matter if it bombed at first, people have come to appreciate it.
You know what's even more important than that? Your own fucking opinion. If you don't like Zeta despite it being popular, so what? You can have that opinion and as long as you can back it up with a sound reason, people will respect your opinion. At least people who are genuinely interested in a conversation. Dick-waving about how much money your favourite show made or how many people watched it is retarded. Plenty of people still watch Marvel slop even though it seems like public sentiment is actively turning against it finally. In fact more people watched random Marvel slop like one of the utterly forgettable Thor movies than Zeta Gundam, does that make the shitty Thor movie better? I don't even like Zeta that much but I wouldn't dare say Marvel slop is better than Zeta.

>>23704441
>Gunpla came late
No it didn't. Gunota were part of the original fanbase and a big reason why Bandai commercialized gunpla. People were asking for model kits, not the other way around. This isn't even that esoteric, it's well documented that Gundam was popular among boys and had presence in hobby clubs. See >>23703668
or
https://www.zimmerit.moe/streambase-riding-the-gunpla-boom-in-the-early-days-of-gundam-model-mania/
That article is also literally why polyester putty became a standard tool in Japan's model building scene. It, and the follow ups, had a huge impact on the hobby. It came out just a few weeks after the first Nagoya re-run started airing.

>>23703668
>>23705244
>1980
yeah, so later. It had already been months since the show got called for cancellation and fan outrage that ensued.

>>23705217
The western fandom in general has a very bad understanding of Gundam's history and its success in japan, of what shows actually did well and which flopped. Its beyond overdue for people to start correcting it

>>23705523
So what shows did well and which flopped then? Because I'm still confused.

>>23705543
0079 TV flop, reruns hit
0079 movies hit
Zeta flop
ZZ hit
CCA flop
0080 hit
0083 hit
F91 flop
08th hit
Victory flop
G flop
Wing flop
X flop
Turn A flop
Seed hit
Destiny hit
00 hit
00 S2 flop
Age flop
Build hit
Build try hit
Build drivers flop
greco flop
Ibo hit
Gwitch hit
Gcucks flop

>>23705562
>ZZ hit
>CCA flop
>Wing flop
>00 S2 flop
These ones are wrong

>>23705562
fuck off retard

>>23705562
Unicorn went back in time again and made itself not exist.

>>23705562
a lot of these makes sense but
>Wing flop
was it really, I doubt it would get the dickridding it gets over the years if it was a flop

>>23705652
Wing was a flop in Japan but a huge hit in the west/internationally.

>>23705523
Who gives a flying fuck? Read my fucking post next time you knuckle-dragging, slack-jawed, pole-smoking faggot.

>>23705748
>Source: my ass.

TL;DR: If you liked Gundam at any point in your life, you're S.0.Y.

>>23705803
It's a well-known fact that the original Wing was not particularly well-received or popular in Japan, and the Japanese instead really enjoyed Endless Waltz.

>>23705599
Unicorn was a huge hit

>>23705790
I did read your post and it's complete nonsense. No one here was talking about whether Zeta was a good show or not based on its ratings. The topic was about how well it did on release and what were the contexts of the time that led to it. You're the one making the correlation that we're talking about quality of the show based on its ratings.

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>>23702468
This is pretty irrelavant since Zeta still has the highest TV ratings in the franchise. People always bring up the re-runs for 0079 because the original run was canned due to low ratings.

>>23702468
This guy alongside Petsu are ZZfaggots

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>>23702468
>there appears to be the existence of Japanese zoomers/zaps

>>23705748
>>23705835
>well-known fact
yet you can't give any citations.

>>23705882
People bring up the reruns because it proves Zeta was nowhere near being the most popular like Zetafags claim. It was in fact less than 1/4 of 0079 at its peak

>>23706016
>People bring up the reruns because it proves Zeta was nowhere near being the most popular like Zetafags claim.
But 0079 was canceled

>>23702468
>Only secondaries liked Zeta Gundam
What, like people who watched the movies instead of the TV series? It's not THAT different of an experience.

>>23705572
And gcucks flop

>>23706036
Interesting that you specifically cut off "at its peak" from your greentext.

>>23706056
Secondary here referrs to people who get into Gundam because they like the secondary products, like Gunpla, rather than the show itself. Secondaries like Zeta Gundam, they think the robots look cool and want to watch a show about the toys they bought, they dont actually care about the franchise beyond that.

>>23704473
If you look at what opposed it in its Saturday 17:30 timeslot you see Manga Douyou Monogatari with 13.8 and that stayed in the mid teens through out its airing.

>>23704480
>That's partially because average tv ratings dropped through the years. SEED's ratings for the early 00s are much impressive than Zeta's for the middle/late 80s.

Many cannot comprehend the surge in the number of channels from satellite and cable tv becoming mainstream in the mid-80s through the 00s. Going from 7 to 12 to hundreds of channels divided the audience up faster than the total size of the audience increased.

>>23702468
Very weird thread. Zeta Gundam is always ranked 2# in terms of franchise popularity hell there was a collective soiface on twitter when GQUUUUX played its OST in an episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUlg2dWq4Ug

>>23705882
>This is pretty irrelavant since Zeta still has the highest TV ratings in the franchise. People always bring up the re-runs for 0079 because the original run was canned due to low ratings.

Those numbers lack a lot of context. G Gundam's 4.1% in '94, Wing's 4.3% in '95, and SEED's 6.1% in '02 are actually much more impressive due to the amount of competition that had compared to Zeta's 6.6% and ZZ's 6.1%. Competing against ~12 shows and getting ~1/20 the audience is different than competing with 50 shows and getting ~1/20 the audience.

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>>23706036
>But 0079 was canceled

By an out of touch toy company that didn't even wait for the sales numbers on the slop box they pushed on the series.

>>23706190
I'd love a Zambot jigsaw puzzle

>>23705866
It's complete nonsense if you're a dumb fuck ESL like I'm starting to believe. The thread OP itself implies that Zeta was only enjoyed by secondaries, therefore implying "real" fans familiar with 0079 thought it was bad - a value judgement based on popularity as I discussed in my post. This entire thread is just Zetarager's shit bait regardless, I just hope I can convince people to elevate the discourse beyond "durr my show iz moar popular den urs xDDD."

>>23706187
Well the OP's argument was that at the time Z was not well-received. Of course their sources are opinion pieces and tv ratings, which don't tell the full story.

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>>23702497
>>23702522
>>23703665
>>23704379
>Wait so fujos were the original gundam fans,
No, this is popular westerner revisionism because it fits with feminists' propaganda. Fujos were present, but they weren't the "only original fans" or even the majority and even with their presence Gundam still failed during the tv airing.

"Gunota only got into Gundam after the movies" is just totally false.

The first gunpla kit, the 1/144 gundam was released in July of 1980, just 6 months after the tv broadcast ended and 9 months before the first film even came out. This basic fact already starts to contradict the idea that plamo modelers only got into gundam after the movies released. But you know what else people don't consider? What lead Bandai to even get the idea to make the decision to release Gunpla in the first place? Well they saw how well Yamato's plastic models did and Gundam fans were demanding the same. In fact demand for Gundam plastic models was so high that modelers were scratch building gunpla before the first kit was ever released!!! Do you realize how crazy that is?! Some of these builds were featured in old Hobby Japan magazines.

Fandoms, especially english-speaking fandoms for Japanese IPs are plagued with terrible information because:
1. you have a huge language barrier
2. a lot of this stuff is information is buried in interviews and old magazines, some of which haven't been digitized or are just hard to find online
3. you have people who want to push agendas selectively choosing what information to focus on, or just straight up lying

>>23702468
>He is Japanese. Is what he said true? Only secondaries liked Zeta Gundam and it was seen as the Seed Destiny of the 80s?
Not exactly.

The TV ratings were average. But the gunpla and merchandise sales for Zeta Gundam were AMAZING. It made Bandai so much money. And in the years after Zeta aired, it became a classic Gundam anime. If MSG was a bright flash fire, then Zeta was a slow consistent burn that never goes out.

Also Tomino said that no matter what he and the staff created, they could never match the the original Mobile Suit Gundam 0079. MSG was too perfect. It aired at the right time and right place to become a smash success. Plus MSG was designed to be complete and self-contained. So it's hard to make a sequel to such an anime.

So instead of comparing Zeta to MSG, just be happy that Zeta did reasonably well and helped maintain Gundams popularity.

>>23702468
In hobby magazines there was a sentiment from modelers that only 0079 and 0083 were Gundam

>>23707703
>you have people who want to push agendas selectively choosing what information to focus on, or just straight up lying
Like you.

>>23706229
>regardless, I just hope I can convince people to elevate the discourse
You literally can't. Only moderation cracking down on problem cases like they once did with Clawshrimpy will straighten this board out.

>>23709161
seethe

>>23706118
Interesting that you specifically cut off "your own dick" from your body.

>>23709554
cope

>>23706120
>Secondaries like 0080; 0083; and 08th MS Team, they think the robots look cool and want to watch a show about the toys they bought, they dont actually care about the franchise beyond that.
FTFY

>>23710989
This.

>>23710989
>0080; 0083
More normalfag secondaries have watched Zeta than these
Source: MyAnimeList

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>>23712000
>Source: MyAnimeList

>>23709084
Except 0083 was shit and not canon.

>>23712120
Yes, its proof that most tourists just getting in to Gundam watch Zeta while only people deep in the series watch 0080 and 0083

>>23704473
>Zeta had worse ratings than Layzner
So the former is objectively better than the latter? That's a first for a Takahashi show.

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>>23704473
>layzner

"Heh. Nothing personal, Eiji."

>>23702468
Interesting thing to me here is how "a big sale of newtype" is similar to Vegeta talking about a Super Saiyan bargain sale in regard to every living Saiyan being able to go Super Saiyan, even the kids. Which seems like a cultural phrase if so.
Not that comparing a thing being made common to a bargain sale isn't unheard of in English speaking countries, but the phrasing just seems particuar

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>>23712197
>kills your grandma, then kills your show
nothin personnel, eiji

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>>23712525
Someone did try to sus out the real reason Sanyo pulled their sponsorship, and they believe it was actually poor sales for their VCR and assorted home theater equipment rather than the heater incident (since that happened before Layzner).

>>23712537
I won't let a few facts get in the way of a good narrative

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>>23712544
It is funny how something completely unrelated to the business of mecha anime ended up tanking the show.

>>23702468
Ehoba is a weird autist. Take everything he posts with a grain of salt.
That being said this post happily leaves out how popular Zeta was with the Otaku crowd. Kamille,Char and Four all appeard in otaku magazines character polls as top characters and "Forever Four" got voted episode of the year. This also doesn't mention how well Zeta Gundam's Laserdiscs sold upon release.

>>23702494
Mecha in general was a falling genre. Also this post conveniently eaves out Zeta episodes 46-49 being within the 6 or 7 % viewer rating (aka the same as Layzner on average) Zeta being in the 5% range seems actually a bit rare all things considered. The finale getting that might be a error on that website considering the recap in between of Z to ZZ was viewed much higher.

>>23709161
So why are you lying anon? to earn some brownie point so that you can score some easy pussy?