Why can't mechafags ever actually prove that Evangelion isn't unique? I always hear how some other show did one aspect of Eva, maybe, in one episode out of 50 They never, ever directly state what shows are Eva before Eva, but they claim they exist
>>23710571Evangelion is Anno making references to Ultraman. >The EVAs have a three minute battery timer, just like how the Ultras have three minutes to fight before their solar energy runs low>Evangelion is covered in Christian symbols, just like how Eiji Tsuburaya mixed in references to his Catholic faith all over Ultraman>Adam is literally portrayed as a giant of light, which is what Ultras are>The EVAs are not true mechas, but a merge of human and alien, just like the UltrasIn addition, Evangelion is, for most of its runtime, a Monster of the Week show, which is not just how Ultraman is structured, but also how Mazinger Z, Getter Robo, and a shitton of other Super Robot shows (and even some Real Robot shows) are structured. Oh, and Jet Alone is wholesale a reference to Jet Jaguar from the Godzilla series. That’s not to say Evangelion didn’t do some unique things. But to claim Evangelion is a wholly unique beast that’s barely influenced by its predecessors just shows an ignorance of the Mecha genre and Tokusatsu.
>>23710571You can't watch Victory Gundam and tell me that Misato isn't just a whiter palate swap of Marbet
Where's your proof that it is unique?
Anno himself described it as Devilman meets Ideon afaik, he's someone who just adds things that he knows because he finds them cool. Evangelion is a lot of things, good might be one of those things, but it's not something wholly unique nor did it claim itself to be>but isn't it a unique thing because of the specific way it's a combination of other thingsOk sure but then everything's unique because Shitty Copy #17 is different from Shitty Copy #19
>>23710654>Devilman meets IdeonYou haven't watched any of the things you claim you do.
>>23710571Why can't you NGEfags admit anno is a hack who ripped off everything he grew up with and you're all not familiar with any of it because you're all secondary retards?
>>23710688Ok retardhttps://evaresources.wordpress.com/der-mond/
>>23710571Victory Gundam, also known as Anno's favorite Gundam.
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>>23710819The same thread was made on /a/ for reasons unknown>>>/a/285297174
Falseflag or legitimate, call it
>>23710990Evafags are vacuous enough to ask this genuinely despite even Anno himself and other fanboy websites like Evageeks pointing out how much shit he was "inspired" by. It's probably legitimate.
Nothing is original.
There's a difference between homages/inspiration, and ripping something off cheaply. In my opinion, Anno does the former, but internet hyperbolistic midwits loooove to point out how Eva is, like, a carbon copy of whatever Tomino did.BTW both Ideon and Eva took some huge inspiration from Clarke's Childhood's End. This should be common knowledge yet almost nobody mention it.
>>23710571It's literally just Gundam but Amuro pilots Ultraman instead and he never develops as a character because he has no friends and Tem Ray is giving him orders and belittling him every step of the way.
>>23711101You're telling me Ideon is about how humanity evolves due to aliens removing the social problems of the world? Might have to watch it now
>>23711156Yep, though in ideon's case the Overlords are a single super robot
>>23710571Evangelion is unique. The problem is Evafags that think that Evangelion is the only unique anime.
>>23711950No there's also Madoka.
>>23710601Every story is unique and special.
>>23712091Even yours!
>>23710571I think it's mostly because people who haven't watched much mecha talk about Evangelion like it completely subverted everything that came before, and how it's a "deconstruction" of the genreOf course it's a pretty unique series, but if you've seen anime you can definitely see the inspiration from Devilman and IdeonIt also has elements of Mazinga and Ultraman
>>23712125Don't forget Acrobunch and ARIEL.
>>23710581Knowing anno it isn't even a deconstruction of ultraman eitherPeople I've talked with like to cite>Muh imagery>Muh existentialismAnd then I hit them with the >Have you seen any ultraman, godzilla, or any rubber suit tokusatsu everAnd then they're all like "never heard of them"
>>23712189This. I was talking to a friend of mine who said he loved Evangelion. I said it always amused me about how all the religious symbolism is just Ultraman references and didn't mean anything... and he was in total denial about it.
The whole Ultraman thing seems massively overblown, because outside a few superficial elements and some epic dude recognise thing references, it's really not similar at all
>>23712690Nah it's pretty similar actually
>>23712125>>23712183>>23712189>>23712687These retards think they are better than the average normalfag because they read a wiki that shows a picture of crucified Ultraseven, unable to understand why someone would just enjoy the pretty visuals and thought provoking designs for someone used to western media. They are so retarded that they have held this grudge ever since they saw someone else mention that umm actually eva isn't original and all they do is jerk each other off listing the references eva might have.I guess for someone who considers passively consuming media (if they even do that in the first place) a hobby, it's impossible to imagine that someone would watch a show they find interesting or heard about somewhere and be done with it afterwards.
>>23712690It's obviously there, but there is a tendency in Eva discussion for people to pick one thing and start insisting that "THIS ONE is the BIG ONE that Eva RIPPED OFF" when obviously the whole thing is scattershot with all these different earlier shows and movies and they're taking a couple of ideas from X, and a concept from Y, and an aesthetic choice from Z, etc. and the whole thing's more of a patchwork quilt of inspirations from guys who've watched and loved a huge variety of different stuff and had it shape their own tastes in various ways
Evangelion actually takes a lot of influence from mid-20th century American sci-fi like Flowers For Algernonalsohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB12HNNDDcc
>you don't understand bro the cheap animation and cost cutting measures like holding on a single frame for minutes at a time is actually super deep and intricate and literary bro
>>23712716What are you on about?
>>23712690The actual structure is basically identical to Mazinger Z. Bunch of kids defend something super important beneath a science lab using giant robots, everyone except the MC jobs, sporadic upgrades and seeming new allies that last but a single episode before death, etc.Overall it takes until the ending to attempt something truly original
>>23714080I mean even the ending is Idevilonman Be Invoked. Asuka is Akira and Shinji is Ryou and the egg and subsequent primordial soup is the Ide, which is literally the collective consciousness of a dead race who destroyed themselves in the pursuit of power.
>>23714358Try actually reading devilman.
>>23714450I have. It's dogshit. But it's also clearly what the ending of eva is referencing.
Opinion discarded.
Why is it that Ideonfags only ever have a single gif of that kid getting her head blown off, you'd think nothing else happened in that movie
>>23714489Why are you using twitter?
>>23714494I don't, I see it here all the time, people post one webm and use it to claim the whole thing is amazing, see also Jinroh
>>23714502>I see it here all the timeYou are exaggerating a bit.
>>23714509No I'm notThis very thread has an example
I haven't seen the "unlike other mecha Evangelion is actually about XYZ....." claims since forever.I swear that a bunch of people got into mecha with WFM and Gcucks and they constantly insult and dismiss Evangelion and its (irrelevant and miniscule nowadays) fanbase.I get you bro, you've seen some Gundam, Ideon, maybe read Getter and now you think you are hot shit. But you gotta watch more, seriously.
>>23714605I doubt anyone got into mecha because of Gcucks. Even yurifags hated that.
>>23714552Fucking where?
>>23714607Tons of people got into Gundam thanks to gquuuuuux. Not that you were there to see it though.
>>23710581>In addition, Evangelion is, for most of its runtime, a Monster of the Week show, which is not just how Ultraman is structured, but also how Mazinger Z, Getter Robo, and a shitton of other Super Robot shows (and even some Real Robot shows) are structured.>>23713915I was going to ask if anyone mentioned the British Puppet shows...
>>23713919This but unironically
>>23714489>The movieBecause it's the most shocking and memorable part of the movie that doesn't need multiple episodes of context to understand and appreciate>The rest of the showPeople post Ideon screaming, Light rays, the Ideon Gun, it slicing the planet in half, etc. a lotMaybe pay attention
>>23712725>there is a tendency in Eva discussion for people to pick one thing and start insisting that "THIS ONE is the BIG ONE that Eva RIPPED OFF"this shit kills me, they do it with Ideon too
I feel sorry for people who didn't get to watch Evangelion back in the 90s, or maybe early 00s too... but nowadays, most people get into Eva all spoiled, probably the first thing they know is how EoE ends, and instantly get bombarded with trivia information such as Anno was inspired (aka "ripped off" according to internet hyperbole) by stuff like Ideon, Devilman and Ultraman. Most people probably got to know Ideon because of the "eva ripped ideon off!" meme (despite both Ideon and Eva being inspired by classic 50s sci-fi novels, but midwits are too ignorant to know or care about that).Anyway, I digress. The thing is that it's almost impossible to go into Evangelion in 2022 without reading all sort of memes and being practically pre-conditioned to think this or that about it, instead of going into it blind like how I went back in the 90s. I wish people could experience Evangelion that way, but it's likely impossible in this day and age.
>>23715886True very sad, I first saw it on adult swim before it became popular with the normal fags of today. Good times, luckily I own the boxset with the directors cut episodes.
>>23715886/thread
>>23715911>on adult swim before it became popular with the normal fags of todayThe irony
>>23715886>it's good as long as it's the only thing you've ever watched and you were 14
>>23716169I was 21 back then and had already watched stuff like Yamato, Harlock, Mazinger, Robotech and films like Akira, GitS, and "mazinger the movie" (actually the live action Red Baron tokusatsu film, but was marketed as mazinger for familiarity I guess).I was familiar with at least part of the Eva influences when I first watched it.
>>23711967Princess tutu*
>>23715911Fun fact: the director's cut versions are actually the default home video version in Japan, with the original TV broadcast episodes only getting released for the first time in 2000/2001 on the Second Impact Box sets.The west first got the original TV versions of eps 21-24 on home video, before Japan actually got their home releases in 1998 or so, production of the LD/VHS releases ceased at Genesis:10 (eps 19 and 20), and resumed with Genesis:11 after the movies were released. So for a while, Japanese fans had to rely on watching these final episodes recorded from TV, or importing the western VHSs, but they were fucked if they wanted LDs.Around that time, the japanese DVDs were also released (with 4 episodes each, instead of just 2).Getting the original broadcast TV versions in DVD on the Second Impact Box set was a novelty for japanese fans
>>23710571Evangelion would be good if the producer wasn't exposed as a complete hack-fraud combo that only ever disguised a reference to a reference to a reference mixed with his own incompetence as depth when in actuality it was nothing more than surface level window dressing and not actual honest world building or story telling. The movies proved the original series were a fluke and that someone else should have taken over the creative direction and property rights because any potential this series might have had as an original work was strangled in the crib.I say this as a someone who really liked and still likes the show, but it shocks and annoys me how few English speakers talk about the pretentious disingeniuous fraud that it is. Nothing about it is even remotely original, people claim it's Japanese and their Sci-Fi and how foreigners should not be concerned, but this is all bullshit talk. It's an overwhelmingly European eggcorn collection as far as its ingredients go and markets its self to them, Anno can fuck right off with that deflection given how much he butchers those very ingredients. Japan's toxic creative culture in the anime industry is ultimately the main problem with it. Maybe someone like Kojimbo would have been better at it, at least he is an honest hack who cares for the craft rather than tainting things with his personal baggags and nonsense. In an age where so many bad tropes exist in places like Hollywood, the show turned franchise in Evangelion is the strange exception to many of them. Because yes, the authors ARE the actual source of problems here and the work would benefit from a change of hands. This is not arrogance, it is drawing poison from the wound which they arrogantly keep on life support, never ending.
>>23711038It's interesting to go on those websites like Evageeks or Evamonkey and immerse yourself in the cognitive dissonance of anime fans as a foreigner to it all, watch as they pull the mental gymnastics to cover the ass of the cult leader. I observe the same reality distortion bubble on /a/ too and among amine fans in general, they are living in their own dream world divorced from hard grounded truths and realities, under the guise of "media literacy" or some meaningless buzzword like that. Someone needs to cut down these now current generation cultural phenomenons to size.
>>23712716This is projection, weeaboo faggots constantly excuse their sacred cow of a forever-IP "hobby" franchise for this crap.
>>23715886I saw it blindly out of the blue in 2023 and saw all the episodes, watched the film, and the reboot in a span of weeks read most of the supplementary material in the comics, played the games, did art, and even I still saw through the bullshit and saw this pulp fiction for how sloppy it was.
>>23716576Sounds like he struck one of your nervs
>>23716580>speedwatchingAlso I don't believe you went into Evangelion without being exposed to it at all in 2023. You probably went into it with preconceived ideas and how it was "ackshusually a ripoff of [insert one of the many Anno things he likes]
>>23716570>>23716575>>23716576>>23716580This zoomie fuming so bad.
>>23716570>Maybe someone like Kojimbo would have been better at it, at least he is an honest hack who cares for the craft rather than tainting things with his personal baggags and nonsense.
>>23716582>>23716583>>23716594>>23716597>samefagging this hard to defend against someone tearing apart your weebshit pulp fiction to smitherinees
>>23716583Thanks for proving my point by bringing up a whole bunch of blind unrelated assumptions because you are unable to even conceive of someone who isn't as terminally online as the average poster on this website. Fun fact, most people don't know about any names when watching something the first time.
>>23716619>>23716621Take a cold shower lil bro, it's okay.
>>23716619Gendo when you walked into NERV did you see a sign that said dead Rei storage?Fujimoto you know I ain't seen no sign-DID YOU SEE A SIGN THAT SAID DEAD REI STORAGE?No, I didn'tYa know why? Because storing dead Reis ain't my fucking business!
>>23716624You are an American wigger.
>>23716583>no no this can't be... my 2deep4u anime... is not le deep???
>>23714863No they didn't
>>23714863>Tons of people got into Gundam thanks to gquuuuuux.That's crazy to hear. It's not newbie friendly and if it was your first I feel like that ending could turn you off from the whole franchise.
>>23716784I never said anything like that, just that you never watched it without previous preconceptions taken from the internet in 2023
>>23716885>you never watched it without previous preconceptions taken from the internet>implying that people aren't more likely to take preconceived notions from stumbling upon the porn (aka the only reason anyone cares for anime in the first place, the hot gurl designs)
The concept of Gurren Lagann being a functioning metaphor for Christianity while Eva just has all that for the lulz is hysterical to me
>>23716833>It's not newbie friendly and if it was your first I feel like that ending could turn you offWhen has this ever been an issue? Did you seriously forgot the first time you saw anime and thought "woah that's fucking cool I want more of it" or am I seriously surrounded by streamingonly zoomers that never experienced rental dvds, borrowed VHS tapes and late night cable?>beginner friendlyamericans are fucking dumb but you don't need to put everyone else at your level.
>>23717174I don't think you are qualified to know what a metaphor is.
>>23717174TIL Joe is Jesus Christ fml fr
>>23717174ngl if Christ's return is like, a giant Holy Ghost that super robot fights giant robot devil that's kinda fucking cool
>>23717174Maybe it's not so much a Japanese problem plaguing Evangelion so much as most Japanese industry directors being the problem, either way everything about anime and anime IPs are rather hysterical and nonsensical when you think about it. Anime thrives on whoring its self with whatever sells merchandise after all.
>>23717224>japan has a thriving local economy >this is a problem to americans for some reason
>>23717228What does this have to do with the famed Japanese lack of originality and writing ability in this situation? Did the war turn most of the men there into sissies?
>the famed Japanese lack of originality and writing abilityUh oh, we are reaching dangerous dunning kruger peak levels.
>>23710571the main problem with eva is that its popular
>>23710571Explain the yuri
>>23717315Japan would be nowhere in terms of popularity or fondness if they didn't copy everything they possibly could from the Europeans. I laugh when pretentious hacks like Hideako Anno say that "outsiders must adapt" when he built a literal fortune on plagiarizing and bastardizing outsider ideas and iconography. It's actually even worse because Evangelion is the literal pic related of Japanese media.
>>23710591she isn't, marbet doesn't have the same psychological issues, in V Gundam she's the only stable adult in Uso's life and the ideal woman.
>>23717793Japan is the Britain of Asia
>>23717793>laugh when pretentious hacks like Hideako Anno say that "outsiders must adapt"It seems that made you seethe.Good.
>>23718698Never understood this reddit mindset
>>23718699Reddit would be against Anno and his xenophobia
>>23710571Growing up is realising that EVA is a nice celebration of a lot of tropes that came and went in the media industry of Japan, but in a more polished, rapid-fire, and entertaining way. It took a lot of inspiration, but it also forged its own identity, and it's what matters the most. A lot of people love Gurren Lagann, and there's not nearly as much of a discourse saying "It took inspiration from a lot of other anime, so it's not unique"; it's just fun and entertaining shows
>getterfag>hideous postClassic
>>23718990What is the point of using this site if you don't bother explaining your thoughts on the things you supposedly like?
>>23717123>y'know, I thought there was gonna be a lot more facesitting in this show...
>>23718698>nooo stop criticizing my bullshit you simply arent the target audienceCope
>>23719183Still mad? Damn.
>>23710688>The creator compared it to these two things>YOU'RE STUPID FOR COMPARING IT TO THOSE TWO THINGS Yeesh.
>>23717204Has nothing to do with intelligence, so many important parts of Gquuuuuux lack emotional weight without experiencing the context of the original series. Namely Lalah and Char's relationship which is literally at the center of their universe.
>>23718990It's an extremely reasonable post. Did you just assume it was trolling from the image or something?
Okay, so Evangelion made a... themed massager with Panasonic, and it has a replaceable Longinus driver tip... This is probably gonna be more painful than that freaking Zeon commander type massager from last time. I mean seriously.
>>23720040https://x.com/i/status/2014167933774348683Correction, it's actually a screwdriver, and the Longinus Bit is limited to 300 units.
>>23710571Why is it necessary to prove Evangelion is unique? Why can't it be acknowledged for what it was/is without being propped up as some sort of untouchable masterpiece?
>>23719390Irrelevant.
>>23720146Because it's popular, therefore we must endlessly glorify it because it's popular or denigrate it because other subjectively better things remain less popular.
>>23721016People here hate popular things though.
>>23715436>unironicallyNot a real word.
>>23724035All words are made up
>>23724036Some more than others.
>>23710571Their moms are still hotter.
