I'm a shitter who dislikes most mook suits save for the Jegan, so I agree.
>>23710623>fedshit>GOAT of anythingLmao. Also that hospital green color is absolutely repugnant.
>>23710627Zeon Glazers like you are why Gundam is shit these days.
>>23710623pretty much yes, it's the gold standard of mass produced mobile suits. It remained in service for decades and later successor models pretty much just aspired to be the Jegan of the modern era.
>>23710628>it's Zeon's fault Sunrise forgot how to draw and animate so even high budget movies are now made in Miku Miku Dance running on 2005 laptop with Windows XPSanest fedshitter.
Nope
>>23710627Hell yeah bodied these e*Rthnoid frea->>23710636Did you just disrespect MMD? THAT'S IT I'M A TITANS PATRIOT NOW WATCH OUT G-3 GAS FODDER ONE WHITE DEVIL WASN'T ENOUGH
>>23710623I am a lover of the OG GM, but honestly I think >>23710631 has it right on the money. Jegan is a worthy successor and a successful machine.
>>23710637>mass produced>they made like 30 units
*gets beaten up by a midget*
>>23710623
>>23710942Another W for short kings.
I want to see Jegans show up in Hathaway 2 so bad, even if it means Hathaway uses them for target practice.
>>23710623>Is Jegan the GOAT of mass production suit?Is any mad lad ever tried to mass produce it IRL? no? then it's not worthy of "mass production" title.
>>23713147We did it, we found the one guy buying the Michaelis.
>>23710623Close but the GOAT is the GM.>>23710942Both are awesome, fuck I love grunt MS so much.
Yes. It's the F-16 of mobile suits pretty much. Light, cheap, maneuverable but still effective
>>23717025Every time I see that head I think ARL-99 Helldiver.
>>23718650Yeah, the smooth helmet does give off the same silhouette
>>23713148Forget Michaelis, dude nabbed the entire stock of GN-X IVs (pbandai exclusive btw)
>>23710623Jegan is the BF-109 of gundam.Is kinda shit for everything, but has a variant for any of the roles.
>>23710623Best Jegan coming through
>>23722141Too blue.
>>23710623So far I've watched CCA and F91. I'm pretty sure in both of the movies the Jegan doesn't kill a single thing and only exists to get blown up. The ball made a better showing than the jegan.
>>23722357if you watch Unicorn you can see one almost do something
>>23720680>>23722357It had the misfortune of being in a movie so it doesn't get much good screen time and the animators spend more time using them to set up triple kills for Char than doing anything too productive.>>23722357>Jegan doesn't kill a single thing Technically the Jegan shot down a damaged Re-GZ and in one of the CCA novels destroyed the Alpha Azieru
>>23710623Yes. Yes it is. My main kit in Gundam Breaker 4 was a Stark Jegan Blue Destiny with a Jesta backpack, that I recreated from one of those silly Char's Counterattack comics where he runs into ridiculous MS combo's and designs.>>23720668And all the goddamn Strike Daggers. Also Pbandai. Geezus.
>>23722370They get a buncha kills at Palau when they effectively ambush ZZ era MSes IIRC.
>>23722448Yeah probably, I think the High Mobility Jegan with the dual rifles gets a kill, and in the last episode maybe Conroy's kills something too? More just a joke that even in the coolest intro sequence that gasses up the Jegan the best of basically anything ever it still doesn't even kill a funnel.
>>23722357Ball is goat.
>>23710623Yeah.
>>23710623Gundam version of the F-15.
>>23723907What's the F-22?
>>23725257Jesta, alternatively the ECOAS Jegans
>>23725257>>23725270This is the F-22 of UC. Jesta is more of a F-21 or F-15SE
>>23725343shouldn't that be the YF-23 since it was rejected?
>>23725363If that's the case I don't think UC really had anything resembling the status of F22 until maybe F90? That would make sense for the Federation as they basically had run out of any potential adversaries after CCA.
>>23722370>took twenty two years for them to not be faceless, guileless mooks slaughtered by the dozensThat's a grim showing.
>>23725874We're never told how many they've really made but the F91 is basically the peak of what the Federation officially adopts in some kind of production run, so it's probably the F-22 of things.
>>23722357
>>23710947best post in thread
>>23726225Paper Doga...
>>23710623The Zaku is better.
>>23726225>>23726250>early UC size, late UC armorGeara Dogas were just ahead of their time!
>>23728635>and it's not even close
>>23726225>Anaheim Exec laughing at the bank
>>23726225Brutal.
Which Jegan variant has the best legs?
>>23722276No such thing
>>23710623its by far the most aesthetically pleasing
>>23737869You know it.
>>23710623>Is Jegan the GOAT of mass production suit?Not exactly. It was the Federation's last decent attempt at mass production. But I would say the Jegan wasn't the best they could do during the 0090s. During the 0079, the GM was a really solid attempt at a mobile suit. High end with brand new beam rifles and beam sabers. This was cutting edge technology. Maybe only slightly below the original Gundam, but the GM was still quite good.During the 0080s, the Federation was constantly testing the limits of designs. Such as Hizacks (dominated everything during the early 0080s), Marasais, Asshimars, and Barzam. These were very high performance mass produced suits.In comparison, the Jegan feels rather bland. The Federation was only putting in a half-hearted effort. Sure, the Jegan had the latest technology but it was quite clearly a very "budget" mass production suit. The Federation could have done better if they wanted to.In car terms, if the UC 0080s were filled with Ferraris (Ashimars and Barzams), then the Jegan was Toyota Corrola. Not even a high end Toyota. Just a base model car.
>>23739191>Maybe only slightly below the original GundamThat'd be GM Sniper 2 or GM Sniper iirc >Such as Hizacks (dominated everything during the early 0080s)I wonder how, when they're basically Gelgoog tier and can't power multiple beam weapons.
>>23739205>I wonder how, when they're basically Gelgoog tierManga shows them easily dominating old One Year War mobile suits and easily defeating leftover Zeon remnants. >and can't power multiple beam weapons.I don't even understand where this meme came from. Are you making fun of Hizack's machine gun? The reason they use machine guns is because Hizacks often go inside colonies for mobile suit battles. You can't shoot beam rifles inside colonies. It's a sealed cylinder. Firing a beam rifle means the beam will continue traveling, and hit the inside of the colony wall and kill nearby civilians. The beam may potentially even punch through the wall of the colony. That's why Hizacks use machine guns anti-remnant operations inside Colonies.
>>23739212>I don't even understand where this meme came from. Are you making fun of Hizack's machine gun?Having to power up weapons platforms in pairs iirc
>>23739205>can't power multiple beam weapons.A GM reactor can power a beam saber and a beam rifle. A Hizack has a more powerful reactor than a GM. Therefore a Hizack can power multiple beam weapons.
>>23739212I'm honestly surprised that Gundam fans don't have common sense and expect all mobile suits to always be running around with beam weapons. It's the worst weapon to use inside or around a colony.>BEAM BEAM BEAM. WHY DOESN'T IT HAVE MORE BEAMS??? NO BEAMS?? IT'S WEAK! NEEDS MORE BEAM!!Pure autism from Gundam fans. 08th MS Team showed us that mobile suits are supposed to choose the best weapon for the job.
>>23740134Why isn't every MS a Geymalk? Every MS in existence should just be replaced with Geymalks.
>>23740179I... I... I AM... I AM GONNNNNAAA B--B---BEAAAAAAAM!
>>23740214The Geymalk needed way more beams than they could fit on a mobile suit so once they ran out of space on the frame itself they decided to give it funnels too. But that still wasn't enough beams so they gave the funnels their own funnels so that it could vomit a hundred different beams in every possible directiontruly an 11/10 design
>>23710623This is real GOAT
>>23739205Gelgoogs have multiple beam weapons.>>23739212>I don't even understand where this meme came from.Early Hizacks had faulty reactors that couldn't reach their intended output due to Anaheim messing with the parts supply.https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/21735952/#21745696It's been a lore thing forever, remember when old games like AEUG vs Titans let you pick the Hizack but force you to use a heat hawk when you pick the beam rifle, or only allow the beam saber when you pick the machine gun? Or the old G Gen games doing the same thing with the different color variations of the Hizack? Or Giren's Greed doing the same thing?>Hizack with the beam saber has an ammo count of 140 for its machine gun, Hizack equipped with the heat hawk has ammo count of 10 for its beam riflehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2_mZcvhujs>EFSF Hizack has machine gun paired with beam saberhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcVAnl1Yl5E>Titans Hizack has beam rifle paired with heat hawkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHgrTuBKOso>Giren's Greed Hizack machine gun paired with beam saberhttps://girensgreed.fandom.com/wiki/Hizack_(Machinegun)More recent games started being more relaxed about it, but even Gundam Battle Operation 2 specifically mentions in the Hizack unit profile that their units have the reactor flaw corrected so you can intentionally choose the beam rifle and beam saber at the same time. You know they definitely had to put in that line of text just so autistic fans don't send the game devs emails about the Hizack being inaccurate.
>>23739205>That'd be GM Sniper 2 or GM Sniper iircThe GM Sniper II is as good if not superior. The Gundam is mainly famous because of Amuro. Otherwise it's kind of middle of the pack by the end of the war in terms of tech. It's not even better than the G-3, let alone the rest of the Gundams.
>>23739212>I don't even understand where this meme came from. Are you making fun of Hizack's machine gun?Model manuals say this. The MG details it the most. The pulse module for routing power or whatever can't handle charging a beam saber and using beam rifle at the same time. It's also why it still has external cables just to operate. The internal wiring is a mess because it's a frankenstein of Feddie and Zeon tech stuff into a beefy zaku body.IIRC AOZ retcons a few things. The Hizack is a cheap AE production version of a Federation developed state-of-the-art prototype Hizack, which was used as the base for some of the TTT hizack variants. There was internal fighting between the federation and AE over what reactor to use resulting in the design issues that led to power issues, but it was fixed in late production models. Pretty sure Master Archive also has some commentary about this.
>>23739212The prototype btw. You can see the beam rifle is standard.
>>23723907More like the M1 Abrams tank, same design for 30+ years, but continuously upgraded because nobody is interested in the time and money to design and build a new mainstay.
>>23741339>>23741336>>23740916Please explain to me how Hizack can have a 360 degree cockpit screen when it only has a single mono-eye main camera? We saw in ZZ Gundam that hooking up a Zaku head breaks the 360 cockpit and makes 360 cockpit partially non-functional.
>>23741454Zaku head lens FOV too small and camera system isn't suitable with panoramic cockpit view systems of the bodyHizack head lens FOV very big and cameras all over the MS are compatible with it's camera subsystemThink firmware and software and interfacing level compatibilities and compromisesSource: [just made it up]
>>23741454The Zeta Zaku didn't work because that was an impromptu field repair to a unit that wasn't 100% compatible.There's an episode in ZZ where Neo Zeon pilots are using Zaku IIs on flight units and those have fully functional panoramic cockpits.
>>23722370The Jegans in Unicorn are the best showing any grunt has ever had save for the GM Custom. Unicorn Jegans were actually a threat to the enemy and won several fights. The ReZELs ate shit though
>>23741454The same way any other MS has a 360 degree cockpit screen when it only has dual eyes facing forward. We saw in ZZ that old OYW Zakus can have panoramic cockpits.
>>23710623On the opposite end of the spectrum, the Nemo is the WOAT
>>23742589except for when they're unmanned, that's a buff to their performance
>>23742589I've been rewatching Zeta recently and it's shocking how much the Nemo is fumbled. There's an episode in the early-middle on earth where Amuro doesn't have a designated mobile suit yet and the writers had the option to either give him Char's Rick Dias or use a Nemo for an episode. For some unfathomable reason he shares the Rick Dias with Char.This was the easiest slam dunk of their lives, just have Amuro use the Nemo for an episode or even two to show what it can do, hype the machine up, and then leave it to job later to show how good the new Titan suits are. Instead, the Nemo is never ever shown to be a good suit, and just instantly folds because it's ALWAYS either a grunt pilot or one of the complete noobs like Katz or Fa.This genuinely annoyed me as a viewer.
>>23743009You are starting to realize that real life politics influence anime.The Rick Dias model kit was released before Nemo. Therefore Bandai wanted to promote the Rick Dias as much as possible. Therefore Amuro gets in the Rick Dias over the nearby Nemo. This is the exact type of thing that Director Tomino was upset about. Real life toy sales and politics slowly influencing the story he wanted to tell.
>>23743009Reminder that one time they stuck Amuro in a GM and had him eat shit. Char can't even tell that Amuro was piloting it.
>>23743009>I like the Nemoholy fucking shit taste you fuckhead
>>23743009Rick Dias is cooler.
>>23743862Early GMs didn't have the Gundam's learning computer data, so while mechanically their not that different from later GMs their software is inferior which makes them slower to react to commands.
>>23743862>le beam spray gun is only good at close range, amuro says from like 100m away>beam saber randomly doesn't work and Char kicks straight through where it should have been>z'gok is literally flying around like magicMan The Origin was garbage. Yas was only good at drawing.
>>23739191>but the GM was still quite good.But it wasn't. It got shit on all the time.
>>23741339I want to fuck this Hizack
>>23743893>Yas was only good at drawingYeah, but he is REALLY good at it, so it balances out the writing being god awful
>>23743893>beam saber randomly doesn't work and Char kicks straight through where it should have been The drawing and choreography isn't that good, but the panel is supposed to show that Char stepped back and dodged the slash. >le beam spray gun is only good at close range, amuro says from like 100m away I believe Amuro is saying that Char is too fast and keeps dodging. So the spray gun can only work when Amuro much closer.Overall it's a mixed bag. The reaction time of the GM is slower than Gundam. But at the same time, Amuro is doing a poor job piloting it. He isn't used to the timing and is making mistakes thinking he's still in the Gundam. Mistakes like waiting too long to dodge. Or diving into the enemy with a beam saber when the GM is slower. Amuro's timing is completely off when using the GM. So he's at fault too.
>>23743733At last I truly see...
>>23743862Did a western comic artist make this? It's so much like the dc comics style.
>>23743884based Rick Dias fan
>>23713147Absolutely baffling to me that Bandai haven't made an EG GM that they can sell for like ~1500 yen a pop and people can make whole armies of them
>>23742292Neo Zeon had a real problem with their best pilots being stuck in total junk suits in ZZ. These guys stuck in Zaku IIs with pinpoint aim. Desert Rommel's guys all in OYW suits. Mashymre, with cyber enhancements, using a Zaku III at the end of the war which is probably worse than the Gallus-J he started with, never mind the Doven Wolf team and Quin Mantha he is fighting against. Haman herself in her old Qubeley, she probably could have won the whole war if she had the Quin Mantha instead of Glemy.
>>23722357I could swear there is a Jegan who gets a missile kill on CCA.
