>Unicorn was unrealistic.
Disingenuous argument. Thread hidden.
>>23714404I know you won't see this, but I think you're misunderstanding. The, "Hide the law that said that you couldn't trample on people's rights," thing really happened.
>>23714521Pretty big difference between a law saying police brutality is bad and a law that says 'If these poor people we deported to space suddenly develop psychic powers, we should let them be independent because reasons.'
>>23714521That's not what qualified immunity is you dingus.
>>23714384>Writing a law for a theoretical ubermensch >Realistic
>>23714384I can just TELL this thread is going to be full of high quality discussion.
I don't know what in the fuck I'm reading.
All you have to do to see that Zeon Zum Daikun was wrong, is visit a colony named after him.
>>23714613I'll be honest, if someone agreed to acquiesce on some other point if I accepted that one, I'd probably have taken the deal too.
>>23714978>Okay, okay, fine, the space superrace line can stay in, but only if you support my clause about implicit and explicit rights>Surely this won't bite any of us in the ass a century from now
What does prioritize in governance mean anyway?
>>23714681kkkkekkles
>>23715009"We shall allocate some concerns for considerations of decision-makings"
>>23714384The issue with the article reveal in Unicorn is that we already know how the rest of the Universal Century plays out. HF takes place only 9 years later and the federation is still doing it's shenainghans. For the article reveal to have any lasting meaning Sunrise/Bandai would essentially have to do a soft reboot of the UC past 0096.
>>23715108Could've introduced some secret organization doing black ops so milk the late UC while also milking the Unicorn.
>>23714384There's a huge difference between a document that was written by hand before modern print existed, and a document of the 23rd(?) century where everything was digitalized and every news station on earth was airing the colony unveiling.
>>23715108The Federation in HF is only wrong for letting a few elites stay on Earth, not for shoving people into space. Even Mafty's goal is to move everyone into space with no exceptions, zero tolerance. All things considered, that level of corruption is pretty harmless. We're talking on the order of hundreds OR thousands of people, not millions or billions. That said it's funny because the federation does basically de facto allow earth settlements in late UC, like Woowig. But at that point they're falling apart so not like they could stop it if they wanted.
>>23714538>>23714541The law in question is, "People can petition the federal government directly to tell states not to infringe Constitutional rights, doesn't matter if it's a statute, common law, custom, precedent, whatever." Following this would have made qualified immunity and Jim Crow illegal and impossible to implement from the start.Anyway, it's not the content of the laws that's the parallel, it's the fact that they were laws hidden from the public that would have preempted massive conflicts entirely. "But muh states' rights-" Nope."But muh federation-" Nope.
>>23715214The whole issue is that material words were omitted from the printing of a judicial handbook in the late 1800s. It wasn't handwritten.
>>23715108>Sunrise/Bandai would essentially have to do a soft reboot of the UC past 0096.This isn't even that farfetched for Sunrise to do.They can just pull a Disney and make anything that's not 0079, Zeta, ZZ, CCA, Unicorn, Twilight Axis and NT part of "Legacy UC" and irrelevant to their Next100 project
>>23714613>theoretical ubermenschWhy did they have to word it like that? It makes the whole thing feel like a coincidence that no one would have taken seriously enough to put into law in the first place. Why didn't Fukui write it so it implied at one point spacenoids as a whole would be entitled to political representation, newtype or not? It makes way more sense and seems like a more plausible thing for the Federation to try to cover up earlier in history.
>>23714384Why didn't Banana just go back in time and make it so the space constitution was never lost in the first place?
>>23715466because he's a retard, his modus operandi for "tragic character" is always "they got raped as a kid"
>>23715413I understand that, but my gripe with Laplace's Box isn't the fact it was hidden, it's the content of it. Who the fuck writes a law like that? >>23715466I think Fukui just really likes Newtype bullshit and wanted to retroactively make them more important than they really were. By late UC a lot of people think Newtypes aren't even real because so much history has been lost since CCA, so it just makes all of Unicorn seem really silly.
>>23715108Sunrise basically ignored Unicorn in HF. They even go out of their way to homage the CCA trailer in the HF trailers to establish HF as the direct sequel
>>23715466The thing is spacenoid did have representation, just not "equal" representation. Tomino never went into the details of the electoral system in the EF but it would seems to imply from various description in novelization and what is seen in the anime that spacenoids are under represented compared their population. Each Sides seem to only have a few representatives at most despite have tens of millions of people in their "district". This would also make sense why Spacenoids feel that that the Earthnoids were "elites"
>>23714384https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.htmlkek
>>23715433I actually wish they would do this. Tomino would never let it happen, though.
>>23715832>Who the fuck writes a law like that?*shrug* Foresight? Actually, wrt the American Constitution (and a few contemporaries), it also kind of predicts some social and cultural (and even biological) developments that would have seemed ridiculous when it was written. So maybe there are some content parallels after all. The Newtype stuff seems ridiculous, but then, it actually happened. There's a parallel tragedy of humanity being given the key to avoiding massive amounts of suffering and just throwing it away.
>>23715819Is there ANYONE in the Sleeves who didn't get childraped?
>>23715466According to Tomino, Newtypes already existed throughout history in the form of prophets and spiritual gurus before humanity moved to space. Crossing the space frontier just led to their proliferation, which is something Zeon Zum Deikun was right about.So they weren't a myth, they were a reality that just hadn't been scientifically proven yet.
>>23717319>Newtypes already existed throughout history in the form of prophets and spiritual gurusNot ace tank crews and jet pilots!?
>>23717321Red Baron maybe?
>>23714384its unrealistic coz it has giant fucking robots in it not because you know nothing about history.
>>23717293no, where ever the spacenoid goes he must rape
>>23715819It's pretty effective.
>>23714538>'If these poor people we deported to space suddenly develop psychic powers, we should let them be independent because reasons.'Newtype wasn't even a concept back them.It couldn't be interpreted in any other way than a recognition that Earth is currently ruling the space-colonies (mostly forced to live there), but eventually if some criteria are met, the colonies will be considered as part of the Federation territories and ruling will be done by them.The difference between considering people were sent to offshore habitats to help the nation with climate crisis,versus considering those people have a right to consider those offshore habitats as part of the nation and thus have a right over it.>2. In the future, should the emergence of a new space-adapted human race be confirmed, the Earth Federation shall give priority to involving them in the administration of the government.Space-adapted could simply be defined as "able to govern themselves", which they clearly reached since the Federation couldn't starve them.Even putting aside the question of claiming extraterrestrial LANDS as your territories, I don't think any country has a legal framework that would work with their nation being a mobile platform.Take pic.If those floating cities declared themselves independent, claiming a right around the area around their lilypad would go against laws over international waters.
>>23714681>I can just TELL this thread is going to be full of high quality discussion.That's because you are one of THEM. Your sheep souls is weighted down by gravity.
>>23715108The article don't have to (somehow) topple the Federation to be meaningful with huge impact.You can easily imagine the revelation (which then had to be confirmed by journalist and discussed) eventually led to replacing the entire government, leaving only "Earth Federation" as the name, and doing shenanigan for different reasons later.I mean, it's as if you discovered a document that completely discredit the US electoral system as a fraud (beside the many real reasons obviously), even making that public would still see the US remain as a country, with the same borders, so long as the document don't imply one of its state didn't join willingly or something.In the case of Gundam's there's not even a question of border or territories outside maybe that "A baoa Qu" asteroid which is something they can move and replace as long as they care to.All things they lost were citizens, which, if they don't consider themselves Fderation citizen, become defacto foreign agents (or culprit of secession, which is distinct from the terms of Laplace's lost articles).I can also easily imagine a motive to remove that article, some plutocrat with huge private holdings on Earth, wanting to make sure the money is always flowing from the colonies toward Earth (and them) instead of having to spend money to make colonies better than their holding. with that tech level I'd already be building giant dome on the Moon to have low-gravity forests with gigantic trees, the Moon would be my first pic to become a future economic center
>>23715832>I understand that, but my gripe with Laplace's Box isn't the fact it was hidden, it's the content of it. Who the fuck writes a law like that?>>23717130>*shrug* Foresight?I interpret space-adapted as just "willing and able to govern from space colonies".It's implied spacenoids "didn't get a right to vote" but even that can be interpreted as "sure they let us vote, but only about laws decided for Earth from Earth", like you've been living in a space colony since you were born, you don't even know what thunderstorms are outside of books and you can only vote for politicians promising to make Earth better (where only a different social class can live).
>>23724210>>23724239As I said before, I define "space-adapted" as those born without being exposed to Earth's gravity.
>>23724248I wouldn't use that since they made giant rotating colonies for the purpose of having Earth-like gravity.Unless Lagrange point have specific effect on the organism.For a political leader "space-adapted" could only be defined regarding current laws, they were literally celebrating the creation of a new world order that supersede nationalism with a new calendar to get rid of the religious one. The problem is how they removed (illegally) an article that would have killed the Zabi's rhetoric.
>>23715774Maybe he did and that's why the colonists defeated the British. Revolutionary War but with giant robots. Want to see it.
>>23715774Because that would create a time paradox.
>>23722719/thread
>>23715009Higher cast. It's literary racist law agains normal people becasue newtypes are "better".
