Never seen Gundam before. I heard people recommend this as the first entry.Apparently, it is a side story.
>>23721468Andy Kaufman meets Master P
>>23721468those "people" are retardedwatch things in production order
>>23721468hamburger
>>23721468"Gundam: People making stupid choices"People on this board froth over it, but I think its the weakest of the UC side stories.
>>23721468A shit thread because you can't think for yourself
>>23721468Over glorified mediocrity, don't let the opening scene fool you it gets shockingly boring after that.
>>23721468contrived zeek story by gainaxtard.
>>23721511>gainaxtardAno worked on this?
>>23721468you need to watch gundam in production order
>>23721551OG Gundam is uncle slop
>>23721560if you feel this way you shouldn't be on this board, you won't have a good timenot even gatekeeping, i'm trying to do you a favorthis is a board dedicated to stuff you don't like
>>23721638I liked politcal aspects of Code Geass.My issue with Gundam is I feel it is full of high school drama.
>>23721468It's a very good story but it has 0 context without having seen 0079. Which kind of still works since the main character is a kid with no real context of what's going on. But you should watch 0079 first.
>>23721708Sure I do.There is a war between the Federation and Zeon.What else is there to understand?
>>23721527Dunno about War in the Pocket specifically but Gainax did production assistance on Gundam multiple times
>>23721738Definitely on CCA.
>>23721468>I heard people recommend this as the first entry.It kind of assumes you're coming into it with a basic understanding of the setting. Like it doesn't really explain who Zeon and the Federation are or why they're fighting.
>>23721723Actually you need to see G reco first because it one of the main characters there is actually the gundam pilot and there she explains her backstory.
>>23721483Zero chance of it being weaker than 0083 if you ask me
You can expect genuine truth from a child.
>>23721655you sounnd like an insufferable fag. mecha is not for you
>>23721855>Zeon and the Federation are or why they're fighting.I'd presume they are fighting over some resource like oil or unobtainium,
>>23721655I have to second the other anon. It's a bit contradictory to ask what to expect going into a series when you've made clear you aren't really interested in trying it at all. You're wasting your time. This stuff, much less this place, doesn't seem like it's for you.
>>23721511>anti-gainax ghoul purposely filter himself out of great Gundam content....uh, based?
>>23722166Stop gatekeeping.I finished the 1st episode of War in the Pocket.I quite liked it.
>>23722194Nah. You asked questions while acting dismissive and received responses as such. If you enjoyed the first episode of WiTP, that's great, but you also went out of your way to dismiss other work also from a franchise broadly considered enjoyable. Is it so wrong, then, to say that maybe you actually watching more stuff could lead to you being entertained, and watching less arbitrarily based on imagined vibes is a disservice to yourself, as the other anon told you?
Watching WitP is like watching it blind, but I guess I enjoy guessing stuff.I presume the blond guy is from the main series and 2nd in-command of Char Aznable.I also believe Char Aznable is some type of space Hitler, similar to Aber Desler from Battleship Yamato.
>>23721468Yea watch Gundam in production order. Or at least the original series recap movies then Char's Counterattack, before you try to watch anything else. War in the Pocket has great animation, but not only do you need to be familiar with Gundam for it to really make sense, it's also basically a critique of both the Mecha genre and of Gundam fans. It's good, it's effective, but it's also an outlier and not really representative of the series, and again you need to be familiar with the series to really understand it.
>>23722157eheh.No.
>>23722304This thread was well crafted bait wasn't it.
>>23722352no, I'm serious
>>23721508This happens all the goddamn time with old anime faggotsThey post a genuinely awesome scene, which makes me watch the full film or series, and apart from the one scene they post the rest of it is boring dreckWas burned hard by this with Cobra, Ninja Scroll and Jin-RohOf course these fags never watch anything so when you actually do watch something and it's boring, they spam zoomer at you
Can somebody explain this to me?Zeon just left the damaged Gundam in Federation territory?Why? Why wouldn't they destroy it before leaving? And why wouldn't the Federation collect it and repurpose it for parts?I was under the impression that Gundams were valuable.
>>23722377Why are normalfags like this
>>23722392This is a troll thread.
>>23722395It is not.
troll line
>>23722157The short version of it is>Earth Federation controls space colonies >One group of colonies (Side 3) has a revolution and declares/achieves independence >Their leader dies under mysterious circumstances>Autocratic family takes charge, starts arms buildup>Years later they launch surprise attack on earth in name of colonial independence but really they just want to depose the Federation for themselves>>23722377It's not federation territory. Side 6 is neutral but Zeon is looking like they're to lose so they're starting to work with the Feds in anticipation of their victory. The Federation is trying to hide its military presence there. They only step in against the Kampfer for example when Side 6's own defense forces are overwhelmed.
>>23722428I see.In the first episode, they mention the Federation didn't have mechs before, but Zeon has had them for a longer time.I guess I'm wondering how this separatist faction has better tech?
>>23722432Federation initially thought mobile suits (the "mechs" a Gundam is a specific advanced/high performance kind of mobile suit) were a waste of time and resources and invested more heavily into conventional warships. Zeon saw the potential in them and when Zeon's mobile suits proved themselves in battle, the federation scambled to catch up and develop their own. 0080 is towards the end of the war, so by now the Federation has its own mass produced mobile suits (the GMs) and Gundams.For more context, the Zaku in>>23722377is one of Zeon's most basic mass produced mobile suits. In the original series, they were completely outclassed by the Gundam and in 0080 there's a Gundam in development in side 6 that's even better than the one from the original series.
>>23722437That actually sounds interesting, like how Germans didn't believe in aircraft carriers, so they invested in U-boats.So, I presume this series is about a constant arms race?I wonder how much the battleship feature.>is one of Zeon's most basic mass produced mobile suits.So, it's like the equivalent of a Stalin-era tank used by Russia in Ukraine?Still, isn't there anything that can be repurposed?
>>23722444HOW ABOUT YOU WATCH THE FUCKING SERIES YOU STUPID FAGGOT
>>23722444The explanation for why the Zaku is left there I think is that it's Side 6's jurisdiction and they're busy rebuilding damage from the prior attacks so they just strip its weapons and leave it there for later. Yeah, realistically they would probably do more to secure it than that, but then you wouldn't have a story.
>>23721468the meta narrative for it works as an endcap for everything up to char's counter attack. watching it first is a bit retarded.
>>23721527Anno wasn't the only Gainax member.It was written by Yamaga.
>>23722451It's non-functional and a long way down an embankment in the middle of a park. The situation's not ideal, but plenty reasonable.
>>237219040083 at least has more than just a Zaku and pretty bog standard RX-78 derivitive.
>>23721745How can you tell? Aside from reading the closing credits, I mean.
>>23722373Ninja Scroll is pretty mid even for newfags
>>23721655>Doesn't like high school dramaFair enough, that's an aspect that might..>Liked Code GeassAnon you retard
>>23721655GR8 B8 M8
>>23723304To be fair, I liked the dark aspect of Code Geass.Like the massacres and Villeta's tiddies.
>>23721468Greatness
>>23723304>>23723748you see unlike other mecha ttgl is about the characters
>>23723891isn't every mecha anime about characters, while mechas only exist to sell toys?
>>23721468Finished episode 5.This is pretty kino.It's much darker than I thought Gundam would be.
>>23721468I now kinda want rule 34 of Chris, but I guess it can't exist because she is a minor character in a side story.
>>23721468I don't get why it is a big deal Side 6 has a Gundam. It is an unimportant sector, and Zeon is already losing.
>>23724292I really miss hgundam... ;_;
>>23724422It's supposed to be neutral territory per the terms of the Antarctic Treaty.
>>23724892big whoop not like zeon can try the federation for war crimes unless they win anyway
>>23725080No, but they can cite that as justification for deployment of nuclear weapons in response. One treaty violation begets another.
>>23724292Let's face it, this is where AI becomes useful.
>>23725139And this was the image I wanted to post.
>>23725100Wouldn't they only be able to deploy their own forces in neutral colonies in response? deploying nukes and saying that a couple million civilian lives are now forfeit is like saying "I saw that guy park his car in my reserved space, shooting him in the head is no longer against the law"
>>23725140the normal suit is all wrong, I can't fap to that
>>23725195False equivalence notwithstanding, the whole use of neutral ground for further development of a weapon system that would further unbalance the state of affairs against the opposition could just as readily be criticized by the disadvantaged side as the offender using the civilian populace as human shields.
>>23725198That's what happens when it's some AI bullshit, even her face is wrong.
>>23725235well in that case both sides will just do whatever they want with whatever flimsy pretext to suit their own desirese.g., see 0083 where the zeeks cry foul about a nuclear attack gundam potentially being used against them and then proceed to think themselves heroes for using the highly illegal nuclear gundam themselves and then doubling down with a colony drop as if it were the most innocent thing they could have done
>>23722377>Zeon just left the damaged Gundam in Federation territory?
>>23724892doesn't explain itYou'd think Zeon would have other thigs to worry about
>>23721655Code Geass is literal HS drama, what are you on anon?
>>23725285That's the reason treaties are established and should be upheld.Killing may have been a duplicitous opportunist, but at least he was under no illusions about his actions.
>>23725235>>23725195>>23725100>>23724892Zeon was already not respecting the treaty since 0079's anime where they attacked the white base so it isn't like they have much of a leg to stand on
>>23725308A new and more powerful iteration of the weapon that played a key role in inflicting numerous strategic defeats isn't cause for concern?
>>23726236To be fair that was kind of a dick move for White Base to accelerate out of the neutral zone and then start firing backwards at Conscon's ships while they were still inside it
>>23725271How so?
>>23723920Yes.
>>23725140Isn't she like 16?
>>23729621She's 21.
>>23725140Isnt she like 14?
>>23731145If it bleeds, it breeds.
>>23731145>>23730121
>>23722407Where?
>>23721468you have to watch UC in chronological order
>>23722467The Hygogg, Z'Gok-E and Kämpfer say hi.
>>23721468Watch the 70s cartoon first or you're a fake nigga. This stuff is literally fanservice for people who watched the first 10 years of Gundam and it will mean way less to you if you watch it first.
>>23721468Product of Japanese culture where they try to romanticize being an innocent Axis soldier and give him contrived sob reason to keep fighting for his clearly genocidal government instead of switching sides and warning about mad genocidal plan of his leadership, even though we have not a single reason to believe that him succeeding would ever stop said genocidal plan
>>23725100>you put one (1) Gundam there>so we nuke the placeThis kind of logic demonstrates that Federation should have put there 1000 Gundams
>>23721468Zeonwank. Like most sidestories.Don't let it color your expectations for the rest of the franchise.
>>23726232>they should have upheld the treaties Hadn't Odessa happened by then?Zeon already had proclaimed its willingness to completly violate them and use a nuke the moment they feel like losing Neutral zones had every valid reason to back Federation because Zeon couldn't be trusted about anything, and their overreaction only made it clear that they were a bunch of mad dog killers
>>23737256>Hadn't Odessa happened by then?Tomino IIRC intended for both sides to be awful, the Federation just a smidge less evil. E.g., the Feds were supposed to attack the jupiter energy fleet transport traveling to zeon territory in the original ~50 episode run, and in 08th MS Team a Federation colonel intentionally tries to set the stage for a nuclear explosion which would have also killed his own troops>Neutral zones had every valid reason to back Federationnothing wrong with that, but ideally they should cast aside the neutrality if they do decide to do that
>>23737260Dunno what Tomino intended, but putting aside side stories that weren't directed by him, the end result is the Allies/Axis dealWere Allies imperfect? YeahWas Axis making them look like saints? You can clearly see that by comparing numbers of killed civilians
>>23737205I started watching. I quite enjoyed the first two episodes.Though I don't know why fanbase jerks off to Char, based on those two episode he doesn't seem that great.I expect something like Reinhard von Lohegramm or Griffith.
>>23737726I wouldn't say he was an instant hit, but as the plot progressed and he did more things than just be a named villain who returns week after week, for the late 70s that sort of character wasn't seen often and was more interesting, and in the absence of any other moderately interesting characters there's no one else to really latch onto
>>23737758Are you saying MC won't develop a personality?
>>23737762no, I haven't said a thing about amuro at all. amuro has his own way of doing things, it's just not as interesting as "this antagonist decked out in red clothes whose backstory isn't explained clearly and has his own agenda that is separate from and even sometimes runs counter to the rest of the bad guys"
>>23721479>watch things in production orderNo you want to watch things chronological order, production order in the context of UC now causes confusion as you would have to keep jumping back to OYW sides stories to cover shit you should have been done when you watched most of 0079, to then cover that stuff because they keep digging up the OYW to milk. But yeah to agree with you op should watch 0079 first then the OyW ovas then move to Stardust and in to Zeta.
>>23724261>It's much darker than I thought Gundam would be.Nigga you ain't seen nothing yet go watch 0079, and when think you've really seen some shit get ready Zeta.
>>23737997>go watch 0079I just wonder what the stakes are going to be.Gundams are overpowered, right? One Gundam = 100 zaki.So, I guess every episode is Amuro killing 100 zaki, and every episode will end with Char screaming:>Darn you Amuro, next time I will beat you!
>>23738010You should probably stop making assumptions.
>>23737251You've conflated 0080 with 0083.
>>23737253Well, conventional means obviously weren't adequate even to deal with just one, so...
>>23737265LeMay would've gladly exceeded the Axis's civilian body count if Japan had the population for him to do so.
>>23737256>Hadn't Odessa happened by then?Whether that's even relevant depends on whether you consider the TV series or the compilation movie trilogy canon.
>>23737758>in the absence of any other moderately interesting charactersWho demonstrated the same longevity, at least.
>>23737978no, just watch in production orderif the idea "this happened during previous events" is too confusing, just stick to blue's clues and coloring booksside stories (and all "prequel" media) are meant to be watched with foreknowledge of how events resolve and what comes afterthey use dramatic irony which requires the viewer to have seen previous entriesfor example, the ending of stardust memory would mean nothing if you hadn't seen zeta
>>23738783Unless they were deliberately made for new people to be able to get into, like 08th MS Team and 0083, and indeed most works in the franchise.
Sunrise says chronological order is the way to go.
>>23738850>watch 0083 as new fan>wow who is this random guy with goggles>the titans? wonder who they areyeah totally how it's meant to be watched
>>23721468Too short to get its ideas across to the audience in any significant way. Should have been two 12 episode seasons at least. Chris, the other girl in school, and Al's parents needed way more screen time to develop. One positive ill give it is the level of inclusion. For when it was produced its pretty crazy to see female pilot who beats the male leads, the zeon crew are all diverse but portrayed as reasonable and in some cases nuanced people despite initial appearances and how monstrous their mechs look, there's a disabled black guy whos implied to be of some importance to the gundam, he needed more time too. This show would really benefit from a modern remake.
>>23738857Yes, exactly, unironically. I did exactly that and it was fine.
>>23738857NTA but>wow who is this random guy with gogglethe show makes it clear that Bask is a federation admiral, you literally don't need to know anything else besides which side he's on for the internal federation conflict which the show also tells you>the titans? wonder who they areIs not a problem, infact that would be considered a hook to bait new watchers into watching Zeta Gundam
>>23738861so you watched it out of order and were (predictably) unable to understand the ending?well you're free to do things like a moron but if the question is which viewing order is optimal for new fans, "it was fine" isn't the answer you should give themdon't confuse defending your actions with giving helpful advice
>>23738869Whats not to understand? The Feds lack of support for the Albion leads to the colony dropping and they're reformed into a better more proactive defense force to counter space spacenoid terrorism.
>>23738869I understood it fine, but it made me curious to learn more about Bask, Haman, and Jamitov, and seeing the Titans become what they were in Zeta was a bit of a gut punch. Being left with questions that are answered in the very next show is fine.
>>23738875>>23738864see "dramatic irony">>23738882yeah, and that is indeed "fine" but you're missing the pointyou're supposed to already know what the titans are going to become, making the ending of 0083 the gut punch (which fits the personal story's ending)it's not some grand catastrophe to watch these things out of order but it is -better- to watch them in an order where you would have understood this instead of missing the tone of the ending
>>23738860Yeah, it kinda hints at some form of romance between Bernard and Christina.But it doesn't go anywhere, and Christina doesn't even learn that she killed Bernard in the mecha fight.It's very much defenition of "more than meets the eye".
>>23721483Disagree, 08th and 0083 shit the bed so bad that 0080 just kinda wins by default I watched UC in chronological order and getting to zeta was so, so refreshing after how shitty those two were
>>23738889>missing the tone of the endingAs the anon who said do chronological order, when I went from 0083 to Zeta, there was no tone missed in the ending. You literally lose nothing by watching it in that order. Strict Production order is just some weird flex people do to prove they are serious fans and even some of them still miss the point of the shows they watched in production order.
>>23739130So you knew about the brutality and massacres the Titans would become known for, that these characters were about to become complicit in or actively a part of? How'd you manage that?>even some of them still miss the point of the shows they watched in production orderPeople miss the point of literally anything and everything. Production order can't stop that.
>>23739146Yes immediately after I watched 0083 and went straight into Zeta. The immediate tone shift of them made it that much better. But back to the point, in order to understand gundam, chronological is better, especially for a grasp of the political dynamics at play throughout UC's timeline. Production order makes that harder, be it keeps dragging you back into OYW content due to how much they keep expanding it, to point where somehow, it's getting common for people to just dismiss watching any gundam that's not, OG and CCA, because bamco won't stop glazing those to entries in the most shallow ways imaginable.
>>23739154>Yes immediately after I watched 0083 and went straight into Zeta.That is far from the same thing.
>>23739154And to further explain my point, upon first glance, when you see a dude like pic related. You instinctively know he's gonna lead to some fucked up shit if he lives. So not only do you have Bask talking about how he's colluding with Zeon to let a colony drop take place to then get you ready for the shit he's doing in Zeta. You then have him after that outright presenting the Titan's initiative. That's all you need to know the Titans were gonna be corrupt as fuck. The only question at that point from just finishing 0083 is "just how bad we talking?", and finding that out is just another part to add to the fun. And that whole thing about the complacency, that still hits just fine. Again nothing is really missed
>>23739130you still don't understand. let me use an example that may be easieryou know that scene in the star wars prequels where it reveals the "grand army of the republic" is a bunch of dudes in white armor marching into big grey wedge-shaped ships?if you didn't know what a storm trooper was, or what a star destroyer was, this imagery would mean nothing to youthis is what you experienced with 0083 and the titans. prequels make direct references like this to produce dramatic irony. please look up the term and try to understand
>>23739154Watching 0083 before Zeta will make you miss the point of the ova. You only have the full context for what the ending means when you watched Zeta. Maybe youll understand it on a plot level but you will completely miss what its saying on a thematic level.
>>23739632>>23739750There are multiple ways to enjoy a prequel entry, yes there's nods to people who already know, that doesn't mean that people who are watching it fresh are doing it wrong.It is also funny to use Star Wars in this case because Lucas wanted people to start from Prequels once they got made, all it would mean is the way you saw things during the prequel shift once you got to the end of EP3 into EP4
>>23721468Are all Zeonese crazy evil like Killing in this?
>>23739750The only instance of that happening it gundam us when people think they can watch 0079 then jump right in to CCA. This is why people have such a misguided understanding of Char and his motives in CCA. The same doesn't happen going from 0083 to Zeta, you're not missing context because you didn't watch Zeta first. You are just watching them set up the events of Zeta.
>>23739755yes dude there are multiple ways to watch prequelsthere's the way where you understand what's going on and get it because you saw the original, and there's the way where you don't get it and endlessly hedge about "well it was still ok" and can't just admit maybe it would have made more sense if you had the correct context
>>23739968yeah except that little bit about how knowing the titans from zeta is essential to the ending, because without that knowledge it's just some meaningless new factionimagine ending your movie with hitler getting elected in germany and some moron insisting you don't need to know anything about world history to understand the significance. he's just some new politician, there's nothing else you need to know to understand that scene!
>>23739992None of the Titans stuff introduced in 0083 is followed up on in any relevant media. Bask never mentions operation Stardust in Zeta, none of the Titans in Zeta are Monsha or the gang. It's literally them showing you a jacket and logo to recognize. It adds nothing to the plot or resolution of the story going on within 0083. Trivia isn't storytelling.
>>23740010>None of the Titans stuff introduced in 0083 is followed up on in any relevant mediayes you ignoramus that's the point0083 is following up on zeta, not the other way around because it's a PREQUELif you've watched zeta, you recognize these characters and factions and know who they will become. this develops dramatic irony (when the viewer knows something the characters do not) which IS important to the resolution of 0083, in fact it's the main component of the ending
>>23740112But it's not, prequel doesn't mean you HAVE watch the existing thing or it won't make sense. They are made to make the existing media make more sense in the first place.
>>237401120083 sucks as a prequel because it ignores a bunch of stuff setup in Zeta for pointless memberberries like Haman showing up looking no different than she would in a few years.
>>23740112There's not much for dramatic irony in the bridge crew and randos getting a uniform change. We literally don't know if they die during zeta, retire before, or join aeug. It's literally just "i know the titans!"the only thing thats ironic is all the main characters winding up exactly where they started, except this time in the debris field of the colony drop they couldn't stop.
>>23740151Anon 0083 and Zeta are only 4 years apart
>>23740156Haman Karn is young enough that four years should be noticeable
>>23740162Aging doesn't hit you that hard, that fast. It's literally different for everybody
>>23740167Except Zeta was really meticulous about how people aged whereas 0083 was like, "clap at Bask in his fucking glasses!"
>>23740174Bask is well past the point where his age will show change in just 4 years
>>23740174Also from 79 to 87 that's and 8 year gap, of course you're gonna see an age difference by that point
>>237399820083 is nowhere near as complicated of a work you're making it seem nor was the given example of fucking star wars, calm your autism
>>23740201NTA. But tell that to the guy claiming following a series timeline is the wrong way to watch a series
>>23740167she's like 20 in Zeta16 year old girls look different from 20 year old women
>>23740208You still would change that much from 16 to 20.
>>23740213Wouldn't *
>>23738857yeah bro you need to be able to soijack at your glup shitto to understand the story
>>23740131think carefully about what you wrote in this post and how it lacks internal consistency>>23740155yes it's just "i know the titans," that's the only reason it happens. but it does happen, and it does happen for that reason, and if you don't know the titans you won't get it>>23740201it's very simple, see above. nobody is making it out to be complicated
>>23740541>and if you don't know the titans you won't get itBut you will get it because they are gonna be shown to you literally when you start watching Zeta. Again we aren't talking about watching 0083, skipping Zeta and then going to Unicorn where a few MS of the titans get used and you'll be going "what happened to those titans guys did they ever get brought up?" We are talking about watching 0083 to see the start of the titans and then immediately getting right into Zeta afterwards to see what thru become. That's literally the chronological progression, how are you not grasping the concept of following a timeline?
>>23740638He's too autistic anon, the type that can't possibly grasp that there are many different ways to understand a series
>>23739130>watch Zeta>woah, these Anaheim guys are kinda cool. The Titans are using propaganda to paint them as bad guys>watch 0083>woah, these Anaheim guys are bastards and the AEUG is just a team fighting against impossible odds and being used>watch 0083 before Zeta>woah, Anaheim and Titans are bastards, the AEUG is retarded0083 recontextualizes Anaheim and the Titans, adds some backstory to Axis and explains why the Federation was so weak. Watching it before Zeta reveals beforehand some things that you, the viewer, are meant to piece together little by little during Zeta and spells out some things that are never said ouright during Zeta and ZZ, but could be figured out by context.
>>23740993>>watch Zeta>>woah, these Anaheim guys are kinda cool.If you ever thought that without watching 0083 then you aren't paying attention
>>23724292Christina is the best Gundam girl ever.
>>23738010Personally I began watching Gundam because I wanted to see a Gundam destroy 100 Zaku and the bad guy yelling "damn you Gundam, I'll get you next time!" For 50 episodes, what I got was an engaging story about war, its toll on people and wartime politics.
>>23741139I guess the standards are not that high.But I did appreciate a panty shot of the one girl in the first episode. I cannot believe shameless fanservice was already a thing in the 70s.
>>23740155the dramatic irony comes from the audience knowing the titans will go on to cause more of what they are being formed to prevent
>>23740638>but you will get it>when you watch something else afterso you won't get it while watching 0083, like i've been sayingyou're the one failing to grasp a very simple concept hereunderstanding the ending while watching it is not the same as being informed afterwards and going "oh that's what the thing i watched yesterday meant">>23740697yeah man my crazy autism prevents me from accepting time travel to know things before learning them
>>23741284motherfucker you're the one making this needlessly retarded because you're assuming that people have to watch it then and there in order to get it, otherwise they'll never get an i'm telling you, that shit will literally not matter because not only are they gonna be watching more gundam, the very next thing will be the entry the ending is based of. It won't matter if they don't get it will watching it, they'll understand right when they start watching Zeta.
>>23741293glad you agree
>>23741284You're just being silly now, anon.Whether you watch Zeta first or 0083 first, the ending still works fine.>Oh damn, despite the triumphant tone, I know exactly how this ends already...>Huh, well that's pretty uplifting, I'm glad they formed a unit to stop Zeon- wait what the fuck they're even worse now?!
>>23741298there's nothing silly about it, you just described two totally different interpretations of the endingthat is my entire point
>>23741300Both are totally valid is my (>>23738861) point. I reject the idea that that means I didn't understand the ending.
>>23741300it doesn't matter because your whole point is that by watching 0083 before Zeta, you'll end up missing the whole point of the show's ending, meaning you won't really get the show, but as we've all been saying, that shit will not matter your still gonna come to the same conclusion about the ending regardless meaning you wont be lost. You're looking at this as if someone watches only 0083 without watching Zeta first, we're telling you this about watching everything as a whole in the first place, it won't matter because they are gonna be watching Zeta regardless.
>watch Zeta before 0083>is the production order>have absolutely no idea who the Titans are and are confused for the first hour or two of watching Zeta>can rise out of your chair and point at the screen when you recognize characters in 0083>watch 0083 before Zeta>is the intended watch order>know exactly who the Titans are and can easily trace a path from the Federation of 0079 to 0087>can rise out of your chair and point at the screen when you recognize characters in Zeta
0083 is badly written trite that had to make up some bullshit colony drop as an excuse for Titans to exist when they should have already been a part of the setting in the post OYW world.Also, >0080 thread.
>>23741320But your forget the main point of the Titans, that being the the faction is an extremity on federations part that only has vague reasons to exist in the first place. The whole question about them in Zeta was always "Listen, do we really need a military police force in all the colonies that doesn't answer to anybody, always eager to stomp out Zeeks?". 0083 being a colony drop conspiracy, puts further credence on how they achieve that total authority in the first place. It's fine as is, though i do agree the titans should have been introduced earlier in 0083, they should have started as the Task force investigating Gpo2 theft along side the Albion crew, that being a test run for them to see if they were really needed, then you could see more of Bask scheming to secure the Titan's into more prominent roles of power and authority.
>>23741306>>23741302so we've arrived at this conclusion:it's true that you will miss the intended dramatic irony if you haven't seen zeta, but you both say "it just doesn't matter bro" (in one case because you will retroactively learn about it later, but that still means you miss the dramatic irony)you're free to hold this opinion, but it's not a refutation of the fact you will miss this intended aspect of 0083's ending
>>23741363Just take your L bro, production order isn't the only way to watch something, especially something like gundam.
>>23741363Likewise, you won't be fooled as intended by how the Titans being formed is framed as a good thing. The ending works whether you recognize it as dramatic irony or not.
>>23721655Have you seen Gundam 00?
>>23741377no
>>23741365work on that reading comprehension, anon. you're not even arguing about my claim>>23741376it being framed as a good thing is exactly what i'm talking about. that's where the dramatic irony comes from -- because you, the viewer, know it's a bad thingyou're unwilling or unable to understand this, so please just refrain from giving advice to new viewers in the future
>>23743425They didn't use a dreary and dark tone in the ending because they WANTED to trick people who didn't know who the Titans were. The ending works in both ways. Stop acting stupid.>please just refrain from giving advice to new viewers in the futureTell that to Sunrise. >>23738853
>>23743444No its not meant to trick you, it doesnt work both ways because if you let yourself be "fooled" then you'll take away the wrong message and think 0083 is about Kou being a loser that gets cucked by Gato instead of Kou being an unfortunate hero that tries to chase after Gato who is a delusional fool thats going to do the opposite of what he was trying to accomplish while Kou gets sabotaged by both sides.That sunrise chart is also retarded because the Zeta movies dont work as a substitute and ZZ is not optional. Sunrise also thinks G-Reco takes place before Turn-A which is retarded.
>>23746228technically that specific chart puts both Zeta TV and ZZ in recommended watch categories
>>23746228>you'll take away the wrong message and think 0083 is about Kou being a loser that gets cucked Anon that take almost always comes from people who followed production order. If the actual take away from 0083 is suppose to be the feds aren't as clean as they were originally and typically portrayed in gundam, then by just paying attention to 0083's plot alone you should have no problem interpreting the real message of the ending. The only difference is before Zeta just wonder how bad it will get, After Zeta you already know how bad it'll get. You claim that you need production order to understand 0083's ending, but it sounds like the only people who don't pay attention to shows are the people who end up following it in production order, which is why they mostly can't seem to grasp anything other than OYW material
>>23746350>feds aren't as clean as they were originally and typically portrayed in gundambut they're typically portrayed as deeply corrupt. are you just a tourist? that would explain a lot
>>23746751Ignoring my entire point to calm me a tourist.Desperately reaching for that dub I see.Ofol course they were always corrupt, 0083 just further hammers in how corrupt they are. The point is though if you were just watching 0083 and you were paying attention, that alone is enough to interpret the meaning of it's ending.
>>23743444this might come as a shock, but long before you were born these programs actually released in production orderzeta had been out for years when 0083 aired. gundam merchandising was huge, and viewers would have at least heard of the titans and known they were the bad guys
>>23746840i'm not the same guy you replied to earliercheck your sense of self-importance, tourist-sananyway, your "entire point" falls apart without the bit i quoted
>>23746914No it really doesn't though. Because again, just paying attention to what was happening in 0083 alone is enough for you to get the point.
If you want to get into something with good animation, I'd start with either 08th MS Team or Stardust Memory.
>>23746880>zeta had been out for years when 0083 aired. gundam merchandising was huge, and viewers would have at least heard of the titans and known they were the bad guysthis is never concrete, you can NEVER promise that all viewers are people who have familiarity with a franchise which is why certain concepts need to be reexplained depending on the story
>>23747744It's an OVA. What sort of sicko buys OVAs without any familiarity with the franchise? Do you know how expensive they were?The show is absolutely made for people that already know 0079>Zeta>ZZ>CCA. That's why the Neue Ziel is obviously a proto-Alpha Azieru, for example. Sure, maybe 5% of viewers actually had no prior experience of Gundam, but the OVA doesn't really care if it leaves those people behind on a few key issues (hence why it makes no attempt to challenge Zeon's justification of "freedom for spacenoids" - you're meant to know this is bullshit from episode 1 without anyone explicitly pointing it out)
jfc, we get it. one fag watched in chrono. and other fag watched it in prod. no need to bicker like married couples, this isn't your chatroom.0083 is shit either way you watch it.
