So...Where they fucking?
>>23724447gotta keep the Sahalin bloodline pure
>>2372444708th MS Team have two different Directors. They had different ideas about the show.The first wanted an action story where a Zeon family stands together to fight against the Federation during the One Year War. The Second Director wanted a soap opera drama similar to "Romeo & Juliet". He wanted Shiro (Asian guy) to fall in love with Aina (the white girl). I don't know why but he was obsessed with this idea and pushed it hard behind the scenes during production. Same thing happened with 0083. Two different directors with clashing ideas.
>>23724447In the bedroom, I would assume.
>>23724492Based jap pushing his white woman asian man fetish.
>>23724492I know the reason for 8th ms team was cause one of the Directors died during production, but how the hell did the same thing happen with 0083?
>>23724502Gundam OVAs like 0083 and 08th MS Team took several years to make. Bandai would pay to animate 2 episodes. Pause production. Then release the finished episodes on VHS tape, and monitor sales to see if fans bought a lot of tapes and it sold well. If the the VHS tapes sold well, then Bandai would resume production. This start/stop/start process meant the anime would take several years to complete.Anime Directors are freelance contractors. They are not employees of Bandai or Sunrise. They do not get a salary or benefits. They need to work on as much anime as possible to build up their savings, and to build up a reputation within the industry as a good anime director. Anime Directors have to schedule their work months (sometimes years) in advance.Most anime directors will not commit years of their life to a single anime. Especially with how Bandai kept pausing and resuming and pausing production. It's a total headache.This led to a situation of multiple directors working on the same anime. The new director would throw out the precious Director's work and force their own ideas. This is very obvious with 0083 where the director wanted a love triangle with Gato-Kou-Nina. Even though the first director didn't want that at all.
>>237245020083 production was taking way too long (3 years). First director wanted to leave and work on other stuff.
>>23724512Funni myth strikes again. Director change for 0083 was ultra early in the series and the relationship was was OVERTLY addressed as early as the Von Braun eps but keep going off, sure!
>>23724538Being friends with Gato isn't a sign betray the world for him. She didn't recognize him after he stole the GP02 and heard his voice several times.
>>23724547She didn’t see him steal the GP02. Another funni myth strikes again
>>23724547Betray the worl…homie what are you talking about and who hurt you?
>>23724538>halfway over is early
>>23724447Only dry humping because he didn't want to give her space aids
>>23724492> I don't know why but he was obsessed with this idea and pushed it hard behind the scenes during production.Thank god we had this instead of more zeon wank
>>23724492can you give a source?Romeo and Juliet is already established in the 1st episode.
>>23724492Thank you based AMWF fetishist you saved the show!
>>23725105>Romeo and Juliet is already established in the 1st episode.It wasn't.
>>23725248Kek yes it was.
>>23725070>Zeon wankThis has never been a thing, show me a series where Zeon beats the Federation and almost everyone on Zeon's side didn't die in the process or just limp off?
>>23725258dying heroically is still wank
>>23725105Lmao no. Episode 1 was clearly a copy of 1985's "Enemy Mine" movie.
>>23724492>It could have been QCucks tier Zeon WankMaybe I was too harsh on 08th
>>23725258gquuuuuuuxBut 0083 is the worse offender
>>23724561She literally enabled the people activelly trying to drop a colony, while being employed by several and dating one of the people trying to stop it.
>>23725336Please explain what she did and when. Let’s pretend it’s been a while since either of us have seen it
>>23725336>>23725571We already know it’s going to be some shit that never happened because nobody actually remembers the show, because it’s a poorly written show. It show this always works. Dude is going to say “SHE STOPPED KOU FROM STOPPING YHR COLONY” or some dumb lie and you’re going to get all sanctimonious about it like a massive tool
>>23725587You sound like a really neurotic and angry anon.
>>23725571>Let’s pretendBrother it's only 13 episodes go watch it
>>23725599Just did. I see nothing but a personal betrayal of Kou
>>23725571>Please explain what she did I'll list her crimes and her moral failures. Legal Crimes:1. Aid to an enemy combatantGato is officially an enemy of the Federation and is committing acts of terrorism, including theft of Federation military property. By helping him evade capture and assisting in his mission, Nina is legally aiding and abetting an enemy. Under Federation law, this could be considered a serious crime such as treason or conspiracy with the enemy.2. Brandishing a firearm against military personnelFederation law would view this as assault on a military officer or obstruction of justice. Even if she doesn’t fire, pointing a gun at a soldier during a military operation is a serious offense.3. Interfering with a military operationBy using a gun to protect Gato, she is actively interfering with the Federation’s attempt to capture or neutralize an enemy combatant, which could be classified as aiding an enemy or obstruction of law enforcement.Moral failures:4. Doesn't stop Gato from making the Colony final adjustments. The colony impact could have been redirected towards the ocean and drastically reduce the damage to the Earth's surface. We know it's possible. 5. Prevents Kou from using a nuclear explosion to destroying the Colony.It could be argued that Kou could have detonated Neue Ziel's massive nuclear reactor and blown up part of the The Colony before it hit Earth. But since Nina pulled a gun on Kou and helped Gato escape, then it's not possible.6. Betraying the Federation and Kou's trust.Nuff said. There's a reason betrayal is considered the greatest sin in the entire world.
>>23725683>assisting him in his mission>not stopping him redirect Nigga she pulled a gun on him. Kou shot him first and he STILL pulled it. And you want to BLOW UP the colony? Did you see GSD? That’s just Break the World and is just as bad if not worse. She’s a cunt for betraying Kou but that’s IT
>>23725707>She’s a cunt for betraying Kou but that’s ITShe's not innocent. She aided a war criminal and pulled a gun on a Federation official. That's literally treason. And in every country in the world, treason is punishable by death.
>>23725707>Did you see GSD? That’s just Break the World and is just as bad if not worse. In GSD they said that breaking up the colony into smaller bits would actually save the planet. But the process got interrupted half way through. That's why the planet was devastated. That demolition wasn't complete.
>>23725707Citing Destiny as something reasonable is highly foolish.
>>23725758NTA but a single MS reactor won’t do jack shit. They were already throwing nukes around in the one week war and it was barely effective against something as big as a colony unless you saturated it 3minute mark if the timestamp doesn’t work https://youtu.be/IUoXQ-5VAaY?t=180
>>23725788wtf you talking about. Gp02 melted half of Solomon with a single nuke. And destroyed two thirds of the feddie space fleet. ONE NUKE!
>>23725794And that’s a specific weapon meant to channel and output that nuke. This is a last rigged reactor. You have all she information in front of you, I believe in you
>>23725794Ywnb
>>23725265>>23725307>0083>When Zeon loses>Zeon WankZeon Derangement syndrome is officially a thing
>>23725788I'm not sure I agree. The 0080 anime showed us a single nuke was enough to destroy a Colony and Zeon was about to use it to destroy a colony if their infiltration team failed to destroy the Gundam.
>>23725788An MS Reactor explosion and a nuclear bomb are not even remotely on the same scale. That's some 08th MS team nonsense.
>>23725843>>23725871You have footage of a nuke used on a colony right there
>>23725871Anon...they intentionally blow up a mobile suit reactor in Victory Gundam. The nuclear explosion is ENORMOUS, and covers an entire mountain range and is bigger than a large city. An MS nuclear reactor explosion is clearly enough to blow up a colony.
>>23725886Wasn't this an entire battleship they blew up? Not just one mobile suit.
>>23725882That doesn't make sense. Then why would Zeon say a single nuclear missile is enough to destroy the colony in 0080?
>>23725888It was. Anon is delulu
>>23725886Nuke in atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nuke in vacuum. High school physics
>>23725888>>23725905None of you watched Victory.
0079EP1Mobile Suit Reactor violently explodes inside a colonyColony is fine.
>>23726008You mean besides the Hiroshima level explosion?
>>23726083Sure. And the colony is fine. A baby hole in it as they fuck around inside for two episodes
>>23724447>Amuro (who's like 1/4th Japanese) and Sayla/Beltorchika>Shiro and Aina>Kou and Nina (lmao)>Heero (who's also like 1/4th Japanese or something) and Relena>Kira and Lacus>Mikazuki and KudeliaI'm starting to think Gundam directors have a type they're trying to manifest into existence
>>23726126>kou and nina>they let the japanese guy get cucked by another white guyWhat did the japanese mean by that
>>23726113You realize a Zaku is much smaller than a mobile armor right?
>>23724492Honestly sounds a lot better. You could even keep the Romeo and Juliet story, but make it tragic and doomed. And that's just much more thematically rich than the boring "my brother is going too far!", "let's be friends in war" themes we got by the end of the show.>>23725105I dont have a source, but if you pay attention to the early episodes, Aina and her brother's relationship is treated like OP's pic. The brother is shown as a aristocratic, upstanding guy, and Aina adores and trust him. Cut to an episode or two later and the brother is a neurotic and Aina doesn't entirely get along with him. Something caused whatever initial plans they had for chatecterization to be changed. >>23725297GQuuuuux literally has a last minute reveal to explain the Zeon winning timeline is not a result of small changes to the timeline. The show invites you to go on believing that Zeon could have never won the war.
>>23726688>Aina and her brother's relationship is treated like OP's pic. The brother is shown as a aristocratic, upstanding guy, and Aina adores and trust him. Cut to an episode or two later and the brother is a neurotic and Aina doesn't entirely get along with him.you guys always look for an easy answer, it seems like a standard story progression to me.
>>23726688>Honestly sounds a lot better. You could even keep the Romeo and Juliet story, but make it tragic and doomed. And that's just much more thematically rich than the boring "my brother is going too far!", "let's be friends in war" themes we got by the end of the show. The romance between Shiro and Aina was under-developed and completely unnecessary. You can't write a romance story where the characters never interact with eachother. The Director's first idea of a "Zeon family sticking together, but ultimately fighting a losing war" was a great idea. It could show the tragedy of following terrible leaders. It's definitely something Tomino would have embraced. If romance was absolutely required, then they could written something between Shiro and Kiki. At least that makes sense. Or show us other MS teams with more women pilots. But as other anons have pointed out, Gundam has this weird fetish or pairing Japanese men with White Women.0083:Kou and Nina 08th MS Team:Shiro and AinaGundam Wing:Heero Yui and Releena PeacecraftG Gundam:Domon and RainGundam X Garrod Ran and TiffaGundam Seed:Kira Yamato and Lacus ClyneUnicorn Gundam:Banagher and Mineva(Banagher's is part Japanese through his mom's side)Gundam NT:Jona and the two other white girlsI'm probably missing a few but you get the idea. There's a big pattern of Gundam writers wanting their main characters to be with white women. I can't think of a single Gundam where the male Japanese main character gets with a Japanese woman.
>>23726704>you guys always look for an easy answer, it seems like a standard story progression to me.No that's just your mind trying to fill in the gaps with head canon. You are supposed to judge a story based on what is presented on screen. Not what you imagine.
>>23726863but you are not doing that. you are describing two things that don't seem to be consistent to you and applying a meta lens of 'something must have changed during production' to it. When the more plausible scenario could be that it was just how it was originally written (no matter how good or bad). Nobody can provide any concrete proof of things, it's just that some things have been repeated ad nauseam in the community that it is taken as truth. Like Kamille being in CCA, Loran originally being a girl, Bright ordering execution, Uso being Char's descendant etc.
>>23726672You realize a reactor is a reactor you dumb fuck.
>>23726922Everyone has said that Aina and her brother had a good relationship in prior episodes without any signs of hostility. Then suddenly the next episode Aina hates him and the brother is a psycho. There is no on-screen explanation presented to us about this huge shift. >When the more plausible scenario...AGAIN...it's not your job to "find" a scenario. You job is to judge what is presented to us on screen by the writers.
>>23726940You are an idiot. A Neue Ziel is like 30x bigger than a Zaku. Its reactor produces 80x more output than a Zaku reactor. Bigger reaction = bigger explosion.
>>23726995It's been a while since I watched 08th MS, but I never saw their relationship as completely amiable. There was always on undercurrent of control from Ginias over Aina. He looks noble on surface but it was pretty fucking obvious he was going to be the villain. Aina also attempts to convince her to surrender but her shoots her. I won't call the writing of the OVA great or well executed but it's not bullshit change made by director switching that people seem to think (without any fucking source).
>>23724447I would if I was her.
>>23726860It's not just Gundam. It's anime as a whole. Nearly every harem has at least 1 white woman. Nearly every isekai is about a Japanese guy arriving in a European inspired world where a white woman is his love interest. There is legit something wrong with anime writers and directors. Even the US isn't as blatant with its Asian woman fetish anymore.
>>23727111>There is legit something wrong with anime writers and directorswhite women are hot, theres nothing wrong with that
>>23727172You would think Gundam would have at least one Japanese female lead.
>>23726113I mean sure, it took several years to rebuild and it left the colony uninhabitable during that time despite the explosion not being a critical area. But sure, it did "nothing".
>>23727393NTA but it did nothing to it that would prevent it from falling to earth in a stardust situation.
>>23726860>Rain>WhiteI thought her name was Mikamura?
>>23726860>rain and domonBoth of them are from Neo-Japan. Both are Japanese. You'd have a bigger point if Domon got together with Allenby.
>>23727399>>23727406Nope. She's a white girl design.Fun fact: The "Rain" character design we saw in the TV show was originally meant for Neo America. The brunette woman character design was meant to be one of Chibodee Crocket's 5 cheerleader girlfriends. The staff originally planned a completely different look for Rain Mikamura and Neo Japan. Something more traditional that reflected Japanese culture. But the Director and staff made a last minute change. The reason? They "liked" Chibodee Crocket's American girlfriend character designs much more (Not even joking. That's what they said.). So the staff just "cut/pasted" one of Chibodee's girls. Then Chibodee went from 5 girlfriends down to 4 girlfriends. Then Domon gained 1 brunette girlfriend. They didn't even bother to change her looks or outfit either to match Neo Japan's theme. And that's how we ended up with a "Rain Mikamura" looking like a white girl from New York with brunette hair...but somehow she's from Neo Japan with Japanese parents. LOL.
>>23727447Kek. Even behind the scenes the Asian staff are obsessed with white women.
>>23727447Honestly Rain doesn't look Japanese at all. It's like they drew a European girl and then gave her Japanese name.
All Japanese guys need white women.Like white men need Japanese women.
>>23726860>>23727825Does Kamille have any Asian in him or is he a White boy? (Since Fa is Asian)
>>23727834kamille's birthplace is supposed to be japan but fuck if I know what ethnicity he's supposed to be. father seemed to be white, couldn't remember for the mother
>>23727834I'm pretty sure that Kamille is supposed to be part French of all things.
>>23724447In space.
