If so, I don't think the white base would be able to launch such a big mobile suit.Also, isn't bigger = larger target?
>>23733494Grandpa is 18 meters, nu is like 22 I think I'm not gonna count pixels but doesnt seems wrong
>>23733494>6'0 vs 5'11
>>23733494>Also, isn't bigger = larger target?Generally speaking yes, which is why mobile suits underwent miniaturization come late UC. But around the end of early UC mobile suits were large powerhouses, filled to the brim with weapons. And the Nu carried the earliest prototypes of beam shielding with the fin funnel shield formation.
>>23733494Doesn't look too off from the old HG and MG comparisons. CCA era MS are supposed to be quite big
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>>23733494>Also, isn't bigger = larger target?Yes, but it can also carry more fuel, equipment, ammo and armor. It helps to remember that the 22m Nu was facing 20m Geara Dogas, 21m Jagd Dogas and the 23m Sazabi so it wasn't very different in size compared to it contemporaries.
>>23733528ackshually the dendrobium had the first beam shield out of all the gundams. they got it from reverse engineering the big zam or something idk
>>23733575You mean the i-field generator? That's generally considered a different thing rather than a distinct shield. It's more like a bubble.
>>23733494Ra Cailum is also twice as large as the White Base, so it evens out.
>>23733494how big and expensive would be a Xi gundam at the same scale?
>>23733494The scale of spaceships and colonies is massive. The ships are tiny when you consider that Argama fit inside a colony and was able to hide in rubble inside the colony at the start of ZZ.
>>23733611Probably like around the 800-1k dollars range? Xi is taller and bulkier than the Nu and the poncho might be a problem since it needs to hold the flight mode position and the simple hinge system they use on the HG will not hold in a PG scale.
>>23733536not a fan of the panel lining on those
Damn
>>23733494The psycommu needed giant machines to be installedThe nu uses the psycho frame that no longer needs behemoths, but probably still needs a big frame
>>23733892MSV already had Psycommu Zaku which is more or less Zaku height but slightly bulkier, under 18 meters tall.>>23733600>>23733494Nu already had to crouch to get out of the Ra Cailum's hangar
MSV is gay
>>23733937as with all things, a resounding yes, because you sure as fuck can't reconcile all the plot holesor maybe it managed to get away with being less bulky since it used wires so it didn't need to dedicate extra space on the suit and the remote weapons for signal receiver transmitters and antennae, etcI like to think qubeley looks the way it does not just because of aesthetics or AMBAC but because the parts that stick out a lot like the shoulders and the knees and the toes happen to house psycommu antenna and receptors
>>23733937now THIS is the kind of deep hard hitting analysis that keep me coming back
>>23733892The Jegan is similarly larger than previous GMs even without fancy newtype tech, its probably more a payload/reactor size thing.>>23733947You can just rationalize it as the Psycommu Zaku being a low spec testbed for the systems used in the Zeong, which even without legs dwarfs the RX-78, add the legs and the Zeong makes the Sazabi look small.
>>23734087Given that as far back as the MK2 the direction of designs is becoming minimal armor to allow for max performance, I think it's fair to infer that machines only got bigger because at that point, there wasn't really a way to squeeze much more performance into an 18 metre chassis and the gains of having more internal volume outweighed the losses of becoming a larger target.It's supported by the fact that later on we see smaller suits outclassing larger ones, once advances allow them to squeeze more into smaller machines.Smaller is better, unless you can't actually fit all the shit you need in smaller.>>23733687Lining on sites like that is typically deliberately heavy, it's to highlight where the panel lines are more than be a pleasing build. Same reason you'll sometimes see then deliberately leave nub marks more visible than you'd typically want to.
>>23734108Mobile suits actually got heavier armor all the way up through CCA. The MK2 just had an inferior armor material as it was supposed to be a testing prototype and not actually deployed in combat. Most suits were going for firepower/armor which is why they kept growing.It's only with F91 do mobile suits ditch most armor with miniaturized mobile suits and just go for speed/fire power.
>>23734152Anon that's just not true. The material is beside the point, the entire reason it was an innovation was it was basically the mobile suit equivalent of all-or-nothing armor first being introduced as well as the supporting moveable frame to make it actually work.Or at least that's one version of things, I'm sure there's about a dozen semi-canon explanations of things in a dozen different places giong their own ways. But for the MK2 at least they're pretty consistent about that.
>>23733892I'm pretty sure the Nu wasn't designed to house a psycommu system until the psycoframe designs got "leaked" to Anaheim, which allowed them to add the control system for remote weapons and develop the fin funnels later. Funnily enough, the psycoframe is small enough to be carried by a single average person.As to why the CCA era MS were so big? Well, don't forget that Anaheim has a lot of reasons to want MS to be bigger, more hittable targets.
>>23734077>deep hard hittingSlut.
>>23734152F91 is also so far after Zeon that their old suits shitting around and being used by people became less of a concern during the Zeta era and the post CCA era there were still plenty of random zeon suits from the one year war who used conventional weapons as the primary force the EFSF actually fought so the Jegen and the Gustav Karl being heavier suits built to shrug off shitty gun fire makes perfect sense when people still using garbage non-beam weapons from one year war surplus were the largest concern of the federation.
>>23734237Who is the middle guy?
>>23736865F90
>>23733575Like the other anon said, that’s an I-field generator, they’re different but they have their own advantages and disadvantages compared to beam shields, in fact they’re still largely useful in late UC especially during the Jupiter and zanscare periods
>>23733907Why is that carrier sporing some tire armor?
>>23737110at some point when you are launching and recovering MS, someone's going to make a mistake while landing or come in with a damaged MS, they might not be able to reverse thrust to avoid colliding with the ship's hull, so the giant rubber tires are there to absorb impactsreusing worn out vehicle tires is cheaper than purpose-built giant rubber shock absorbing pads, don't even need to melt them down
>>23737110missed the kino detail
>>23733528Miniaturization was purely a cost cutting maneuver during an unprecedented era of peace, and also to lowkey reign in AE's trend of upsizing MS with newer, more expensive gimmicks. They only developed the F90 to prove smaller MS could be high performance so the Federation would accept.
>>23734172Nah, Amuro designed the Nu to have a psycommu system, but they implemented it using psycoframe because they had access to it. October actually mentions Amuro wanting a psycommu in the film when they go to pick up the Nu Gundam. And in the Beltorchika's Children novel, the Nu has a normal psycommu installed already but they add on the Psycho Doga's psycoframe into the Nu's cockpit after Char straight up leaves one for Amuro.Remember psycoframe is just a miniaturized psycommu computation unit. It's not some revolutionary new technology in itself, it's just more computers that interact with and process newtype's psychowaves. Keep in mind the biosensor and quasi-psycommu were already simplified miniaturized psycommu devices that were a tiny, tiny fraction of the big ones from the OYW like the one in the Elmeth or even the Zeong. They're the same computing unit getting smallerover time like how computers went from big building-sized systems to tiny little things that can fit in a smartwatch.
>>23737152Bonus: if the Ra Cailum needs to suddenly change heading or go into a roll you have a hand-hold for mobile suits on the deck.
>>23733907The Psycommu Zaku and the Bishop had ridiculously shot sortie times, 10 min and 5 min IIRC
>>23733907What kind of vehicle do those tires come from that's relevant in space?
>>23737713lunar and colony construction vehicles? since they have mass drivers, they probably shoot cheap cargo into space from earth as well
>>23737568that tends to happen if you replace entire limbs with fuckhuge rockets and the hands draw as much power as 10 beam rifles
>>23737713People sized Einerad prototypes
>>23737424I thought it was a maneuverability thing due to materials allowing to not have to be so big. Keep the same reactors, but cut a massive proportion of weight by making them 25% smaller resulting in a much faster suit with more power for weapons and stuff.Pretty sure there's a line in F91 where a Jegan pilot says they're getting massacred because they're too big to keep up with the Denan Zons.
>>23738051>Nu Full Armor Gundam
>>23738212It's both. Technology was advanced enough that smaller MS that have similar, if not better capabilities than previous gen MS could be developed. Smaller MS also meant cheaper production that could also intergrate well with existing infrastructure, one of the stated proponents for miniaturization is that the increasing size of MS were leading to situations such as >>23733907, since ships refreash at a slower rate than MS.
>>23738212They have smaller reactors too. >>23738212>maneuverability thingKind of, but you can just make bigger suits faster by strapping more rockets to them. And smaller suits have less space to work with. The main difference was that the Cosmo Babylonia suits were just newer and better tech, possibly made using SNRI's own cutting edge tech. It wasn't strictly a size advantage.The F89 for example is actually HIGHER performance than the F90 in most dimensions, being a state of the art 18m-class MS that the SNRI made to validate MS technologies before starting the Formula project.
How long until the P-Bandai RX-94 Mass Produced Nu Gundam?
>>23733494Mobile suits got larger initially because they slapped larger and more powerful reactor on them but late UC mobile suits got smaller
>>23733494Yes the scale is right.
>>23740397...They made a PG Nu?I just heard my wallet cry out in fear.
>>23737110>>23737152This is not just a hypothetical, by the way. There's a scene in the movie where a damaged Jegan crash-lands into its own ship, clearly an inexperienced pilot because the smarter thing to do is eject rather than risk the whole ship.
>>23738417F-89 is a bullshit design slapped on for FF though
>>23745165Wasn't it made for Dust, then it showed up in FF a year later? It's why the F89 has the naming issue and the fact it doesn't match F91 era ms that well.
