Did they try to pull a Reccoa Londe with Puru's powers?Z had 50 episodes to make her somewhat compelling but still undeniable stupid, CCA had only 2 hours and she comes across as an insufferable schizophrenic retard
>>23735386shes the culmination of every message gundam as a series wants to convey and may just be the best character in the movieif you cant see it you are a brainlet, maybe evangelion is more your speed
>>23735499fucking neck yourself moron
>>23735499?????
>>23735499Women bad?
>>23735499/threaddubs of truth, if you hate quess you are the manchild that film is criticising.
>>23735499Basically this, if you cant understand Quess you dont understand what Gundam is about in the first place
Runaway Newtype abilities without a strong sense of humanity and authority to ground her. She latched on to Amuro, then Char, and dragged Hathaway into her wake, at everyone's expense. She was also written to be hated, hence her last name: Paraya, a homonym for "pariah".
Katz and Quess were needed to prove that if you make retarded kids fight mobile suit wars they will simply eat shit and die, nobody in the genre thought of that before.
>>23735386She's an example of a newtype that doesn't give a fuck about ideals or the greater good, unlike all the others we see in the series. A 'normal' newtype.
>>23735386>Did they try to pull a Reccoa Londe with Puru's powers?No, she's a Kamille Bidan lacking any guidance. She shows that, despite being leader of Neo Zeon, Char's ability to actually guide others has diminished.
>>23736219>Char's ability to actually guide others has diminished.>implying
>>23736219>Char's ability to actually guide others has diminishedNo?He literally rallied all neo zeon behind his cause, manipulated the earth officials, secured the director of the newtype labs and groomed quess to fight for himCCA shows him as a strong (but insincere) leader and a master manipulator
>>23735499This. Notice how the first few replies are breadead emotionally triggered kneejerk response. Just shows how right he is.
>>23736226>>23736228Manipulating =/= guidingKamille was able to grow out of being a brat, Quess didn’t have a chance, Char couldn’t understand her and ended up just using her without trying to temper her strong feelings
>>23735386Are you newfans mentally challenged?
>>23735386I feel for quess, some people find her annoying but shes just a mixed up kid meeting her hero and fangirling out. I feel bad for her, shes a tragic figure.
>>23736302>fangirling outBrother she jumped into a giant war machine and started murdering people for the vibesShe's a sociopath
>>23736302She's written to be an annoying impulsive brat, so I understand why she is received the way she is. I don't think the problem is that audiences didn't get Quess so much as it is that not everyone is going to find a 14 year old girl acting on impulse and getting caught up in a conflict she genuinely cannot understand sympathetic or interesting. But ultimately that's irrelevant when the point is that Char is taking advantage of her naivety and infatuation with him because he's a lunatic trying to blow up Earth with a giant asteroid.
>>23736410holy shit gundamfags are so retarded. did you even watch the film? she is a child, she doesn't grasp the concept of war or nuclear winter. She is clearly disturbed by the deaths around her and feels pain after her father's death. No adult in the film treats her well with care, she is pitiful.
>>23736426>she is a child, she doesn't grasp the concept of warDo children routinely murder people where you live? There's a difference between being naive and a sociopath
>>23736100>She was also written to be hated>>23736423>She's written to be an annoying impulsive bratNo, that's just lazy audience washing their hands off from introspecting. It's pretty indicating that the film ends with discussion about Quess searching for father figure, being used and Char finding her annoying.
>>23736429what a non sequitur, you clearly don't know what a sociopath is. do I need to explain why child soldiers are bad?
>>23736435>non sequiturYou said>mixed up kid meeting her hero and fangirling out>she is a child, she doesn't grasp the concept of war or nuclear winteras it that excuses her wanton murdersIt doesntShe gets no sympathy because she doesn't deserve it. Being groomed by char doesn't absolve her from all her wrongdoings
It is so weird that Hathaway is obsessed with Quess and acts like Char, but Char was responsible for what happened to Quess, and Quess cared for Char but took Hathaway for granted.
>>23736430Did I say her being written that way was a bad thing you jackass? I actually liked Quess, although I feel like the movie could have spent a little more time exploring her issues than it did, and the way Char treats her is one of the biggest tragedies of the movie.
>>23736465Terminal case of ONEitis
>>23736465She liked Char, he's obsessed with her, so he uses Char as a inspiration. It makes sense.Yeah. you could have Hathaway reacting badly to Char using her and attempting to kill everyone on Earth, but... barely any character seems to hold what the Zeon factions do against them. This is a problem even in Tomino's UC, although it becomes even bigger later on. The fight against Zeon never feels very personal even though considering the scale of the conflict and number of deaths it very well should be. It's hard to believe all these people haven't been touched directly by it at all.
>>23736465Two recurring themes in Gundam:1. Humans are trapped in cycles and are doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.2. Char destroys the life of anyone and everyone in a 500 km radius.
>>23736467it's not a bad thing cause it's not a thing at all, that was my point.
>>23736456you also don't know what murder means and grooming entails.
>>23736465>>23736471Some people are like that.
>>23735386Daddy (+stepmom) issues and she latches onto older men because of that. You see that in real life as well. CCA just didn't have enough time to tell enough about her backstory, but it's kinda implied she's rebelling against her daddy.
>>23735503Kek cuck
There are no hidden meanings in Gundam, somehow you people have deluded yourselves into thinking this for 20+ years.
>>23737204Wowcoolrobotchad, I kneel...
>>23737207Of course you do you fucking faggot.
Just watched for the first time after finishing 0079, Zeta, and ZZ. Without supplemental manga and novels, which I have heard explain what the fuck is going on better, you get:>Char disappears after the end of Zeta>Just sits back as the ZZ crew wrecks the shit out of both sides of the Neo Zeon Civil War>Somehow, despite knowing he’s Char goddamn Aznable, feddie leadership accepts gold to give him Axis>even though gold would be practically worthless once asteroid mining becomes plausible, which it definitely is in UC since they’re harvesting Helium-3 gas from Jupiter on the other side of the asteroid belt>nobody tries to stop Axis moving towards Earth with any of the WMDs they have laying around until it’s too late for some reason, even though dropping huge shit on to Earth is Zeon’s trademark >Amuro has to pull some newtype shenanigans to save everyone, decides the situation was so cringe that he dies>oh yeah and Hathaway rehashes Katz’s arc from Zeta, but doesn’t die and becomes a terrorist from simping too hardCool robot fights though
>>23737355>>nobody tries to stop Axis moving towards Earth with any of the WMDs they have laying around until it’s too late for some reason, even though dropping huge shit on to Earth is Zeon’s trademarkThis part happened in ZZ too, so it's really not new.
>>23737355WMDs are banned, that's why Char praises Bright when he sneaks them in the missile barrage.They could have lifted the ban but Feddiecrats don't care about Earth or people.
>>23735386She's a dumb attention starved teenager, I don't get what's so confusing about her character
>>23737390I think it's hard for people to accept fairly mundane reasons that Tomino characters take to jump to leave their nation and jump into an enemy army. Most other writers would make this some huge dramatic incident, but with Tomino characters basically flow with their feelings.
>>23737406I know right? Dumb people expecting characters to act in a rational and coherent way
>>23735386badly written character, these aren't real people. You people aren't fans, you are schizos
The more I read Tomino's interviews and novels to understand him, the more I believe Char is a pedo. Gyunei is right, Neo Zeon soldiers gossiped about Char are right, Nanai is right, Tomino is right, /m/ is wrong. Char didn't fuck Quess because he already cum inside Nanai's pussy that night. Remove Char's cumdump (Nanai) out of picture and you'll see
>>23736410She was encouraged to do that by a man she idolized, when I was 14 I did all sorts of impulsive things I now look back on and cringe at, but I also didnt have my hero standing there telling its okay too. Quess is a dumb kid, shes being used and she's looking for someone she can trust and Char is exploiting her. Its sad, I feel bad for her. It doesnt condone her actions, obviously what shes doing is wrong, but cant you empathize with her situation? Maybe when you're older yourself you'll get it.
Quess is fucking shit and the reason why CCA sucks donkey dick
spoiled brat surrounded by sorry excuses for a man that only worsened her issues. Unfortunately for her, she never had the chance to meet a reuw chad who would have slapped some sense into her and correct her shitty behaviour, and probably save her life in the process too
>>23735386Daddy issue is a hell of a drug
>>23737406>Teenage girl caring about loyalty and duty to countryLmao
>>23735386Nah, High Streamer. CCA's mediocrity comes from the fact that it had no time to develop characters. You can't go back and give Tomino an extra 30 minutes of runtime, so might as well add some context while he's still alive and cognizant.
>>23735386Absentee father.
>>23736950That's actually really depressing.
>>23737448We have Hispanics signing up for ICE, reality is no stranger than fiction.
>>23736265>Char couldn’t understand herI'm pretty sure he did and used her to his advantage. Why do you think he chastised Gyunei for gossip? He didn't want to lose her misplaced devotion to him. He strung her along to the very end.
>>23737181>(+stepmom)Wasn't that his mistress?
>>23740931>I'm pretty sure he didAmuro and Char's final conversation suggests otherwise when Amuro points out what Quess wanted was a father figure.
>>23740931>>23742126NTA but I don't think he cared, he definitely has the "oh, ok that makes sense" reaction but a very casual one, and he's known multiple pilots with the same issue, he just simply didn't care about her enough to bother thinking about it, nor did he want to deal with doing that (I think he mentions this as well).Not sure if it's in the show or just in the >movies where Hayato outright asks Char to keep an eye on Katz for him, and he definitely sure was trying to be something for Kamille
>>23735386Unironically it's daddy issues. Quess had some massive daddy issues.
>>23735499"Women are crazy and retarded" was the moral of Gundam as a series?
>>23737355ZZ has the Earth Federation not care that Neo-Zeon dropped a colony on Dublin.Why would they care about a bigger colony drop? It'll help reduce the Earth's population even more. They can just have skin lodges instead of beach resorts.
>>23740725>I am not supposed to enforce law because of race Sounds about right
>>23742126He knew that Quess wanted his love. He just didn't realise or care that it was fatherly love she wanted, not romantic love. She probably wasn't entirely self-aware of that, herself
