So I finally got around to watching this from start to end, after years of seeing bits and pieces of it on Adult Swim when it first aired in the US, and man... it kinda sucked.Are all the high ratings of the show from people who watched the first half and dropped it? Almost every single aspect of the second half was pure nonsense, and it wasn't even cool enough to function as rule of cool.What the fuck. What does /m/ think of it?Before anyone mentions it, I hear that the sequel series is worse and I have no intention of watching that.
On the positive side, Ray and Charles were way too good for this show.I would absolutely watch a show entirely about them.
>>23741379It is was good and all, but Pocketful of Rainbows and Astral Ocean were much better. Way less filler and better music and mecha.
>>23741379The sequels aren't really good even as standalone, but a lot of the -hate- for them comes from how they basically demolish the 2nd half of the series. If you didn't care for that, you probably won't be bothered by them.
>>23741391Oh really? That's interesting. What did people like about the second half of the show so much to be bothered by that in the first place? "Renton and Eureka get along with the kids" was more or less finalized with the 7th episodes or whatever it was, so spending 2 episodes of the final 5 on that AGAIN was a massive waste to me. And then Dewey's entire plan was just fucking insane to the point of incomprehensibility, so I cannot fathom anyone having a problem with that getting futzed with.It really bothers me that basically nothing in the final act is "earned." Not in the Anemone plotline, not in the Holland/Dewey plotline, not even in the Renton/Eureka plotline. None of it felt natural at the end.
Eureka Seven seemed so fucking cool when it first started on [adult swim], the first few episodes really had me pumped. Started off strong.But like many I dropped it less than halfway throughDidn't keep up the momentum and became really retarded over timeI don't feel like I'm missing anything by not finishing it, nor do I have a desire to. I have no real interest in where they took the series.
>>23741379Same. I watched it when it came on Toonami a few times but never could get into it.
>>23741395>None of it felt natural at the end.Because they spent so much time on Renton and Eureka's love drama, that everything and everybody else just takes back seat to that. Like you straight just start forgetting everything that's not related to that Renton and Eureka's relationship, the Main enemy faction, Dewey's whole plan, the entire point of the trip, all of that shit just became and after thought, that's why Eureka 7 feels so flay by the end, and then the sequels to move away from that are hated on because people have Stockholm syndrome with Renton and Eureka, and continuation will always been as it ruining the Orignal story of Eureka Seven and irony is, literally no can coherently sum up Eureka Seven beyond Renton hooking up with Eureka, so that communication between Humans and Coraliens can be established. Even then I don't think people remember that aspect about the drama between Renton and Eureka. What I'm trying say is, we just fucking wanted sky surfing mech, not teenagers awkwardly discovering love.
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>>23741450I wouldn't have had a problem with Renton and Eureka falling in love if it were handled well, but I don't think the show even managed that. I fucking loved G Gundam's Domon/Rain romance and there are probably a lot of parallels between the two pairings. Am I wrong to summarize the E7 romance as:>14 year old boy falls head of heels for girl with green hair>he occasionally says awkward/rude things because he's young and stupid>she completely changes character halfway through the show, but he doesn't care because he was never in love with her character>he was in love with her green hair>now she says awkward/rude things>before it was because she was an emotionally stunted child soldier but now it's because she's an alien emotionally stunted child soldier>it's okay though, he really just wants to stare at her green hair>"Isn't love beautiful?"
>>23741500Not really but again the main issue is that everything about Eureka 7 took back seat priority to that. This is why you have also have shit like >Holland"Oh man, Holland, the super cool veteran pilot. Leader if the gecko state is jealous of Renton and but hurt he couldn't be super special, even already is and that's his only purpose in the show, being a jealous cuck until the very where writers finally go "okay maybe we should finally do something with him besides making him a cuck">Anemone and Not Renton"Man they just like Renton and Anemone too, only he's too much of a bitch to really show that he cares for her the Way Renton does for Eureka>the fucking Nirvash itself"Wow, the Nirvash is reacting and resonating to the love that's forming between Renton and Eureka. It really is a symbol of it's love. Isn't that amazing?>literally Everything else"Does it affect Renton and Eureka's relationship in any way? No? Then who cares?I'm probably being abit too broad with those points, but even the entire second half still felt like it was hijack by the romance way too much, giving you that feeling of "holy shit, we get it! Renton and Eureka OTP. Can you stop shoving it in our face so much?"
well the main director wanted it to end like evangelion. We see how bad that was with the movies and newer ovas. Still I heard the sidestories were better in regards to more surfing mechs
>>23741379Couldn't get into it during the 2000s.
>>23741379Sorry, you got filtered.
>>23743331Explain how, using only information that is presented directly in the show (no relying on science fiction novels that the show was inspired by).
>>23741379I love it, an incredibly beautiful anime with a really inspired setting and visual design. It's aesthetic is just so sleek and stylish visually and sonically. It aged very well for something from that early 00s digital era. I loved Renton and Eureka's romance, it's cheesy teenage puppy love stuff done well.I think most of the praise for E7 comes from the fact that it just has a certain vibe that you either resonate with or don't at all. For me it's the perfect anime. Everything about it just works for me.
>>23741380All couples were good desu, even Renton-Eureka picked up when Renton manned up.
>>23743474Explain how what? You didn't "get" it.
>>23743539Eh? The visuals past the robots and their surfboards are honestly ass. It's mostly always some variation of a gray or brown canyon with a generic sky backdrop.
>>23743539>Everything about it just works for me.Why is Nirvash considered special when it's no different from the other LFOs in that it was dug out of a hole in the ground?What was Dewey's goal and how did he ever convince anyone to go along with it?Why did Anemone flip from total devotion to Dewey to total devotion to Dominic the moment Dominic left for a day?What did Adroc actually do to "save the world?"Why did Ray and Charles have such a strong vendetta against Holland and the Gekko?Sure it's bright and colorful and has memorable character designs but the story was completely nonsensical. And it doesn't even really have good mech fights.>>23743558If you can't explain it then I don't think you "got" it either.
>>23743613I'm not even the guy who said you got filtered, but if you don't explain what it is other than "it kinda sucked" what do you even expect people to explain for you? You say you didn't understand the last half given you called it "nonsense" so I'm inclined to think you were filtered.
>>23743617What he just brought up in >>23743613 is literally just about everything that seems like it would have been a big deal and important to the show's plot later, stuff that would never actually get answer and be completely swept aside so they could focus more on developing Renton and Eureka's romance. This is what he's talking about as far the last half being mid as fuck. He's asking how he didn't get those aspects if there were anything there to get at all. I'm sure there probably was that i'm not remembering myself, but it's very apparent so much second half got under developed for more focus on the Romance.
>>23743617I didn't say that I didn't understand the second half. I said it was nonsense. Are you able to answer any of the questions I posed in the post you just replied to?The show constantly undercuts its own "love and peace protect the planet, brah" messaging, it never really explains any of the cryptic (or even critical) plot points that it introduces (desperation sickness, the limit of questions, how the limit wasn't reached, what LFOs actually are, etc), and even the ones that do have answers that can be inferred (LFOs) or are from outside sources (the limit of questions) usually have blasé answers or answers so simple that the show should have just included them.>Where did the 303 come from?Scientists.>Did they really have that all along?Sure, why not.>Why didn't they use it before?Didn't seem pertinent.>Even when Holland and the crew almost died all those times?Yeah, didn't seem pertinent yet. Also it has physical consequences.>Where do we see these consequences?Holland gets bruises but they go away so they're really not that big of a deal.
>>23741450 >Because they spent so much time on Renton and Eureka's love drama, that everything and everybody else just takes back seat to that. Like you straight just start forgetting everything that's not related to that Renton and Eureka's relationship, the Main enemy faction, Dewey's whole plan, the entire point of the trip, all of that shit just became and after thought i think this is sorta what got me in the end. i thought they'd stop fucking around after the third op came in but all of the serious stuff they included from then on sorta imploded into the last kissing scene and the timeskip. basically it was a coming of age love story from the start and i completely fooled myself into thinking it was gonna do something more profound. at least the animation was fun to look at...
Yeah it felt weird how it suddenly went full on Brain Powered near the end with the threat of the aliens simply waking up threatening all humanity.
>>23743786once you've watched one sunrise show you've kinda watched all of them
>>23743786It's hinted at very early on. Even in like episode 2 whenever the Seven Swell happens it should key you in that there's some supernatural element to the show.
>>23743605It's a mecha show, of course the mecha content is gonna stand out the most. But also there's tons of great artwork throughout the show. Like when they introduce you to Renton his bedroom alone does a great job at characterizing the kinda kid he is. there's tons of detail put into the stickers, posters and other stuff scattered about that conveys the kind of 90s-00s skater kid he's meant to invoke. Great visual storytelling in just a few shots. It's something that stood out to me because many anime don't even bother with this kind of detail. But it really makes Renton feel like a genuine teenager just for the simple fact that he's into stuff that real teenagers would be into.
>>23744208How are you connecting those two ideas? The Seven Swell is a pure dues ex machina ability, which is never explained and has nothing to do with the impending potential end of the world.
>>23743613>Why is Nirvash considered special when it's no different from the other LFOs in that it was dug out of a hole in the ground?It's special because it's a 2 seater LFO archetype, no other LFO had that.>What was Dewey's goal and how did he ever convince anyone to go along with it?He wanted to purify the world by destroying the Corallians, he did this by triggering corallian antibody attacks and using that as propaganda.>Why did Ray and Charles have such a strong vendetta against Holland and the Gekko?Because he abandoned the military, and Ray blames Eureka for her infertility>What did Adroc actually do to "save the world?"I don't remember if this is explained explicitly in the show or not.
>>23744222Because when it happens you get like 3 shots of different people talking about how destructive "the seven swell effect" is in a very ominous tone along with shots showing a landscape that has been completely destroyed by the event in the same episode.
>>23744212Not that anon, and not saying that attention to detail isn't pretty neat, however, you understand that's an example of something really don't need further clarification on and an example of this show's ultimate flaw, too much of emphasis on things that at just flat out obvious, meanwhile all the other aspects of the show are under explained. Not saying they didn't need to do all that Renton's room, but look at it like this, you remember Renton's room sticking out for you, far more than you remember any of the show's major plot beats. Let that sink in.
>>23744253>Thing that the show took the time to make sure to show is obvious.That's you projecting btw that it stands out "far more than you remember any of the show's major plot beats"
>>23744256It isn't though, that's just an example of the shows overall fall at times. Certain aspects being neglected in favor of others
>>23744253It's not about necessity, or detail, or plot beats. A show isn't just meant to be a conveyor belt of information. Anime aren't just about "plot beats" or story. That's an incomplete way of evaluating or engaging with any media, especially with filmmaking.It's an experience. The mise en scène, the aesthetic of how the story is told are just as if not even more important.Also you're moving the goal post from talking about visuals to plot now. I didn't choose that scene because I didn't remember the show's plot.
>>23744253blue sky fish, Acperience 2, morning glory... man I'm struggling to choose because every episode from 20 to 40 are some of my favorite episodes of anime. I pity you who doesn't enjoy that.
>>23744268Listen my guy, As you said a show isn't just "conveyor of info", I can tell you a show isn't just about it's Visuals. I'll agree with you that the show is mainly about the experience, but that that means is not only do the visuals have to be on point, the story and writing have to be as well. The plot beats and story are what set up the conditions for said visuals and engaging presentations. They both contribute to the experience. There is no goal post being moved. As I have been trying to point out, when too much attention is focused one aspect, the other aspects tend to suffer from neglect and the experience is left wanting.
>>23744286>a show isn't just about it's Visuals.There are quite a few anime and films that are just that. It's called a "motion picture" for a reason
>>23744297So your saying, that Anime just shouldn't have any sort of writing to them what so ever, they just just be a collection of random animations and that's enough for them to be good?
>>23744286It sounds like you don't really enjoy /m/ that much to begin with. If you're so fixated on plot beats and story you probably are the kind of person who gets hung up on the fact that the show is about people fighting in giant robots.
>>23744304this is a total strawman, but to make a long story short? Yes.
>>23744306Where do you think you are? This board does nothing but talk about the plot and story of shows?
>>23744248>NirvashYou said "archetype" like the show, but it's not a baseline for anything. This is what I mean. It is a two-seat LFO that they dug out of a hole. It's safe to assume there are other two-seat LFOs that they have not yet dug out of holes, because there are still holes full of LFOs.>He wanted to purify the worldHe was clearly aware of the universe ending implications of attacking the skubs. "Purifying the world" meant ending all life in the universe and he was aware of this, but was doing it anyway and also convinced other people like "the sage lady" to let him do it. No one with any inkling of knowledge should have let that many anywhere near power.>Ray and CharlesOkay but you must realize how crazy this is when they had to throw away a happy family life with Renton to pursue that vengeance, when Renton staying with them would have filled the void without bloodshed.>>23744252I meant specifically, how were you connecting "the young boy makes a big LOVE explosion" with "aliens will wake up in such quantities that they break quantum mechanics?">>23744306This is completely horseshit because tons of giant robot shows also have good plots. Gundam [1979 among others], Gurren Lagann, Code Geass, Evangelion, Full Metal Panic... Visuals are a component of a motion picture. A story is another part. Characters are another part. A decent or good motion picture might make due with one of these elements but to be great you will generally want to make use of all of them, and more.
>>23744342>You said "archetype" like the show, but it's not a baseline for anything. This is what I mean. It is a two-seat LFO that they dug out of a hole. It's safe to assume there are other two-seat LFOs that they have not yet dug out of holes, because there are still holes full of LFOs.They explicitly state, this is the only LFO found with 2 seats. LFOs, KLFs are a technology that's at least ~20 years old. and with the technology this civilization possesses it doesn't take much to assume that they've been rapidly manufacturing and searching for other such cases. For someone who cares so much about writing and plot you don't seem to be able understand the intention of the writers with Nirvash.
>>23744342>"Purifying the world" meant ending all life in the universe and he was aware of this, but was doing it anywayHe believed that it would be better off that happened than humanity be forced to deal with the scubs. He's a maniacal villain. I don't know why you're expecting him to be reasonable. E7 isn't that kind of show, it's very idealistic, like a fairy tale. The Heroes are Heroic and the villains are villainous.
>>23744342>It's safe to assume there are other two-seat LFOs that they have not yet dug out of holesThey say in the show it's the only one they found that was like that, this is a totally baseless assumption.>but you must realize how crazy this is when they had to throw away a happy family life with RentonThey didn't throw it away, Renton chooses to leave.
>>23744342>I meant specifically, how were you connecting "the young boy makes a big LOVE explosion" with "aliens will wake up in such quantities that they break quantum mechanics?">How did you predict the super important overemphasized and mysterious climactic event in the beginning of the story about something awakening would be relevant to its conclusiongeez man I don't know.
>>23744362That's not even the same guy who was arguing with you. He's basically asking "Surely the Nirvash can't be the ONLY LFO that's a two seater, as there still way more undiscovered LFOs." But thing is the Nirvash is literally the only one. That right there is would pretty glaring plot whole because why would they only make just LFO of that type. The answer is because It's not really the 2 seater that made Nirvash special. What made it special is it's able to evolve thanks to it's special drive. That's the one thing the Nirvash can do, that the other KLFs can't. See this is what i mean when I say people only remember The show for the Romance but they can't tell you anything else about the show.
>>23744362>They explicitly state, this is the only LFO found with 2 seats.They also explicitly state that LFOs are still being found in literal holes in the ground. And as you say yourself, they've only been digging for apparently...>a technology that's at least ~20 years oldI shouldn't have to remind you how absurdly small that timeline is when the show takes place 10,000 years after humans left Earth (and forgot where it was, so they flew back to it and colonized it a second time without knowing where they were).That's another issue of the show - that the entire timeline of humanity seems completely irrelevant except for the past 20 years. It goes both too fast and too slow at once. There are never any "new" LFOs introduced, either - every "newly revealed" one is actually an older one.For that matter what the fuck is the difference between and LFO and KLF? Why did they get two names?>>23744371>I don't know why you're expecting him to be reasonable.Because the presumably "reasonable" government gives him a carte blanche to fight the Gekko, which is NOT on a mission to end all life in the universe. Darth Vader is villainous for the sake of it in the OT but he's not an omnicidal maniac. There are lines that can be drawn between these things.>>23744375You're missing the problem I have with the word :"archetype." Nothing was built "based off of" Nirvash. Nirvash was found in a hole, like every other LFO. No LFOs were actually designed based off of Nirvash because Nirvash is the only one that runs on gumdrops and dreams.>Renton chooses to leave-Because- they tell him that they're going to destroy the Gekko and his girlfriend. They did not have to do that. They had everything they wanted.>>23744382I did actually reply to him replying to me.Also don't even get me started on the Amita Drive. That's a whole BUNDLE of plot holes all in one.
>>23744375>They say in the show it's the only one they found that was like that, this is a totally baseless assumption.No it's not because they still potentially have more to dig up and some of those could be "two seaters"
>>23741450It's just Bones does, Rahxephon was the exact same way>>23744268Inasmuch as a plot exists, writers have a responsibility not to waste a viewers time by introducing elements they have no intention elaborating on, and also to understand what it is sets their story apart from other stories. If I was interested in a dime a dozen teen romance story I'd be watching a John Hughes movie
>>23741379People told me this was Sekai Kei 0079, turns out it was Brain Powerd/King Gainer but boring and for people that think surfers are the coolest guys ever.Most of the Gekkostate crew except Talho, Eureka and Renton are either boring or carefree assholes that go surfing and pull pranks in between killing people that are hard to sympathize with. Anemone and Rentons supposed foil/rival get fucking shafted. I get Holland is meant to be an intended, literal, immature manchild that takes his frustrations out on some kid he picked up but I got tired of that shit when he punches Renton for the third time or whatever. The go-getter messaging came across as juvenile (maybe Im too old and jaded for that) and the coralian plot and the themes about reconciling the adversarial relationship between humans and nature feel a bit like the shallow preaching of a new-age spirituality hippie, its completely toothless and naive compared to something like Brain Powerd or Char's Counterattack.Its probably ok/good overall though, this show just really doesnt suit my tastes because I was only really in it for Eureka and Anemone looking cute.
>>23743605>It's mostly always some variation of a gray or brown canyon with a generic sky backdrop.I wish eureka sevens settings were generic, the entire industry would be amazing.>>23744382>why would they only make just LFO of that typeThey dont make LFOs or KLFs, they slap armor and electronics onto a ostensibly living skeleton. They have several episodes dedicated to this both where they dome from and how theyre made, even the development process.>>23744384>Also don't even get me started on the Amita DriveC-drives are powered by coral dreams, given this, what is your issue with amita?
>>23744838>They dont make LFOs or KLFs,Your still missing the point, Nirvash's skeleton being able to hold a two seat cockpit isn't enough to make it special on own. Like you said because they just slap armor and electronics over it. And of the Lfo's they found could have been made into that. The plot hole we are talking about is the Nirvash being the only of its type in existence. That's not really feasible given the context we have about how they were discovered.
>>23744838>They dont make LFOs or KLFs, they slap armor and electronics onto a ostensibly living skeletonExactly, which is why I have a problem with calling Nirvash "the type 0" or "archetype." It wasn't the building block for any other LFOs - how could it be, when it was so different? >what is your issue with amita?It's a pure macguffin plot device with no explanation or origin or anything, really. It exists purely to move the plot forward.Did Adroc find it, or build it?If the former, why is there only one?If the latter, literally how did he do that when LFOs have seemingly only been known of for 20 years?How did the Amita drive get away from the military if it was only compatible with the Nirvash, which left the military's control under different circumstances and at a different time?For that matter, why was it only for the Nirvash? Slap that shit on the 606 - what happens?"The Coralians wanted to communicate with humans so they created a SINGLE LFO with two seats that could only be piloted by a SINGLE humanoid Coralian and her male partner, while also requiring a specific drive addon that may or may not have been made by the Coralians. I sure hope the humans dig in the right hole. But not too deep - they'd fall through the crust."We're also completely ignoring the Ray and Charles LFOs, which are treated as ancient relics (despite being 20 years old like all the other LFOs) but they have significantly higher tech capabilities than any other LFO, while also being looked down upon. The boards feel like a massive liability if you can have LFOs without them.
>>23744840On the note of LFOs, am I right there there are numerically only 10 types of them shown in the show?NirvashThe End303606808909Ray'sCharles' [generic soldier][Anemone Team generic beefyboy] (literally never does anything)Isn't that all of them? How can anything be based on anything when only two types of LFOs have more than one copy?
>>23744840Why cant it be the only type in existence if it was made consciously? Are you taking the stance that LFOs just naturally appear in the ground on earth? >And of the Lfo's they found could have been made into thatNo.>>23744844>Did Adroc find it, or build it?He built it>If the former, why is there only one?He died for one, and two he made it for nirvash>If the latter, literally how did he do that when LFOs have seemingly only been known of for 20 years?He was part of the original research team doing R&D for the first LFOs(literally nirvash). You know he was a scientist, right?>How did the Amita drive get away from the military if it was only compatible with the Nirvash, which left the military's control under different circumstances and at a different time?How did the military lose track of anything in this setting? Advanced retardation and specifically in this case adroc having friends in both the military and the scientists employed by them.>For that matter, why was it only for the Nirvash? Slap that shit on the 606 - what happens?Presumably nothing, like when nirvash refuses to do things. I admit they could have had a 10 second scene where they try this though.>"The Coralians wanted to communicate with humans so they created a SINGLE LFO with two seats that could only be piloted by a SINGLE humanoid Coralian and her male partner, while also requiring a specific drive addon that may or may not have been made by the Coralians. I sure hope the humans dig in the right hole. But not too deep - they'd fall through the crust." This seems predated on the coral passive waiting for things to happen and i dont really understand why both of you are fixated on that. Its alive, its thinking, and its taking action. Additionally they found eureka with it, not a great deal of interpretation required there. You two miss the episode where eureka accidentally gets vored?cont.
>>23744844>We're also completely ignoring the Ray and Charles LFOs, which are treated as ancient relics (despite being 20 years old like all the other LFOs) but they have significantly higher tech capabilities than any other LFO, while also being looked down upon. The boards feel like a massive liability if you can have LFOs without them.True, for the older stuff being more advanced... Deweys weapons mostly revolved around ancient spaceships, seemed like a 'rule of cool' thing. Boards being a liability absolutely true but this is /m/ so saying 'well they should have used fighter jets instead' is while justified, rather missing the point. Its a stylistic choice.
>>23744858>Are you taking the stance that LFOs just naturally appear in the ground on earth?No but that goes back to my initial question why would they only make JUST ONE like the nirvash and not make more for better results?
>>23744858>he made it for nirvashSo to be clear, the military scientist made a device that would hypothetically unlock the superpowers of ONE LFO when they had a veritable army of other LFOs that got no such interest? Must be nice to have a military dictatorship that also allows its top scientists to engage in (at the time demonstrably) pointless pet projects.>He was part of the original research team doing R&D for the first LFOs(literally nirvash). You know he was a scientist, right?I do know this but again, LFOs were not -invented- they were -found in a hole in the ground.- In less than 20 years they went from discovering dinosaur bones to "equipping Mecha T-rex with a human-made supercore that is powered by LOVE... but they didn't apply this technology to their army in any way. And then misplaced the supecore lmao.">How did the military lose track of anything in this setting?Hold the phone. Eureka was more or less kidnapped by a living Spec ops agent. That's easy to justify. Adroc got vaporized while the Amita drive was IN Nirvash and the Amita Drive had no purpose outside of Nirvash. If they feared the drive was dangerous, take a fucking hammer to it. If they didn't know its power, why take it off? If they did know its power and didn't fear it how the fuck was it removed and shipped without anyone noticing?>Its alive, its thinking, and its taking action.It takes half-actions, when the plot allows. What was the plan if Adroc hadn't made the Amita Drive? In a real since, what did the Amita Drive actually -do- besides nuke things when the plot demanded it? Nirvash moves on its own multiple times after all - it does not need Eureka or the Amita Drive [sometimes].>>23744861Typically mecha shows include a reason for the rule of cool, even if it's a throwaway. Minovsky particles. AT Fields. E7 doesn't have that because it has LFOs that both do and do not use boards - excluding the boards is both still cool, but also way more practical.
>>23744873Might as well ask why everyone didnt get free coral wives. Potentially possible but evidently not the route the coral chose.>>23744877>So to be clear, the military scientist made a device that would hypothetically unlock the superpowers of ONE LFO Well yes, thats the first one they got, they didnt have a gorillion at the time.>Must be nice to have a military dictatorship that also allows its top scientists to engage in (at the time demonstrably) pointless pet projects. True, the scientist people were all basically rebels amusingly enough. Not exactly what i would call a plot hole but thats how most characters are in the show.>I do know this but again, LFOs were not -invented- they were -found in a hole in the ground.- I guess? Is the issue that scientists work science-magic in a sci fi show?>but they didn't apply this technology to their army in any way. And then misplaced the supecore lmaoThey didnt have it, and at the time they didnt have any need of this. Actually, to the end of the series, they still wouldnt have had need of this.>If they feared the drive was dangerous, take a fucking hammer to itThe scientists didnt really see eye to eye with the gov on much. They had a mini-arc for this.>It takes half-actions, when the plot allows. Its sleeping, but dreaming.>In a real since, what did the Amita Drive actually -do- besides nuke things when the plot demanded it? Nirvash moves on its own multiple times after all - it does not need Eureka or the Amita Drive [sometimes].Going back to my original point about c-drives being powered by coral dreams, the amita drive is something you stick on top of the dream-catcher-power-core. Given this, and that on multiple occasions they ask nirvash for guidance, which he delivers, would you not think this is a device for communication with coral?
>>23744877>LFOs that both do and do not use boards - excluding the boards is both still coolI cant defend the military effectiveness of giant robots when airplanes and missiles still kind-of work. The principles governing ordinary flight actually still function fine in the setting, but theyre even more effective given coral brainmagic waves(see the shape of the carriers) Its just stylistic, they wanted surfers and waves. You can like it or hate it but honestly its a shallow complaint.
Doesn't this nigga got two seats?IK it's more of a passenger seat but still
>>23741380>Gekkostate (mostly Holland) treat Renton like absolute shit for the last dozen episodes>Finally introduced 2 characters who are nice to him>Holland brutally kills them>Oh and on top of that the only Gekkostate member nice to Renton is a surprise coralian and gets sucked into the new dimensionMy sides
>>23744840Isnt it called type Zero because its the first LFO ever discovered and developed? That makes it one of a kind in a certain sense, I dont see whats the problem.
>>23744905I mean you can fit more than 1 person in the cockpit these things, but the principle difference is nirvash clearly had two slots before they added seats.
>>23744896>the first one they got, they didnt have a gorillion at the time.Again, consider the timetable. 13,000 ships carrying god knows how many thousands of KLFs. Nirvash and the KLFs were all dug out of holes in the past 20 years, and then Adroc has been dead for some of those years (actually how long HAS Adroc been dead? There is no timeline for the Summer of Love). So we're really only looking at like a 10 year window for the military to discover and weaponize LFOs, and during that short time Adroc invented a device that would hypothetically give one of these thousands of LFOs "the power of love." I want to say "even if they didn't have KLFs" but we know they did - we see Holland piloting them in flashbacks.>Is the issue that scientists work science-magic in a sci fi show?The issue is that the "magic" component is basically all organic. Aliens created magic waves and magic mecha skeletons. Humans doing magic of that tier doesn't make logical sense when we see how primitive they are otherwise - it breaks my suspension of disbelief.>they didnt have any need of this.You don't think causing seventh swells on command anywhere any time would have been more useful/efficient than orbital strikes? I think they could have found a use for reusable nukes.>They had a mini-arc for this.The mini arc was presented as them finally rebelling because the military had gone too far. And was currently having a coup. The military wouldn't allow that unsupervised during relative peacetime.>Its sleeping, but dreaming.Its nightmares wipe out cities.>c-drives being powered by coral dreamsI was ignoring this because I thought you were just being flowery but if you meant it literally I don't recall the show ever saying anything like that. And what you say here goes back to my previous question - if it "works with a dream catcher" then it shouldn't be unique to Nirvash.>>23744902>its a shallow complaint.It's a single thread in a blanket woven of unresolved plotlines.
>>23744896>>23744924Okay I found a timeline on the wiki and this is just ridiculous. Humans discover Nirvash and Eureka in the same year and within 4 years teach HER how to pilot it when it was a completely new thing that they had never seen before? And develops "the power of love" for it?Obviously I don't know how correct/official this timeline is but that's fucking absurd.
>>23744924>hypothetically give one of these thousands of LFOs "the power of love." He made it for nirvash, you thinking it could be mass produced despite saying earlier its functionally a mcguffin is just baseless assumption. Something functioning in a way that is not precisely explained is not fundamentally a plot hole.>Humans doing magic of that tier doesn't make logical sense when we see how primitive they are otherwise - it breaks my suspension of disbelief.Given the theme for nirvash, Eureka and the drive thoroughout the whole series is communication, why assume its purely electronic in nature?>You don't think causing seventh swells on command anywhere any time would have been more useful/efficient than orbital strikes? I think they could have found a use for reusable nukes.Assuming the planet would oblige with killing itself i suppose. But even then, Dewey was imprisoned because he wanted to kill the coral, the rest of the government didnt agree with this at all.>The mini arc was presented as them finally rebelling because the military had gone too far. And was currently having a coup. The military wouldn't allow that unsupervised during relative peacetime.Like stealing an entire prototype warship? That they just fly around on for years?>I was ignoring this because I thought you were just being flowery but if you meant it literally I don't recall the show ever saying anything like that. And what you say here goes back to my previous question - if it "works with a dream catcher" then it shouldn't be unique to Nirvash.Desperation syndrome is one example of this, they are drawn into the coral dreams. More obviously however is the entire vodorac arc near the end with the priest who has a c-drive stuffed into his chest and therefore can ask favors of the planet. His wife the flower is kept in an isolation chamber that makes drives cease to function.
Over half the Gekkostate could be gunned down on screen and I would have cheered. Fucking assholes got off way too easy.
I liked the character designs and animation a lot but I ended up seeing King Gainer later and ended up liking that one a lot more.
>>23744987King Gainer is leaps and bounds above Eureka Seven. Eureka Seven just had the luck of being aired on burger TV.
>>23744938>He made it for nirvashBut why? And how? He made a magic supercore addon for a machine that no one could pilot, when they had other LFOs that other people -could- pilot. It's exceedingly convenient and has no proper explanation.>why assume its purely electronic in nature?I didn't assume that.>Assuming the planet would oblige with killing itself i suppose. That was literally Dewey's plan with the compact core in his chest (there's no explanation for that either, by the way) and his suicide. "I die and the planet kills itself" was apparently his plan with that.>Dewey was imprisoned because he wanted to kill the coralThis is not stated in the show and the timeline I referenced earlier, from the wiki, says he was imprisoned for losing Eureka. The show doesn't say that either, mind you - we have no fucking clue why he was actually in jail.>Like stealing an entire prototype warship?You seem to be conflating events. Holland (the Spec Ops master) stole that ship and various other military personnel. He stole one scientist at the time, not "all of them.">they are drawn into the coral dreams. This doesn't actually mean anything.>the priest who has a c-drive stuffed into his chestThe show implied that he fused with that while in The Great Wall with Sakuya. It certainly doesn't actually explain why he can do anything special with it. I shouldn't have to remind you that c-drives are also "just batteries" (when they're in non-plot-important machines), which you need to power your otherwise run-of-the-mill motorcycle. The compact drives as a whole are yet another "makes no sense when you think about it for 2 seconds" aspect of the setting. Could humanity have ever functioned in space without them if you need them to run motorcycles?
>>23745042>But why? And how? He made a magic supercore addon for a machine that no one could pilot, when they had other LFOs that other people -could- pilot. It's exceedingly convenient and has no proper explanation.How did minovsky build the first magic particle reactor? He just did, eventually in any line of questioning you reach a point where you simply have to accept things.>I didn't assume that.Sorry if this was unclear, but you are in that you claim that making the amita is equivalent to being able to mass produce salt alchemising bombs.>This is not stated in the show and the timeline I referenced earlier, from the wikiYou should watch the show.The show gives us the sages deciding to release Dewey, while they voice concerns about how radical it is. Dewey himself doesnt seem to have any particularly radical beliefs other than self destruction so it would follow that his problematic beliefs stemming from the ageha report are the core of this.>You seem to be conflating eventsNot really? The military is the same entity in both scenarios, if you can steal an entire warship you can probably clip something the size of a cookie>Could humanity have ever functioned in space without them if you need them to run motorcycles?They dont work in space, they are employed because its free energy from coral dream magic. Why the hell wouldnt you use free energy?>"I die and the planet kills itself" was apparently his plan with thatHow'd that go for him again>This doesn't actually mean anything.I'm sorry you couldnt parse the show through the wiki. You may not have enjoyed the show but aside from stylistic choices or the members of gekkostate being mental children all of these things are shown(not told) for you.The show being about renton and eureka, not these points you bring up is sufficient reason to not explore every 'what-if' and leaving it for the viewer to decide.
>>23745064>you reach a point where you simply have to accept thingsTrue enough, but timeline matters. In Gundam, the particles are discovered some 50 years after humans started colonizing space and they're refined for use over 20 years... by space-colonizing wayfarers.In E7, humans discover alien skeletons in the ground (after living on that ground for 3000 years, apparently?) and in four years, one random guy grants one (1) of these skeletons the ability to nuke areas by having emotional resonance with "some random girl they found next to that skeleton." The situations are not anywhere close to equal.>you claim that making the amita is equivalent to being able to mass produce salt alchemising bombsWhy not? It goes off... four(?) times during the show, does it not?>You should watch the show.You should blow that out your ass. They have that discussion in episode 2 or whatever. Dewey doesn't demonstrate that he wants to kill the universe until episode 50. Trying to tie some cause/effect to this is the height of retroactive continuity. The fandom (the wiki) doesn't even agree with your interpretation!>if you can steal an entire warship That's the thing - we don't know WHO stole the Amita drive. Was it Holland? When? Why? Why would he separate the drive from the Nirvash and then steal the Nirvash to retrieve the drive he stole? These cross the line from "events that happen in the plot" to "events that happen so the plot can happen." I don't like to just turn my brain off - my brain is on and it has the questions and the show never answers them.>They dont work in spaceThe 303 doesn't have a compact drive? >Why the hell wouldnt you use free energy?Because it's magic and a severe unknown.>How'd that go for him againNot well, which was my I asked about it at the start of the thread. He should have known he was setting himself up for failure, so what was his actual goal?
>>23744997I don't agree, it has the exact same problem of never really elaborating on the actual cool parts of the show. To its credit though, it at least has a way better cast, mecha that feel actually distinct from one another, and no retarded pretentious teenage girl narration
