Go back to twitter retard.

>>23748876
I think Quess actually fits this a lot better desu. That's a character with almost undeniably good writing that still catches far too much hate.
I don't have like a frothing hatred of Nina or anything but she is objectively poorly written at certain points in the show. For example, it's a big thing for her at one time that she's quitting Anaheim, she has everything ready to resign, and then that subplot just disappears into thin air. You can make up headcanon reasons as to why, but it really just doesn't get resolved. This whole subplot starts and ends long after she starts feeling attracted to Kou so it's not like that can explain it.

>>23748876
I like her, but she's just a worse Reccoa. Everyone in 0083 is a fuck up, she's not unique in that case at all.

>>23748899
She has this subplot because she sees the insanity of people on both sides thanks to this project. And she drops it because her best friend tries to move in when she's trying to exit and then fucking dies in yet another insane display of senseless violence so now she feels an even greater guilt that she can't abandon it.

She was just a stick in the mud just like pretty much every character in that OVA besides Keith and his amazon wife.

I still don't understand how her and Gato's relationship was supposed to fit in the timeline when this dude didn't have an off switch and was literally living every waking moment for revenge.
It's not like she knew a Gato BEFORE he was a jaded Zeon extremist. And I have my doubts it would ever be something he'd be willing to hide about himself.

>>23748876
Many such cases. Their ethics too. I honestly believe most Gundam fans are terrible people that deserve no happiness in life.

>>23748999
Well don't leave all the juicy stuff to vagueposting. Let's hear your experiences and opinions.

I understand if you said that about certain characters but there's barely any meat on Nina's bones, regarding her character, by the time this happens. Her soap opera twist with Gato is pretty much the most significant thing about her.

>>23749058
>Katz
>Hathaway
>Quess
>Nina
>Flay
just off the top of my head, if you outright hate and despise these characters I'm certain you're a bad person. It's fine to just dislike them or not care about them but that ain't what people do

>>23749088
>Katz
Katz was a fucking idiot throughout Zeta and ultimately contributed nothing save for replacing Kamille and Fa as the AEUG's whipping boy after the latter two gained character development.

>Hathaway
Hathaway is basically Katz done better. I don't hate him at all.

>Quess
She was written to have a tragic end. I don't pity her, but I also don't hate her.

>Nina
The writers didn't know what to do with her. There is no defending this one.

>Flay
Probably the best example of OP's original point in this thread. She does things that make the viewer hate her, but then gets swept up in the conflict in a very tragic way for that perfect tonal whiplash.

>>23749088
>if you outright hate and despise these characters I'm certain you're a bad person.
Anon...Fictional characters aren't real people. It's okay to hate them.

>>23749066
Then why do people feel the need to actually lie about what she’s guilty of

>>23749116
Homie Katz saves Kamille’s life 6 times

>>23748999
>>23749116
this, most gundamfags are retarded and devoid of empathy. They hate on teenage characters as if good portion of UC isn't just about how much adults fucking suck and ruin things.

>>23749127
What are you talking about?

>>23749159
Dawg, NTA but 90% of Nina discussions about how she’s a mass murderer who helped drop the colony. Which never happened

>>23749161
... Uh. Yeah. It didn't. And I didn't see it mentioned in this thread.
I assumed OP was referring to the last minute twist with Gato being her ex. Which was not a very believable twist.

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>>23748876
What is there to talk about, she pointed a gun at a EFSF officer, and assisted a terrorist in escaping. I am pretty sure that is breaking a few EF laws in the Gundam universe.

In Minnesota, she would have been shot multiple times the minute she pointed a gun at an officer.

>>23749144
>most gundamfags are retarded and devoid of empathy.
Most of it stems from edgelords that never outgrew rooting for the empire.

>>23749144
>most gundamfags are retarded and devoid of empathy
Anime in general attracts people with the 'tism who struggle with stuff like 'people lie', or 'people make bad choices'

>>23749088
>>23749116
>hated Quess as a kid but turns out she's fine, not even the most baffling kid or female in Gundam
>hated Flay initially but cared about her a lot by the end, probably one of the Gundam girls who get the most development
>Hathaway's just ok, have to go through his later stories
>should rewatch 0083
But then there's Katz.
>fucking Katz
>he's a genuinely good pilot who bailed out Amuro and Kamille a few times
>but he's also a fucking stupid teenager
>dies arguably to an asteroid and himself more than he died to Yazan
>a good foil to Kamille and shows us and him how much he's grown and what happens if you do not grow or learn or listen
I appreciate Katz as a character but I dislike him, he was incredulously and obstinately annoying

>>23748876
I've said this before and I'll say it again. She works for Anaheim so of course she would be playing both sides.

>media literacy
only 10 IQ subhumans say shit like this

>>23749088
I like/feel bad for the first 3.
Katz being a pilot who had the potential to become as skilled as Amuro or Char had multiple moments where he saved other important characters but had a constant brat streak that no one actually helped him grow out of he had none of the moments Amuro had that caused him to grow as a pilot and has cut down too soon.

Hathaway in CCA is a kid who's way over his head but means well and tries to do his best and his progression into Mafty in his own movies is great, he's still in over his head and will never compare to the greats of the past era's but he's still following his moral compass and doing what he can to try and help people, he doesn't succeed in the end because he is not on par with the greats of the past despite how hard he tries and you can feel that aching fear in everything he does.

Quess is just a tragic character who everyone ignores the problems of except for one person she was refusing to give the time of day. She spends the whole movie obsessing over powerful newtypes since she feels her connection with them as something that will finally give her a person who can understand her but despite them being newtypes they're completely unwilling to give her the light of day. The fact her final scene is her finally gaining a connection with someone who is willing to understand her and meet her emotional needs only to need to sacrifice herself to save him.

They're all characters who missed the boat so to say who if they were born earlier could have been great people who changed the world but were born at the wrong time and it's tragic to see them be squandered by their seniors. Hataway and Quess especially after what happened to Katz.

>>23749226
>In Minnesota
Keep your fascist dystopias to yourself, we are talking about the EFF here

>>23749238
Judging by the shit you say, I think you're a massive faggot.

>>23749238
>It reflects your personal beliefs and intelligence and you should be judged for it.
Go back to tumblr idiot.

>>23749302
>>23749397
Case in point, really.

>>23748876
>writer writes a character specifically to be hated
>people hate her
>"m-muh reddit-certified degree in m-m-media literacy!"
I don't get it. What's the surprise here?

I'm baffled if anyone said they like Quess, that they feel bad for her and still defend Char from the pedo label at the same time
>"uh uh uh Char NOT a pedo because he didn't rape Quess, he only manipulated her!"
Out of fucking any character. He didn't touch Quess simply because Quess's personality didn't suit his fetish and Nanai already milked him too dry to care

>>23749518
You are too stupid that deserve human rights.

>>23749522
Someone with psychological profile like Char will definitely molest kid once conditions align, don't be a retard

>>23749518
Char's just continuing the cycle after all he was molested as a child by Kycilia.

>>23749518
>non-sexual manipulation = pedo!!!!!111111
Huh?

>>23749561
If you keep thinking black and white like this then you'll never become a true Newtype

>>23749116
>Katz
As far as I understood Katz he was a naive boy who thought he could become like Amuro and took war too lightly and that resulted in his death.
A boy that never grew up.
>Quests
A lonely child who wanted attention and fatherly love because her dad cared more about politics and mistresses. Quess sought attention from good looking men like most fatherless women.
>Nina
A woman obsessed with fixing the Chad who rejected her and she can't love Kou because he's not Gato.

>>23748876
>>23749088
Not this retardation again. A character might be well written but it doesn't mean you are supposed to like them.

>>23749518
The only actual reason to even suspect Char of pedophilia is that it's a common rumour among Neo Zeon and Nanai even directly says she thought he had grown out of preferring girls like Quess, implying it has happened before.
Nothing he says or does ON SCREEN suggests attraction to underaged girls, we just have that secondhand account.
The real question is if Char has ever genuinely loved anyone. He may not be capable of it.

>>23750028
Didn't he love Lalah

>>23750031
Not while she was alive. It was pretty transparently that she was a useful soldier to have around, and playing the part of her lover made it easier to keep her fighting. Only after she dies does Char seem to experience actual human affection for her beyond going through the motions as required.
What Char truly mourns is probably not Lalah herself, but the possibility for a Newtype-enabled peaceful future for humanity that she represents to him.
The best candidate is Mineva. The fact that Char at no point attempts to use Mineva as a political tool evidences that he actually does care about her. He also wrecks AEUG's diplomatic mission to Axis solely because he's disgusted with how Haman is using Mineva. Clearly this is not at all romantic, but I think it's a kind of love.

I think one big one is Char. I swear people who dogpile on him literally watched only CCA (why) and nothing else. After Z and ZZ, I can understand going "fuck it nuke it down". Shit people are hypocrites since people today even wish for a meteor to just give us divine retribution for what the fuck is happening in today's world.
>>23749088
I didn't mind any of them but Nina. and it's more on what this guy says >>23749116

>>23750019
don't bother, anon. anyone using the term "media literacy" is by default unable to understand simple things like this

>>23750038
Char
>forced to grow up since young because his parents died
>emotionally immature and emotional parasite
>barely related to his adult gfs, couldn't reciprocate the efforts his women asked of him in relationship
>liked being around young people and their attitude (Lalah, Kamille, young Haman, Minerva) since children are "pure" and honest, children don't deceive like adults
>canonically exploited a child to do job meant for adults
>romantic and maternal ideal is a teenage girl who already died years ago before she became an adult
>vulnerable narcissism
>socially and politically powerful, means that he could cover his potential petty crimes if he ever did something
YWNBAN

And Tomino said something in one interview that Char might torment and molest Minerva if she appeared in CCA, leading to Tomino not allow Minerva in CCA since her appearance will derail the focus between Char and Amuro's rivalry, and Tomino himself was uncomfortable with the idea

>>23750038
Lalah is in Chars subconscious.
>“Lalah! This is what it means for someone to be free!”
>After realizing that he had once again blurted out Lalah’s name, Char drew his
mouth back into a frown. Under normal circumstances he’d forgotten about Lalah Sune, his former lover. Or rather, the woman he had used. And yet, whenever he talked to himself her name would occasionally end up spilling out. It was a habit that had nothing to do with Char’s active thoughts. He didn’t think about her in his surface-level consciousness. But the less he was aware of her, the more likely it was that she would appear during his soliloquizing. It was like her name was a curse cast on his lips.
>Whenever it came out, he could only accept it as his usual idiosyncrasy. In the past he
had deliberately tried to force himself to stop, but with no success. It truly was a curse.

>>23750158
>YWNBAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB8KPk8jg_8

>>23748876
a person saying "media literacy" without any irony reveals they should be raped by rabid baboons

>>23749088
Crazy how just being a good person sets people off like this

>teehee weewee I have to love everyone, or else

>>23750261
Nothing worse than a righteous psycho who thinks they're a "good person"

>>23749088
>Katz
He is retarded and kinda annoying but I didn't see hate for him
>Hathaway
Mostly got hate for killing Chan from what I saw. Fixed in the manga.

>>23750276
Characters like Katejina, Haman, and Nena have their fans because the show's writers clearly acknowledge them as wrong and evil. So it's just good fun to root for them to do something exciting while knowing they are evil. Bask and Yazan are comparable in this respect.
The likes of Reccoa and Nina attract more contempt because the writing implies they are supposed to be not just sympathetic, but actually justified. Many people misread Gato this way as well, not helped by certain comments, but I think if you stick to what's actually in the OVA he is clearly depicted as wrong and unjust. Suzaku from Code Geass is hated for similar reasons, to borrow from a different series. It's not cool if the writing insists that they have a point, only if they're nakedly evil.

>>23750308
>Reccoa
>writing implies they are supposed to be not just sympathetic, but actually justified
everybody, including herself, and their mother (except scirocco) calls out her balooney.

>>23750308
>The likes of Reccoa and Nina attract more contempt because the writing implies they are supposed to be not just sympathetic, but actually justified.
But even Reccoa's conflicted and frustrated, I took her to be something sympathetic and like, not necessarily justified but that it makes sense why she did what she did, in the context of Char as well as Paptimus. Like, the most polite way of telling a Gundam character that she's having a Gundam woman moment.

>>23749144
The Jen/GhostQ79 troll really likes to throw wankbait about characters all because she hates Zeta and especially those like Beltorchika who existed to cuck AmuFraw and AmuSayla. Don't spend too much time trying to decode the crazy.

>>23749088
I "hate" these characters because I understand them
>Katz
Is an earnest person who wants to contribute to something bigger themselves. Admirable but the hate comes from the fact that he comes off like he wants to be the next Amuro, but not the man the idea, so his admirable trait becomes more selfish, and others suffer from it. This all builds resentment because he knows Amuro he's seen the result of that life and he chases it willingly. At best he is worthy of pity.
>Hathaway
Pretty much the same as above his character past CCA is more agreeable because how they play into it and also because the whole theme of him at that point is something of a ghost of a fading star.
>Quess
Is just sad, she's pathetic and the hate is more from just her foolishness but that's the characters whole point. She the person who is being led along as a tool because she has a feeling that she trust but doesn't understand and those feeling are being manipulated. Her being a newtype also plays into it rather well because again she can understand others but can't understand herself or understand that others hearts can also be deceptive.
>Nina
>>23748920
This anon makes a good reasoning for her here. But at the same time the hate comes just from stardust pacing and writing issues, she suffers from just whiplash in motive and circumstance drama. If it was all planned this way it's bad, if not its still bad and suffers. I can see her guilt and heart being torn between her ideals and feelings but she just doesn't commit to anything. Its annoying, extra so because we are allowed info that exist only between the character and the audience and that wasn't communicated well.
>Flay
I don't hate flay, she's awful but I understand her motives she's a tragedy. She hates herself and hates others around her and has constant conflict about her emotions. Her character is forward and front, I say this also as someone who does not like seed. The "hate" is understandable but part of the character.

>>23749459
Yep, we know you're a faggot, no need to keep proving it.

>>23750308
Reccoa's actions are not justified. Even she knows this and wishes that Kamille would stop her.

Reccoa is sympathetic once you realize she was always suicidal and her entire sense of self-worth came from her superiors. The issue is that most viewers take her at face value when she claims to have defected because she's happier as a woman committing awful war crimes for Sirocco.

Nina on the other hand is unsalvageable. Her romance with Gato comes out of nowhere and seems like cheap drama. The way she gets in the middle gets a lot of people needlessly killed and she doesn't even have an excuse for it, her actions are irrational and selfish.

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>>23750158
>vulnerable narcissism
Could you explain this more, generally with him and narcissism in general, people just talk about the regular kind where you think you're better than people and want to control everyone, whereas Char never came across as intentionally doing that before CCA

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>>23752250
Vulnerable or covert narcissism is overdosing on victim mode. "I have no other choice, I'm the only one who has to do it", "It's the world's fault for not changing (the way I want)", "You took my mommy (who I brought to battlefield in the first place)" etcetera. The source of validation for this type of narcissist is people's empathy. Think, why Char easily fished women both in fiction and real life? He triggered women's natural "I can fix him" instinct and took advantage of that. Best thing is he wasn't lying when he showed those women his vulnerable side, but he weaponized his own weakness. When he couldn't extract resources like a parasite anymore, he just went ahead and shrugged them off. I think back about Haman and why she could never get over Char and I suddenly understand (idc about CDA). She became so cold and bitter about Char hint that Char exploited her emotionally. She used to be young, she used to be kind, innocent and genuinely wanted to help Char so she sacrificed part of herself just for him, but Char still abandoned her anyway. And he had the audacity to judge her when they met again.

>>23749088
My only regret is I didn't kill Katz myself.

>>23748899
>>23748909
Both these. I think Tomino is generally pretty good at writing women. He's clearly interested in how they think, despite the blatant mysoginy resulting from his own conclusions. But he's seeing them as people (albeit stupid and evil sometimes), while most anime writers simply put them there to look nice and move the plot forward by serving as love interests. Tomino also thinks about sex as something that moves human relationships forward, even in war times, as it happens for Reccoa. I have a lot of respect for this deranged autist.

>>23752329
>misoginy
It's baffling to me when people accuse him of misoginy. Not only do his works contain several examples of women who are extremely intelligent and capable (which was rare back then), he usually refrains from needless sexualizing and fanservice (which was very common back then) and the things he does add (female characters that make seemingly irrational choices out of emotional outbursts, sexuality or self-interest) are also very common in women's literature.

>>23752678
I'd read what were made by female authors if I want to see complex or authentic female characters. I don't go look for that in a man who was projecting his anima in public
>It's baffling to me when people accuse him of misoginy
Then their gut feeling is working as it should

>>23751115
>set up as early as ep 6, before the director change
>out of nowhere

>>23752698
I'll rephrase my post: his works do not show hatred, disdain or prejudice against women. If making unlikeable female characters is "misoginistic" then every single shoujo mamgaka is misoginistic and so would be a good chunk of female authors.

>>23752716
>Never comes up before that when it’s very relevant. Episode 6 doesn’t make it seem like she’s a former lover to a space nazi.

Give it up, bro.

>>23753020
It's not just about likability. I tell you this, insane women created by women still have writing and mindset only female brain would think like that. Tomino tried, I give him a pass since he was working through his issues at the time but it's not that hard to clock out those are females under a male author. Do you think a woman writer is good if her most controversial and focused male characters are either rapist, cheater, family destroyer, porn addict, tranny envies of femininity...? Average man on 4chan would call her a seething roastie. The crowd with collective intuition generally sense the disturbance with people like Tomino and they react according to their intuition, that's that

>>23753146
Sorry, you're not allowed to comment on the mindset of Japanese men born in the 40s unless you're a Japanese man born in the 40s. You couldn't possibly understand them.

>>23752310
>he weaponized his own weakness. When he couldn't extract resources like a parasite anymore, he just went ahead and shrugged them off
Hm, but it does feel like he legitimately cared or cares about (some) people though, but I could not tell you why he didn't even do the simple kindness of visiting Reccoa

>>23753321
I assume Char doesn't have good impression on anyone mirroring his negative traits

>>23753399
Wait why/how is that Reccoa
Or even the two dopey children he wanted on the Argama and then just handed off to Fa

>>23753607
Reccoa is dead inside and wanted to depend on a man, like Char wanted to depend on a woman who could be his mother
Haman reminds Char of how filthy of an adult he is when she grew up, cold and used people like him
Gyunei reminds Char of his own envy of better man than him in romantic/maternal pursue (Char for Gyunei, Amuro for Char). If they could defeat that "alpha male", they'll become the superior man
You get the idea with Quess

>>23753623
>Reccoa is dead inside and wanted to depend on a man, like Char wanted to depend on a woman who could be his mother
Damn it.
I sort of get Haman but I didn't even think about Gyunei.
I'm still wracking my head about
>>23750038
>>23750177
because I think you would have had to love someone to be absolutely crippled by this for the rest of your life. I think the unconditional acceptance and affirmation - that he probably doesn't think he deserves - was a genuine solace for him that he lost forever. And then imo in CCA it was just
>I'm a horrible person (and no one can accept me) and Lalah died
>so it must have been because I was using her as a tool (rather than it just being a tragedy of war, or at least the consequence of recruiting a child soldier)
>surely I didn't care about her (because thinking about that hurts, I don't want to accept any of this)
>I guess I'm just a villain now (Amuro please stop me)
>this child reminds me of Lalah, I guess I the villain should use her just like I did Lalah because this is the only way I can function at this point
>fuck caring about people (I miss Kamille) but I also never checked up on him for some reason, to hear that he got better)

>>23753146
>Do you think a woman writer is good if her most controversial and focused male characters are either rapist, cheater, family destroyer, porn addict, tranny envies of femininity...?
Tomino's most focused male characters are all wreck though: Char is a walking ball of mental issues with pedophilic tendencies and blatant mommy issues, Amuro also has mommy issues and an arrested emotional development, Bright is a homewrecker and a cheater, Kamille is extremely insecure about his masculinity, Katz and Hathaway are retards whose only motivation is "pussy", etc.

The only emotionally stable and well-adjusted characters he made are Judau and maybe Roux. And Judau is a siscon so it doesn't entirely fit.

What I'm trying to say is that all of his characters are a mess. It's not just the female characters, nor are the female characters worse than the male ones. I'd argue that Katz is far worse than Reccoa.
>Average man on 4chan would call her a seething roastie
The opinions of terminally online losers is irrelevant. If Stardust Memory came out today they would bash it as "woke" because Nina steals the protagonism and the main character is emasculated.

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Half-tempted to rewatch 0083 and just turn off the subtitles at some point or just pretend Nina and Gato were long lost siblings, but maybe actually having properly watched Zeta and CCA she won't even be that fucking bad as far as Gundam women go. It's a very beautiful OVA with a ton of fun mobile suit designs.
>>23753645
>What I'm trying to say is that all of his characters are a mess.
It's like picrel except we're all going "wow war is bad" and "people are broken/people suck ass lmao" is going over our heads, with the poor robots neglected and ignored in the corner
>I'd argue that Katz is far worse than Reccoa.
Fuck that guy, at least Reccoa was just as confused as we were, and therefore a bit more sympathetic, whereas Katz was stubborn and overconfident to the very end.

>>23753643
I just think Char is a selfish person fundamentally. That is to say, he's not able to value other humans as highly as he values himself. Whenever he seeks to do good, it's never that he is thinking of someone he wants to help or protect, it's that he is envisaging this conceptual "greater good of humanity" that he is fighting for. Amuro by contrast always ties his good deeds to someone he is fighting for, always thinking of the individual human lives at stake, not a theoretical mass of humanity. At first he is basically fighting for his life, but eventually he fights for the White Base crew that have become his second family. Then throughout Zeta and CCA he always keeps the human lives he's protecting at the forefront of his motivation. That's why he isn't already fighting at the start of Zeta, it has no personal connection to him. He's sincerely willing to offer up his life in CCA to save a nobody like Kayra. At a glance you might say Char has greater ideals, but it's psychopathic to want to save "humanity" but not any particular human. This is why I say Char dealing with Mineva is Char at his most "good".
Personally I don't really buy that what happened to Kamille is particularly psychologically important to Char. If it was, wouldn't he have learned of Kamille's recovery later? Wouldn't he keep tabs? Fa cared enough to nurse Kamille when it legitimately seemed like he was going to be a vegetable for life. Are we really saying Char cared enough about Kamille to be driven to destroying Earth, but didn't care enough to find out how he was doing in the seven years or whatever it is between ZZ and CCA? No. The symbolic meaning of the wrecked Hyaku Shiki with the cockpit left open at the end is clear - Char has emerged from his chrysalis and has left "Quattro Bajeena" behind forever, and there's probably nothing anyone else could do to bring him back, because he was never doing it for anyone else in the first place.

>>23753645
>And Judau is a siscon
Oh my god this guy cares about his little sibling, it's literally a sister complex.

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Honestly, with the kind of vitriol that gets sent Nina's way, justified or otherwise... I feel like Romary was way, WAY worse as a character. Mostly because she was military personnel aboard the Diva as one of their Communications Officers and not a civilian like Nina was. With Nina you can't really be too mad at her because she'd been on the edge of a breakdown for a majority of the latter half of 0083, and as a civilian with whatever kind of bullshit legal team Anaheim Electronics would have at their disposal, she's not really going to face the kind of punishment someone like Romary should have faced for preventing Asemu from putting a couple of bullets between Zeheart's eyes when he had the chance. Like... at MINIMUM, she'd have been facing a court martial, if not outright treason charges, but nah, they just let her exit the plot at Tordia instead.

>>23753679
She literally didn't do anything bad

>>23753707
Not in like... a narrative sense, maybe, but strictly speaking, preventing someone from shooting a high profile enemy commander dead or at least capturing them is easily grounds for a court martial or worse. Nina's shenanigans could be waved away legally with her civilian status and employment with Anaheim Electronics as deciding factors, to say nothing of her involvement with the Gundam Project, but Romary has absolutely none of those safety nets.

>>23753666
'Siscon' doesn't necessarily imply that the wants to fuck his sister. It means that he is emotionally attached to her which is perfectly normal considering he has to take care of her.

>>23753650
And with beautiful music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB8TFMAWhpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh-9Qk8DZG0

>>23753679
Go back to bed Flit.

>>23753113
>anaheim girls talk about her breakups
>she fucking knows Kelly and he knows her
>they openly yell about Gato

>>23748899
>That's a character with almost undeniably good writing
lmao

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The worst thing about nina is that I'm supposed to believe she's actually in a relationship with kou when neither of them ever have a genuine heartfelt moment together, they barely have any chemistry beyond being mobile suit fuckers
Kou's one and a half episodes with kelly showed more depth of character and relationship then the entire series with nina

>>23753660
>he's not able to value other humans as highly as he values himself
Isn't this normal/average
>Amuro by contrast always ties his good deeds to someone he is fighting for
>then he joins Karaba late
>whereas Char's fighting from the get-go for muh humanity
Doesn't that make Char a bit more good or commendable in this case, or is this an overfocus on results?
>but it's psychopathic to want to save "humanity" but not any particular human. This is why I say Char dealing with Mineva is Char at his most "good".
Yeah... I think the only other person it looked like he cared so strongly about was Kamille, also dropping Axis where Sayla is (granted he might have not known where she was) was a bit fucked up, but he might have been too broken at that point.
>If it was, wouldn't he have learned of Kamille's recovery later? Wouldn't he keep tabs?
Yeah, this part's baffling too, but it also seemed in-character of him to worry but hand off the actual work to someone else, like with the kids he brought on board to the Argama.
>Char has emerged from his chrysalis and has left "Quattro Bajeena" behind forever
But then I can't think of a reasonable explanation he'd do a 180 other than people saying that he might have suffered oxygen deprivation in the cockpit. I love the guy but he's sometimes difficult to understand, or at least it's nuanced enough that there's various available interpretations

>>23748876
I can even feel the 1pbtid

>>23748876
I'm going to need to watch Stardust Memory again because after seeing it I didn't understand the amount of flack nina got, she wasn't an active detriment to my enjoyment of the show like she apparently was for a lot of people

>>23749518
Shut the fuck up Gyunei

>>23754209
It's possible you were distracted by the GM Cannon II instead. This is the correct approach.

>>23754233
>flack
>cannon
It checks out

I think a lot of people confuse hating a character as if they were a real person with hating a character for being poorly written. A character making bad decisions or being canonically stupid doesn't make them a bad character, unless their actions seems contrived or just don't work well with the story being told.

>>23754221
Gyunei is the nicest one to Quess in Neo Zeon, which isn't too hard since adults either ignore her tantrum or manipulate her

>>23748876
Her and Reccoa are some of the most realistic depictions of women in any anime I've ever seen.

>>23754370
Do you at least clean your basement, chud?

>>23754381
Feel free to prove me wrong anytime, but the only show that comes somewhat close to them is Evangelion.
Tomino just knows what he's doing.

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I saw one anon point out that Emma Sheen is one of the most consistently level-headed characters in the show who's position is usually "do you not realize we are in a war", I think she's worth mentioning as a surprisingly reliable and stable character and woman

>>23755088
>level-headed, reliable and stable
>woman
This is the most unrealistic character Tomino has ever written.

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>>23755494
And as punishment, they killed her...

>>23755518
Thank god Emma got killed.

>>23755519
No, I won't do that

>>23748876
Media literacy is a made up concept really.

>>23755541
You will do that.

>>23755494
Shut up faggot.

>>23753917
Man and woman hormones chemistry psychological transference thing, bro

>>23753719
Caring for a sister is not a "SISTER COMPLEX" pathology

>>23762087
>t. woman

>>23749088
Anon, I really don't care what a faceless nobody like you will think of me when I say that Katz was a fucking retard who only existed so he could die miserably like one.

>>23748876
My experience with people who unironically use terms like "media literacy" tells me you're a fucking moron and don't deserve a honest response.

>>23748876
After that, I don't think I even want to jack off to her anymore...
Just kidding but seriously, I understand not wanting Gato to die, but pointing a gun at Kou? That genuinely seems like some kind of mental illness.
Also I didn't understand parts of the ending, but that's probably because I haven't watched Zeta, so that's on me.

>>23753146
>he's misogynistic because i FEEL like it!
Do you even read what you post

>>23766650
Why the fuck are you like this? You watch a franchise with autists turning into space psychics who can sense enemy's intent before they even act

>>23766821
>its fantasy so i dont have to back my shit up!
i imagine you're wrong then

>>23766836
Fantasy is reflection of reality
I'm still right anyway because I'm a newtype

>>23766854
I'm also a newtype so you're wrong

>>23749088
>quess
>nina
>flay
there's one thing in common, they are irredeemable whores

>>23766877
Flay did nothing wrong.

>>23753650
Since when do mega particle beams have ballistic trajectories?

>>23754209
>flack
>c

>>23754209
It's because of one scene at the end.

>>23768752
They're gravity beams

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Bitch needed to get shot. Worst sub plot and twist in a good mecha for the sake of making a love triangle twist. Bitch is so dicknotized by her Chad ex she'll be cool with him destroying her Gundam's, Killing her friends, both sides, almost fucking up Earth again, and she still cuck's lead protagonist. Thank God the Animation is peak. That bullshit almost ruined the whole 0083.