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Grade Kamen Rider Dawn's aesthetics.
>>23754200It looks a bit too plain, even for Zeztz standards.
Third for fuck A.I.slop and fuck Duel.
>>23754200I like the general shape of the suit and the helmet but his patterns and grey tone makes him look forgettable, personally the worst main form of a rider/rival in Zeztz so far
How do we fix Zeztz?
>>23754200I really hope Zeztz eventually namedrops the Kamen Rider moniker in the show itself because so far Dawn and Nox have nothing to differentiate them from the Lords aside from being more advanced
https://twitter.com/agito_movie/status/2023517747112800523
https://twitter.com/oricon/status/2023517750891893242The additional cast members.
Alright, so I've skimmed ahead on the Tojima manga but I can't find above chapter 48, so if anyone has it up to date it would be appreciated.From the looks of it, the Kaijin keep piling up but they aren't truly defeated like they are in the "normal" Rider shows, at most they just get humiliated but still remain active participants in the story. I get that like the regular Shocker members, they're likely just normal people who have been brainwashed and then mutated so they're probably not inherently evil in this story, but it's still rather odd to see what were just monsters of the week stick around like this. It almost feels like this weird spoof manga takes its villains and story more seriously than the actual Rider shows.
>>23754228>>23754229>female RiderRuined.
>>23754228I thought this was AI for a second
>>23754228>>23754229>new female rider meant to replace an existing tertiary rider in a movie written by InoueHmmm.....
>>23754228>>23754229>Yuchami will be making her film debut as a main cast member. She will play police officer Ruriko Aoi, an active member of the Metropolitan Police Department's Special Armed Unit for Unidentified Lifeform Countermeasures, commonly known as the G Unit. The G Unit is the unit to which police officer Makoto Hikawa (played by Jun Kaname) once belonged, wearing the special reinforced armor G3. Carrying on that legacy, Ruriko Aoi dons the latest special reinforced armor G6 and, as Kamen Rider G6, confronts the malicious rampage of psychics.
>>23754235>Additional cast members have also been announced to brighten up the film. The four psychics who plunge the city into chaos are: Hiroaki Iwanaga (Kamen Rider OOO) as Rouge, Suzunosuke (Saint Love Survivors) as Kito, Kokoro Aoshima (Kamen Rider Geats) as Shibukawa, and Satoshi Kaneda (Hannya). Additionally, Imai Yuki ("Wings of a Tiger") plays Kurotani, a psychic who cooperates with the G Unit; Komakine Ryusuke ("The Blonde") plays Oyama, an inmate at the prison where Hikawa is incarcerated; and Becky ("Berabou: Tsutaju Eika no Yumebanashi") plays Kasumi, Hojo's (Yamazaki Jun) ex-fiancée, adding color to the story.
>>23754263They got Date-san and Tsumuri for this? Neat.
>>23754258I thought it was a cosplay.
>>23754225By firing Takahashi.
Title should have been G-Unit: Psychic War
>>23754228Kamen Rider G3: Down Syndrome ver.
>>23754228>>23754229So it's just Paradise Regained all over again then
>>23754254>he doesn't know what inoue does to female riders
>>23754260Nah, a Gills replacement wouldn't be a cop in G3 based armor.
>>23754285G6 looks kind of like a robotic Gills.
Fuck this thread and go back here:(>>23754117>>23754117>>23754117
>>23754023gotchard is a shit show, at least baku is good at acting
>>23754229176cm tall nice
>>23754291Kys
>>23754200>purple rival in a Takahashi showOh boy, can't wait for him to suck screentime and focus away from everyone else to their detriment.
>>23754307Two purple rivals actually, don't forget Lord Three will be active even when Dawn debuts
>>23754228>G6>25 years and they only got to the 6th Iteration.These guys are fucking hacks.
>>23754260and portrayed by gravure idol too
>>23754307Giving some outside of Baku some character would actually be an improvement for this show.
Can we all just forget Shartvice existed?
>>23754339Noone even brought up Revice, are you ok?
>>23754260>>23754326Delta was in Paradise Regained
>>23754345Gills will be in the new movie too, technically
>>23754345And where the fuck is Mihara, anon?
>>23754347Paradise Regained is a cash grab made to prevent Kento Handa from getting murdered by loan sharks
We're almost at the halfway point, how do you feel about Zeztz so far?
>>23754302Retard, that thread was made before yours. Know the rule, motherfucker.
>>237543727/10 so far, the show hasn't done anything offensive and there hasn't been a single bad episode but the show hasn't been particularly standout overall. Only episodes that wow'd me were the first 3, Inazuma's debut and the last one, it does feel like the story is picking up now but the lack of Nox's pov to make his crypticness more believe and the cast not getting interact each as much as one would like due to the way the cases are structured are still dragging the show.I really wish they had gotten Sanjo or something to write the show, I like Takahashi but he's really bad when he's asked to slow down, the idea the producer had for the first half being slower without major plot developments could have worked extremely well with a writer experienced in cases of the week but ultimately that kind of tactic just doesn't fit Takahashi.
>>23754372It's not the worse, but absolutely the most "nothing" of takahashi show.
>>23754372Had the weakest Q1 that Takahashi has ever done but still not bad, Q2 is a noticeable improvement but still not amazing. So far I kinda have a similar feeling as to how I felt with Drive, only I felt that Zeztz's Q1 wasn't as bad but Zeztz's villains aren't grabbing me like the Roidmudes did.
>>23754377You're a shitposter, your OP is low effort trash, and your thread is shit, so it deserves to be marginalized as per the site's unspoken rules.
>>23754372The structure and direction reminds me of the Megamax trio which is good, I had similar feel with GavvHowever it has the same issue as Zero-One where there aren't many slice of life moments for the cast, which likeable on their own, to build up relationships with each other which makes them misused, only this time it's more noticeable than Zero-One because of the lack of plot progressionSo far it's just "good", not great but still above average
>>23754228The helmet looks a bit off.
>>23754384>shitposterRetard, i don't even make that thread but you acting like it's the end of the world or something and told people not to post there, like who tf are youGrow up ffs or cure your autism idgaf
>>23754393>ESLniggerOpinion discarded.
>>23754393Zoomer newfag
>>23754372Easily Takahashi's worst show
>>23754291Imma post here so you seethe, A.Ifag
>>23754372It's not bad, but it's not very good either. Meh show so far.
>>23754372They should've introduced 5 and 6 earlier. Didn't expect them to make me like 5 as a character especially.
>>23754372Boring and directionless. We're almost at the halfway point and it still feels like almost nothing has happened.
>>23754372Takahashi's most mediocre season IMO. There still isn't any real hook that his shows usually have. His other shows are much highest concept.
>>23754235MY STEAMY ONSEN LOVEMAKING PARTNER!!!!
>>23754463Zeztz Giga Niggam.
>>23754285>>23754326>>23754345>>23754346Just a reminder, this is literally a retread of the AR Agito story in Decade all over again, this time with Hikawa becoming Gills and then Agito over the course of the movie. But don't expect G6 to survive to the end either.
>>23754480>But don't expect G6 to survive to the end either.No one expects this
>>23754228Really like the suit, wonder if Hikawa will get to use it in the movie >>23754229Who's the G3-X here?
>>23754480Feels more like the Agito story in Zi-O, but instead of many people turning into Another Agito, they just using their psychic powers for evil.
>>23754372Zeztz feels like it wants to be the OG, Kuuga, and Kabuto all at once but isn't going deep enough or fast enough to be any of the others. It isn't bad but just bland. At least Gavv had some balls and Geats had some momentum.
>>23754200Does he share the same belt as Dark Zeztz? I recall the Dark Zeztz Sofubi has the same belt design.
>>23754372Everything about Zeztz fighting Nightmares has been fun.Everything about NOX taking revenge on CODE has sucked. So very mixed bag so far, and I’m not sure they’re going to redeem it.
>>23754200They just made the show really boring by trying to appeal to white people
>>23754372Bland. Feels like it's the way it is because it was knowingly produced as the first internationally seen season truly.
What do western people actually like?
>>23754528Speaking of Kabuto, I really hope they announce the 20th anniversary movie soon. I'm surprised they haven't already.
>>23754463I hope he does the Bane backbreaker on Nox
>>23754372I don't feel anything about it. Bland, boring, pointless, and other synonyms for that. Unless this is the first Takahashi season where the second half is better than the first, this is probably going to end up the most nothingburger show he's worked on, which will be impressive considering Literally Fucking Nothing happened in Geats.
>>23754562Kuuga, Agito, Ryuki, 555, Blade, Kabuto, Den-O, Decade, W, OOO, Fourze, Gaim, Ex-Aid, Build, Zero-One, Geats, Shin Anno and GavvSo basically the same as here only remove Decade, Zero-One and Geats and instead add V3, Stronger, Skyrider, Drive and Saber
>>23754578It makes no sense to have two Rider movies announced on top of each other. They only will say anything about it afrer Agito is out.
>>23754199>>23754414AI are humanity's dream.
>>23754545>>23754559white people adored bland shit like ghost saber and gotchard yes
>>23754587I meant as in the attempt Zeztz is trying to do by appealing to westerners.
>Blaming the west instead of the hack writer
>>23754372I feel like it's getting interesting, but it's getting repetitive and frustrating that none of the mysteries from the beginning are resolved when we're at the halfway point. The whiplash of Baku learning something devastating and then dicking around with some random new guest every couple of episodes have been really annoying too. The characters don't really develop at all either: Baku is STILL hesitating on what he should do when he's "made up his mind" like three times already now, Nox is self explanatory, Nem is just there and part of that annoying status quo, Fujimi is genuinely retarded and useless, and Nasuka hardly has a personality. Baku's sister is the only sensible one and actually develops, all other interesting characters like Zero, Kureha, and Five are killed off. I do feel like once they're done resolving the Nox vs CODE bullshit with this godawful first half, it'll become more interesting since Nox shouldn't be an issue and hopefully get away from the boring as shit victim of the week stories. Three and Dawn should be shaking things up too so that should help. But the way the first HALF of the show was mishandled by Takahashi and the producer and the support characters being so unappealing really leaves a bitter taste, so the second half really needs to get it's shit together.
>>23754593For the most part Zeztz is the staff doing western-like things that the staff themselves think is cool rather than going out of their way to research what the west actually like, even for the designs it wasn't the staff requesting Bandai to make skin-tight chest belt Rider suits, it was something Bandai came up on their own or the cast speaking english randomly is more so to teach kids english.As far as I'm aware the only thing they did with the setting and looks specially because they thought the west would like it is the shitty modern western rap insert song. Ultimately most of the creative decisions are based more on what the staff thinks would make for a good entry point for Rider such as the slow pacing and the way the form changes work because the producer thought a first entry point should be Kuuga-esque, Zeztz looking like Ichigo or the show attempting to have more bike scenes than the prior Reiwa seasons.
>>23754529Anon, that sofubi was AI. The actual Dark Zeztz is just identical to Zeztz.
>>23754602>doing western-like things that the staff themselves think is cool rather than going out of their way to research what the west actually likeOh, it's one of those "western appeal" but not really attempts.
>>23754200It's just my autism, but I think it's really stupid that Nox got unique Capsems and Dawn just uses regular ones. It would've been a perfect opportunity to have a Capsem that just splits in half. Also the name is really lame and a massive missed opportunity to call him Dusk instead which sounds 10x cooler.
>>23754372The Royale Sauce is the key.
>>23754603Oh I hate AI
>>23754609Pretty much yeah, since Zeztz isn't only the first Rider to release in the west but also the first Rider to get simulcasted globally, they thought it would be neat to try western ideas but its true focus is making a show that feels like a good starting point to new viewers.The issue with the show so far comes from the producer hiring the wrong writer for the concept he wanted which was a Kuuga 2 because Takahashi's style of writing is high-speed pacing, however he really wanted to hire Takahashi because he was the one who came up with the idea of a Kamen Rider with dream powers in the first place. It's basically the same situation as Lupin VS Patranger only with less drastic consequences.
Apologize to last year's secondary rider character.
>>23754609I think that's funny about it desperately trying to appeal to western audiences is that Takahashi is very "Japanese humor" oriented which you can see with a lot of the bits in Zero-One or Geats. He doesn't really have the nuance writing that appeals to a larger crowd like Build and Gavv, but he mainly relies on the hype moments to carry things. Not saying hype moments aren't good, but it isn't as hyped up as it should be when the story itself is not entertaining.
>>23754624But people like Hanto as a character (except for the V-Cinema), his rough fighting style is cool, he was always competent at investigations, had good dynamics/chemistry with the other two Riders and he would call out other people's bullshitThe issue people had with Hanto was how the show treated him rather than the character himself, like how the Granute that killed his mom got killed immediately without him realizing, how they never allowed him to have meaningful battles alone or how they had to rush his Chocold arc
>>23754636Hanto was just inoffensive at best. He was pretty flat.
>>23754639Nah he was bad..Fucking daiji was better smdh
>>23754372It’s a very solid show so far to me, but as others have said it feels like it doesn’t do anything standout or notable compared to other seasons. What really helps its case in my eyes is how the cast are competent in terms of acting, especially Baku. Gotchard was another mid show with barely anything happening but two of the three leads there were not very good actors.
>>23754200A pic of Dawn's civilian identity just got leaked by the Chinks.
Was the fb vietnamese account that leaked most of the early details for Zeztz deleted?
>>23754636>But people like Hanto as a character (except for the V-Cinema)the fuck happened in the VCine
>>23754664The V-Cinema gave Lizel a redemption arc.
>>23754659his dig looks huge in that pic
>>23754664The plot is about a Granute who targets Lizel and wants to turn her into a Dark Treat because her dad killed a loved one of his, he's essentially a Granute mirror of Hanto before he had character development and left revenge behind. But instead of talking him down and ending the cycle of revenge like Hanto unsuccessfully tried to do at the end of the show with Jiip, Hanto just kills him like a dog.
basically the same as gabbo
>>23754703Gavv had the opposite problem, it had way too many villains, the majority of the cast were villains.
>>23754703i wonder if Shira-P is going to allow Rider to have villain orgs now that Sentai is done for
>>23754703Blame yanaka instead.
>>23754716He'll do it for a future Project Red entry instead.
>>23754703But Gavv had a lot of villains, the main issue was that they sat around doing nothing>>23754716They aren't prohibited to have villain organizations what are you on about? Hell him and Tsukada were the ones who assigned Hasegawa as a co-writer for Gotchard in order to come up with main villains because the staff originally didn't want o have any, and we had the Stomach inc. literally last year
>>23754660Seems so, does anyone know if he has an alt?Although he didn't have any more leaks after the initial Zeztz leaks besides G Raiya which later got comfirmed by Lemon
>>23754715>Many villainsDoing nothing, mind you. Might as well put suga as the single notable villain.
>>23754372Takahashi’s best show to date. 6/10.
>>23754716We still have villain organizations so I don't know what the fuck you're on about, but if you're talking about Kamen Rider not taking the same story structure as Sentai when it comes to eliminating villains it's due to the shilling forcing to have more villain Riders/Rivals
>>23754603really? I thought it was posted by color.
>>23754754I'm just posting all the G units what's your problem?
>>23754759The rest of the sofubis were posted by a chinaman whose leak got comfirmed by color, the dark zeztz sofubi was an AI image someone else made immediately after to troll but we're still getting a dark Zeztz, he's just not going to look like that>>23754761He's a bot
>>23754639He’s the only example where the jobbing actively ruins his character. You can’t really have him be on Shouma’s neck when he can barely fight a Motw by himself and is almost a liability with how much he loses. Even the worst cases like G3 Hikawa started to get better and cleaned up his shit once G3-X was introduced.
>>23754765thanks for the clear up
Post obscure Rider stuff
>>23754592Ghost was literally one of the worst rated seasons dawg
>>23754772Haven't seen a dump of this anywhere
The other thread really is full of retards.>>23754668>>23754751>>23754764>>23754773>>23754775
>>23754372Started off really good, but has just been dragging as it goes on last few episodes have been really disappointing to straight up bad I think it can turn around, just need something to actually happen first. Ironically the show about dreams has become a snooze fest lately, also the choreography has been pretty lack luster and the action pretty lame
>>23754772Not official but still it's neat to see something created by anons even if incomplete >>23754785Stop linking your thread
>>23754772Still hoping for someone to scan this
>>23754750G4-X was basically an artificial version of Kuuga Pegasus with the emphasis on long range weapons and asymmetrical shoulders
>>23754763Every Kamen Rider show is standalone so no, it's still part of the Kamen Rider franchise and partly based on a rejected idea from the franchise's original creator but its lore is connected to the author's past works like Air Master and 81diver
>>23754786>also the choreography has been pretty lack luster and the action pretty lameI hate A.I. (unless it's used for certain comedic purposes), but even it managed to generate a better choreography than the one we got in the latest episode.
>>23754767I always thought of Hanto as less of a jobber and more of a sidekick, like Batman and Robin
>>23754810Hanto definitely did not view himself as a sidekick.
>>23754812No, but when in the parts where he did finally stop acting like he was the hero of the story and just provided support we got some really good fight scenes (like using the choco ability to make chocolate covered potato chip blades) I think after the arc of him going solo shit stopped he became way more enjoyable as a character and learned his place on the team
>>23754785Stay mad, reiwanewfag
>>23754785lurk moar, watch moar
Why is AI hated? They are humanity's dream.
>>23754785That's a lot of samefagging
>>23754822Humagear are, not LLM's.
>>23754816>>23754818>>23754822>>23754823Samefag
maybe Nox is a Humagear
>>23754815>like using the choco ability to make chocolate covered potato chip bladesThat was a team-up from early on in the show when he considered himself and Gavv equals, right afterwards he does shit like chasing after Granutes solo, fighting Vram on his own just to kiss the pavement, and trying and failing to become completely independent from Shouma because he was too upset at him.>and learned his place on the teamThat just makes him sound really pathetic, like a woman learning she belongs in the kitchen, he just resigned himself to being Shouma's bitch.
>>23754822Go back to space Aruto...
>>2375422925 years and they've only gone up to G6 lmao. I don't really like the guns, trying way too hard to integrate the magazine part from the original GM-01. Should've given her something else. Also I'm gonna be really sexist and say from that suit image above alone I could tell it was a woman by the dual guns and the pose.
>>23754833It wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't for him being so fucking dumb and not realizing Suga was evil for so long, and also if he didn't get his shit pushed in so many times trying to go solo But yeah the whole arc of him splitting up and trying to go solo just to give that up was kind of retarded. It would have almost been better if he gave in entirely and became evil for a while corrupted by a lust for power to then be saved from himself by Shouma imo
>>23754839Like if he beat Shouma badly, and then basically said "if you won't do what's needed I will" type shit but him kissing pavement every other episode was pretty sad
>>23754839>>23754844Chocold was a really pointless form, Hanto couldn't handle using it for more than 2 episodes before his body gave up, it's almost like he was allergic to being competent.
https://x.com/suzu_n_official/status/2023403012497318021>A Valentine’s gift from my wife, two days late >A fruit cake topped with chocolate-made Gills (Heel Claw ver.).>Pretty well done, don’t you think?>Apparently, it’s meant as a good-luck charm for the success of the Shin Agito Exhibition, so she made Gills—her favorite—in chocolate.>Not only was the cake delicious, but the chocolate Gills was amazing too!>Thank you, my dear wife https://x.com/makiyamayusuke/status/2023428079847371205>It's the best
>>23754228>>23754229There's G7 too that yet to be announce or kept for surprise
>>23754822normal people love AI. anti AI luddites are eternally seething losers that deserve to be mocked and humiliated.
>>23754839It's so weird because the whole Chocold storyline could've easily been him crashing out over anti-granute racismbut the show decided not to lean into that even though it would've made sense.
>>23754924I'd say it's less love and more "it's kinda useful sometimes, but I wish I could actually buy computer parts without it costing my whole life savings and that my power bills weren't so high because a data center down the street is using more power then my whole neighborhood 20x over."
>>23754822It’s like crypto, unregulated so there’s a lot of bad actors and retards misusing it and giving it a bad name. There’s no reason for big company to use it since they have the funds to easily hire an actual person.
>>23754716Stomach was literally only one series ago.
new female rider?
https://litter.catbox.moe/muu5vqgh2kxdkz5b.mp4The AI are getting crazy
>>23754937My favorite rider, Kuaga.
>>23754937https://litter.catbox.moe/abecuqojqmpvkeh5.mp4
>>23754822As portrayed in Zero-One, it is literal chattel slavery
>>23754935Dawn variant?
>>23754372Takahashi's most consistent show so far, since there's been nothing egregiously shit. But like always he peaked with the first arc. Overall it's okay.
>>23754937I hate how good this looks
>>23754624I don't give a shit what anybody says. Gavv was fucking great. The show actually made you feel for the characters. The three main riders are all super fucking likeable and interesting. Even if it had a shit ending Gavv was fucking great.
>>23754937If people are going to AI Decade at least fix this fucking godawful form.
>>23754937>Dumping the entirety of Heisei/Reiwa KR into a video gen model and getting something almost half decentYeah, pretty crazy.
>>23754624I feel like we have this discussion every year at this point>yeah Blades was bitch but at least Tategami was better than Evility >yeah Live was an edgy retard but at least he didn't get locked in a cuck cage>yeah Tycuck sucked but at least he was a man>yeah Rinne was a shit actress but at least she won sometimes>yeah Valen was the worst jobber in Rider but he was still better than Nox
>>23754955>greatnot according to haters:)
>>23754955>>23754963>anons talk about Gavv’s flaws >some sperg starts going full defense Every single time
>>23754967Get back to watching Gotchard, faggot.
>>23754937https://files.catbox.moe/vla7dd.mp4Here's Zeztz vs Cross Saber
>>23754995holy fucking kek Baku got rekt
I’ve just gotten into Kamen Rider (specifically the original series), I’m on episode 16. Shocker is a cool villain organization and I can’t wait to see the two riders team up
>>23755016You've gotten to the point where it becomes the Hayato show for a very long while until Hongo comes back after "fighting Shocker overseas" ie his actor recovering from his shattered leg from a botched stunt, but IIRC he appears and they become a combo sometime around the 50s.
>>23754891I assume this will be Hikawa's actual upgrade >>23754935>>23754946That's just a fanart design not a leak
>>23754228The guns looks familiar, but I can't place them. Were they taken from a Metal Hero?
>>23754891I'm guessing it'll be a repaint of this >>23754228with a new helmet v fin. The girl will obviously die.
Will they ever bring Muto or another writer back? I'm getting tired of takahashi slop.
>>23755128Um actually you can't dislike Zeztz because the first 22+ episodes are setting up the mystery box (-:You have to wait for the box to be opened before you can have an opinion on the first half of the show.
>>23755124They're new guns similar to G3's old guns.
>>23755130Takahashi writing is literally blizzardslop.
Why are there 2 threads?
>>23755167The other one was made by a shitposter
>>23755184What exactly does that mean?it looks like a normal thrrad
>>23755167The first thread made has an AI-made picture of Izu. An anon got mad about it and made another thread to not have an AI OP image. That's it.
>>23755197That sounds so fucking petty, lmao
>>23754803I wonder which show it's pulling choreography from the most. I'm thinking Gozyuger's Kumade for Nox but can't place any particular source for Baku there.
>>23755206Being /krg/ I'm not surprised an anon could be that petty or crusading at something that doesn't really matter at all.
>>23755206AI haters in a nutshell. They are petty bitches.
>>23755197>>23755206>>23755215>>23755216I genuinely think that Furry artists and AI Haters may quickly be overtaking Vegans and Cyclists in the race for the most Insufferable Personality award. Not to say the AI-Jeetbro is any better but they aren't human and come from 4th world countries so they don't count as long as we send them back.
>>23755215>>23755216>"I HECKIN LOVE GOYSLOP!!!"Get the fuck out of my thread, you fucking niggers
>>23755223What exactly makes Vegans and Cyclists insufferable?
Where can I watch the interview video of Yuya Takahashi and Kazuya Kamihoriuchi TTFC? I think I saw it last time, but I don't remember.
>>23755230They are like AI niggers. They come from 4th world countries, deport your nearest AI supporter to ICE, he might be using American resources illegally
>>23755238Anon your /pol/ is leaking, stop it.
>>23755237Still one of the best kaijin designs we've had.
>>23755126It's still blue
final form driver? from qimela btw
>>23754200I like the overall design, but the color scheme isn't doing it any favors. The gradient on the limbs is cool, but it also makes the torso seem empty since it lacks the extra highlights Zeztz, Nox and the Lords have.>>23754228>>23754229Seems a little too stock, but we'll see how it plays out. Also I hate how they stuck the GM-01 magazines on generic sci-fi guns and rounded the helmet to make it look cuter.
>>23755248Not from color or lemonhttps://tieba.baidu.com/p/10493434492
>>23755254
>>23755255Person who posted the image is not even confident with his mock-up
>>23755258Forgot image
>>23755230Same thing as AI Haters, they virtue signal nonstop and won't shut up about how evil people are for not following their exact ethic of not eating meat / not contributing to carbon emissions / various retarded reasons as to why AI is bad. If anyone is having fun or just living their own life doing their own thing they will breath down your neck, throw a tantrum and call you worse than Hitler over it, and because these people do not have friends outside of the small circles that echo their sentiment they spend the rest of their time trying to insert themselves into places where people do not want them and being miserable.
>>23755254>>23755255>>23755259New leaker or another account of lemon?But i doubt it anyway
Zeztz final form jingle leakedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enYdAxVcNZA
>>23755269AIfags are the vegans in this analogy because they will bring up their slop unprompted almost every single time
>>23755269But eating meat is a primary source of protein and a natural part of life.
>>23755319Nah I think it's the other way aroundAIniggers are like cyclist because they clog threads with slop and fake shitAntiAI fags feel more like vegans because they always feel the need to point out whenever something is AI and how much they dislike it and usually say some moral grandstanding shit like >"2 sticks of RAM are a 100$ for this?!?"Or>"-100L of water"
>>23755258>>23755259>>23755255First of all that shit looks AI and second of all I bet he is one of those trannies that uses AI so he is full of self doubt and no doubt will kill himself in a mass shooting like that Rhode Island faggot
https://x.com/Yuhuo_888/status/2023685142183805431
>>23755334
>>23754891But we already have pictures of G7
>>23754199I'm glad AItards don't actually have any hobbies or interests. If they latched onto Kamen Rider because of Zero-One it would've been insufferable.>b-but it's all about AI-The AI in Zero-One is actually AI. Machine learning only uses the term "AI" to fool stupid people.
>>23754200Art looks cool but the suit sucks. I really wanted new forms to break up the dumb onesie aesthetic. Bring back the belts.
>>23754955I don't feel anything for Rakia or any of the show's many many villains.
>>23754891>The focus is on G4With the focus being on Hikawa and G7 being the villain, it just seems like Project G4 all over again with Paradise Regained sprinkled into it with the random new female Rider that'll be killed off early on. Really disappointed it wasn't another Agito variant as the villain instead. Not to doompost or anything, but considering Inoue, it probably will end up being Paradise Regained with a bigger budget rather than a decent movie. Is already disappointing there's no Ryo in the movie and Shouichi is hardly the focus.
>>23755378Considering the AI craze began in 2022, they would probably have attached to GeatsI'm so glad I don't breathe the same air as AIniggs
>>23755190It was made by a shitposter who likes spamming terrible A.I. shit here from time to time despite being repeatedly told to fuck off, and he also likes being in control of the threads, which is why when two threads are up and the one not made by him gets more engagement he resorts to bumping his own thread with inane posts and sometimes even copypastes posts from the other thread (though he deletes them if he gets called out for it). Could possibly be Duel, since Duel likes necrobumping these threads with random spam.
>>23755389Anon it's an OP picture. You're acting like it killed your dog.
>>23755383Nobody said G7 was the main villain, it could be Hikawa's upgrade. The only villains we know of are the psychics, but we also know Kino is in the movie and Inoue said a while ago (before the movie was revealed) that he would bring him back as a villain just to make him suffer if there ever was an Agito sequel project.
>>23755359>The AI fag laughs as he ran out of prompts
>>23755392No, it's not just an OP picture, almost the whole behavioral pattern I described is right there in that thread, all that's left is the necrobumping at the end.
>>23755389Is this "AI spam" in the room with us?
>>23755389Jfc shut up already nobody cares apart from you
>>23755392>>23755407>>23755404>SamefagI know it's you, fuck off back to your thread, dumbass schizo bitch!
>>23755383Nobody said G7 can't transform into an Agito
>>23755393>Inoue said a while ago (before the movie was revealed) that he would bring him back as a villain just to make him suffer if there ever was an Agito sequel project.Kinda sounds like what he did with Kusaka in Regained
A while ago I noticed Nem was wearing these pins in her outfits from the last two arcs, I checked and saw that the fashion section of the production blog labeled them as "Secret Items" and described them as "something special", so I thought they might hold some symbolic importance that the staff might want to keep a secret for now.I noticed that the red, blue, green, purple and yellow pins match the colors of Zeztz's Q1 forms, but I wonder if the orange and black ones might represent Nox and Dawn or if they're meant to tease Zeztz's upcoming forms (black representing Catastrom/Orderm and orange representing the final form).
>>23755461I have a hunch Zeztz’ final form will circle back to red again, but that’s just me.
>>23754228>>23754229It's not really doing anything for me, which is weird because it's literally just an aqua-colored G3 Mild with a new crest. I guess props for not putting Reiwa overdesigned stank on it like they did with the Paradise Regained suits.
>>23755558>props for not putting Heisei Phase 2 overdesigned stank on itFtfy
>Friend starts parroting that Zeztz sucks because of excessive mystery boxes and how much of a needlessly problematic cunt Nox is>his favorite show is Faiz
>>23754853Chocold? More like cuckold.
>>23755417Retard
Where can I get dumps of old HD scans for toku like picrel?
Where were you when you realisedthe whole world is drive?
>>23755646Faiz doesn't have a mystery box problem. It's just that nobody talks to each other.
>>23755237Orga the fucking GOAT.
Crackpot theory, but what Dark Zeztz is actually Zero when he inevitably returns
>>23755719When I learned that all I need is drive
>>23755830I feel like Zero is off acclimating Agent 8 aka Dawn. He wouldn’t be gone this long if he wasn’t up to something. Having 7 work under 3 was all part of the plan, it just happened earlier than intended thanks to Nox.
Anyone knowledgeable on rider bootlegs and able to help me find the "csm" zero one driver, and the bootleg gashats with BGM?
>>23755830Three made it pretty clear that Zero isn't a CODE lapdog like he is, he's probably one of its more benevolent members.>>23755857There's no indication in the show so far that CODE wants to replace Baku yet, they've even hinted that he's more special than the average Agent. Zero literally called Baku the "one and only Agent" when he was alone, making it clear that he believed in him.Given his name and aesthetics, Dawn is most likely a member of The Lady's faction.
>>23755871>the "csm" zero one driverJust buy the DX Driver and the official Hi-Spec belt straps.
>>23755719SUPRISE
>>23755880The one I'm looking for has voice lines in the driver, BGM, and weapon finisher sounds. Plus modes for zero two and ark-one iirc
Just pushed through and finished Saber and Quartet thanks to another anon here giving me the motivation with their enthusiasm. I’m in awe. How the hell did I let you all convince me it was the lowest irredeemable trash when it’s so amazingly high tier. From maybe 15-16 on it was a never ending upwards climb of quality ending in maybe one of the best final arc I’ve seen of everything I’ve watched (all of Heisei + 01, Geats, Gavv). What happened?
>>23755898cringeyou have low standards
>>23755909Struck a nerve, did we?
>>23755876>Given his name and aesthetics, Dawn is most likely a member of The Lady's faction.Dawn is kinda weird because him looking really villainous makes it seem like he's with The Lady, but he uses normal Capsems that CODE provides. I wonder if Dawn is more of an assassin made to hunt CODE traitors like Nox and possibly eventually Baku.
>>23755898It's pretty underrated, Saber and Gavv have really been the only shows in Reiwa I've genuinely enjoyed. Except with Saber it wasn't until Daishinji and Yuri transformed that I really got into it, but it's nuts to me that it's the only show that kept its momentum going all the way to the end but it gets shit on a lot. Compared to that, watching Revice, Geats, and Gotchard really pissed me off a lot with nothing happening and being repetitive and Zeztz right now has been a really annoying slog too. I also think Saber just has a much better Rider cast than most of Reiwa too.
LOL
I watched Geats and didn't like it that much, I did love the suits though, I felt like they wanted a bigger show but they ran out of budget and I felt like Buffa could've been handled better. I liked the twists around Nago though, I felt like she was definately the writers favorite character. I hated Keiwa, then liked Keiwa, now I think he's fine.Ace is fine, there's not much to say about him which is funny considering He's basically a god. .Villains are fine.I can see why people would hate the constant resetting but I didn't hate it. I didn't really hate anything about the show I just didn't like it that much.I watched Kuuga and I miss it, it was fucking KINO and i loved it, I liked the brutality of it mixed with the creepiness of the Grongi suits, it does remind me a lot of early Kamen Rider in how a monster would just show up and brutally murder someone, then it would go on to something else. Something I liked about it more than other KR shows is that the world felt very real and lived in so I was more invested in the lives of these characters and the stakes of the action involved, so when Godai or Ichijo get hurt I have more of that suprised reaction or like 'oh no'. I think the Grongi having their own language and opposite way of thinking from humanity added to that lived in aspect of the show while making them more ominous and creepy.It's just easier for a more realistic show to feel more grounded but I think you could'e done that with Geats too. I didn't hate Geats but I didn't feel anywhere near as invested and there were multiple shots and scenes in Kuuga where I was very impressed by the framing and raw emotion of the scene being delivered where I didn't feel that as much with Geats either even though there were very cool fights and scenes.Thank you for reading my blog where I watched two different riders and talked about them.
>>23755898Q1 is legitimately better on a rewatch.
>>23755830My not-so-out-there theory for Dark Zeztz is that it's a special Nightmare born as a consequence of Baku using the power of the Capsems and the Zeztz Driver too much, which will then be extracted out of his dreams by The Lady. Baku's already suffering side effects from the use of his Rider gear, and all of that will culminate in Dark Zeztz.
>>23755898>it was a never ending upwards climb of quality
>>23755876>There's no indication in the show so far that CODE wants to replace Baku yetTo be fair, the other anon didn't say anything about replacing Baku, just that Zero might be training Dawn. Not that I agree, as he could be up to anything now.
i dont see him anymore?
>>23756026Probably killed himself after looking back on how much of his life he wasted by being an insufferable bitch. There's quite a few shitposters here who should take his example.
>>23755969Geats' writer isn't known for putting much emphasis on realism, he's known for his wacky bombastic shows with lots of twists.
Count your days, Inouefag
>>23755898Saber's issue is it's first 16 episodes are at the tier of Gotchard's last 16. Also half the suits are butt ugly unicorns.
Friendly reminder
>>23755983Dark Zeztz could be a lead in to Zeztz's final form
>>23756031lollmao even
>>23756146I see, bit like dark kabuto..alas the fight choreography will be ass
The only way they can redeem Nox SOMEWHAT is if they reveal that his whole hypocritical bullshit was akin to how you act nonsensical and out of character in a dream
>>23756151He should just remain evil like all the other evil riders.
Nox dies, Fujimi takes his belt and uses the Bomb Capsem to transform.
>>23756172wishful thinking
>>23756168That's the ideal case scenario. A secondary who remains unredeemed even in post series and is only tolerated for the greater threat. Somewhat like Horobi
>>23755892Isnt that just the Memorial version?
>>23756175Kusaka and Kumon Kaito
>>23756192Exactly like those. Without the likability
>>23755958>gavvnice try buddy, don't sneak that pos in with Saber
>>23756080Better the first 16 episodes rather than the remaining 34 like the other Reiwa shows.
>>23755969>I felt like she was definately the writers favorite character. Moreso that this was the time they were pushing female Riders really hard, at the cost of the story. The shows before and after had the same issue.
>Introduce big bulky form>eventually will swap into a sleeker form>Initial bulky form is introduced in a Dragon Quest inspired arcIf you like to connect dots that aren't there, this is a very cute nod to Toriyama's design philosphy of the stronger something is the more sleek they become.
>>23756237Dragon Quest is basically built into the DNA of modern Japan really
>>23755973>>23755898Nope, saber is still bad.
Smol Lachesis.
Lachesis and Oni Sister.
>>23756258Cute and cute
>>23755898>How the hell did I let you all convince meAnd that's how I know you're a shitposter larping, this is literally the one place on the western internet that acknowledges Saber being good, everywhere else people say is bad because they dropped off early and the show being made by Ghost's staff
>>23756182No, chinks made their own bootleg CSM Zero-One Driver https://youtu.be/NGX82_w4-GA?si=ppmTbngvakeSaBOM>>23755892>>23755871https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtNNBwH
I caught up to Zeztz after falling behind for a while, sketched a Nox because I'm really enjoying the show ever since he got more focus. I hope he stays as an antagonist without Takahashi pulling bullshit again like with his other (initial) antagonists, I wouldn't like him as much if he becomes a hero
>>23755898>From maybe 15-16 on it was a never ending upwards climb of quality ending in maybe one of the best final arc I’ve seen of everything I’ve watchedBlade is the only Kamen Rider that has recovered from its first quarter being subpar. And everybody knows this. You cannot fool us by using exactly what makes Blade special and giving that trait to Saber instead.
>>23756235I liked Nago even though I think the story would roughly be the same without her and her motivation was pretty stupid. I was into the drama.I doesn't feel like it's just female riders though because Lopo ended up sacrificing herself for Nago and Sara could've grown as an independant character but instead lost and then died so Keiwa could get the coolest power up ever.
You know what Kamen Rider's problem is?They cast villains with big names and they're afraid to kill them off, so they write them as redeemable retards or only kill them in the final episode.anyway, castrate writers, please, they cannot do villains, and their "moral lessons" are always juvenile and retarded, Yes, even for kid show standards.
>>23756353Nah the real problem is that they are wearing helmets not masks and not actually riding anything these days.
>>23756363They should just be Kamen Runners at this point
>>23756353>They cast villains with big names and they're afraid to kill them offWhat show are you talking about? It can’t be W, OOO, Fourze, Wizard, Gaim, Drive, Ghost, Ex-Aid, Build, Zi-O, Zero-One, Saber, Revice, Geats or Gotchard because the villain actors were mostly newbies like the rest of the main cast. I don’t even think that applies to Gavv either. > so they write them as redeemable retardsThe only show with that problem is Geats with Buffa. The other shows give good reasons as to why they changed their minds.
>>23756333He's seemingly going to become a hero since his transformation lesson hints at that sadlyAlso that's some really good art anon, good job
>>23756369I'm hoping against hope, but I'm definitely feeling it. He at least hasn't done anything as bad as Kuroto, Gai or Buffa yet, but man I'm digging him as an antagonist and would prefer if he stayed that way after Gavv having such awful villains. And thanks anon, was kind of a rough one and done.
>>23756371>at least hasn't done anything as bad as Kuroto, Gai or Buffa yetWasn't he going to allow a meteor to destroy the planet early on? Also protecting the disaster nightmare?But the way I assume that his redemption will work is that they'll reveal reality is a dream, he always talks about how this world "was created by CODE" and because the whole premise Takahashi pitched the show with to the producer was "a Kamen Rider fighting in a reality that's actually a dream, using dream powers", so I guess that's why he's completely a-OK with killing people
>>23756374I mean yeah, but he failed, and I at least can forgive an antagonist redemption if they only attempted murder but failed, those three shitheads caused much more tangible haem in comparison. That's an interesting theory though, I could see it happening because CODE has really been scummy so far and I would love it if part of Nox's turn is he is just right and Baku has to turn on CODE
>>23756334I'd say that as a whole Wizard is pretty close.I mean yeah the last arc is a bit of a slog due to how reliant it is on Koyomi for pathos despite her complete lack of screen presence but the middle portion is quite fun, and the first cour of Wizard was oftentimes painful (largely because of how much Shunpei it had).
>>23756334But Blade was fun from the very beginning in retrospect, even niconico agreesSaber's situation is closer to Drive which is having a really bad first quarter with a derivative setting with a character that remains unlikeable most of the show but gets such an extremely awesome moment that redeems the character by the end>>23756378>>23756371Gai's redemption really pissed me off since he was redeemed immediately after the show revealed he had done way more heinous shit that it initially seemed
>>23756389Yeah, but even more than that he pissed me off for inflicting that job arc upon us lol
>>23756330Oh damn, thank you. I tried searching aliexpress myself but so much unrelated stuff comes up. I can never figure out the exact stuff I need to search to get what I want to pop up. Like I tried finding the bootleg v buckle but no luck with it either, but maybe that's just sold out.
man Zeztz just feels like it has no stakes beyond the nightmare of the weeklike sure if you want to keep the sins of CODE secret go ahead, but at least tell us what the Lady's immediate plans are so we have something to care about in the story, even if future reveals will put that in a different contextmore than their motives being vague, their concrete goals are vague so the audience doesn't even have an objective source of tension in the story
>>23756389>But Blade was fun from the very beginning in retrospect, even niconico agreesIt's funny bad, I suppose.>Saber's situation is closer to Drive which is having a really bad first quarterDrive's first quarter was never THAT BAD. Definitely above Wizard, Blade, Gotchard, Ghost, and Saber's. Maybe Drive's Q1 could be considered bland, boring, or mediocre by some, but bad?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0f-eXcmOUg&t=7s
>>23756378>CODE has really been scummy so farThey've been more noble and reasonable than Nox and The Lady.
>>23756400Did that happen in ep 22? Last I saw was 21 lol, so I may still be behind
>>23756371>He at least hasn't done anything as bad as Kuroto, Gai or Buffa yetThe guy just killed two people in the last episode. Not to mention trying to mass murder with a meteorite and a death game and even sacrificed children to get the Disaster Nightmare into reality. I just don't understand CODE's darkness I guess...
>>23756367>W>Fourze>Gaim>Build>the villain actors were mostly newbies
>>23756374>he always talks about how this world "was created by CODE" and because the whole premise Takahashi pitched the show with to the producer was "a Kamen Rider fighting in a reality that's actually a dream, using dream powers", so I guess that's why he's completely a-OK with killing peopleI do wonder if "killing" people is to wake people up in actual reality, maybe that's why he's so hesitant when he needs to shoot Six. But then again he says dumb shit like "go to sleep forever" before shooting people, so not exactly encouraging.
>>23756402I mean I just realized I'm an ep behind (as of 21, all I really knew of CODE apart from them fighting Nightmares is that they were grooming children to be soldiers), but what you've said just makes me want him to stay an antagonist all the more, that's what I said in my original post
>>23756367>The other shows give good reasons as to why they changed their minds
>>23756283>this is literally the one place on the western internet that acknowledges Saber being goodThis is also the place with the biggest, most mentally ill and constant Saber haters of them all.
>>23756334>Blade is the only Kamen Rider that has recovered from its first quarter being subparMaybe if you're living in the 2000s.>You cannot fool us by using exactly what makes Blade special and giving that trait to Saber insteadBlade stopped being "special" in that regard when Drive came around. Saber is just another one of those rare ocurrences.
>>23756415>Blade stopped being "special" in that regard when Drive came around.Read >>23756398
>>23756411Fair enough but anon should be able to differentiate actual opinions from bait and I can't shake the feeling that the anon himself is baiting due to being to similar to that Gavv post a few threads back
>>23756401Episode 22 will just reinforce that idea, but even before watching it you can see that the ones causing constant disasters (with some reported deaths before the start of the show) aren't CODE but them, that The Lady openly rejoices in making people suffer, that Nox is a selfish prick compared to the other Agents who are willing to sacrifice themselves to protect the world, or how CODE is at least merciful enough to let their Agents retire while wiping all their traumatic memories out while Nox and The Lady's idea of "mercy" is making a retired Agent relive her traumatic memories before they fucking kill her just because they hate CODE that much.
>>23756421Anon said subpar, not bad. There's a lot of shows with better starts than Drive.
>>23756422What Gavv post?
>>23756427This one >>23747440
>>23756425That post is referring to me >>23756389 which did say bad, and the anon is right Drive's start is bland at most since the cast is likeable from the start, the problem with the beginning are the Roidmudes, cotw and setting not being unique for Rider standards but I still feel like Drive is the closest comparison to Saber's situation although the reason as to why Saber ended up that way is closer to Ghost's production issues than Drive's
>>23756353>castrateStop being a trannyIt isn't really due to big names but rather whatever the producer feels like doing, for example with Gavv the writer originally wanted to kill all of the Stomachs by episode 24 and then introduce a new faction but after Shiita's death the producer decided that the Stomach should live because she personally liked the actors, it's why Bocca feels like the final fight because that was the writer's original intention
>>23756437Do you have a sauce for this? This would explain so much about Gavv
>>23756443It's on the blogpost for Gavv's final episode on the official Kamen Rider website: https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/gavv/51/But there was a post-series interview where they went into even more detail about this but I cannot find it
>>23756396>man Zeztz just feels like it has no stakes beyond the nightmare of the weekI've said this before, but Zeztz is really lacking in deaths even for modern Rider standards, and the ones from last week being such obvious fakeouts doesn't really help either.If they really go through with the idea that the real world is just a dream, it's going to render the stakes of nearly every episode prior to the reveal pretty much meaningless.
>>23756443>>23756445Fucked up sorry it wasn't in the final episode blogpost but rather this one: https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/gavv/48/
>>23756445>>23756448Thank you, I do want to see that theoretical version now because the villains were my biggest complain about Gavv
https://x.com/nonzaurusu_4/status/2024067330997879266
Why 2 threads?
>>23756469The other thread was made by the shitposter that purposefully types like a retard, makes the thread early and makes AI images of Jeebh kissing HantoI don't know if the OP of this thread made it with good intentions though since someone claiming to be the OP is typing as petty as possible and bringing /pol/ into conversationIt would be funny but annoying if both threads got deleted if both OPs are actually shitposters but hopefully next thread is normal, like for example picrel hasn't been used as an OP image yet
>>23755234The TTFC mega is killed because Ei decided to be a gooner to the whore who killed Sentai. You better start not wanting anything cause you are never getting TTFC materials ever again.
>>23756479What if the 2 OPs are one in the same?
>>23756479If this thread was made just because the OP of the other thread is AI, I would have a hard time believing this thread wasn't made by a shitposter.
>>23756479so much bullshit in the thread no one even talked about the new cast of the Agito movie outside of G6
>>23756493But they did, one anon here >>23754266, two anons there >>23754272, >>23754473Most anons only cared about G6 because she's a rider while there really isn't much to talk about the rest aside from Date and Tsumuri returningThat said I really hope the reason they're arresting Hikawa isn't retarded because after 20 fucking years Hojo should have learnt his lessonAlso I assume his wife is the ping pong girl defeating G3s in the intro due to her eyes
Who wants to bet that the "national secret" were the files on CODE's project to train and brainwash Japanese children into becoming future Agents? And since that whole thing is an obvious reference to the CIA's real life projects on brainwashing such as MKUltra, with the reveal that The Lady has psychic powers and that the Nightmares are born from Nem's subconscious, what if those characters are connected to a possible CODE project centered around psychic individuals similar to the real life Stargate Project and the CIA's research on psychic abilities?
>>23756389Gai's redemption was so sudden and out of nowhere it felt like it was Ex-Aid again and I'm saying this as someone that loves the breakneck pace of Ex-Aid. Say what you will about Gai as a charactaer, I'm glad Nachi got to play the hero he initially wanted to play to some extent. Guy originally auditioned for Aruto and Fuwa but got stuck playing the old guy who kinda started the downfall of the show. I'm kinda sad he only got Thousand Ark as a power up for the whole outsiders series since that's so cobbled together from scraps, I really think he deserved a lot more.
>>23756496I could totally see it, I also think the orphanage Nem was in will be connected to The Lady somehow
>>23756479>I don't know if the OP of this thread made it with good intentions though since someone claiming to be the OP is typing as petty as possible and bringing /pol/ into conversationI made it because I knew the other thread was made by that one shitposter and at least one other person complained about it. I haven't brought up the 2 threads much other than answering the same question you just did and calling the OP of the other thread a faggot a few times, I didn't even join in on the off-topic discussions about A.I. that went on in here and stuck to discussing the shows instead, the guys who went on A.I. rants didn't even claim to be OP so I don't know where did you pull that from aside from maybe overblown paranoia on your part.
>>23756496I still find it hilarious how Nox still broke in and stole something here and Baku proudly says he completed the mission. They didn't even explain what the "national secrets" were nor did Baku accomplish anything, it really just set the tone of what Takahashi's writing with Zeztz was going to be.
>>23756499The actor was great, I just really think Takahashi isn't the best writer for nuanced villains.
>>23756353Kamen Rider's problems are a case by case dealWith Zi-O the problem was everyone, with Zero-One and Gotchard it was the producer, with Saber it was covid, with Revice was the writer, with Geats and Gavv it was both the writer and the producer but mostly the producer, with Zeztz so far it's both
>>23756521Dan Kuroto has pretty much defined the mans whole career lmao. Ex-aid had such great villains that every main villain had an insert theme. Geats had some decent villains but they never got enough screentime except for suel who got too much despite being the most boring villain of that show.
>>23756495since the movie is about Hikawa i wouldn't be suprised if Shouichi is not even going to fight the final villian, hell they might even kill him for shock value which i doubt because Kino is Inoue's whipping boy
>>23756528>Shouichi is not even going to fight the final villianThis basically sounds like a G3 V-Cinema so yeah but I really doubt they'll kill Shoichi at least
>>23756524>but mostly the producerLook, I'm just saying Zero-One, Geats, and Zeztz all have a common denominator so you can only blame the producer so much with those shows aside from hiring said common denominator.
>>23756530They did the same thing with Project G4
>>23756389Saber's first quarter is also better in retrospect, it does a lot of set-up for the later parts that goes right over people's heads when you're watching the show for the first time.Pic related is so amusing because Kento is literally just spitballing here, but he's completely right about this and the heroes only manage to find this out like 18 episodes later.
>>23756531I'm talking because of the interviewsWhile Gai's redemption, Fuwa not getting to do much in the second half and Aruto making a second Izu are Takahashi's fault, the show's biggest problems which were the job arc and Gai's constant screentime were Omori's faultWith Geats the whole having several villains running simultaneously thus none of them get proper development, Buffa's redemption and Keiwa's bullying were Takahashi's fault but Keiwa and Neon becoming retarded in Q3, Neon's lack of consequences for her actions, Beroba randomly deciding to transform into a Rider for her final fight, Punkjack not transforming in the final arc and Suel becoming the antagonist were Takebe's faultThen Zeztz is the result of Yanaka doing a setup that doesn't work with Takahashi's writing style
I wonder if Inoue is going to take the story beat from Decade and have Hikawa (maybe?) go from G3X to Gills and then Agito?
>>23756534Nah because even if Saber's Q1 has foreshadowing, good action and good slice of life moments it doesn't mean jack if it isn't fun to watchHowever Saber's Q1 is more tolerable if watched alongside the Swordsmen mini-series which makes the pacing, which is Q1's biggest issue, flow much more better
>>23756536I hope not, I like that arc but it would feel cheap to just do same thing again
i remember the hour after the first episode of Saber aired where there's a fully Unreal Engine scene /krg/ had like 1000 posts of people going crazy
>>23756518In fairness, Baku's mission was ONLY protecting the national secrets, which they did recover, not keeping Nox from getting the Invoker. So he did accomplish his mission.
>>23756499I havent watched zero one but honestly "redemptions" should be sudden, and quick. All it takes is a few seconds for someone to suddenly be like "oh shit, should I really be doing all this awful stuff?". Changing isn't as hard as some people try to say it is. All it should be is bad guy saying sorry and then doing good from then on.Now if people accept him instantly and treat the villain like a bff after he killed many innocent people then that would be kind of silly, but people should always be given a chance to prove they're changing for the better, just with some serious skepticism.
>>23756539It is mostly fun to watch though, the pacing might be overwhelming but at least there's something happening every episode instead of having nothing going on for long stretches of time, and the characters are charming enough. Not to mention the foreshadowing, good action and good slice of life moments which you just mentioned.
>>23756545>Now if people accept him instantly and treat the villain like a bff after he killed many innocent people then that would be kind of sillynta but essentially the protagonist calls him out on his sin when he forgives him but the guy didn't even go to prison after the story was done and the staff did originally intend his redemption to have negative consequences, but due to covid cutting out the episode count these consequences never happened and they move on pretty quickly from him without dwelling on it
>>23756545With Gai's redemption people had a problem with how it was executed (chatbot telling him to not be bad that never appeared again with a not subtle at all product placement robot dog that reminded him of his childhood which again, never appeared after)About how the rest lf the cast reacted to his redemption, it was a resounding "ok, cool" from everyone involved. Post show material potray him as tolerable/easy to ignore at best and butt of the joke at worst
>>23756545>I havent watched zero one but honestly "redemptions" should be sudden, and quick. All it takes is a few seconds for someone to suddenly be like "oh shit, should I really be doing all this awful stuff?". Changing isn't as hard as some people try to say it isThat sounds terrible and unrealistic because it's pretty fucking hard to change the way you've been for most of your life, it usually takes a big wake-up call after multiple mistakes for someone to turn over a new leaf, and even then people often tend to relapse because truly changing who you are takes way more effort than just telling yourself that you're going to do things right from now on.
>>23756526Kuroto is Takahashi's original sin for me, he was such a fun villain and his turn felt so half-assed. It felt like he only had an uneasy alliance with the gang at first and I was fully expecting him to steal the villain role back from Dan toward the end of the show (there was even the perfect opportunity when Dan died, but he just reset again), so the show just kinda stuck with him being allied with the good guys now. Except the sequel movies walked it back anyway? So it would have been more satisfying to just do it in the show proper cause Dan had already outstayed his welcome at that point, I enjoyed Ex-Aid when it was switching villains every few episodes but Kuroto coming back as the final villain would have been more built up because of how much damage he caused since the beginning of the show, and how he started the whole bugster shit to begin with. I guess I don't know if focusing on Kuroto's wackiness and aligning him without the good guys was a producer mandate, but it really left a sour taste in my mouth
>>23756562Some people speculate that the general plot of the V-Cinemas is what Takahashi would've done for Ex-Aid's final arc if the show hadn't been 5 episodes shorter than usual due to toy schedule changes. People also speculate that Ex-Aid got 3 V-Cinemas to make up for the fact that it was a shorter show.
>>23756556nta but Kamen Riders forgiving people who are willing to change makes sense, like for example in that very same show Horobi getting redeemed made sense to me because he acknowledged his hipocrisy and the whole reason he did everything made sense for the most part, and the show immediately shows him making up for his sins. With Gai he barely did anything to make up for it, his reasoning for becoming evil is retarded, that also doesn't work because Gai easily committed the most evil out of anyone in the cast, the show pretending that Gai getting publicly humiliated is enough to make up for everything he did is ridiculous.>>23756562iirc it was Takahashi's idea but it being as whacky as it was is the result of the actor's improv and then they just rolled with itWhat was a producer mandate was Kiriya reviving and Hiiro getting a new arc, Takahashi originally didn't plan anything for him after Level 50 which is why his level 100 arc sucked
>>23756567>nta but Kamen Riders forgiving people who are willing to change makes senseIt depends on what the person did, because if they did horrible acts like mass murder, then they should be made to try their hardest at earning that forgiveness since a simple "sorry" is not going to make up for what they did.>the show immediately shows him making up for his sins.He only turned good at the very end of the show. We don't see him doing heroic things until the post-series stuff, and he only made things worse with his retarded plan to make up for his sins when the V-Cinemas rolled around.
>>23756535I think Yanaka is just too stubborn in trying to impose his particular vision of a Kamen Rider show knowing both that Takahashi can't do two-parters motw tier episodes very well as well as barely paying lipservice to the toy shilling and trying stubbornly to hang onto Baku being the lone hero protagonist as long as possible.
>>23756579His vision of Kamen Rider is something that I've been wanting for Kamen Rider for a long time but man he should have picked a writer with proper experience with two-partners like Sanjo or Arakawa
>>23756536I hope Hikawa doesn't become a Gills or Agito because it would cheapen a lot of his character arc at the latter half of the show. Him declaring himself to be "just a mere human" as he's holding his own fighting against what is effectively an archangel would kind of lose impact if he became an Agito. It would completely invalidate how big a deal it was for him to be able to keep up with Shouichi and Ryo despite not even having the potential to develop their powers.
>>23756535>>23756579I really don't think it's the producer's fault that his idea doesn't "work with Takahashi's writing style". A lot of people said the problem with Geats was Takebe putting limits on Takahashi too. Hell, I remember a bunch of anons giving Ohmori shit after Zero-One (really starting to miss Ohmori). But I really think it just boils down to how bad Takahashi is as a writer, if he had any issues I'm he would say "hey, I don't think I can do this in a satisfying way" and you guys act like the producer writes this shit at this point. The producer sets the setting and plot points down, but Takahashi is free to write how it goes down and it's not like a lot of the issues in Takahashi's writing isn't present in other shows (yes, even Ex-Aid). I'm not trying to ride the Takahashi's a hack bandwagon, but I legitimately think it's clear who the issue is and it's starting to get goofy that from three different producers from three different shows all with the same writer, the producers are getting the blame. He worked on the Amazons movie, Outsiders, and Ride Kamens too and all of those were busts too. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I'm genuinely getting sick of Takahashi's writing and I don't think any producer would help him improve. Though, a Shirakura and Takahashi joint would be interesting to see.
>>23756535>Neon's lack of consequences for her actionsThat's Takahashi's fault.
>>23756589>a Shirakura and Takahashi joint would be interesting to seeIt would be a massive trainwreck.
>>23756589>you guys act like the producer writes this shit at this pointBecause the producer on Rider is pretty much the co story planner. You can see this with Omori shows having so many story beats like emphasizing the professions of the main character (which are usually not outlandish) or emphasis on AI characters/monsters/concepts. Takahashi is bad, but the problems for many of his shows lay at the feet of the producer as well.
>>23756579I don't really think anything is wrong with Yanaka's vision at all. In fact on paper, it's actually a pretty good idea and Baku definitely does feel like a lonely hero. I mean, a lot of early Rider shows didn't even have the secondary appear until Q2 which would've been done again here with Nox. It's just that Takahashi's character writing in general is awful and he had no clear vision for villains so he ended up combining the main villain with the secondary Rider, the interviews straight up have him say he came up with Nox for that reason. I think that was the biggest mistake in making the secondary the main antagonist. It honestly would've been fine if the arc ended after Q1 which felt like a good point for Nox's redemption and return as a Rider or if they insisted on dragging his villain arc out, they should've had him be Nox Knight until Q3 or his redemption later on. I feel like part of the reason people are at frustrated with Nox apart from him being a cryptic asshole is that he's tied to the image of secondary Rider and makes you wonder what the point of him becoming a Rider was when nothing changed. The rest of the side characters also aren't entertaining at all and borderline useless, so it's not enjoyable at all and bogs the show down even more. I mean they all boil down to a single repetitive line "this is what the dream cast me as", "it's a black case!", *random kicking*, and "I'm worried about my brother" and that's it. They legitimately don't do anything and even the last episode shows that. They're neither useful as Kuuga's side cast or have high chemistry and fun to watch like Build's cast. That's not the producer, those characters are how the writer writes them. I don't think anyone would care if any of these characters were removed either because I doubt anyone here is attached to them.
>>23756589>really don't think it's the producer's fault that his ideaIt kinda is since a producer can adapt to a writer's style in order to guarantee a show being good like Omori with him in Ex-Aid or Tsukada with Maekawa, the writers cannot really say they can't do something because they must meet the producers' demands. That said I'm not trying to excuse Takahashi, it why I said "both" in my earlier post, when I said "Yanaka doing a setup that doesn't work with Takahashi's writing style" it applies for both because they aren't abl to adapt to each other. However the producer's job isn't just to set up the setting, but also serve as an editor throughout the story, they can and have requested changes, like with Geats where Takebe asked to make Keiwa less sympathetic.>>23756579>knowing both that Takahashi can't do two-parters motw tier episodesDoes he though? Takahashi did Lupin III Part IV, The Kindaichi Case Files and Mountain Doctor, those don't two-parters but those shows and early Zero-One proof that Takahashi can do cases of the week well sometimes, problem is that Takahashi isn't a consistent writer and is at his best when doing a show with breakneck pacing, so Yanaka's setup would have worked far better with another writer. But at the same time I can't blame him for picking Takahashi since the dream setting was his idea, ultimately Zeztz's problems are the fault of both but I still think Yanaka did a decent job for his first time heading a show, problem is that I'm not sure his style would work for another show, getting more than one vice-producer isn't common and he clearly doesn't care about toy shilling which is rare for a producer.
>>23756594>Takahashi is bad, but the problems for many of his shows lay at the feet of the producer as well.Again though, blaming the producer for doing what they're supposed to do isn't logical. I mean even this quote "knowing both that Takahashi can't do two-parters motw tier episodes very well" implies that the producer is somehow supposed to know his flaws and forced him to do it anyway, which is a ridiculous thought. No one is forcing or limiting Takahashi at all and it's the producer's job to set up the vision. I'll say this again, how is it that it's Ohmori's fault for Zero-One, Takebe's fault for Geats, and Yanaka's fault for Zeztz when all these shows have a common denominator. Sanjo and Muto were fine under Ohmori and Kobayashi, Urobuchi, and Komura were fine under Takebe, so why were they to blame over Takahashi's shows? This is Yanaka's first Rider show so I can't really say much about him and I do agree that he certainly does get part of the blame for the show's overall structure. But I do feel that Takahashi might be the bigger problem here since he's shown the same tropes before and doesn't seem to improve with each show.
>>23756609I honestly don't care about the fact that Nox is the Secondary Rider nor that he became Rider while still being a villain, I dislike him because he's just a really dull character who's frustrating to watch because of the way the story is written.
>>23756589>Though, a Shirakura and Takahashi joint would be interesting to see.I mean, considering the every three shows pattern and Toei seeing Takahashi as a hit maker, this is actually likelier than most people think with the 10th Reiwa show.
>>23756623>Ohmori's fault for Zero-OneHe forced the job arc which slowed the story down and is a story setup that doesn't really revolve around fighting which is a bad match for Rider, he's also the one who forced Gai to keep getting continously humiliated which in turn meant he got more screen timeHowever there were a lot of people that started bandwagoning in hate towards Ohmori for some reason after Zero-One as if his previous shows didn't exist, and I don't blame Ohmori for what he did since his reasoning for listening to the demands of the fans was because he was too afraid of fucking up since he had to live up to Kuuga, he's still the second best producer Toei has ever had imo>Takebe's fault for GeatsTakebe was the one who requested at the last minute that Keiwa shouldn't be sympathetic because she was afraid that kids would relate to him once he became evil, she also had Keiwa not be the main antagonist which is why Suel ended up being the antagonist insteadNow the anon expecting Yanaka to know Takahashi's flaws before hiring him is retarded but still a lot of the issues with Takahashi's shows are mostly the producer's fault, Zeztz is the only time I find the fault to be even
>>23756623>>23756639Forgot to add despite me defending Takahashi I'm also tired of his writing, he shouldn't have been hired 4 times so close to each other
>>23756628I hate that Takahashi is the likeliest to make Reiwa 10th, also that the likeliest producers to handle Reiwa 10th are Yanaka, Takebe and MinatoOut of those I'm hoping for Yanaka, he feels like the "safest" choice and ultimately agree with his philosophy despite Zeztz not really being a standout season so far, however I get the feeling Zeztz will pick up hard once the second half starts
>>23756647I mean considering it's an anniversary, wouldn't it be likely that it's Shirakura again?
>>23756654Wasn't the reason Shirakura got picked to do Zi-O that he was the producer that made the most Heisei seasons?Now Toei's president is a junior to Shirakura and he hasn't made a single Reiwa rider so I doubt they'll have him do Reiwa 10th
>>23756658Shirakura also got to make Zenkaiger even though he had barely any involvement with Sentai.
>>23756661But that case wasn't like Zi-O where executives higher than him had him make a show despite him being an executive himself, Zenkaiger and Donbrothers was him using his power as a executive to make a season himself, same with Tsukada picking himself to make Kiramager I guess he could do the same thing again and use his power to pick himself as a producer, but if he does he'll probably go with Inoue rather than Takahashi considering how he said he wants his last toku project to be made with Inoue and he's close to his pension
>>23756647>TakebeI mean maybe Geats aside, Takebe's still had a lot of bangers under her belt (I loved OOO, Gaim, and Gavv)!and even Geats was objectively a massive hit with the general audience. So, Takebe wouldn't be a bad thought at all. On a side note, I do wonder if a Fukuda show under Takebe instead of Takahashi would end up being really successful.
>>23756666I think if Shirakura teamed up with Inoue for a Rider show it wouldn't be for the Reiwa 10th anniversary, I feel like Inoue would have no interest visiting previous Riders like Decade and Zi-O did if they decide to go that route. I do think Shirakura sees Takahashi's successes and as an executive sees what's popular among audiences today, so if he did produce a Reiwa anniversary show I didn't think it would be unusual for him to give Takahashi a try for an anniversary of a new era. Especially since Takahashi was also the writer of the first Reiwa show. I'm not saying any of that as fact or will happen, but I do think it's something that could happen more than you think. It would also be kinda cool to see Takahashi go through every producer if we're really stuck with him for the next foreseeable future, especially with Shirakura.
>>23756667Takebe was also behind Kiva and Ninninger, as well as some of Gaim and Gavv's shakier aspects. Geats and Gavv also weren't nearly as good as her previous Riders shows, she only made 2 truly great Toku shows and the rest range from bad to uneven.
>>23756667I mostly just don't want it to be her because of how inconsistent she is even though I love OOO, Gaim and Gavv and though Go-Busters was really great as well. Another reason is how most of her changes to Geats were so last minute that Takahashi wasn't able to do anything about it so I don't wanted her teaming up with Takahashi and that she was the one who picked Kento Shimoyama as Zi-O's writer because he's a pushover which she thought would be convinient for an anniversary season since he would just take the producer's requests without question, so I'm afraid that if not Takahashi then she would just pick him again and do the exact same thing they did with him for Zi-O.That said I do want Takebe to keep making shows, the only show of hers I straight up did not like was Ninninger
>>23756673Shirakura's like the worst possible producer Takahashi can be paired with. Takahashi needs the direction of a competent producer with a strong vision to diminish his writing flaws. Shirakura used to be a good producer, but not anymore, his current vision is awful and his newer shows depend almost entirely on how competent the writer is, Donbrothers was carried hard by Inoue's writing.
>>23756673I feel like a show with that duo would be good at least but not top-tier since the villains would probably suck with that duo
>>23756679>his current vision is awful and his newer shows depend almost entirely on how competent the writer isWhy? The only Shirakura shows that weren't fun were Hibiki's second half, Amazons S2 and Zi-OBasically he's great as long as he isn't taking over someone else or leaving everything to TakebeProblem is that if he ends up making Reiwa 10th and it's a proper crossover like Zi-O or Gokaiger he would just leave everything to Takebe and fuck everything up again
>>23756696Takebe is a producer now so he wouldn't be leaving things to her but to someone else
>>23756696>The only Shirakura shows that weren't fun were Hibiki's second half, Amazons S2 and Zi-ODecade wasn't a good show either. And Zenkaiger was carried by Komura doing what she does best: wacky comedy hijinks.If you've ever read any of Shirakura's recent interviews, you'd know that he currently has a terrible vision for Rider. He insists that these must be mere childrens' shows that just need to teach the moral of the week instead of having a proper story, his concept of a "good show" is just whatever made the most money, and he just tries to half-assedly replicate the shows he considers most successful. If he made another show it would turn out exactly like Zi-O and Gotchard did, because that's Shirakura's current idea of a "good" Rider show.
>getting this mad over a kida show
>>23756709I legitimately forgot about Decade somehow my bad, and yeah that was a case that's 100% Shirakura fault that it was bad as it even had a decent writer who he treated like absolute shitThat said Minato still got demoted again after Gotchard seemingly (he'll probably get promoted immediately after Zeztz though) and his vision has always sort of been like that judging by his Ryuki interviews, the way I interpreted the whole "program" thing is that he isn't against Kamen Rider having stories, he just wants the characters to be the focus, so if a serialized writer actually wants to make a story with him for Rider he'll probably allow it as long as it still has a moral every two weeks
Wasn't aware that Zeztz's kaijin designer worked on Romeo is a Dead Man: https://x.com/zhomo11/status/2021748283711135762?s=20
>>23756647They picked Utsunomiya who had only headed a single show to make Sentai's 35th anniversary, Mochizuki who had never headed a Rider show to make Kamen Rider 50th anniversary, Matsuura who had never headed a show make Sentai's 50th anniversary which was also the last season on its franchise and Kuji who has only headed a single show and a bunch of small edutaiment campaigns to head the start of a franchise that they're hoping it becomes Toei's third tokusatsu pillarI don't know if they don't really care or if Gokaiger, OOO and Kyoryuger turning out as great as they did resulted in Toei trusting newbies too much but I don't think they really care much about who will make Reiwa 10th and just pick whoever they think would be funny and is availableOut of the current ones assuming they don't do a Kiramager-Donbrothers situation who would you want to see making Reiwa 10th?
>>23756673>I think if Shirakura teamed up with Inoue for a Rider show it wouldn't be for the Reiwa 10th anniversary, I feel like Inoue would have no interest visiting previous Riders like Decade and Zi-O did if they decide to go that route. Shirakura also has no interest though. If he returns to do a Rider anniversary, it will be Zenkaiger/Donbrothers style where they use the powers of past Riders somehow, but with no returning actors. That was even his initial plan for Zi-O. He was convinced to go with guests just due to the possibility of tv ratings boost, but since Zi-O's ratings didn't really get boosts from the guests, he's likely never bothering again.
>Be Nox>be mad at CODE for not giving you any backup >but also sabotage CODE’s recruiting process so that future agents won’t have any back up eitherThere’s no pleasing this guy.
>>23754578I wonder if Yaguruma will finally use TheBee again or just stay as KickHopper for the 20th movie.
>>23756819The leaked cast had Masato so probably just Kickhopper again
>>23756151>>23756333Tinfoil hat theory: what if the setting of Zeztz is basically if Hongo stayed with Shocker? Maybe in the end it's revealed Nox is right about everything, which is why the producer (or Takahashi? I can't remember) said that all of Nox's actions become clear in the end. Maybe Nox is right and the reality they're in really is a world made by CODE to train their agents and operate in the shadows, so Baku is just being manipulated into thinking he's the hero while Nox is "killing" people to actually wake them up from this reality/dream/simulation (no flowers for Five or Six). In a weird way the original series homage might go deeper by putting Baku in kind of a Ichimonji situation where it takes Nox to make him realize the true nature of CODE which makes everything Nox does look evil from his current perspective. Their reality being off has actually been shown since the beginning with the Zeztz Room where it exists in both dream and reality but you can access it through Baku's apartment room and there's a door that access another facility. Nox and The Lady are dressed the same in reality when they meet Baku during the therapy session as they are in the weird Nightmare Room meaning it's in the same level of reality and not a dream since Nox has a different outfit when he's in a dream. I'm not really sure if the Nightmares or The Lady are necessarily good, but Nox made it clear that Nightmares are just tools to him so the alliance might be a means to an end as The Lady might be the only one that can help him beat CODE. Or I could be wrong and knowing Takahashi, Nox may very well just be that edgy and stupid and he'll get redeemed by getting his ass kicked and going SEE CODE BAD when Baku gets betrayed by Three or whatever. But it would be very ballsy if they do end up going that route and it would be interesting to see an OG Rider homage where we actively watch the main Rider break away from the organization over time rather than the first episode.
>>23756842I don't think Masato would really use TheBee again though since his Work form is more powerful, plus all the promotional Kabuto stuff still highlights TheBee as the third Rider.
What counts as a Rider in Zeztz doesn't make any sense. >Zeztz, Nox Knight, and the Lords all use CODE belts but only Zeztz is a Rider>KR Nox uses a non-CODE belt and is a Rider>Dawn doesn't even use a belt and is RiderAt least in Build the distinction was using a belt or not even if it was dumb.
>>23756819Yaguruma getting his redemption arc after 20 years would be great.
>>23756819Becoming TheBee would just mean his character regressed, since the Zecter only picks people who are willing to become ZECT's lapdogs.
>>23756849KickHopper is more powerful than TheBee and fits Yaguruma's fighting style better.
>>23756851The only distinction is in the eyes:>if the eyes are "open", it's a Rider>if the eyes are "closed", it's a Rival
>>23756851Yeah I really hate this rival push for no reason. It was like that with Valvarad too where a transforming figure that was an active good guy was not a Rider, but Dread was. At least in that worldview they justified it as transforming through mastering alchemy with Chemys, but it was still unnecessary and he wasn't even a "rival". Zeztz just plain makes no sense because using rivals means that they're purposely making a big deal of the Kamen Rider title. But yet, Nox has no development and is continuing the same thing he's doing basically just acting as a power up and Lord 5 and 6 actually acted like allies. There's nothing special about the title in universe either or at least anything mentioned in the show at all. People say it's to signify their autonomy from CODE and that's why their eyes are "opened", but that's very arbitrary for the specific requirement for being a Rider. Not only that but the Lords use the same exact belt system and Capsems Riders do and transform, in any other setting they're no different from any other Kamen Rider. Like you mentioned, it makes it even worse when the tertiary doesn't even use a belt and is designed to look evil but yet is a Kamen Rider. Shadow Moon was a unique scenario that was justified in its worldview and Mashin Chaser also did a good job following in that concept but added evolving into a Rider. In Build, the rivals were explicit enemies that also evolved in to Riders. But when you do it with allies it's kind of stupid because we've had so many different types of Kamen Riders over the years and G3 doesn't even fucking transform so the sad thing is that these ally "rivals" are actually much closer to Riders than G3 is. I also don't like the trend of using a different word to transform to differentiate them, especially in Zeztz because it's stupid that Zeztz transforms but the others using a reverse engineered belt still say disguise. If Kamen Rider isn't a special title in this universe, it's stupid.
>>23756858Not necessarily. At the end of Kabuto, Yaguruma's last scene is him telling Kageyama that they need to get their light back. The Zecter also flew back to him after the Triple Rider Kick but he wasn't affiliated with ZECT at all, so that might be an indication that it doesn't necessarily pick those that side with ZECT. >>23756860I agree KickHopper definitely fits him much better and him as KickHopper is arguably one of the most popular characters in Rider. But I don't think he was necessarily weak as TheBee, the thing about Kabuto is that they show the skill of the users rather than the powers themselves and Yaguruma was absolutely able to rival Kabuto as TheBee. The only thing getting in the way was his ego making him lose focus.
Has Japans opinion on zeztz shifted at all?
>>23756857Not only Yaguruma, but for TheBee too. Being used as a jobber by Kageyama and inevitably left with no users, it'll be nice to see TheBee not get kicked to the curb
>>23756875Not from what I've seen, if anything people are more annoyed with the last episode since Five and Six were killed off, Baku was made to look like an idiot, and Nox is still rambling nonsense. Honestly, I actually haven't seen any positive comments from Japanese netizens aside from those about Five and Six.
>>23756865>There's nothing special about the title in universe either or at least anything mentioned in the show at allKureha told Give that Baku was special and that him being able to transform into Zeztz was proof of that. Nox's Rider form was an upgrade to his Rival form and Zero implied that it used even more Nightmare power and that its use carried a great risk.So in the show it seems like Riders are supposed to be a tier above Rivals since they can draw out more dream power, but the risk of being consumed by Nightmares is higher for them as a result.
>>23756875https://www.kr753.com/133125The reactions here will probably sum it up pretty well
>>23756865>>23756865Dimwit, it’s also related to how much Nightmare power their Systems use. Zeztz and Nox are superior since they tap directly to the Nightmare source. And that’s why Knight/ Lords only have the same generic suits while the Riders have unique suits.
>>23756874Yaguruma wasn't exactly a good person back when he was TheBee, and Kageyama (who used the Zecter the longest) was at his most evil when he took on the mantle. Even in the Triple Rider Kick episode, Kageyama got TheBee back but still acted like a bitch and ultimately got his ass kicked, only for Yaguruma to chide him for being pathetic, tell the TheBee Zecter to get out of his face, and then kick Reiji Nogi's ass as KickHopper. Later on he and Kageyama decide to become more heroic and they destroy one of Nogi's clones together as the Hoppers.Kagami also went through the whole process of being TheBee first before finding a stronger Zecter that fit his personality and fighting style better.
>>23756858>>23756895I always saw The Bee as basically a Shocker Rider reference. Yellow and having users that are willing to work for the "organization". I'd be really surprised if they attempted to "redeem" it.
>>23756890Okay, but my issue is why even need that distinction. Like yes obviously there's a difference between the Knight/Lord System and Kamen Riders, but what's the point. I'm saying that it's not necessary to really need to make that distinction of Kamen Rider and not Kamen Rider when it's something as arbitrary as that. My point is if you're gonna do Rival figures that aren't Kamen Riders, there should be a specific reason that they're not Riders and mainly because they're antagonists and maybe even use slightly different gear. Mashin Chaser, Night Rogue, and Blood Stalk were essentially no different from enemy commanders and Mashin Chaser was constantly referred to as a Roidmude. That's why I consider Valvarad as weird, but he didn't use a belt and was distinct from a Rider. The rivals have essentially the same base design as the Riders, use the similar type of belt system and Capsems that Zeztz uses, and they're either disposed of after 2-3 uses (Nox) or they're allies (Five and Six). There's no emphasis on the Kamen Rider title like in Drive, Build, or Gotchard and and why is it the Lords aren't Riders because they use Nightmare abilities differently but in another series Birth in OOO is a Rider when he uses Cell Medals rather than Core Medals. I'm not saying there's not a reason in-universe, but overall it just seems like an unnecessary concept when on surface level Lords are exactly the same as Kamen Riders just not in name. I just think it's a waste when it's used for very short appearances to build up to a Rider form or for allies.
>>23756895Agreed. I feel like Yaguruma has a similar development to Kagami in finding the right Zecter and becoming one of the strongest Riders in the show. It's also more interesting seeing KickHopper and PunchHopper basically be the antithesis of Kabuto and Gatack. Yaguruma was definitely the best user of TheBee, but Yaguruma IS KickHopper. The Triple Rider Kick also cemented who all three are meant to be.
>>23756898Actually kind of makes sense considering Kageyama and Yaguruma went on to become a pair of Riders that reference Ichigou and Nigou, and the fact that in the OG manga Nigou was actually one of the Shocker Riders before becoming a hero. Yaguruma broke free from the show's big evil organization, became a grasshopper Rider who hunted kaijin down independently instead of obeying orders, and eventually defeated and convinced the show's designated evil Rider to join him and do the same.
>>23756899It’s great to make such distinction in power level. It makes the title Kamen Rider more powerful instead of just a generic term.
>>23756901TheBee also has the issue that it's one of the fodder Zecters used by the Perfect Zecter, Drake, Sasword and TheBee will abandon their users whenever Hyper Kabuto needs to hog them for one of his finishers. Gatack and the Hoppers don't have this problem.
>>23756847Would be kind of an insane twist if it's revealed from the perspective of Nox, CODE actually is taking over the world and Baku is just an enemy unknowingly preventing him from saving anyone. Maybe that's why he shows concern for Baku and Kureha in the transformation special because he knows they're just brainwashed. Kinda like how a lot of the Shocker kaijin were just brainwashed and Hongo couldn't do anything but stop them from causing further damage.
>>23756910>Baku is just an enemy unknowingly preventing him from saving anyoneBaku would know if Nox actually bothered to tell him the truth instead of simply vagueposting about CODE's "darkness" while Baku's forced to slowly put the pieces together on his own. Nox's own MO is the biggest obstacle to his plans.
>>23756917Yeah, I feel like even if they end up doing that reveal it'll still make Nox look like an idiot and an asshole for not even trying to get Baku on his side.
>>23756901It's not exactly canon, but the HBV suggested that the Zecters are drawn to certain personalities. TheBee was said to resonate with those who are loyal to a cause/path other than their own, which describes Yaguruma, Kageyama, and Kagami when they are its user. Note that all three eventually abandon TheBee and start following their own path, gaining their own Zecters along the way.
>>23756717>>23756696>anon specifically said his “current vision” >bring up almost 20 year old riders and a show he was forced to take over His current track record is Zenkaiger, Donbrothers, Amazons S2, Zi-O, Zi-O vs Decade, Rider Time Ryuki, the Ichigou Ghost movie and Paradise Regained. Only two of those are decent.
>>23757020This and Inoue's current track record really makes me concerned for the Agito movie. It's telling that the only thing I've enjoyed recently that the two worked on is Donbrothers.
>>23757020Don't forget Gotchard.
>Goto-san passed the 2025 Administrative Scrivener Examinationhttps://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2437373/full/
>>23757030The what?
>>23756588Yeah, I totally agree.It's a little nebulous, but a part of Agito's aesthetic narrative suggested that, whilst "Agito" is the perfect evolution, there are also other paths one can take. Even though Gills was always suffering and Hikawa had NO powers, they both still achieved tangible things in their own way. Hikawa made the case for humans staying as they are instead of outsourcing our powers and morality to a mystical quasi-godhood or the untameable perpetual suffering of an internal beast.
>>23756898>>23756858Only logical if they planned on introducing a Hyper TheBee in the movie
>>23756456
>still the only Reiwa Rider to have a Figurise kit
>>23757088I wish we got a decent figuart alternative that isnt riddled with sticker shit
>>23757113>decent figuart alternative that isnt riddled with sticker shitDoes it have to be 1/12 scale?
https://files.catbox.moe/ws8bdp.mp4New ttfcZeztz Catastorm vs Master Gavv vs Geats IX
>>23757137I know it's ai, I ain't clicking that shit.
Did they already get rid of the Hapipare set before filming Guilty Parfait? I'm watching it for the first time and I noticed that they're on a green screen.
>>23757137>Zeztz using Boosterlmao
Little late but Guilty Parfait is now on the Reiwa Rider Drive(r). As well as Zeztz 21. Thanks to Whale and EternalSleeper for the subs! I hope you enjoy your rest Whale!
>>23757180sankyu reiwanon
>>23757031He's going to be an immigration lawyer, Goto-chan will be deporting people.
>>23757137That’s kinda scary how real it is. All you need to do is clean it up a bit.
>>23756847Too smart for Takahashi, so not possible
https://x.com/samuraihiroshi/status/2024430524014678181Today, I am grateful to have grown one year older.My heartfelt thanks.I will continue to take on new challenges.From here on as well,through compassion and sincerity,and through the spirit of Bushido,I wish to share these values with the world through my films.my deepest gratitude.Hiroshi Fujioka
>>23757207What a legend
>>23757207What a pretentious faggot
>>23757217Kys
>>23757207He's going to outlive me.
>>23756905NTA, but while it is normally great, the problem is that like so much of the plot, the distinction is only vaguely alluded to. It's harder to accept the importance of a title when it hasn't been given proper weight.
>>23756730Might as well go the unpredictable route and choose a producer that hasn't headed a toku for reiwa 10
>>23756847It'd be interesting if all this were true, and the reason Nox can't just say any of this is due to CODE programming. Kind of like the Freeze Roimude's brainwashing.
>>23757207https://x.com/MaitoF_official/status/2024480621943546234?s=20
>>23757224This. Like Drive, Build, and Gotchard make an emphasis on the title from the very beginning. I'm Zeztz, I don't think he's even been referred to as Kamen Rider and if they did it was very minor to where I don't even remember it. It's just Baku being Seven or Zeztz, I don't even think Nox called himself or was referred to as a Kamen Rider in show either.
Gochizos of the worst villian group in Reiwa
>>23757137>Gavv's final forms getting wrecked by the average mid-season upgradeSeems about right.
>>23757322Zero was willing to tell Baku about CODE's secrets and we got Kureha and Baku openly talking about how they got groomed into being Agents after Nox refused to elaborate on what was going on there. So unless it's literally just Nox who is victim to this kind of CODE programming, he's simply being willingly obtuse to maintain his mysterious aura.
Give me your predictions on DAWN and his ultimate motive
>>23757376Just having some harmless fun
The Dualmare Capsem is out.https://youtu.be/UQiPUQCE6_E?si=FgZSRreAcTsTiEct
>>23757376I assume he's a personal agent of The Lady that was never part of CODE
Dawn in the real world is a fujo girl with autoandrophilia that dreams about being a hot guy secret agent that hunts and fucks sexy Evil guys, but when she finds about CODE she is forced to turn straight and fuck women which is her biggest nightmare because fucking women would be pretty gay irl and she doesn't like gays because they go to hell before they die
>>23757413Nah, Takahashi can’t write sex.
>>23757047I really wish some of the stuff about what Agito/Gills are wasn't relegated to nebulously canon side materials. I think making it clear that Gills is essentially a nephilim would change a lot about his character and role in the story. We never do get a good explanation for WHY Ryo became Gills and it was only vaguely suggested that it was notably different from being an Agito. Then again, we also never really got a good explanation for why Kino's Agito form was so different from Shouichi's or basically anyone else.
>>23754226I think that's on purpose. Yanaka clearly wants Baku to be the only real "Kamen Rider at this point.
>>23757428>Another Agito was a character requested in the course of the story, and initially did not have a fixed name during production; in the scripts he was referred to as "Kino Agito" [ 271 ] [ 272 ]. In the show, he is referred to as "another Agito" and never as Another Agito. [ note 47 ] Kino Kaoru, the transformer of Another Agito, was originally intended to be a person who transforms into Agito, but the details were not thought up until just before his appearance, and his name was made to be suitable for both men and women. [ 275 ] [ note 48 ].>For the reasons mentioned above, a toy version was not considered, and Bandai was not involved in the design. [ 288 ] It was designed by Yutaka Izubuchi, who also designed the Unknown. [ 282 ] [ 258 ] Izubuchi designed it as his own version of Kamen Rider, but at that point, Kaoru Kino's character had not yet been solidified, and his relationship with the protagonist and the Unknown had not yet been solidified. [ 288 ] Therefore, Another Agito was designed as a cross between a Kamen Rider and a monster. [ 289 ] Specifically, the horns, the translucent parts in the center of the chest, and the nuances of the crest on the shoulders were borrowed from Agito. [ 258 ] However, it also has wings and teeth, which are common designs with the Unknown. [ 282 ] [ 258 ] The design is based on Skullman, the origin of Kamen Rider, and because it is a Rider, its body color is green and it also has grasshopper-like elements. [ 288 ] The scarf-like wings protruding from the shoulder blades on both shoulders indicate that it is an unevolved form, and are a nod to the scarf worn by Kamen Rider V3. [ 4 ] In the design drawings, Another Agito is depicted as slender, but the actual suit used in filming is somewhat more massive. [ 291 ] The design motif was Jungler from Kamen Rider Amazon, but Izubuchi said that in reality it ended up looking more like New Cyclone. [ 292 ]
>>23757477>Another Agito has undergone a different evolution from Kamen Rider Agito, having received the factor of the El Lord(s).[117]https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BB%AE%E9%9D%A2%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AE%E3%83%88>In Kamen Rider Agito, Another Agito is also a type of Agito, and its appearance varies depending on the person. Makoto Hikawa, a G3 wearer who viewed Agito with a pure heart, seemed to see Another Agito as the same as the regular Agito.https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/playback/18
>>23757467I think you're coping.
>>23757428Gills is explained in the origin of the world document written alongside the poster illustration (which was even shown partially in the series on screen in the letter with stylized letter that's read near the end of the show). According to that, Gill's lineage is the result of Lords having children with humans. It's why he has powers but not a proper seed of Agito (until he receives a seed from someone else later on and then gains the ability to transform into Gills Exceed).Although who knows if Inoue will stick with that and won't give another explanation in the upcoming movie. He often disregards his own set up, and I doubt he cares about that text even if Toei/Ishinomori Pro seem to treat it as canon (like the Zukan using the name Theos for the Overlord of Darkness).
>>23757506I don't think the set up with his own. Like the mythology in Kiva, I think it was created by someone else on the production team. A lot of Agito was probably Shirakura's ideas though. No idea about Kiva.
>>23757419That makes me curious, which Kamen rider usual writer would you say knows how to write sex?
>>23757467I guess Nox and Dawn being called Kamen Riders could be a Bandai mandate, I'm still unsure over how much power the producers have over Bandai? Because in the interviews with Takebe she always comes off as Bandai's bitch except from Ninninger where even though Bandai told her not make a show that overlapped with Yokai Watch she went with it anyway. But then in every show Omori did he seems really involved in the toy making process and Yanaka talked as if Bandai could allow him to make a gimmickless show like he wanted but he opted not to since he knew a show like that would sell horribly in today's market.
>>23757518That's what I meant. If he can disregard things he sets up in his own scripts, he likely doesn't care at all about the lore written by someone else.
>>23757533There is only one answer.
>>23757554Right from the interview I think he at first wanted a Kuuga/Den-O type belt. I think from that it's easy to infer he wanted a very simple stripped down show probably with one maybe two Riders at best and maybe all the other belt wearers not really being Riders at all within the show or even within the toyline.
Anyone else been having more lucid dreams since the start of Zeztz?
>>23757353>>23757354That's not the Deadmans
The gatling is comically large
Code number 6 more like Code number Sexxo
>>23757615It needs to be larger.
>>23757615And the toy is so stupidly dinky
ZZZ and NOX’s Rider Crests
>>23757606We’ve been over a million times why the Stomachs are worse, please keep up Gavv Defender-kun
>>23757699>>23757606Even Amatsu Gai is better than the Stomachs.
>>23757629Welcome to every Sentai canon toy.
>>23757735
>>23757699>>23757705Samefag
>metal cluster hopper>but better
Don't forget to go back here after page limit ;)>>23754117>>23754117>>23754117
>>23757774No
>>23757774No.
Supposedly they included Odagiri voice lines in the new CSMwho knows if they’re newly recorded or archive.
Zeztz TV最終形態(5月)Extreme Rise會比Catastrom更強壯,並且全身都是帶刺的設計,Capsem就類似鏡面球的感覺,新面板外型類似Mebius Brace,目前已知有兩個版本,其中一個才是正確:一個是兩個類似Mebius Brace形狀的一整個面板左右對稱放在BELT上面,另一個是一個類似Mebius Brace形狀的面板覆蓋在BELT上。 Extreme Rider!Zeztz Zeztz Zeztz!Rise!Nox TV最終形態(6月)Capsem裡面似乎有齒輪,轉動時會像上鏈一樣然後自動旋轉變身,待機音是BELT內置的另一款待機音。
>>23757823Zeztz & Nox Final Forms and Transformation Item Text SpoilersZeztz TV Final Form (May)Extreme Rise will be more muscular than Catastrom, with a full-body spiked design. The Capsem feels like a disco ball. The new panel's exterior resembles the Mebius Brace. Currently, there are two known versions, only one of which is correct: one version features two Mebius Brace-shaped panels placed symmetrically on the belt, while the other has a single Mebius Brace-shaped panel covering the belt.Extreme Rider!Zeztz Zeztz Zeztz!Rise!Nox TV Final Form (June)The Capsem appears to contain gears; when turned, it winds up like a spring and then automatically rotates to transform. The standby sound is a different standby sound built into the belt.
>>23757823Different anon, text info is from Vinz
>>23757823>>23757827This might be real then >>23755248 >>23755254
>>23757827>Extreme Rise will be more muscular than CatastromIt's gonna look goofy.
>>23757823>>23757827oh noit really is xross saboer
Lmao, the retard couldn't even spell his catchphrase right
>Extreme Rise will be more muscular than Catastrom>Catastrom happened because NOX killed Agents 5 and 6Calling it: NOX kills Minami, pushing Baku off the deep end that he comes out as Xtreme Zeztz.
i think a lot about the tamashii stand that had gaia memory slots and how they never did unique stands like this for any rider ever again. closest you can say is the ridewatch stands but those are kinda terrible for anything aside from the main 20 heisei.
>>23757848No more fun allowed.
>>23757849i hate those blacklights, they look terrible. I know Zero-One also has a thing with blacklights and I hate it there too, I think they only ever really used it once in the movie for some contrived reason. If you're going to make a guy light up in the dark then just make a statue with lights in it or something.
>>23757852I loved it. Like you said LED's would be better, but you can't fit that many LED'S on a toy and I don't buy statueshit. Also there's an issue powering the LED'S. UV reactive luminous paint/plastics all the way.
>extreme>related to spy???
>>23757857Apparently RAH Genesis does LED figures but those are also prohibitively expensive. My problem with UV is that I think it kinda ruins the color pallete for a lot of the suit. Also wow they really did not bother doing UV on the eyes for anything past rising huh. Pretty fucked up how Eden is the only other rider I can think of from that show that also does the UV thing. They really should've made UV a bigger part of that show if they were gonna shill for it. Zeztz also not making Nox any form of glowing is also dumb as hell. As for glowing overall I still think Faiz and Ghost are the kings of it. Wish they did some glow in the dark paint thing for Ghost's figuarts, the kind that doesn't glow too long, make it more ephemeral.
>>23757865RAH's LED's are only in the eyes and Ghost specifically only being in his whole face. His body glows under UV, the SHF glows under UV as well but you need a strong blacklight. The rising hopper's eyes are glowing cause I had an LED head, otherwise it would look like the others. Fun fact according to the tamashii blog, them.b3ing UV reactive was just a happy little accident and wasn't intentional. They should have had a glowing suit for Nox, but clearly they didn't want to spend any budget on that.
>>23757839What the fuck are you taking about
>>23757827>Extreme Rise will be more muscular than Catastrom, with a full-body spiked design.>The only way Baku can overcome the constant mind games is by becoming too swole to control.Brilliant.
I understand not getting the actor back for an in-person appearance but shouldn’t it be easy for them to voice a CSM? It’s just reading a script in the studio
>>23757902>Implying Joe Odagiri want to voice a toy
>>23757823>>23757827Kimela posted that it's stronger, not muscular than Catastrom.
>>23757827>Currently, there are two known versions, only one of which is correct: one version features two Mebius Brace-shaped panels placed symmetrically on the belt, while the other has a single Mebius Brace-shaped panel covering the belt.I don't get this, like there's two versions they made to throw off leakers or it's still the same toy but in different positions?
>>23757827>Final Form is two words again like all other initial forms>Only Catastrom/Orderem are one wordThis shit annoys me
>>23757963>5 RivalsDid we really need "5 Rivals" with two of them being Riders?
>>23757963>>23757968>>23757970>dawn is code number 2
>>23757968Breakam Dawn is the name of the sword
>>23757979Where does it say that
>>23757968>>23757970>Perish... within the darkness of CODE...>NOX! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!and then he gets his next upgrade.
>>23757963The flesh-like coloring makes Dawn look like he’s showing his bare arms
Pretty jarring seeing the comparison between Date and Kitaoka bodyhttps://x.com/oricon/status/2024708731901256134
>two back to back Rider shows with no female Rider in the main trioOh yeah, I'm thinking we're back.
Jobber confirmed
>>23758000Kamen Rider Official's page and TV-Asaho
I hope Nox's redemption arc goes the exact same as Gentoku's
>>23758121>Final form is gained through getting CTE
>>23757977At this point, it's clear if it weren't for the toyline forcing things we'd have just a single Rider here.
Move!>>23754117>>23754117>>23754117
>>23758158Kys
The actual new thread:>>23758199>>23758199>>23758199
