(With the obvious exception of the infamous “I’m so fucked up” scene from End of Evangelion) I don’t get why Shinji gets so much hate. His actions throughout the series are the flawed realistic actions of a 14 year old boy who is very autism-coded (seeing as he doesn’t understand Asuka’s advances and is alone much of the time)I think that fans of other series see monuments to masculinity like Kenshiro from HNK or bubbly Shonen never give up-type characters like Naruto and just assume that Shinji is supposed to be like that when really it’s Hideaki Anno’s brilliance that he’s not like that.Shinji is a commentary on lonely young men who use media (in his case music) to escape from reality.Imagine if you were put In Shinji’s position, an unloved child fighting to save the world would weigh heavy on anyone’s shoulders.
>>23756720Because he's gay.And you are an attention starved faggot for spoilering everything.
>>23756739Because if I was in shinji's shoes, let's just say third impact would've gone much differently.
>>23756739fpbp
>>23756745If I was in Shinji's shoes, let's just say I wouldn't have finished on my own hand
Take your bait topic from 2005 somewhere else.Evangelion isn't /m/.
>>23756720>why don't teenagers like the non-powerfantasy MC?Gee that's a real mystery right there. Better get Stephen Hawking on it.
>>23756720retarded behavior from retarded fandoms constituted entirely by idiots / kids who talk about thing they know or understand at a surface level instead to try to understand the art of the people behind it.Also you should be 18 to post here, search better places.
>an unloved child fighting to save the world would weigh heavy on anyone’s shouldersAlmost all teenage boys are getting in the suit and fucking shit up. Especially unloved ones who think Daddy is watching.
>>23756720People are cattle who literally lack empathy. They do not think about character's actions and mental state beyond their personal convenience and enjoyment.
>>23756720because hes a pussy. He's fucking corny, and lame, and midwits like you think that's some genius high level writing when in reality its just fucking boring.
>>23756784>Evangelion isn't /m/.(You) aren't/m/
>like eva>get told I should stop liking it and start liking the stuff it supposedly ripped off>start reading/watching the older stuff>It's not really the same>end up liking it anywayThanks for the recs, but I still like evangelion lol
>>23757240Yeah if anything it makes you appreciate eva even more.
>>23756975Do you have empathy for people you called "cattle"?
>>23756720>Shinji>autism-codedI generally see your points and I could see myself agreeing with some of them but please, go bash your head against a wall until you start bleeding, you fucking faggot.Shinji being a "realistic" depiction of an annoying whiny abandoned teenager doesn't really matter, he's still A portrayal of an annoying whiny teenager and nobody thinks this character type is likable because they're annoying and whiny.Realism is not a mark of good writing, making a realistic protrayal is not the work of a genius. You could make a realistic "karen" character, she wouldn't be any more likable by being realistic.Evangelion works because Shinji is cowardly? Yes, the story requires him to be like that. Is it successful despite nobody appreciating Shinji? Sure. Is Shinji being the character that he is annoying? Of course it is, he is meant to be annoying, but him being intentionally annoying is not a reason for anyone to like him.
>>23757285I don't think Shinji is annoying, you are exaggerating a bit. Frustrating? Maybe for the first couple episodes, but what's so annoying about him?
He bounces back relatively quickly, arguably better than some predecessors, he's really not that bad
He's a regular good kid, a bit shy, a bit awkward, but of nice heart.He got a little cocky in episode 16 but was promptly humbled by the Sea of Diract angel.Then he goes through numerous traumatic events (friend from school lost a leg, got tang'd, rei dies and a new cold rei appears, kaji dies, misato gets depressive because of it, and asuka goes into a coma), all of that devolves into him losing all hope, only to get it back upon meeting Kaworu, who then betrays him.Most of the stuff that makes Shinji as traumatized as he is on EoE is out of his controls.Most midwits online shout "get in the fucking robot!", ignoring the fact that all the fucked up stuff happens because of ulterior motifs. Sure, let's hate on Shinji because a bunch of cyborg jews want to Childhood's End humanity.
>>23757326Being forced to kill his friend from his POV is what did it for me, like, yeah buddy I no longer blame you for stressing out, you can leave if you want to
>>23756745This sums it up. Dipshits want to pretend that if their mother died in front of them and they were abandoned by their father they'd someone be a total badass at age 14 when told to pilot a giant robot against an eldritch beast.
>>23756739/thread.
It comes down to two things.Shinji doesn't have agency, he never takes command of a situation. Of course, this is realistic but it's not satisfying for an audience. There are characters who lack agency that can be likeable however, but it's because they have charisma.Shinji doesn't have charisma. No-one wants to be like him, because he has no positive traits. Amuro may have bitched out and ran away from his responsibilities as a Gundam pilot, but he has plenty of redeeming qualities outside of that. He showcases agency throughout Gundam and is a genuine person who wants what's best for humanity despite having a pretty rough upbringing and a shitty experience during 0079. The show examines Shinji in depth and he is just not a very likeable character with no heroic traits. Obviously, this is the point of the show and his character, and he's not a bad character. But audiences aren't going to like him. All of this is irrelevant because Evangelion is a worthless piece of shit of an anime, utterly derivative garbage with nothing worthwhile to offer the world aside from trite analysis of annoying characters. No thanks.
>>23759633i would be though, because I didn't need mommy and daddy at age 14 to not be a total wuss
>>23760032>utterly derivative garbage with nothing worthwhile to offer the worldNice parroting.Go read golden era sci-fi and stop watching anime.
>>23760142You are a moron, hence why you enjoy utter slop like Eva. Hang yourself.
>>23760157You're not some knowledgeable person, or someone with taste, just a poser parroting stuff you've read online.Stop rotting your brain arguing with nerds and go read a classic book. You'll see you 'derivative' your fake taste is.
>>23760032>Shinji doesn't have agency, he never takes command of a situation.Have you watched the show?Shinji starts taking action as soon as episode 3, where he disobeys Misato's order and kills the angel while the Eva's autonomous time was counting down.Episode 19 outright starts with him trying to destroy Nerv in protest against Gendou almost killing Touji.Sometimes I get the feeling that when certain people think of Shinji, they only think of EoE Shinji fapping to Asuka, or suicidal Shinji after that, and never the Shinji of the actual TV series.
>>23760348Something like VOTOMS being influenced by Dune is more subtle than EoE literally being a worse version of Be Invoked. You can bring up Childhood's End all you like but it's not that similar to Be Invoked. You like Eva so don't tell anyone about not being knowledgeable or not having taste, you have no taste and you're a retard. Slit your throat.>>23760357Minor spergouts aren't actual agency, the plot happens around Shinji and he reacts. The only time he truly takes charge of a situation is in 4.0, which is when he's at his most likeable.
>>23756720>show about getting into the robot>"Why do people have a problem with someone who doesn't want to get in the robot?"
>>23756720His dad has extremely shit genes and passed on all the worst qualities to the son. Also boy grew up to be permanently scarred and lacks a spine, lacks confidence and so on Shinji is exceedingly weak and people are repulsed by this portrayal. Its not strange but that's why this is still a thing and why this thread still has posters. The only guy that can save him is the Angel Jesus Christ himself
>>23760357EoE Shinji is the lasting impression of the character but he's far more than that movie.
>>23760357It's because they don't understand what they watched, because they don't understand psychology, and think that they watched something super deep.They just latch onto the ending of the show, because it's serialized, and not episodic. So they go "oh, here's where the plot finally happens" and just think that's what the show is about. Then they don't understand the ending, and replace it with the EOE movie ending instead.
>>23756720>His actions throughout the series are the flawed realistic actions of a 14 year old boyThis is why.
>>23756720He gets hate because everyone thinks they're hard until hard stuff happens.The kind of person who hates shinji is the kind of person who talks endlessly about how they'll knock out anyone who disagrees with them. And then someone actually does and they suddenly turn polite and start buttering the guy up instead of doing what they said they would. And then the moment that dude leaves the room they start talking about how close they were to punching him.These people lack any self-awareness whatsoever and fail to realize that you can't predict how you'll react in a stressful situation until you've actually been in one. They fail to realize that what you think you'll do and how you actually react when full of adrenaline and hopped up on fight or flight are often very different things.These are also the same kind of people who'll look at a character like Marty Mcfly and ask 'why does he chimp out when the guy calls him chicken instead of just doing what I think he should have done'? As if characters in a narrative are omnipotent and aware of their existing within a narrative, rather than representations of flawed people who don't always make the optimal decision.
>>23757285>I don't like the characters or find them relatable or compelling.Then why the fuck are you watching a show about them, you double nigger?Go watch normieslop like the office instead, faggot.
>>23756739case closed
>>23760365>You can bring up Childhood's End all you like but it's not that similar to Be InvokedIt actually is. But you haven't read it.>waaah waaah I hate eva!Congratulations. You are still a poser.
>>23757271not at all, send them to gulags.
>>23761276End your life you subhuman Evanigger
>>23761506Poser, your only hobby is raging about popular things to feel validated. You aren't close to being a mecha or sci-fi enthusiast.
>u r le poser You have no argument and you have no taste. Die.
I have an argument, but you won't read books, just parrot that popular thing bad.
I've read Childhood's End so I know it doesn't have that much in common with Be Invoked or EoE and it's used by dishonest retards like yourself to excuse Anno's borderline plagiarism. Unlike you I actually like sci-fi and robot shit so I don't like seeing worthless slop like Eva, which is a poor man's Raideen until it rips off Ideon in the ending. Obviously every creative is inspired by things they've watched/read/etc., but none are so blatant about how much they copy shit except for the Gainax crew and their subsidiaries like Trigger. But at least something like Gurren Lagann is just fun and not pretentious like Eva.
>people are still pushing the "EoE ripped off Be Invoked" lie in the big 26Sad!
>people with functioning brains notice the similarities between the two movies yet somehow that's a "lie" Kill yourself!
>>23756720>I don’t get why Shinji gets so much hate.Manchildren can't cope with a teen being a teen
>>23756720>I think that fans of other series see monuments to masculinity like Kenshiro from HNKZoomers don't watch or read HnK>>23756720>Shinji is a commentaryNo. Don't be retarded. It's a character and that's it. Anyone can relax and you could go full retard in pathologizing me-time as escalism.
>>23760932So basically internet tough guy spammers like J, that fits.
>pulls the 'dishonest' card>but has no problem forcing the hyperbole of "eva is an ideon ripoff" lieYou're not a fan of sci-fi and you don't actually have an special or curated taste. You're just an online rando seether on a popular series thread.
>>23756720Because he doesn't have sex with Misato. Saigado doujins are the best outcome for Shinji because he has sex with Misato.
>>23756720>I don’t get why Shinji gets so much hate.Because evafags are retarded>>23756720>Shinji is a commentary on lonely young men who use media (in his case music) to escape from reality.He's actually just a diet uso and amuro kitbash. Like many things in eva such as the literal finale, eva is a diet gundam victory clone that needs to steal from other better works and coast off its fans blind ignorance.
At this point I don't know if the "Eva is a total rippoff of [insert different work]" posts are ironic or not anymore. It has become a meme.Fuck it, Anno is a hack! Eva is a copy of uhhhh Iron Man 28!
>anno is on record saying ideon is one of his favourite anime ever and there are several obvious similarities between the two series and the movies>but it had no influence on eva guys, because one fuckwit on 4chan got upset at someone calling eva an ideon ripoffYou are not a fan of sci-fi, you're a fan of regurgitated slop from a talentless unoriginal loser.
>>23762632I mean, having influences and being a complete rip-off are different things. I wouldn't recommend Ideon if someone just wants something else like Eva. Although you can see some similarities as the show goes on, the overall style and story is just completely different.Heck, Anno himself has also said Eva's basic set up is basically Mazinger Z (kids piloting to protect a lab, even Eva-01 first shot recreates Mazinger's first shots), and yet it's clearly its own thing too, due to Anno's own style and mixes of other influences.
If you like or dislike a character is entirely based on your own opinion. The bigger picture of why people generally dislike a character has already been pointed out. Shinji lacks agency, whines way too much, and can not commit to anything. The plot setting obviously has a lot to do with it, but when normal viewers saw the show, they think about having a friend like that or working with a person like that, and not surprisingly, they don't like a person with Shinji's characteristics.Ofc, there are autistic fucks who would like Shinji to be just like them, and no, Shinji is not autistic. his behavior is due to his innate weak cowardly personality, childhood trauma in abandonment, and lack of guiding character when growing up and obviously the plot.If you don't understand generalized trend with obvious and good explanation available everywhere at different depth (from personal all the way to macro economic/social context of when EVA is created), then maybe you are just stupid and not just autistic.
